big pig peaches: justanotherfarkinfarker: big pig peaches: I can't wait for liberal season.Bloomcounty?Of course. Can't get images to work on mobile, but I'm sure some kind soul will post it.
FarkinHostile: You know what? I have zero sympathy for him.
GeeksAreMyPeeps: I don't think Peta thought this through. This:The billboard offers no explanation for the imagery, but a post on a PETA blog references a hunter who earlier this month nearly died after he accidentally punctured his neck on the antler of an elk he had just killed in Uintah Countysounds like a careless person getting injured. This:[img850.imageshack.us image 636x186]seems like a frightening beast that WILL KILL US ALL. LORD GOD WHERE ARE THE HUNTERS THAT WILL SAVE US?!?
blatz514: big pig peaches: justanotherfarkinfarker: big pig peaches: I can't wait for liberal season.Bloomcounty?Of course. Can't get images to work on mobile, but I'm sure some kind soul will post it.This one?[sensibleparty.org image 600x845]
scubamage: UberDave: SpectroBoy:I agree. This sign will not change the mind of a SINGLE serious hunter. But it might make some people afraid of those demon elk.Yep. It will probably be most effective in letting hunters know that they should approach their kill with caution. And one should. Let it lie for for a bit first. Second, slow down when approaching and poke it in the eye with something (outstretched arm with gun (un-chambered) gun or a stick). And that's after watching it up close for a moment.I'm weird, and probably was taught wrong. We don't "trophy" hunt, so usually if it's down we cut the throat on the spot. That way even if it does spring up, it isn't going far. If it is still alive, the sudden blood pressure drop will knock it out and put it out of misery. It's a mess, but i'd rather do it that way.
FarkinHostile: HeadLever:Why? Sounds to be an unfortunate situation. Or are you just against bear hunting?It was FAR more unfortunate for the Grizzly, don't you think? It certainly had a right to defend itself from being killed, and it did. It still died, but it got it's licks in. I'd fist bump it if I could.To answer your question, yes, I am against trophy hunting of all kinds. I find it....cowardly. Disrespectful. I have lots of friends who hunt, mostly game, and I have no problem with that and I appreciate the meat and the fact that they use almost all of the animal. But I have gotten in very spirited discussions with a friend who shot a bear from 100 yards away with a high powered weapon, and thought they were some bad mother farker because of it. They are NOT. All the talk about "But I ate the meat!" is all bullshiat, it was all about the skin, head, and "bragging" rights. Bear meat sucks. [img.photobucket.com image 500x605]You want to be a real bad ass trophy hunter? Take that grizzly on with hand weapons and even armor. Spears, swords, plate armor, whatever. Do that and win, and I'll have respect. Till then I see you as little more than a bloodthirsty savage.
gaslight: In case you're wondering, old Mercedes 530s and Volvo station wagons are good vehicles for this sort of thing.
FarkinHostile: It was FAR more unfortunate for the Grizzly, don't you think?
FarkinHostile: I'd fist bump it if I could.
Fubini: Those people are insane. You know what else is cruel to animals? Chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation.
barefoot in the head: Cruelty implies intent.
barefoot in the head: Fubini: Those people are insane. You know what else is cruel to animals? Chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation.No. Cruelty implies intent. Without a sentient agent, there can be no intent and no cruelty. This "cruelty" line of argument is just a way to justify the real cruelty of active sport murder, by comparison to non-intervention in natural outcomes.If you think most hunters are out there because they are dependent upon the dead animals for food, you are wrong.If you think sitting back and watching chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation is cruelty, you make an opportunistic connection that does not exist.This misdirection, be it intentional or well-meaning, doesn't confound any insighful person.
HeadLever: FarkinHostile: I'd fist bump it if I could.You ability to empathasize to another species more than your fellow humans just shows why many in the enviro/animal rights folks have lost much of the support and good will of society. Especially when based upoon ill-informed and biased opinions.
FormlessOne: PETA noticed that the Westboro Baptist Church is getting more attention, so PETA has adopted their tactics. Very nice.PETA, continuing to demonstrate their irrelevance. There are, luckily, other organizations that believe just as strongly in animal rights, but manage to support animal rights without killing animals, squandering donated resources, and generally causing more harm than good in the process. If you truly believe in animal rights, don't donate to PETA - they're not there for the humane treatment of animals, as with other animal rights groups. The humane treatment of animals just a byproduct of their real agenda, in which humans live as animals and animals live as humans. And, yes, they (and the more radical groups, like ELF and ALF, funded by PETA) are willing to support and use violent means to further that agenda.
FarkinHostile: You are going to compare bear to elk as to meat quality with a straight face?
SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: SpectroBoy: rga184: This. On top of that, I would rather an animal live free and then die in the wild on a clean kill than spend it's life crowded in a barn and end it's life with a truck ride to a slaughter house smelling death and sensing fear as they approach the kill area. Slaughter house kills are incredibly effective, but I would imagine any animal would be terrorized by the noise and smell of death as they approached said area.Same here. If I am to be eaten let me live wild, free, and ignorant of my impending doom until the last second. Not in a concentration camp for animals.Same with going to the dentist. Can't I just pay a guy to tranq. dart me so I can just wake up with my dental work all finished?Yes. It is growing very popular. It is called Sedation Dentistry.No just that. I mean THEY pick the day and you just get shot with a tranq dart on the way to work some random day. It removes the stress of knowing "today is the day", driving there, waiting in the waiting room, etc.Marlin Perkins Style.
FarkinHostile: and if there is nothing irrational about my opinion.
FarkinHostile: HeadLever:Uhh, dude. A bear is game. You can eat it. You can make a rug of its skin. You can sell the gall bladder to asian folks, you can render the fat for all sorts of uses. Bear is no different than elk in many respects.Bullshiat. And you know it. You are going to compare bear to elk as to meat quality with a straight face? BTW, bringing up the travesty of selling bear gall bladders to a bunch of superstitious barbarians doesn't help justify trophy hunting. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only part that really matters to 99% of bear hunters is the part I bolded. They eat the meat because it's there and you might as well. They don't do it for the meat, if they wanted meat they would hunt deer. It's about machismo.Bear meat sucks.That is obviously you opinion and not held by everyone. The fact that you say you have friends that hunt and then go on to disparage thier choices on what to hunt because of some opinion that you don't like the meat is pretty dumb.Oh, stop it. You know bear meat isn't even close to as good as prey game, it's just a thinly veiled excuse for trophy hunters. I had plenty of bear; bear chilli, bear stew, bear sausage, ect. Why is bear almost always in a stew or other heavily seasoned dish? Oh, that's right, because it kind of sucks on it's own. Edible? Sure. Really yummy? No. No one is grilling plain bear steaks like they do elk or venison.Want to see the menu from the last game dinner I cooked at? Don't tell me I don't know about bear and other game. I've had and prepared everything from elk to moose to boar to bear.I'll agree that it does not make you any tougher than killing any other animial, but to base you ill-informed opinion on -what appears to be - you preconcieved notion of a 'trophy hunter' is not very rational.You need to learn what "ill-informed", "preconceived" and "rational" mean. Little hint: I have an informed opinion, it was conceived after years of discussion with hunters of all kinds and thinking ...
PunGent: Not really deserving of any empathy whatsoever.
Lucky LaRue: My uncle nearly died at the hands hoofs of a deer he shot. He had his knife out and was kneeling over the deer to field-dress it, when it kicked him in the hand. The kick turned the knife in to his other arm, nicking the artery. He damn near bled to death before getting out of the woods.To this day, I kill as many deer as I can to exact my family's revenge.
FarkinHostile: but "ill informed" is flat out wrong
HeadLever: FarkinHostile: and if there is nothing irrational about my opinion.It seems to boils down to StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg. I get it that you don't like bear meat so all bear hunting is now bad and those that hunt them get no empathy from you when they are killed or injured by said bear. Pretty irrational if you ask me.
FarkinHostile: But if "you" are one of those types that do it to prove how much of a man you are, or for the main reason of a trophy, my opinion is "you" are a coward, unless you do so in the way I described.
HeadLever: PunGent: Not really deserving of any empathy whatsoever.Do you really think that a unidentified hunter that has done nothing illegal and whose only transgression is that he has the audacity to hunt a wild animal should be afforded no empathy? I can see this point applying to a criminal. I believe that those that equate a generalized hunter with these folks that deserve no empathy are really indicative of what is wrong with the breakdown of society.
Callous: Yes, you are well informed by your own biases. You don't like bear meat, so not one must like bear meat. So everyone that hunts bears is just looking for a bear rug and to beat on their chest about how tough they are.
HeadLever: You did not know that bear was a game animal. That is not biased, but ill-informed. In your case you appear to be ill-informed and biased. That is typically much worse than just being one or the other.
PunGent: Responsible hunting of non-endangered animals is OK in my book.
walkerhound: gaslight: In case you're wondering, old Mercedes 530s and Volvo station wagons are good vehicles for this sort of thing.Let me guess...Ithaca?[farm5.staticflickr.com image 567x350]
HeadLever: That qualification didn't seem to stop you from projecting this 'cowardness' on to the guy in Alaska. You seem to be cheering for the bear even though you have no idea if he was a meat hunter or a hunter just looking for a head. Your intellectual dishonesty is coming back to bit you, isn't it?
FarkinHostile: You really think that scored any points?
FarkinHostile: NO ONE from Rhode Island is going to ALASKA to put food on the table, and especially not grizzly bear meat. I'd give a native Alaskan more of the benefit of the doubt, but a well-to-do guy from the other side of the country? Forget it. He was there for a head and skin to be stuffed I'd put money on it he kept little of the meat.
HeadLever: It makes you look childish and this kind of attitude exemplfies why PeTA is held in so much distain.
FarkinHostile: Only an idiot would compare my opinion on a nuanced aspect of hunting to PETAs platform.
HeadLever: Lol, is that your bias projector working overtime again. So without any information supporting the notion, you find that:1) he is not putting food on the table2) he is well-to-do
HeadLever: So you would't mind seeing your 'friends' mauled, gored or killed by the animials they shot? You may want to quit digging at some point.
HeadLever: Oh, you don't think that PETA considers their position to be a nuanced aspect of hunting? You have just admitted that you would cheer on any animal that was shot. To me, you sound like a card-carrying member of said organization.
SuddenlySamhain: But if you dont know the day how will you be sure that your bowels and bladder are empty when 'it' happens? And dont say wear a diaper!Im not shopping for no diapers! Maybe if I can have them delivered to my door......with anchovies....and a couple packs of smokes
FarkinHostile: W, that is called an "Appeal to Emotion" and is a basic logical fallacy. Work on that.
FarkinHostile: HeadLever: Oh, you don't think that PETA considers their position to be a nuanced aspect of hunting? You have just admitted that you would cheer on any animal that was shot. To me, you sound like a card-carrying member of said organization.Well, that is because you are an idiot.
FarkinHostile: I doubt I convinced anyone who hunts bear not to just because of my worthless opinion.
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