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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Remember the hunter stabbed by the elk he shot? PETA made a billboard for him   (sltrib.com) divider line 163
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2013-09-17 12:17:51 PM
udhq


Hey PETA, pick your battles. Deer and elk herds need to be thinned out.

How about going after the real assholes, the people who want to hunt wolves, bears, and exotic big game. Fark them all.


Don't try to speak rationally to people who wanted to rename Tuna to "sea kittens".
 
2013-09-17 12:18:13 PM

big pig peaches: justanotherfarkinfarker: big pig peaches: I can't wait for liberal season.

Bloomcounty?

Of course. Can't get images to work on mobile, but I'm sure some kind soul will post it.


This one?

sensibleparty.org
 
2013-09-17 12:18:33 PM

FarkinHostile: You know what? I have zero sympathy for him.


Why? Sounds to be an unfortunate situation.  Or are you just against bear hunting?
 
2013-09-17 12:22:26 PM

GeeksAreMyPeeps: I don't think Peta thought this through. This:

The billboard offers no explanation for the imagery, but a post on a PETA blog references a hunter who earlier this month nearly died after he accidentally punctured his neck on the antler of an elk he had just killed in Uintah County

sounds like a careless person getting injured. This:

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seems like a frightening beast that WILL KILL US ALL. LORD GOD WHERE ARE THE HUNTERS THAT WILL SAVE US?!?


I read that in his voice:

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You must saaaaaave us!
 
2013-09-17 12:22:40 PM

blatz514: big pig peaches: justanotherfarkinfarker: big pig peaches: I can't wait for liberal season.

Bloomcounty?

Of course. Can't get images to work on mobile, but I'm sure some kind soul will post it.

This one?

[sensibleparty.org image 600x845]


This was always one of my favorites  :)
 
2013-09-17 12:30:49 PM
www.biography.com
Not impressed.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:35 PM
A friend lives in upstate New York and notes that certain types of vehicle are preferred by the locals. Why? Because of the way the bumpers dip when braking. You see, wild turkeys cross the highways there and if you hit them just right, you can kill them without ending up with too much smashed muscle and bone.

Even better, there is no hunting licence required. Think of it as Mad Max but without the fixation on petroleum.

In case you're wondering, old Mercedes 530s and Volvo station wagons are good vehicles for this sort of thing.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:09 PM
HeadLever:
Why? Sounds to be an unfortunate situation.  Or are you just against bear hunting?

It was FAR more unfortunate for the Grizzly, don't you think? It certainly had a right to defend itself from being killed, and it did. It still died, but it got it's licks in. I'd fist bump it if I could.

To answer your question, yes, I am against trophy hunting of all kinds. I find it....cowardly. Disrespectful. I have lots of friends who hunt, mostly game, and I have no problem with that and I appreciate the meat and the fact that they use almost all of the animal. But I have gotten in very spirited discussions with a friend who shot a bear from 100 yards away with a high powered weapon, and thought they were some bad mother farker because of it. They are NOT. All the talk about "But I ate the meat!" is all bullshiat, it was all about the skin, head, and "bragging" rights. Bear meat sucks.
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You want to be a real bad ass trophy hunter? Take that grizzly on with hand weapons and even armor. Spears, swords, plate armor, whatever. Do that and win, and I'll have respect. Till then I see you as little more than a bloodthirsty savage.
 
2013-09-17 12:39:57 PM

scubamage: UberDave: SpectroBoy:

I agree. This sign will not change the mind of a SINGLE serious hunter. But it might make some people afraid of those demon elk.

Yep.  It will probably be most effective in letting hunters know that they should approach their kill with caution.  And one should.  Let it lie for for a bit first.  Second, slow down when approaching and poke it in the eye with something (outstretched arm with gun (un-chambered) gun or a stick).  And that's after watching it up close for a moment.

I'm weird, and probably was taught wrong. We don't "trophy" hunt, so usually if it's down we cut the throat on the spot. That way even if it does spring up, it isn't going far. If it is still alive, the sudden blood pressure drop will knock it out and put it out of misery. It's a mess, but i'd rather do it that way.


If it's still alive it may kick up when you go for the throat.

If it's still alive at all, it will blink when you poke it in the eye. It's just an additional safety measure.
 
2013-09-17 12:41:22 PM

FarkinHostile: HeadLever:
Why? Sounds to be an unfortunate situation.  Or are you just against bear hunting?

It was FAR more unfortunate for the Grizzly, don't you think? It certainly had a right to defend itself from being killed, and it did. It still died, but it got it's licks in. I'd fist bump it if I could.

To answer your question, yes, I am against trophy hunting of all kinds. I find it....cowardly. Disrespectful. I have lots of friends who hunt, mostly game, and I have no problem with that and I appreciate the meat and the fact that they use almost all of the animal. But I have gotten in very spirited discussions with a friend who shot a bear from 100 yards away with a high powered weapon, and thought they were some bad mother farker because of it. They are NOT. All the talk about "But I ate the meat!" is all bullshiat, it was all about the skin, head, and "bragging" rights. Bear meat sucks.
 [img.photobucket.com image 500x605]


You want to be a real bad ass trophy hunter? Take that grizzly on with hand weapons and even armor. Spears, swords, plate armor, whatever. Do that and win, and I'll have respect. Till then I see you as little more than a bloodthirsty savage.


You'll probably have to tranq the grizzly to put hand weapons and armor on it first. At that point why not just kill it?
 
2013-09-17 12:51:27 PM

gaslight: In case you're wondering, old Mercedes 530s and Volvo station wagons are good vehicles for this sort of thing.


Let me guess...Ithaca?

farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-17 12:58:03 PM
I don't get this billboard. Where's the whipped/stabbed/dead naked woman? Has PETA expanded beyond their usual snuff porn fixation to obsess about bestiality as well? Such strange, strange people.

/"This hot, musky stud wants to stab you with his huge, hard horn. And yes, we said horn, not antlers. How does that make you feel? Us, it makes us feel like our psych meds aren't even making a dent in our inner carnival freakshow of weird fetish turn-ons."
 
2013-09-17 01:04:34 PM

FarkinHostile: It was FAR more unfortunate for the Grizzly, don't you think?


Yep, too bad the shot was a bit off the mark and it was not a quick kill.


 I have lots of friends who hunt, mostly game, and I have no problem with that and I appreciate the meat and the fact that they use almost all of the animal.

Uhh, dude.  A bear is game.  You can eat it.  You can make a rug of its skin.  You can sell the gall bladder to asian folks, you can render the fat for all sorts of uses.  Bear is no different than elk in many respects.

Bear meat sucks.

That is obviously you opinion and not held by everyone.  The fact that you say you have friends that hunt and then go on to disparage thier choices on what to hunt because of some opinion that you don't like the meat is pretty dumb.

I'll agree that it does not make you any tougher than killing any other animial, but to base you ill-informed opinion on -what appears to be - you preconcieved notion of a 'trophy hunter' is not very rational.
 
2013-09-17 01:09:05 PM

FarkinHostile: I'd fist bump it if I could.


You ability to empathasize to another species more than your fellow humans just shows why many in the enviro/animal rights folks have lost much of the support and good will of society.  Especially when based upoon ill-informed and biased opinions.
 
2013-09-17 01:13:03 PM

Fubini: Those people are insane. You know what else is cruel to animals? Chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation.


No. Cruelty implies intent. Without a sentient agent, there can be no intent and no cruelty. This "cruelty" line of argument is just a way to justify the real cruelty of active sport murder, by comparison to non-intervention in natural outcomes.

If you think most hunters are out there because they are dependent upon the dead animals for food, you are wrong.

If you think sitting back and watching chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation is cruelty, you make an opportunistic connection that does not exist.

This misdirection, be it intentional or well-meaning, doesn't confound any insighful person.
 
2013-09-17 01:14:56 PM
 
2013-09-17 01:19:20 PM
PETA noticed that the Westboro Baptist Church is getting more attention, so PETA has adopted their tactics. Very nice.

PETA, continuing to demonstrate their irrelevance. There are, luckily, other organizations that believe just as strongly in animal rights, but manage to support animal rights without killing animals, squandering donated resources, and generally causing more harm than good in the process. If you truly believe in animal rights, don't donate to PETA - they're not there for the humane treatment of animals, as with other animal rights groups. The humane treatment of animals just a byproduct of their real agenda, in which humans live as animals and animals live as humans. And, yes, they (and the more radical groups, like ELF and ALF, funded by PETA) are willing to support and use violent means to further that agenda.

Fark PETA.
 
2013-09-17 01:22:05 PM

barefoot in the head: Cruelty implies intent.


Since this game is managed, the populations are basically set as goals.  Game managers intend to keep the population at a certain levels.  If the populations become to high or to low, it is most often due to bad management.

Nature does not live in a vacuume.
 
2013-09-17 01:23:56 PM

barefoot in the head: Fubini: Those people are insane. You know what else is cruel to animals? Chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation.

No. Cruelty implies intent. Without a sentient agent, there can be no intent and no cruelty. This "cruelty" line of argument is just a way to justify the real cruelty of active sport murder, by comparison to non-intervention in natural outcomes.

If you think most hunters are out there because they are dependent upon the dead animals for food, you are wrong.

If you think sitting back and watching chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation is cruelty, you make an opportunistic connection that does not exist.

This misdirection, be it intentional or well-meaning, doesn't confound any insighful person.


I don't really care why hunters are out there. Whether they're poor and need it for food, want to do it for fun as a hobby or sport, or want a trophy... it doesn't really matter. Cruelty does imply intent -- in this case I think the word would be 'negligent'. I live in Ohio, and I personally feel we have the responsibility to hunt deer. And by 'we', I mean the humans who choose to hunt.

We've eliminated all of their natural predators to the point where their populations go unchecked and invite a variety of direct and indirect problems. More deer mean higher odds of a car hitting one and potentially killing the driver and their passengers, more deer mean more chances of lyme disease. More deer mean more of a problem of rural and suburban gardens and farms being encroached by hungry deer.

We are nature's top predator, and I do feel it lies on us to fix the problem we created to begin with -- by continuing to hunt deer where there are no more wolves and bears to do it for us. That is the way nature works in the wild, after all. If a native predator is eliminated entirely, another predator picks up the slack. That's why we have a bunch of obese and lazy tazmanian devils in Australia -- we killed all of the tasmanian tigers that they competed with. That's also why they don't create tornados and create tazmanian devil-sized holes in trees anymore.

And negligence, in my opinion, is just as bad as cruelty. The most evil people in the world are those who sit by and do nothing while bad things happen.
 
2013-09-17 01:29:44 PM
HeadLever:

Uhh, dude.  A bear is game.  You can eat it.  You can make a rug of its skin.  You can sell the gall bladder to asian folks, you can render the fat for all sorts of uses.  Bear is no different than elk in many respects.


Bullshiat. And you know it. You are going to compare bear to elk as to meat quality with a straight face?  BTW, bringing up the travesty of selling bear gall bladders to a bunch of superstitious barbarians doesn't help justify trophy hunting. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only part that really matters to 99% of bear hunters is the part I bolded. They eat the meat because it's there and you might as well. They don't do it for the meat, if they wanted meat they would hunt deer. It's about machismo.

Bear meat sucks.

That is obviously you opinion and not held by everyone.  The fact that you say you have friends that hunt and then go on to disparage thier choices on what to hunt because of some opinion that you don't like the meat is pretty dumb.


Oh, stop it. You know bear meat isn't even close to as good as prey game, it's just a thinly veiled excuse for trophy hunters. I had plenty of bear; bear chilli, bear stew, bear sausage, ect. Why is bear almost always in a stew or other heavily seasoned dish? Oh, that's right, because it kind of sucks on it's own. Edible? Sure. Really yummy? No. No one is grilling plain bear steaks like they do elk or venison.

Want to see the menu from the last game dinner I cooked at?  Don't tell me I don't know about bear and other game. I've had and prepared everything from elk to moose to boar to bear.


I'll agree that it does not make you any tougher than killing any other animial, but to base you ill-informed opinion on -what appears to be - you preconcieved notion of a 'trophy hunter' is not very rational.

You need to learn what "ill-informed", "preconceived" and "rational" mean. Little hint: I have an informed opinion, it was conceived after years of discussion with hunters of all kinds and thinking about the topic, and if there is nothing irrational about my opinion. I won't even get into your spelling.
 
2013-09-17 01:29:55 PM

HeadLever: FarkinHostile: I'd fist bump it if I could.

You ability to empathasize to another species more than your fellow humans just shows why many in the enviro/animal rights folks have lost much of the support and good will of society.  Especially when based upoon ill-informed and biased opinions.


Hate to break it to you, but some of our fellow humans?  Not really deserving of any empathy whatsoever.

Animals just do what they do.
 
2013-09-17 01:36:03 PM

barefoot in the head: Fubini: Those people are insane. You know what else is cruel to animals? Chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation.

No. Cruelty implies intent. Without a sentient agent, there can be no intent and no cruelty. This "cruelty" line of argument is just a way to justify the real cruelty of active sport murder, by comparison to non-intervention in natural outcomes.

If you think most hunters are out there because they are dependent upon the dead animals for food, you are wrong.

If you think sitting back and watching chronic wasting disease and a slow death due to starvation is cruelty, you make an opportunistic connection that does not exist.

This misdirection, be it intentional or well-meaning, doesn't confound any insighful person.


It's not misdirection.  We took their habitat and left them with insufficient land to feed large herds.  Therefore we must manage the size of the herds so that they remain at levels that the land that they have left can support.  If we just left them alone as you suggest they would breed at levels that the remaining land could not support.  The population would balloon and there would be a mass die off due to starvation.  Either that or bulldoze all the houses(including yours), plant trees on the land, and give it back to the deer/elk/bears/etc.
 
2013-09-17 01:37:59 PM

FormlessOne: PETA noticed that the Westboro Baptist Church is getting more attention, so PETA has adopted their tactics. Very nice.

PETA, continuing to demonstrate their irrelevance. There are, luckily, other organizations that believe just as strongly in animal rights, but manage to support animal rights without killing animals, squandering donated resources, and generally causing more harm than good in the process. If you truly believe in animal rights, don't donate to PETA - they're not there for the humane treatment of animals, as with other animal rights groups. The humane treatment of animals just a byproduct of their real agenda, in which humans live as animals and animals live as humans. And, yes, they (and the more radical groups, like ELF and ALF, funded by PETA) are willing to support and use violent means to further that agenda.


Heh...I'll bite.   Got any evidence that PETA wants "animals to live like humans"?
 
2013-09-17 01:41:53 PM

FarkinHostile: You are going to compare bear to elk as to meat quality with a straight face?


Since it is a matter of taste, I am not going to say which one is better.  In my opinion elk is better, but I do love bear as well.

BTW, bringing up the travesty of selling bear gall bladders to a bunch of superstitious barbarians doesn't help justify trophy hunting.

Not by itself, but the fact remains that there is more to bear hunting than just the trophy aspect that you try to sell.  And gall bladders have been shown to be effective in treating some ailments, even though you try to deflect the issue to 'superstition'.

They don't do it for the meat, if they wanted meat they would hunt deer.

Why not both?  these are not mutually exclusive tags.  All bear hunters I know also hunt deer.

You know bear meat isn't even close to as good as prey game, it's just a thinly veiled excuse for trophy hunters.

You sound like a bad cook.

I have an informed opinion,

Like bear not being a game species? Lol, Ok.  If you say so.  I am not convinced in the slightest.
 
2013-09-17 01:42:51 PM

SpectroBoy: WTFDYW: SpectroBoy: rga184: This. On top of that, I would rather an animal live free and then die in the wild on a clean kill than spend it's life crowded in a barn and end it's life with a truck ride to a slaughter house smelling death and sensing fear as they approach the kill area. Slaughter house kills are incredibly effective, but I would imagine any animal would be terrorized by the noise and smell of death as they approached said area.

Same here. If I am to be eaten let me live wild, free, and ignorant of my impending doom until the last second. Not in a concentration camp for animals.

Same with going to the dentist. Can't I just pay a guy to tranq. dart me so I can just wake up with my dental work all finished?

Yes. It is growing very popular. It is called Sedation Dentistry.

No just that. I mean THEY pick the day and you just get shot with a tranq dart on the way to work some random day. It removes the stress of knowing "today is the day", driving there, waiting in the waiting room, etc.

Marlin Perkins Style.


But if you dont know the day how will you be sure that your bowels and bladder are empty when 'it' happens? And dont say wear a diaper!Im not shopping for no diapers! Maybe if  I can have them delivered to my door......with anchovies....and a couple packs of smokes
 
2013-09-17 01:47:17 PM

FarkinHostile: and if there is nothing irrational about my opinion.


It seems to boils down to StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg.  I get it that you don't like bear meat so all bear hunting is now bad and those that hunt them get no empathy from you when they are killed or injured by said bear.  Pretty irrational if you ask me.
 
2013-09-17 01:49:43 PM

HeadLever: FarkinHostile: I'd fist bump it if I could.

You ability to empathasize to another species more than your fellow humans just shows why many in the enviro/animal rights folks have lost much of the support and good will of society.  Especially when based upoon ill-informed and biased opinions.


First off, who said more? I'd empathize with a human who was minding their own business, and was fatally shot by someone for no good reason, and was able to go down fighting. If empathizing with a blameless being being attacked and defending itself in a fight to the death means I lose the support and good will of society then fu(k that society.

Again with words you clearly don't understand. "Biased" is correct, but "ill informed" is flat out wrong. And please, for the love of god, spell check.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:13 PM

FarkinHostile: HeadLever:

Uhh, dude.  A bear is game.  You can eat it.  You can make a rug of its skin.  You can sell the gall bladder to asian folks, you can render the fat for all sorts of uses.  Bear is no different than elk in many respects.


Bullshiat. And you know it. You are going to compare bear to elk as to meat quality with a straight face?  BTW, bringing up the travesty of selling bear gall bladders to a bunch of superstitious barbarians doesn't help justify trophy hunting. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only part that really matters to 99% of bear hunters is the part I bolded. They eat the meat because it's there and you might as well. They don't do it for the meat, if they wanted meat they would hunt deer. It's about machismo.

Bear meat sucks.

That is obviously you opinion and not held by everyone.  The fact that you say you have friends that hunt and then go on to disparage thier choices on what to hunt because of some opinion that you don't like the meat is pretty dumb.

Oh, stop it. You know bear meat isn't even close to as good as prey game, it's just a thinly veiled excuse for trophy hunters. I had plenty of bear; bear chilli, bear stew, bear sausage, ect. Why is bear almost always in a stew or other heavily seasoned dish? Oh, that's right, because it kind of sucks on it's own. Edible? Sure. Really yummy? No. No one is grilling plain bear steaks like they do elk or venison.

Want to see the menu from the last game dinner I cooked at?  Don't tell me I don't know about bear and other game. I've had and prepared everything from elk to moose to boar to bear.


I'll agree that it does not make you any tougher than killing any other animial, but to base you ill-informed opinion on -what appears to be - you preconcieved notion of a 'trophy hunter' is not very rational.

You need to learn what "ill-informed", "preconceived" and "rational" mean. Little hint: I have an informed opinion, it was conceived after years of discussion with hunters of all kinds and thinking ...


Yes, you are well informed by your own biases.  You don't like bear meat, so not one must like bear meat.  So everyone that hunts bears is just looking for a bear rug and to beat on their chest about how tough they are.
 
2013-09-17 01:53:24 PM

PunGent: Not really deserving of any empathy whatsoever.


Do you really think that a unidentified hunter that has done nothing illegal and whose only transgression is that he has the audacity to hunt a wild animal should be afforded no empathy? I can see this point applying to a criminal. I believe that those that equate a generalized hunter with these folks that deserve no empathy are really indicative of what is wrong with the breakdown of society.
 
2013-09-17 01:55:35 PM

Lucky LaRue: My uncle nearly died at the hands hoofs of a deer he shot.  He had his knife out and was kneeling over the deer to field-dress it, when it kicked him in the hand.  The kick turned the knife in to his other arm, nicking the artery.  He damn near bled to death before getting out of the woods.

To this day, I kill as many deer as I can to exact my family's revenge.


Gored. Elk didn't pop a switchblade. The hunter was gored.

Lucky LaRue's uncle's game, on the other hand, was a bit more crafty. Deer will cut a biatch.
 
2013-09-17 01:57:16 PM

FarkinHostile: but "ill informed" is flat out wrong


You did not know that bear was a game animal.  That is not biased, but ill-informed. In your case you appear to be ill-informed and biased.  That is typically much worse than just being one or the other.
 
2013-09-17 01:58:12 PM

HeadLever: FarkinHostile: and if there is nothing irrational about my opinion.

It seems to boils down to StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg.  I get it that you don't like bear meat so all bear hunting is now bad and those that hunt them get no empathy from you when they are killed or injured by said bear.  Pretty irrational if you ask me.


And just where dis I say STOP? But I am about to, since you seem to be a big fan of doing something I actually do not like:

STOP putting words in my mouth.

You want to hunt bear? Go right on ahead. But if "you" are one of those types that do it to prove how much of a man you are, or for the main reason of a trophy, my opinion is "you" are a coward, unless you do so in the way I described. In all fairness, my opinion is just as worthless as anyones, so take it as you will. It's just my opinion.

I'm getting sick of this StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg bullshiat. We are not talking about Justin Beiber or a TV show, this is a substantial topic. If you don't want to hear diametrically opposed opinions stay off Fark.
 
2013-09-17 02:04:25 PM

FarkinHostile: But if "you" are one of those types that do it to prove how much of a man you are, or for the main reason of a trophy, my opinion is "you" are a coward, unless you do so in the way I described.


That qualification didn't seem to stop you from projecting this 'cowardness' on to the guy in Alaska.  You seem to be cheering for the bear even though you have no idea if he was a meat hunter or a hunter just looking for a head.  Your intellectual dishonesty is coming back to bit you, isn't it?

I'm getting sick of this StopLikingWhatIDontLike.jpg bullshiat. . . .If you don't want to hear diametrically opposed opinions stay off Fark.

Lol,  that is classic right there dude.  Thaks for my Tuesday laugh.
 
2013-09-17 02:09:31 PM

HeadLever: PunGent: Not really deserving of any empathy whatsoever.

Do you really think that a unidentified hunter that has done nothing illegal and whose only transgression is that he has the audacity to hunt a wild animal should be afforded no empathy? I can see this point applying to a criminal. I believe that those that equate a generalized hunter with these folks that deserve no empathy are really indicative of what is wrong with the breakdown of society.


Responsible hunting of non-endangered animals is OK in my book.

That's why I said SOME of our fellow humans.
 
2013-09-17 02:16:06 PM

Callous: Yes, you are well informed by your own biases. You don't like bear meat, so not one must like bear meat. So everyone that hunts bears is just looking for a bear rug and to beat on their chest about how tough they are.


Pretty much. My biases, and all the hunters I know. Quite a few admit it. A few even admit they just like to kill. Almost no one is hunting bear for the primary purpose of putting food on the table. I'd say "no one" but there are always exceptions.


HeadLever: You did not know that bear was a game animal. That is not biased, but ill-informed. In your case you appear to be ill-informed and biased. That is typically much worse than just being one or the other.


You really think that scored any points? As if I haven't cooked/attended dozens of game dinners with bear on the menu. You know exactly what I meant, and that was weak technique. All wild animals are game. Mountain lion is "game" but no one is hunting it for its meat.
 
2013-09-17 02:17:01 PM

PunGent: Responsible hunting of non-endangered animals is OK in my book.


I can agree with that.  Poachers (that are not in need of food) don't get any respect from me. However, this guy in Alaska seems to be completely lawful
 
2013-09-17 02:23:52 PM

walkerhound: gaslight: In case you're wondering, old Mercedes 530s and Volvo station wagons are good vehicles for this sort of thing.

Let me guess...Ithaca?

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 567x350]


4 Volvo's , 3 240's and 1 850.
 
2013-09-17 02:25:54 PM

HeadLever: That qualification didn't seem to stop you from projecting this 'cowardness' on to the guy in Alaska. You seem to be cheering for the bear even though you have no idea if he was a meat hunter or a hunter just looking for a head. Your intellectual dishonesty is coming back to bit you, isn't it?


Intellectually dishonest? You ARE really that stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but every post confirms my suspicion.

NO ONE from Rhode Island is going to ALASKA to put food on the table, and especially not grizzly bear meat. I'd give a native Alaskan more of the benefit of the doubt, but a well-to-do guy from the other side of the country? Forget it. He was there for a head and skin to be stuffed I'd put money on it he kept little of the meat.

Oh, BTW? I'd cheer any animal who was shot who got in some licks on their hunter. Survival of the fittest, baby. I believe it's a fundamental, universal right to defend yourself from attack, and if you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:55 PM

FarkinHostile: You really think that scored any points?


Points?  What points?  It was simply an agrument I made to support the notion that you really don't know as much as you think about the issue.  Nothing less, nothing more.

My biases, and all the hunters I know.

The danger you get into is that you allow your biases to project on others that you obviosly know little or nothing about.  Then you make dumb comments on various Fark threads where you cheer a bear mauling a person even though you know nothing of the person or the situation.

It makes you look childish and this kind of attitude exemplfies why PeTA is held in so much distain.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:37 PM

FarkinHostile: NO ONE from Rhode Island is going to ALASKA to put food on the table, and especially not grizzly bear meat. I'd give a native Alaskan more of the benefit of the doubt, but a well-to-do guy from the other side of the country? Forget it. He was there for a head and skin to be stuffed I'd put money on it he kept little of the meat.


Lol, is that your bias projector working overtime again.  So without any information supporting the notion, you find that:
1) he is not putting food on the table
2) he is well-to-do

It is amusing what you folks have to tell yourself in order to justify your biases.


Point: I'd cheer any animal who was shot who got in some licks on their hunter. previous point: I have lots of friends who hunt, mostly game, and I have no problem with that and I appreciate the meat and the fact that they use almost all of the animal. =>Does Not Compute

So you would't mind seeing your 'friends' mauled, gored or killed by the animials they shot?   You may want to quit digging at some point.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:56 PM

HeadLever: It makes you look childish and this kind of attitude exemplfies why PeTA is held in so much distain.



Only an idiot would compare my opinion on a nuanced aspect of hunting to PETAs platform.
 
2013-09-17 02:42:53 PM

FarkinHostile: Only an idiot would compare my opinion on a nuanced aspect of hunting to PETAs platform.


Oh, you don't think that PETA considers their position to be a nuanced aspect of hunting?  You have just admitted that you would cheer on any animal that was shot.  To me, you sound like a card-carrying member of said organization.
 
2013-09-17 02:43:27 PM

HeadLever: Lol, is that your bias projector working overtime again. So without any information supporting the notion, you find that:
1) he is not putting food on the table
2) he is well-to-do



Someone didn't read the article. Someone is not from Rhode Island and doesn't know about the families involved. Someone doesn't understand how much a guided grizzly hunt in Alaska costs.

HeadLever: So you would't mind seeing your 'friends' mauled, gored or killed by the animials they shot? You may want to quit digging at some point.


Because they are my friends and I have personal feeling for them, yes. Because they were hunting, no, not one bit and they know it.


BTW, that is called an "Appeal to Emotion" and is a basic logical fallacy. Work on that.


You really aren't good at complexity, nuance, or spelling.
 
2013-09-17 02:44:03 PM

HeadLever: Oh, you don't think that PETA considers their position to be a nuanced aspect of hunting? You have just admitted that you would cheer on any animal that was shot. To me, you sound like a card-carrying member of said organization.



Well, that is because you are an idiot.
 
2013-09-17 02:44:58 PM

SuddenlySamhain: But if you dont know the day how will you be sure that your bowels and bladder are empty when 'it' happens? And dont say wear a diaper!Im not shopping for no diapers! Maybe if  I can have them delivered to my door......with anchovies....and a couple packs of smokes


General anesthesia does complicate matters.

I guess I won't quit my day job yet.

Too bad, I had found a legal way to hunt humans humanely.
 
2013-09-17 02:51:16 PM

FarkinHostile: W, that is called an "Appeal to Emotion" and is a basic logical fallacy. Work on that.


Sorry dude, pointing out an apparent contradiction in your arguments is not an appeal to emotion.

Because they are my friends and I have personal feeling for them, yes. Because they were hunting, no, not one bit and they know it.

Lol, Ok dude. Anyone that stand by the fact that they would cheer on the death of thier own 'friend' because they were hunting is . . . well, crazy.  Which is pretty much my point all along.

*Tips my had and saunters off to go buy a wolf tag*
 
2013-09-17 03:03:35 PM

FarkinHostile: HeadLever: Oh, you don't think that PETA considers their position to be a nuanced aspect of hunting? You have just admitted that you would cheer on any animal that was shot. To me, you sound like a card-carrying member of said organization.


Well, that is because you are an idiot.


Well there's a well reasoned and informed argument.

You believe that no one hunts bears for food and would cheer on a hunter(even your friends) suffering a horrible death, because you don't like the taste of bear meat.

I think you're probably an idiot, but I'm positive you're a psychopath.

Or you're just an idiot that's willing to go to any extreme to "win" an internet argument.

Probably the second one....  Probably...
 
2013-09-17 03:24:42 PM
Callous:

Well there's a well reasoned and informed argument.

You believe that no one hunts bears for food and would cheer on a hunter(even your friends) suffering a horrible death, because you don't like the taste of bear meat.


No.

I believe that most bear hunters are in it primarily for the trophy aspect. This has been confirmed by dozens of hunters I have had this conversation with. I didn't even have an opinion 20 years ago, but that was before I actually spoke to people who hunted bears and other apex predators.

Second, I would not cheer my friends horrible death, or anyones for that matter, but I certainly have a positive feeling regarding the animal that just had a bullet blow out half it's guts being able to give a little love back.  I cheer the spirit and resolve of such an animal, including humans in the same situation.

None of this has anything to do with liking bear meat. Frankly, I like ALL meat, but in comparison to elk, venison or other, true prey game, it sucks. Similar to how a McDonalds burger tastes good but in comparison to a wood grilled porterhouse it sucks.


I think you're probably an idiot, but I'm positive you're a psychopath.

Funny, I'll accept idiot, as we all can be one, but when you say I am a "Psychopath", a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy, when my belief is based ON empathy, you look...well, dumb.

Or you're just an idiot that's willing to go to any extreme to "win" an internet argument.

Probably the second one....  Probably...


Nope. This is 100% my opinion. I know it is not popular to some, especially not hunters in general, but it truly how I feel about the subject.

Honestly, no one "wins" an internet argument regarding opinion. No one. We throw out our opinions, we defend them, and that's about it. I doubt I convinced anyone who hunts bear not to just because of my worthless opinion. Only on topics that can be researched and verified can anyone "win", and this is not one of them.
 
2013-09-17 03:42:47 PM
FarkinHostile: Point:  Frankly, I like ALL meat, Previous Point: Bear meat sucks  => Does not compute

Consistent logic is hard for you isn't it? You just seem to post whatever currently supports your latest point without regard to any previous points you have made - even if it is in complete opposition.
 
2013-09-17 03:45:12 PM

FarkinHostile: I doubt I convinced anyone who hunts bear not to just because of my worthless opinion.


From the multitude of self-contrary points you have made in this thread, it appears that you have yet to even convince yourself.
 
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