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(Fox News)   Don't want to get speeding tickets? Just become a State legislator in Washington. Cops can't ticket you   (foxnews.com) divider line 88
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2013-09-17 11:48:33 AM  

trappedspirit: JacobDavidWatson: 330 million people, 2 parties... this surprises you?

/the rest of the world laughs at your "democracy"

Yeah, so that's what?  Europe and Asia?  That's two countries.  Who the hell cares what they think?


I always thought it was a good thing.  Making billions of people laugh brings so much joy to the world.
 
2013-09-17 11:50:12 AM  

dywed88: Persnickety: ikanreed: SlothB77: I can see the police being used to detain or delay legislators of the opposite party from getting to a vote.  I can see that being a problem.

But for the 15 days before the legislature is in session?  How long does it take for these guys to get to work?  And what about if they are detained by police for other violations of law?  Can police not arrest them for DWI or domestic abuse too?  Or drug possession?

Yep, the federal constitution has the exact same provision for the exact same reason.  This is not news in the slightest.

I thought these laws were everywhere.  One of the more disgraceful strategies we've seen in the last few years was for one party to hype up phony baloney fears so as to make it harder for constituents of the other party to vote.  Since the executive branch has the power to detain pretty much anyone at any time on just one person's say-so, we need laws like this to put a check on that power.  Otherwise, given the current political climate, I wouldn't put it past certain political groups to abuse executive power in an attempt to alter the vote.

Presonally, I could see a good rule being they cannot be compelled to answer questions or be in court during session. Anything more than a traffic ticket has to wait until after the session ends, when you can be prosecuted for any actions during the session. You can't stop them from taking part, but they don't get the benefits.


I'm not sure missing a vote matters as much as you think... but that's just a hunch.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:16 AM  
How about we just hold them responsible for getting to their job on time? You know, like everyone else.  If it's so damn important that you get to work to cast a vote, then how about you leave early enough that you don't have to speed?  Again, like everyone else.

Nah, it's a much better solution to just make them immune to the repercussions of their actions.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:48 AM  
The US Congress is the same -- at least while it's in session.  Congresspeople are pretty much immune from prosecution while engaged in their official duties.  It's in the Constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause
 
2013-09-17 11:55:23 AM  
Wait until that reporter hears about the free mail they get to send!
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-17 11:56:18 AM  

jshine: The US Congress is the same -- at least while it's in session.  Congresspeople are pretty much immune from prosecution while engaged in their official duties.  It's in the Constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause


...and that isn't an amendment; it's in the original 1787 text.
 
2013-09-17 12:02:50 PM  

Ant: Diplomatic immunity!
[www.weirdir.com image 468x199]


i970.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 12:04:00 PM  
Rope. Trees.
 
2013-09-17 12:04:28 PM  
I was pulled over in Massachusetts for reckless driving. When brought before the judge, I was asked if I knew what the punishment for drunk driving in that state was. I said, "I don't know... reelection to the Senate?" - Emo Philips
 
2013-09-17 12:07:18 PM  

Ant: It's OK because all of our state legislators are highly-trained race car drivers.


Some say that they're almost as corrupt as the IOC; and that they perpetuated the myth of bad drivers being exclusively elderly, Asian and/or female so as to distract the electorate from their own horrifyingly terrible driving.

All we know is, they're full of sh*t.
 
2013-09-17 12:07:48 PM  

cgraves67: Illinois has those rules in effect as well. This is not new, and quite prevalent. It's nothing to get your panties in a twist about, unless they were drunk and killed someone. It keeps the opposing party from setting up accidents or whatever to keep a legislator from voting on a particular bill. And you know they would, too.


Except that would be a felony and they are not exempt from those.

/Reading...the more you know
 
2013-09-17 12:13:44 PM  

JacobDavidWatson: trappedspirit: JacobDavidWatson: 330 million people, 2 parties... this surprises you?

/the rest of the world laughs at your "democracy"

Yeah, so that's what?  Europe and Asia?  That's two countries.  Who the hell cares what they think?

I always thought it was a good thing.  Making billions of people laugh brings so much joy to the world.


Laugh, cry, fart.  Who gives a shiat what they are doing?
 
2013-09-17 12:14:51 PM  
After all, you don't want teachers not being allowed to hit children, do you?

Twenty[-seven] years ago, after weeks of impassioned debate, warnings of total social breakdown and a hair's-breadth vote, legislation banning corporal punishment in UK state schools became law.

Several pro-caning Tory MPs missed a key vote in July 1986, which was won by 231 votes to 230, because they were stuck in a traffic jam caused by preparations for the wedding of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson.
 
2013-09-17 12:16:29 PM  
(Ok, so that was traffic rather than cops, but still a funny story.)
 
2013-09-17 12:19:57 PM  
So, now that we know this is both a non-issue and a relatively common piece of legislation in multiple states, we've avoided the attempt to manufacture poutrage, right?
 
2013-09-17 12:21:14 PM  
It protects the cops. A cop doesn't have to decide whether to ticket a legislator (usually the license plate says it) or not and risk a high profile complaint of selective enforcement, since the newspaper just did the story about the noble cop who pulled over the governor. The cop's supervisor doesn't get the call from "I can make your career disappear along with your budget for investigating state house corruption (in Texas)."
 
2013-09-17 12:25:34 PM  
If these rules weren't in place you'd have cops throwing legislators in jail en masse for 'loitering' or 'looking suspicious' everytime there was an important vote.
 
2013-09-17 12:31:52 PM  
This is proof that speeding tickets are about REVENUE and not PUBLIC SAFETY.

If the speeding ticket system was instituted in the interest of public safety then ANYONE speeding presents a threat.

A speeding State Legislator is just as much a threat to lose control and kill someone as anyone else, so in the interest of public safety, they should be cited. By making them immune to citations, the State is basically saying that they issue tickets because they need the revenue not because it is a public safety issue.
 
gja
2013-09-17 12:32:52 PM  

EvilEgg: I can see how delaying senators on their way to vote could be a problem.  but then so could delay a doctor on his way to surgery.  We'll just work them like the enforcement cameras do, take a picture and mail you the ticket.

Tada!  No delay and you still have to obey the same rules as everyone else.


/what your face may look line waiting for this to happen:
www.louisvillevisualart.org
 
2013-09-17 12:35:16 PM  
I should totally run for office.
 
2013-09-17 12:48:27 PM  
I've lived in Washington my entire life. I am within walking distance of the Capitol building.

This has never been a problem; it's something a local newspaper (I think the Tribune) decided was worth making up some outrage over to sell some papers and get some eyeballs, and they can't even name an actual incident where a legislator avoided a ticket. It's one of those things where it be that  in theory a legislator got out of a speeding ticket, but  in practice it's not a problem.

Goddammit, there's only a few hundred of them and most don't even drive that much. Can't we find something more useful to do, like addressing the labor issues at the Port of Seattle or maybe getting a few bridges fixed before they fall into the water?

Farking circus animals.
 
2013-09-17 12:57:41 PM  

Cyclometh: Goddammit, there's only a few hundred of them and most don't even drive that much. Can't we find something more useful to do, like addressing the labor issues at the Port of Seattle or maybe getting a few bridges fixed before they fall into the water?

Farking circus animals.


I hardly think farking circus animals is more useful...
 
2013-09-17 01:02:54 PM  

tommyl66: Cyclometh: Goddammit, there's only a few hundred of them and most don't even drive that much. Can't we find something more useful to do, like addressing the labor issues at the Port of Seattle or maybe getting a few bridges fixed before they fall into the water?

Farking circus animals.

I hardly think farking circus animals is more useful...


And a few years ago those same Washington State legislators made that illegal too.

/don't know why this is news now.
//the press are as bad as the legislators
 
2013-09-17 01:04:03 PM  

jshine: The US Congress is the same -- at least while it's in session.  Congresspeople are pretty much immune from prosecution while engaged in their official duties.  It's in the Constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause


This.
 
2013-09-17 01:11:58 PM  
Add another group who should be first against the wall when the revolution comes. That's gonna be one whoppin' big wall!
 
2013-09-17 01:21:01 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Is it a blue state, run by democrats?

Check.


/should have known...


Because it's so much better than your shiathole? Yes, yes it is.
 
2013-09-17 01:42:18 PM  

EvilEgg: We'll just work them like the enforcement cameras do, take a picture and mail you the ticket. Tada!  No delay and you still have to obey the same rules as everyone else.


In states like California and Iowa, lawmakers, cops and judges have "confidential" license plates that prevent them from getting photo tickets. In other states, e.g. Arizona, the camera company operates under "business rules" that throw out tickets for legislators and other VIPs automatically. They are better than you, citizen.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/iowa-moves-to-shield-governor-s-lic en se-plate-data/article_6a11e800-039f-11e3-b449-001a4bcf887a.html
 
2013-09-17 02:07:47 PM  

jshine: The US Congress is the same -- at least while it's in session.  Congresspeople are pretty much immune from prosecution while engaged in their official duties.  It's in the Constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause


Yup.  It's a check and balance issue for the judicial and legislative branches, not a privilege issue.  Can it be abused?  Sure, but not nearly as much as the executive branch can and does abuse its power to detain people.  The occasional lawmaker getting out of a speeding ticket is worth the price of uninhibited legislature.  I doubt we're going to see a rash of elective representatives doing donuts on the highways and giving us all the finger while they run through stop signs.
 
2013-09-17 02:09:27 PM  

Beerguy: This is proof that speeding tickets are about REVENUE and not PUBLIC SAFETY.

If the speeding ticket system was instituted in the interest of public safety then ANYONE speeding presents a threat.

A speeding State Legislator is just as much a threat to lose control and kill someone as anyone else, so in the interest of public safety, they should be cited. By making them immune to citations, the State is basically saying that they issue tickets because they need the revenue not because it is a public safety issue.


Yup.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:22 PM  
"But officer, I need to get home to vote on The Smoking Guns Friday Quiz!" You don't want me to miss the vote, right?
 
2013-09-17 02:30:48 PM  
What my seat of government might look like:

www.motorcyclenews.com
 
2013-09-17 03:27:01 PM  

JacobDavidWatson: /the rest of the world laughs at your "democracy"


They could turn the concept on its head - as in "We are here to serve the people" as opposed to "We are here to serve ourselves"

Kinda depends on which definition you choose - Ambrose Bierce "Politics: "The conduct of public affairs for private advantage", Terry Pratchett -"The word "polite" comes from "polis", too. It used to mean the proper behavior from someone living in a city." , or Dave Barry 'Poli' as in many, 'tics' as in nasty bloodsucking insects
 
2013-09-17 03:54:17 PM  
Speeding tickets?  Dick Cheney laughs while shooting another lawyer.
 
2013-09-17 04:33:54 PM  

EvilEgg: I can see how delaying senators on their way to vote could be a problem.  but then so could delay a doctor on his way to surgery.  We'll just work them like the enforcement cameras do, take a picture and mail you the ticket.

Tada!  No delay and you still have to obey the same rules as everyone else.


gee, I wonder why they won't change that law...
 
2013-09-17 05:14:10 PM  

Beerguy: A speeding State Legislator is just as much a threat to lose control and kill someone as anyone else, so in the interest of public safety, they should be cited. By making them immune to citations, the State is basically saying that they issue tickets because they need the revenue not because it is a public safety issue.


I sure hope none of these legislators ever pushed to introduce $peed camera$, enforce speed limits or otherwise inconvenience the public with speed limits either.
 
2013-09-17 09:06:03 PM  
That basically sums up what is wrong with the human race. We put the worst individuals - pampered, privileged, selfish and mostly  middle-aged men with fossilized brains in positions of power,

They are insulated from the effect of the screwing over they give us because of their immense wealth and the self-granted privileges they give themselves and their well-off peers.

Doesn't matter, right or left, dictatorship or democracy, they are all self-serving scum.

Why do wars happen? because these insecure old men want to wave their dicks around, Of course, they have no problem sending your children to fight their wars.

In a truly just world, politicians would not be paid at all for their "job", They should also be  subjected to ten times the taxes and fines that us "ordinary folk" have to put up with. They need to suffer like we do before they understand.

A good way would be for them to survive on food stamps why they are in office. And actually be given a uniform and shipped over to some war zone to see the results of their "diplomacy".

Think about it - when is the last time some politician said he was giving his salary and his fortune away to some humanitarian cause?
 
2013-09-17 10:28:17 PM  
They have the same thing in Nebraska.
 
2013-09-17 11:06:36 PM  
Fine.... Then I want to see this... For every vote that that a member of the legislature misses, that individual shall be fined $500.00. If such member of the legislature misses more than 10 votes during the legislative session, then he or she shall be fined $5,000.00 per missed vote.. A vote must be either a Yes or No vote, A simple "present" vote shall not be counted, however a legislator may vote "abstain" if they have a genuine conflict of interest.  I would extend that not only to the state legislatures but to the federal congress and senate.
 
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