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2013-09-17 02:14:03 PM
 If your grandpa is 75 and is going to lose his house because of real estate taxes, then
it is time for the grandkids to pass on the new ipad this year and stick it out with last years ipad3 for another 6 months and pay granddaddies tax bill.
 
2013-09-17 02:15:16 PM

DrPainMD: Dinki: DrPainMD: A poor person isn't poorer because someone else is rich.

Actually, yes they are. If the rich guy gets his money by paying the poor guy a minimal amount when he could just as easily pay the poor guy more.

Wages are determined by supply and demand. Start a business yourself and see. Pay your burger-flippers $30 per hour with full benefits and see how quickly you go bankrupt. There's a reason why VPs make more than janitors, and it's not because the owner likes the VPs more than he does the janitors.


The janitor does more work, and I think that is a large part of the farking issue.
 
2013-09-17 02:15:22 PM

gja: Joe Blowme: Carn: There you go. Who expects to make millions (per year) as a cubicle drone? You're going with the tried and true Bootstraps argument. All poor people, every single one of them, is poor, because they just aren't trying hard enough, right?

And then there is you on the other side of the argument, all rich people did not earn it but instead robbed poor people to get rich.

/both are stupid

How EVER did you get that resultant formation from what Carn wrote?
Did you run that through an english=>derp translator?


I was hoping that I was being so reasonable that his only move was throwing the ball into left field.  Also, thanks!
 
2013-09-17 02:17:23 PM

Shadow Blasko: Think about that for a minute. This woman has never had a new car. Her husband flew in the battle of Midway and she raised two families after the war. He built her a house and a 10 acre farm with his two hands. The company and the country said they would take care of her. That was the deal. Now they have threatened her with Jail because she can't pay her taxes while living in a nursing home with no assets left to her name... and she is CONTEMPLATING LETTING THEM PUT HER IN JAIL so she is not a burden to the family that can no longer afford to pay her medical bills.


Your county doesnt have a plan where they stop collecting real estate taxes on old assed people until they die?
 
2013-09-17 02:18:11 PM

gja: Joe Blowme: Carn: There you go. Who expects to make millions (per year) as a cubicle drone? You're going with the tried and true Bootstraps argument. All poor people, every single one of them, is poor, because they just aren't trying hard enough, right?

And then there is you on the other side of the argument, all rich people did not earn it but instead robbed poor people to get rich.

/both are stupid

How EVER did you get that resultant formation from what Carn wrote?
Did you run that through an english=>derp translator?


why yes, i made it myself from legos
 
2013-09-17 02:21:30 PM

Madbassist1: Magnanimous_J: Madbassist1: Magnanimous_J: I think he's being facetious, but that is an interesting point. How should we define wealth? I'm definitely middle class. Last night I bought a pretty decent steak from the grocery store for about 5 bucks. That equates to about 10 minutes of work (before taxes). My electricity costs about I hour of work per month. My student loan payment is about 3 hours of work per month. Given that these middle class essentials are NOT a financial burden, how is taxing the rich more going to help me out?

My electricity bill was 350-400 bucks last month. If you make that in an hour, you are no longer middle class, bub.

I do live in an modern apartment building with concrete walls and no AC, but 400 bucks? Holy crap! How many swimming pools do you have at your house?

Im electric only. No gas.


Nutsac_Jim: Madbassist1: Nutsac_Jim: I'm sure you bought you house and car WITH CASH.

Yes, I did. Funny things happen when you save money. It grows into a bigger pile.

You're a farking liar.

Please.   I paid cash for my car and paid cash for my land.    I haven't build the house yet, simply because I don't want a mortgage
where if I cant pay for 4 months, the effing bank comes and takes it.

Oh, I get it. You're a minor liar, n ot an outrageous one. Still a farking liar.


You shut your whore mouth.  I lied about nothing.  I paid cash for the car.  I paid cash for the land.  I rent until it is the right time to build.  I do not have a mortgage.
There is no loan to 'not be able to pay' and have the bank take it.
 
2013-09-17 02:22:00 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Your county doesnt have a plan where they stop collecting real estate taxes on old assed people until they die?


B-b-b-but leeches!

Really. STFU.
 
2013-09-17 02:22:05 PM
Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.
 
2013-09-17 02:22:34 PM

Barnstormer: The recent 60 Minutes spot with the two MIT researchers talking about automation made me think that we're basically going to have to move towards an expanded welfare state, where it's easy to get on the dole and easy to stay on it.


Here's a plan.

How about a robust and well regulated capitalist engine that has it's principle allegiances to the country that hosts it's wealth base and produces not only profits, but a fair and equatable tax base that uses a socialist model to serve all common needs - medicine, housing, transportation, water and power infrastructure, etc - and nobody gets screwed or left out or favored, and then add a dollop of communism to asses individual needs and abilities so that the socialist, erection to resurrection education system can best give them a wheel to put their shoulder to?

Warning.

This plan contains very obvious points that are as plain as the balls on a tall dog, but would surely have Stalin and Khrushchev eating kittens in the streets and putting infants on spikes and America would crumble to ruin.  Much like now.  Oddly.
 
2013-09-17 02:25:33 PM

CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.


Yep, perhaps the most misinterpreted thing old Benny ever said. It wasn't poor people voting themselves the treasury that Franklin was talking about.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:48 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Your county doesnt have a plan where they stop collecting real estate taxes on old assed people until they die?


Honestly I am note sure what the taxes are based on.

They sold the farm when grandpa died to pay the medical bills and because my grandmother could not keep it up herself. They didn't get much for it.

She went into a nursing home soon after. I guess the taxes are on what is left of grandpa's life insurance or something, I am honestly not sure.

She has a couple level 2 wounds from a skin infection (not sure what that means exactly, but they have her on the medical side of the nursing home, and we have to pay for the regular side apartment as well.. it costs like 6 grand a month) (if we let her apartment go on the residential side of the nursing home there is a year wait to get back in, so you have to pay both at once, and insurance will NOT cover anything like that)
 
2013-09-17 02:27:08 PM
How about a robust and well regulated capitalist engine that has it's principle allegiances to the country that hosts it's wealth base and produces not only profits, but a fair and equatable tax base that uses a socialist model to serve all common needs - medicine, housing, transportation, water and power infrastructure, etc - and nobody gets screwed or left out or favored, and then add a dollop of communism to asses individual needs and abilities so that the socialist, erection to resurrection education system can best give them a wheel to put their shoulder to?

Wow, that sounds so perfect!  And then we can implement some sort of education policy that ensures all people treat others with love and respect. No more wars or sadness, either!
 
2013-09-17 02:28:03 PM

Nutsac_Jim: If your grandpa is 75 and is going to lose his house because of real estate taxes, then
it is time for the grandkids to pass on the new ipad this year and stick it out with last years ipad3 for another 6 months and pay granddaddies tax bill.


You arent near as smart as you think you are. Your libertarian ideology will keep you sleeping on that rocky patch of ground you formerly claimed held a house you paid for with cash.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:11 PM

Headso: At this point...


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Can someone also toss Clinton into this picture too?  They're all corporate whores, the lot of em.

img.fark.net
 
2013-09-17 02:32:35 PM

CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "


We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.


Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.
 
2013-09-17 02:32:44 PM
img.fark.net


www.teaparty.org

YEAH!   WE KNOW !  AAAAAAAAAHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-09-17 02:34:44 PM

Nutsac_Jim: You shut your whore mouth.


You have no right to call me a whore. How would you know what a whore is? I don't see you paying for a woman to have dinner with you, you certainly wouldnt pay a woman to fark you.

Also, telling someone to "shut their whore mouth" on FARK is somewhat of a term of endearment. A kind of "I disagree with you, but it's all good."

I feel no camaraderie with you. I do not like you. I think you have a basic understanding of economic concepts, and think it entitles you to pass sweeping judgements. You also think your experiences should apply to everyone else regardless of their circumstances, and that how you see things is the same way everyone else sees them. This behavior is pretty typical of a 16-18 yr old teenager. Most people grow out of that, you clearly did not.

Disagree with me all you want, call me names if you will. I don't mind, you aint got nothin on me, Mr. Paul. But do not address me with anything approximating a term of endearment, you cocksucker.
 
2013-09-17 02:35:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dinki: DrPainMD: A poor person isn't poorer because someone else is rich.

Actually, yes they are. If the rich guy gets his money by paying the poor guy a minimal amount when he could just as easily pay the poor guy more.

Rich people don't employ poor people!

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They employ them at wages so low that their company has policies to assist their employees with getting welfare. It's almost like you're retarded.


What do you mean, "almost"?  They are willfully ignorant, or completely farking retarded.  There's no middle ground.  They will hold the Walton's up as a successfully boot-strappy, feel-good story, and ignore the fact that they're costing the rest of us billions in tax money to subsidize their workforce.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:18 PM

Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.

Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.


Do you think I brought up the quote because Ben Franklin was the one it was attributed to?  It could have been your creepy uncle who came up with the quote and I would have still used it.
 
2013-09-17 02:37:28 PM

CrazyCracka420: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.

Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.


Do you think I brought up the quote because Ben Franklin was the one it was attributed to?  It could have been your creepy uncle who came up with the quote and I would have still used it.


*pees in your soup*

My uncle was in the Navy.
 
2013-09-17 02:43:29 PM

CrazyCracka420: Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: Infernalist: OnlyM3: HighlanderRPI
2013-09-17 07:56:21 AM


/Oblig
Reagan has been out of office for how many years now? Bush disagreed with his economic beliefs calling them "Voodoo economics" and changed the course.... leading to the bush recession. Remember "It's the economy stupid"?

So, how long has zero been in office? You're blaming Reagan who's been dead longer than zero has been at the helm.

So, you think that the bad economy of the late 80s is because of Bush sr.?   lol  oh god, it burns.

Hyper conservatism can never be wrong.

What we need is 20 straight years of Democratic control of the WH and congress.  No more of this '8 years and hand off' bullshiat.  We need a solid decade of Democratic control of the government so that we can 'see' what can come of it.  And then let the American people decide if the GOP alternatives are better or not.

Because right now, it's stupid.  We let the GOP fark things up with foreign wars and obscene tax cuts and cronyism and all but open bribery in the government at the highest level...and when shiat goes south, they throw up a lamb to be slaughtered after 8 years and the Democrats take over.

Democrats spend 8 years fixing the GOP fark ups and disasters and get us out of the wars and the whole time, the GOP is snarking and complaining about how the Democrats aren't fixing things fast enough.  And at the end of the 8 years, they talk about integrity of the office and how corrupt the Democrats are and weak on crime and our enemies are laughing at us...etc etc etc...

And we vote them back in and they go right back to provoking foreign wars and looting the government for as much as they can, and we continually have the unmitigated gall to act SURPRISED.

fark that.  2016 needs to be the point where we give the Democrats another 8 years in the WH.

Oh how cute, you think Democrats and Republicans are really any different than each other.

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/liberal
//the Over ...


A liberal did this, so I feel ok about posting it:

www.bitlogic.com
If there's one place where the differences manifest themselves, it's in the Supreme Court, where one or two more conservatives would have killed Obamacare and Kelo and upheld DOMA while one or two more liberals would have killed Citizens United and Heller and upheld the VRA provisions.

No difference between the parties?
 
2013-09-17 02:44:11 PM

Jorn the Younger: DrPainMD: Is this the thread where everybody biatches about other people's money when they should be out earning money for themselves?

Is this the thread where conservatrolls show up to berate the poor for not having the good sense to be born wealthy, or attempt to maintain the fallacy that harder work turns into increased rewards?


If "hard work" was all it took to become wealthy, why aren't the Mexicans I see sweating their balls off cleaning up after and doing for white people (lawns, houses, food, children) all on their third mansion by now?
Horatio Alger is a myth, a lie and a sham perpetuated by the haves to give the have-nots that are stupid enough to believe a reason to get up in the morning, and to keep them in perpetual bondage.

Joe Blowme: election of Obama?


Considering he didn't actually BECOME president for another two and a half months after the election, I'm going to give this one the thread "F*cking Failure" award.
Wear your medal of shame proudly, doofus.
 
2013-09-17 02:44:43 PM

Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.

Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.

Do you think I brought up the quote because Ben Franklin was the one it was attributed to?  It could have been your creepy uncle who came up with the quote and I would have still used it.

*pees in your soup*

My uncle was in the Navy.


Was that back when rum, sodomy, and the lash were still in fashion?
 
2013-09-17 02:45:37 PM

Ricardo Klement: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "

We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.

Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.

Do you think I brought up the quote because Ben Franklin was the one it was attributed to?  It could have been your creepy uncle who came up with the quote and I would have still used it.

*pees in your soup*

My uncle was in the Navy.

Was that back when rum, sodomy, and the lash were still in fashion?


The Pogues will never go out of fashion. ;)
 
2013-09-17 02:48:01 PM

CrazyCracka420: What do you mean, "almost"?  They are willfully ignorant, or completely farking retarded.  There's no middle ground.  They will hold the Walton's up as a successfully boot-strappy, feel-good story, and ignore the fact that they're costing the rest of us billions in tax money to subsidize their workforce.


Oh look, another farker who can't "read good".
 
2013-09-17 02:50:32 PM

Ricardo Klement: No difference between the parties?


The difference between any two given methods are self evident in the results.  So far, both of these allegedly different ideologies have gotten us, precisely, here and the same people are holding the same disparately huge amount of actual wealth in the same accounts.  It's nice to preach ideology and hold up the ostensibly august body that is a pack of appointed bishops who are in place to ponder the long and mind implications of laws that serve very few of the 99% in any useful way, but they're still just pieces on the board.  Not the players.
 
2013-09-17 02:59:25 PM

max_pooper: OnlyM3: baufan2005
2013-09-17 08:13:00 AM

A slogan to placate the dumbmasses, because actions are harrrrrd.
Under President George W. Bush (Jan. 2007), black unemployment was 7.9%{1}.
Under Obama it has risen to 13.4% (Oct. 2012).

Too bad Facts are bannable offenses on fark.

What was it in Decmember 2008?


The unemployment rate for blacks in december 2008, the last full month GW Bush was in office, was 13.4 percent.
As of August 2013 it is 12.6%, the lowest in five years... since 2008.

What can we surmise about this?
1. The unemployment rate didn't "rise" to 13.4% under president Obama, it was there when he started his first term.
2. That rate has decreased under his presidency.
3. OnlyM3 is a liar and full of sh*t.
 
2013-09-17 03:00:07 PM

bunner: Ricardo Klement: No difference between the parties?

The difference between any two given methods are self evident in the results.  So far, both of these allegedly different ideologies have gotten us, precisely, here and the same people are holding the same disparately huge amount of actual wealth in the same accounts.  It's nice to preach ideology and hold up the ostensibly august body that is a pack of appointed bishops who are in place to ponder the long and mind implications of laws that serve very few of the 99% in any useful way, but they're still just pieces on the board.  Not the players.


There are two other factors to consider: to a large degree, the two parties do a lot to undo each others' work. But, more importantly, when confronted by the same sets of problems, when disparate people agree on the course of action, it's usually because that course of action is the right one.

You know that Republicans and Democrats both agree that if you get tooth pain, you should see a dentist? And if you have a cavity, you should get it filled? To then declare the two parties are the same presupposes there was another option that was just as reasonable.

This last bit is what third parties want you to believe. The truth is that, for the most part, many of the solutions that are the same between the parties are the same because the combination of incentives and the set of available solutions end up with the same application. This isn't some mysterious "owned by the same people" nonsense, it's because that's how it is.

That there's two parties rather than 20 is irrelevant. You'd end up with the same things anyway. If you notice, parliamentary systems end up in two sides once the elections are all over: the government coalition, and the opposition. The difference is purely where that negotiation takes place. In the US, it's before the election. In England, it's after. And if anything makes the parties less reflective of the electorate, it's because of people who have too much ego to be part of that negotiation and want to go out and create their own parties.

This third-party battle has been going on for well over 100 years. Maybe people should try something different and join one of the two parties and try to influence their primaries. The Tea Party did it in VA - that's why Cuccinelli is the gubernatorial candidate and yet the least conservative candidate on the Republican ticket.
 
2013-09-17 03:00:55 PM
Money is government.  Governance is saying who get to do what to whom, when, why, who gets to take what from whom, who can keep what and how much of it and for how long.  Oddly, the collective decisions about such weighty matters that have been handed down from the people who have, by whatever means, acquired the power to make them have been - "that would be us, to anybody we want, whenever, because we said so, we do, from anybody we want, all of it and as long as we like."  Oddly.
 
2013-09-17 03:03:21 PM

Madbassist1: Nutsac_Jim: You shut your whore mouth.

You have no right to call me a whore. How would you know what a whore is? I don't see you paying for a woman to have dinner with you, you certainly wouldnt pay a woman to fark you.

Also, telling someone to "shut their whore mouth" on FARK is somewhat of a term of endearment. A kind of "I disagree with you, but it's all good."

I feel no camaraderie with you. I do not like you. I think you have a basic understanding of economic concepts, and think it entitles you to pass sweeping judgements. You also think your experiences should apply to everyone else regardless of their circumstances, and that how you see things is the same way everyone else sees them. This behavior is pretty typical of a 16-18 yr old teenager. Most people grow out of that, you clearly did not.

Disagree with me all you want, call me names if you will. I don't mind, you aint got nothin on me, Mr. Paul. But do not address me with anything approximating a term of endearment, you cocksucker.


Dont mince words tell us how you really feel
 
2013-09-17 03:03:46 PM

Ricardo Klement: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Kittypie070: CrazyCracka420: Ben Franklin:

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.  "
We've been there for a long time, only you and I weren't part of the club that took over control.

Sorry but that's a grossly misattributed quote.

Result of five minutes of Googling by dumbass kitty:

And if anyone knows a thing or two about proper quote attribution, it's Shapiro, the editor of the Yale Book of Quotations.


Do you think I brought up the quote because Ben Franklin was the one it was attributed to?  It could have been your creepy uncle who came up with the quote and I would have still used it.

*pees in your soup*

My uncle was in the Navy.


Was that back when rum, sodomy, and the lash were still in fashion?


Probably.

/now, back to the regularly scheduled mega-rich stompathon.
 
2013-09-17 03:06:33 PM

Joe Blowme: and yet another jealousy thread


Hey, Mr. Galt... old son, 'ow much water per day do you think you carry for your betters?  I bet it's enough to float a duck at least!
 
2013-09-17 03:09:22 PM

Madbassist1: Nutsac_Jim: If your grandpa is 75 and is going to lose his house because of real estate taxes, then
it is time for the grandkids to pass on the new ipad this year and stick it out with last years ipad3 for another 6 months and pay granddaddies tax bill.

You arent near as smart as you think you are. Your libertarian ideology will keep you sleeping on that rocky patch of ground you formerly claimed held a house you paid for with cash.


I never claimed I had a house on it.  You assumed it.
I simply claimed that I saved up and paid cash for shiat, so that the evil bank man cant take it from me.

I mean, really, I have been all over this thread posting the benfits of renting and that most of the problem in housing was people getting too much into debt so that when times are tough, they cant pay it and lose it.

But go right ahead and think I was telling everyone "Im 18 and paid cash for my house and yacht, and you can too if you buy my books".
 
2013-09-17 03:09:45 PM

Thunderpipes: stir22: revolutions don't start until the masses can't feed their families.  that's why the mega-rich and political parties make sure that the masses have just enough to live on.   dip below that, and it's game on.  they won't let that happen.

Who is "they? You do realize, almost all the liberal leaders pushing policy, are mega rich, right?


I realize that, that's why I don't have delusions that dems and repubs are much different.  They're pretty much all corporate whores. But I've said that specifically to you at least a dozen times over the years, and you still have your head in the sand and want to blame libs for everything (when in reality, there are no libs in government).

BraveNewCheneyWorld: CrazyCracka420: What do you mean, "almost"?  They are willfully ignorant, or completely farking retarded.  There's no middle ground.  They will hold the Walton's up as a successfully boot-strappy, feel-good story, and ignore the fact that they're costing the rest of us billions in tax money to subsidize their workforce.

Oh look, another farker who can't "read good".


You said nothing of substance...what are you trying to even say here:  Rich people don't employ poor people!

I couldn't figure it out, I know you're a troll and are not actually conservative.  That doesn't mean others don't hold your "viewpoints".
 
2013-09-17 03:10:07 PM

Ricardo Klement: To then declare the two parties are the same presupposes there was another option that was just as reasonable.


No, that's a very stretched analogy that doesn't hold water.  And it overlooks that fact that by and large, neither party cares about anybody's "toothache" but the ones being suffered by the people who sign their checks.

Ricardo Klement: That there's two parties rather than 20 is irrelevant.


The fact that there are only two "viable" parties and that anybody who tries to add another is shouted down with "YOU'RE IRRELEVANT!" is vastly relevant

Ricardo Klement: And if anything makes the parties less reflective of the electorate, it's because of people who have too much ego to be part of that negotiation and want to go out and create their own parties.


Um, no.  That's an amazing bit of projecting that makes assumptions that are so doggedly jingoistic and superglued to very rose colored notions that I an't even begin to address the absolute naivety that is displayed in even vaguely subscribing to them.

Ricardo Klement: Maybe people should try something different and join one of the two parties and try to influence their primaries.


Which will lead to elections which will lead to switching the pawn on the board which leads us, so far, precisely here.  Only in your rainbow farting unicorn model, there is one glaring impediment to this accomplishing anything other than locking down the suckers to either chocolate or vanilla.  Nothing changes.  At all.
 
2013-09-17 03:12:48 PM
[tosses CrazyCracka420 a cold beer fresh from the cooler]
 
2013-09-17 03:13:02 PM

Ricardo Klement: CrazyCracka420: Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: Infernalist: OnlyM3: HighlanderRPI
2013-09-17 07:56:21 AM


/Oblig
Reagan has been out of office for how many years now? Bush disagreed with his economic beliefs calling them "Voodoo economics" and changed the course.... leading to the bush recession. Remember "It's the economy stupid"?

So, how long has zero been in office? You're blaming Reagan who's been dead longer than zero has been at the helm.

So, you think that the bad economy of the late 80s is because of Bush sr.?   lol  oh god, it burns.

Hyper conservatism can never be wrong.

What we need is 20 straight years of Democratic control of the WH and congress.  No more of this '8 years and hand off' bullshiat.  We need a solid decade of Democratic control of the government so that we can 'see' what can come of it.  And then let the American people decide if the GOP alternatives are better or not.

Because right now, it's stupid.  We let the GOP fark things up with foreign wars and obscene tax cuts and cronyism and all but open bribery in the government at the highest level...and when shiat goes south, they throw up a lamb to be slaughtered after 8 years and the Democrats take over.

Democrats spend 8 years fixing the GOP fark ups and disasters and get us out of the wars and the whole time, the GOP is snarking and complaining about how the Democrats aren't fixing things fast enough.  And at the end of the 8 years, they talk about integrity of the office and how corrupt the Democrats are and weak on crime and our enemies are laughing at us...etc etc etc...

And we vote them back in and they go right back to provoking foreign wars and looting the government for as much as they can, and we continually have the unmitigated gall to act SURPRISED.

fark that.  2016 needs to be the point where we give the Democrats another 8 years in the WH.

Oh how cute, you think Democrats and Republicans are really any different than each other.

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The difference is so miniscule between the parties that the effect of me arguing with my Republican neighbor (analogy) is way more detrimental.  The Democrat and Republicans are typically rich and favor corporations over civilian interests.  We argue amongst ourselves while the politicians continue to consolidate power into fewer and fewer hands. 

But hey, we can potentially have "more liberal" (lol) justices in the Supreme Court if we keep playing in the current political dichotomy we have in this country. 

fark that noise, we need complete revamping of the system.  Our electoral process is problematic, and our system of how tax money is distributed is problematic.  Until these are addressed, what you or I say will not make a dent in the powerful, continuing to expand their powers.
 
2013-09-17 03:14:09 PM

Kittypie070: [tosses CrazyCracka420 a cold beer fresh from the cooler]


Thanks it's been a long day already...exactly what I needed.

beeradvocate.com
 
2013-09-17 03:17:00 PM

CrazyCracka420: fark that noise, we need complete revamping of the system. Our electoral process is problematic, and our system of how tax money is distributed is problematic. Until these are addressed, what you or I say will not make a dent in the powerful, continuing to expand their powers.


agree.  but, short of an all-out revolution i don't see it happening.
 
2013-09-17 03:22:15 PM

rewind2846: Jorn the Younger: DrPainMD: Is this the thread where everybody biatches about other people's money when they should be out earning money for themselves?

Is this the thread where conservatrolls show up to berate the poor for not having the good sense to be born wealthy, or attempt to maintain the fallacy that harder work turns into increased rewards?

If "hard work" was all it took to become wealthy, why aren't the Mexicans I see sweating their balls off cleaning up after and doing for white people (lawns, houses, food, children) all on their third mansion by now?
Horatio Alger is a myth, a lie and a sham perpetuated by the haves to give the have-nots that are stupid enough to believe a reason to get up in the morning, and to keep them in perpetual bondage.

Joe Blowme: election of Obama?

Considering he didn't actually BECOME president for another two and a half months after the election, I'm going to give this one the thread "F*cking Failure" award.
Wear your medal of shame proudly, doofus.


So he wasn't elected in 2008? I voted in a fake election? Damn, they went through a lot of work and cash to make it seem real.
 
2013-09-17 03:24:52 PM

Two16: Joe Blowme: and yet another jealousy thread

Hey, Mr. Galt... old son, 'ow much water per day do you think you carry for your betters?  I bet it's enough to float a duck at least!


Only when we need to determine if someone is a witch or not
 
2013-09-17 03:27:28 PM

CrazyCracka420: Kittypie070: [tosses CrazyCracka420 a cold beer fresh from the cooler]

Thanks it's been a long day already...exactly what I needed.

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www.mensfitness.com

CHEERS!
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Till tomorrow then?
 
2013-09-17 03:29:53 PM

Madbassist1: Nutsac_Jim: You shut your whore mouth.

You have no right to call me a whore. How would you know what a whore is? I don't see you paying for a woman to have dinner with you, you certainly wouldnt pay a woman to fark you.

Also, telling someone to "shut their whore mouth" on FARK is somewhat of a term of endearment. A kind of "I disagree with you, but it's all good."

I feel no camaraderie with you. I do not like you. I think you have a basic understanding of economic concepts, and think it entitles you to pass sweeping judgements. You also think your experiences should apply to everyone else regardless of their circumstances, and that how you see things is the same way everyone else sees them. This behavior is pretty typical of a 16-18 yr old teenager. Most people grow out of that, you clearly did not.

Disagree with me all you want, call me names if you will. I don't mind, you aint got nothin on me, Mr. Paul. But do not address me with anything approximating a term of endearment, you cocksucker.


You are right.   I make wild assertions and think that because 2 + 2 = 4 in my little world, that it applies to other worlds too.

It isn't magic.
It isn't "Well I got by without insurance in my 20's so everyone else  can too.    It was if you pay cash for shiat, the banker cant take it from you.
It applies to all worlds.

If people want to lease a car and get a mortgage so they can 'have their cake sooner' then more power to them.  They are gambling.
No amount of crying about evil bankers changes that.

Now shut your whore mouth for making an assumption that I paid cash for residence and then calling me a liar about it.
 
2013-09-17 03:32:59 PM

Madbassist1: DrPainMD: Dinki: DrPainMD: A poor person isn't poorer because someone else is rich.

Actually, yes they are. If the rich guy gets his money by paying the poor guy a minimal amount when he could just as easily pay the poor guy more.

Wages are determined by supply and demand. Start a business yourself and see. Pay your burger-flippers $30 per hour with full benefits and see how quickly you go bankrupt. There's a reason why VPs make more than janitors, and it's not because the owner likes the VPs more than he does the janitors.

The janitor does more work, and I think that is a large part of the farking issue.


Because keeping garbage cans empty and bathrooms clean equates to more work than keeping a business running and thousands of people employed?
 
2013-09-17 03:40:19 PM

Madbassist1: I do not like you. I think you have a basic understanding of economic concepts, and think it entitles you to pass sweeping judgements. You also think your experiences should apply to everyone else regardless of their circumstances, and that how you see things is the same way everyone else sees them.


This is entirely untrue.

I certainly recognize that other people see things differently than me.  Quite simply, they are wrong.

But maybe you are right.  Maybe it IS best to have an albatross of a mortgage when companies are cutting hours back to 29 hours a week in order to avoid new PPACA costs.
costs.
 
2013-09-17 03:41:03 PM

rewind2846: Jorn the Younger: DrPainMD: Is this the thread where everybody biatches about other people's money when they should be out earning money for themselves?

Is this the thread where conservatrolls show up to berate the poor for not having the good sense to be born wealthy, or attempt to maintain the fallacy that harder work turns into increased rewards?

If "hard work" was all it took to become wealthy, why aren't the Mexicans I see sweating their balls off cleaning up after and doing for white people (lawns, houses, food, children) all on their third mansion by now?


I bet they do a lot better than the Mexican's who don't bust their ass working all day...

Working harder is a factor, and you really have to be pretty ignorant (or work for the government) to believe that hard work as a general rule doesn't result in increased rewards. Coming in late every day, calling in sick every other week and taking 2 hour lunches isn't a receipt for advancement in any company unless your dad own's it.

That said, it is only one factor to success. I could spend three days a week cutting my lawn with scissors. What you do or don't do is equally as important as how hard you work at it. You can be the best janitor in a company. That might get you some extra shifts, a better raise and some over time that puts you ahead of the worst janitor, but your aren't going to become CEO of the company. Also doesn't mean you weren't rewarded for working harder either...
 
2013-09-17 03:41:22 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Jorn the Younger:  Don't forget about the tripling of worker efficiency thanks to technology, so one person now does the work of three, for less pay.


But-b-b-but liberals love science!

It's the ignorant, conservative businessmen who are opposed to it.



Liberals are interested in science because it can be used to increase knowledge and help people.
Corporations are interested in science because it can be used to increase profits and help executives and shareholders.


One of these things is not like the other.
 
2013-09-17 03:44:52 PM

EWreckedSean: Because keeping garbage cans empty and bathrooms clean equates to more work than keeping a business running and thousands of people employed?


We have had a notion in this country since it's inception, a throwback to our English class system heritage, that people who work with  their hands are yobs, inconsequential, failures and not as "good" as the people with clean fingernails and their mortgage in their pocket.  And they sure as sh*t milked it, those well scrubbed and suited cocksuckers.  And we let them.  I got an idea.  Everybody go on e-bay or to a goodwill and buy a suit or a dress that fits.  Wear them.  Every day.  Watch the FOX news crowd blame it on some communiss conspiracy.  *snort*
 
2013-09-17 03:49:16 PM

Joe Blowme: So he wasn't elected in 2008? I voted in a fake election? Damn, they went through a lot of work and cash to make it seem real.


Maybe you should brush up on how this whole "president" thing works. See, they're "elected" or chosen in the first week of November of an election year, but they don't actually take office (as in "become president") until the third week of January of the following year. It's like trying to blame you for an apartment fire in the complex you've signed the lease for but won't move into for another month.

Of course that little tidbit of info has never stopped the FW:FW:FW: group from blaming the current president for all the bad sh*t that went on well before January 20th, 2009. These morons have to break a sweat to remember what month it is.
 
2013-09-17 03:55:45 PM

Nutsac_Jim: I certainly recognize that other people see things differently than me. Quite simply, they are wrong.


you had some great points in this thread...i agreed with you about the rent.

but it's statements like i quoted where you lose legitimacy.  and that's a shame.
 
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