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2013-09-17 12:21:07 PM
Let's see who makes stuff.   China.

Let's see who doesn't.  Us.

Let's see who's economy is growing and who's economy is imploding.   Ha ha.

When a very small collection of people legislates the endless support of the crappy IOUs they print, in the form of their sweat equity from the people who need them to survive, you can farm out the process of creating wealth to some flat on it's ass banana farm, get the products for pennies, sell them to the people who are carrying your debt for you for 3000% profit and all you have to do is make sure that they have to kiss your ass rosy to get their hands on enough of the Monopoly money your political shills have helped you stuff up your ass in order to keep buying it.  We're a nation of honey boo boo serfs chasing a printout of a carrot on a platinum stick.  Money is debt and debt is a shackle and we're carrying all the debt for every billionaire in the country.  They have no debt.  They have gov assured debt notes from a gov that c can assure nothing because that gov is bankrupt.  We're holding markers for the people who never pay them off.
 
2013-09-17 12:22:10 PM

marsoft: Yes, but not all processes that create something are manufacturing.  Art is not manufacturing, Cinema is not manufacturing, porn is not manufacturing.  Software engineering is not manufacturing.


If you can pick up the result of the process and hold it in your hands, yeah, it is.
 
2013-09-17 12:23:13 PM

Kittypie070: [crawls into bunner's lap, shivering]


*Blankets the kitty*  Sit by the heater.  That's what the heater is for.
 
2013-09-17 12:24:21 PM

stir22: Jobs that used to pay a living wage just dont anymore. I know and love people who make 8.50 an hour and are supposed to make ends meet on that. Food, shelter, gas insurance, etc. Couple that with t ...

EXACTLY.  you are much more eloquent than am i.   well-said.



If they chose to not stay in school and learn some knowledge, and also chose to not learn a marketable trade, then they deserve 8.50 an hour.

If you go out whoring at night and never use protection, then you deserve to get herpes.  That is the logical result of your action.
 
Ant
2013-09-17 12:25:57 PM

Nutsac_Jim: People are paid exactly what they are worth


Bullshiat. If the vast majority of people are willing to work for a wage that barely allows them to sustain life, guess what? You're screwed. It's a race to the bottom.
 
2013-09-17 12:26:20 PM

bunner: marsoft: Yes, but not all processes that create something are manufacturing.  Art is not manufacturing, Cinema is not manufacturing, porn is not manufacturing.  Software engineering is not manufacturing.

If you can pick up the result of the process and hold it in your hands, yeah, it is.


OK, to clarify, in the analysis that governments and other organisations undertake, they do not consider these industries to be manufacturing.  Thus, if I was to agree with you, and I will for the sake of this.  Estimates of actual manufacturing in the west are simply wrong, that goes for people employed in manufacturing as well as manufacturing output.

Also, even ignoring this, manufacturing output has continued an upward trend in the west, while employment in what I will call "traditional" manufacturing has declined.  This trend really started in the 1980s, and is due more to automation than offshoring of jobs.
 
2013-09-17 12:26:34 PM
Money is one more thing we created to serve human beings.  Every time we do that, some pack of dolts get whatever that thing is we created to serve human beings, sort of the point of any species, and scrape it into a big pile and say "Now you have to serve us, and therefore, serve that which was created to serve everybody, or you're f*cked".  Lazy, cheap, cowardly, nasty little pricks - the avaricious.
 
Ant
2013-09-17 12:27:35 PM

Nutsac_Jim: If everyone gets together and decides they wont sell it for less than 75, the book is worth 75.  It is absolutely worth 75.


OMG! Socialism! You're talking about collective bargaining!
 
2013-09-17 12:28:39 PM
I was always happy to do my job well and pursue my many other interests that didn't include trying to hoover up money at all times.  I couldn't care less about vast sums of wealth, because I don't need extra houses, jet skis, Ferraris, mistresses, arsenals, face-lifts, ball-washers, what-have-you.  But now it's like in
Alice in Wonderland where she had to run faster and faster just to stand still.  Have it, biatches.  I'll just try to hang on until the welcome release of death.
Always wonder what they see in too much green paper.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:07 PM

Ant: Nutsac_Jim: If everyone gets together and decides they wont sell it for less than 75, the book is worth 75.  It is absolutely worth 75.

OMG! Socialism! You're talking about collective bargaining!


Or price fixing if it is done by a business.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:45 PM

marsoft: OK, to clarify, in the analysis that governments and other organisations undertake, they do not consider these industries to be manufacturing.


Let me be up front.  I am of the opinion that all of the gymnastic nomenclature, pedantry an authoritarian "those who run things have asserted" malarkey is a con of epic proportions, a wank in a well appointed manse and is largely in place to keep people from keeping track of which walnut shell the pea is under.  Udder, overwrought, harrumphing from a pack of spunk trumpets with a single agenda of rigging the game.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:48 PM

Ant: Nutsac_Jim: People are paid exactly what they are worth

Bullshiat. If the vast majority of people are willing to work for a wage that barely allows them to sustain life, guess what? You're screwed. It's a race to the bottom.


Then that is what they are worth.

They can either
a> eat less
b> get a roommate
c> team up with all the other workers and refuse to work for less money.

each of those will help with the bottom line at the end of the month.  better yet, do more than one.   Dont buy spinners.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:57 PM

marsoft: sufferpuppet: bunner: marsoft: People are paid what they will accept, influenced by what others will accept

And it better be a damn sight lower than your poor ass thinks it should be, cause there's a 1,000 serfs waiting in line to do it for less.

The economy is global now.  If you want to manufacture something you'd better be willing to make it cheaper than the guy in china can make it and ship it here.  You are in direct competition with millions, not thousands.

Why does everyone go back to manufacturing in these arguments?  Manufacturing jobs have and will continue to decline as production increases.  Manufacturing as the basic job was a 20th century blip.


True, but that seems to be the golden standard everyone wants the country to go back to.  Bob worked in factory X and everything was wonderful.  It was just like leave it to beaver.  Life should have stayed that way forever.  It's the republican/democrat/union/rich/chinese/lazy fault that american ideal was ruinified.  

Times change, everyone will need to adapt.
 
2013-09-17 12:32:06 PM

sufferpuppet: It's the republican/democrat/union/rich/chinese/lazy fault that american ideal was ruinified.


Oh, it's way worse than that.  America never existed.  America was a business plan.  And it worked.  And they're busting the joint out and moving the store.
 
2013-09-17 12:33:28 PM
Possible solutions.

1.  Public financing of campaigns.  (Right now, it's pretty much only rich people who can run for office)
2.  Increased unionization.
3.  Tax capital gains like any other income (I'm willing to compromise at 35-45k of capital gains income not taxed at all, because that might promote social mobility)
4.  Single payer health care.
5.  Much tighter regulation of corporate board structures and compensation schemes.
6.  Actually enforce anti-trust law.
 
2013-09-17 12:33:40 PM

bunner: Udder, utter overwrought, harrumphing from a pack of spunk trumpets with a single agenda of rigging the game.


FIFM.  No cows were pestered in the making of this post.
 
2013-09-17 12:34:08 PM

bunner: marsoft: OK, to clarify, in the analysis that governments and other organisations undertake, they do not consider these industries to be manufacturing.

Let me be up front.  I am of the opinion that all of the gymnastic nomenclature, pedantry an authoritarian "those who run things have asserted" malarkey is a con of epic proportions, a wank in a well appointed manse and is largely in place to keep people from keeping track of which walnut shell the pea is under.  Udder, overwrought, harrumphing from a pack of spunk trumpets with a single agenda of rigging the game.


So to translate your long winded assertion.  You disagree with me.
 
2013-09-17 12:34:21 PM

Magnanimous_J: I think he's being facetious, but that is an interesting point. How should we define wealth? I'm definitely middle class. Last night I bought a pretty decent steak from the grocery store for about 5 bucks. That equates to about 10 minutes of work (before taxes). My electricity costs about I hour of work per month. My student loan payment is about 3 hours of work per month. Given that these middle class essentials are NOT a financial burden, how is taxing the rich more going to help me out?


My electricity bill was 350-400 bucks last month. If you make that in an hour, you are no longer middle class, bub.
 
2013-09-17 12:34:26 PM

Nutsac_Jim: stir22: Jobs that used to pay a living wage just dont anymore. I know and love people who make 8.50 an hour and are supposed to make ends meet on that. Food, shelter, gas insurance, etc. Couple that with t ...

EXACTLY.  you are much more eloquent than am i.   well-said.


If they chose to not stay in school and learn some knowledge, and also chose to not learn a marketable trade, then they deserve 8.50 an hour.

If you go out whoring at night and never use protection, then you deserve to get herpes.  That is the logical result of your action.


ummmm.......i know a WHOLE LOT of college grads delivering pizzas and doing other such jobs.......and no, not just ones with liberal arts degrees.
 
2013-09-17 12:34:47 PM
Hard work might not always lead to success, but inaction (and whining) will always lead to failure.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-09-17 12:34:54 PM

Cowboy Spencer: 1.  Public financing of campaigns.  (Right now, it's pretty much only rich people who can run for office)


Ever wonder why somebody would beg, borrow, mooch and cadge tens of millions of dollars to land a 400,000.00 a year temp civil service job?
 
2013-09-17 12:35:19 PM

Nutsac_Jim: stir22: Jobs that used to pay a living wage just dont anymore. I know and love people who make 8.50 an hour and are supposed to make ends meet on that. Food, shelter, gas insurance, etc. Couple that with t ...

EXACTLY.  you are much more eloquent than am i.   well-said.


If they chose to not stay in school and learn some knowledge, and also chose to not learn a marketable trade, then they deserve 8.50 an hour.

If you go out whoring at night and never use protection, then you deserve to get herpes.  That is the logical result of your action.


Yeah! Just be like me. Went to college, graduated circa 2008, and there were few jobs. So on to grad school. Now about to finish with a PhD and now what? Onward to postdoc, paying not-a-whole-freakin-lot. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to START a real career paying more than 40k by the time I'm 35-40.

And no, not a degree in "underwater basketweaving". In a real hard science. Actually, it's a mix of 3 of the 4 initials in STEM. Which is awesome, since STEM jobs will be in demand forever.
Right?
RIGHT????
 
2013-09-17 12:35:57 PM

bunner: Let's see who makes stuff.   China.

Let's see who doesn't.  Us.

Let's see who's economy is growing and who's economy is imploding.   Ha ha.

When a very small collection of people legislates the endless support of the crappy IOUs they print, in the form of their sweat equity from the people who need them to survive, you can farm out the process of creating wealth to some flat on it's ass banana farm, get the products for pennies, sell them to the people who are carrying your debt for you for 3000% profit and all you have to do is make sure that they have to kiss your ass rosy to get their hands on enough of the Monopoly money your political shills have helped you stuff up your ass in order to keep buying it.  We're a nation of honey boo boo serfs chasing a printout of a carrot on a platinum stick.  Money is debt and debt is a shackle and we're carrying all the debt for every billionaire in the country.  They have no debt.  They have gov assured debt notes from a gov that c can assure nothing because that gov is bankrupt.  We're holding markers for the people who never pay them off.


agree.    so, where does it end?  how does it end?
 
2013-09-17 12:36:26 PM

marsoft: Nutsac_Jim: marsoft: Nutsac_Jim: PunGent:

The workers get a paycheck, don't they?  They are paid what they are worth. Your communist dogma is nothing more then a weak rationalization to steal - says a lot about your character.  I'm guessing you must be an atheist.

See that bold part?  You failed right there.  Logical fallacy, indicative of suffering from the Just World delusion.

 People are paid exactly what they are worth.  If they don't like it, they can go work for a competitor who will easily see they are such a great value.

Slightly wrong.  People are paid what they will accept, influenced by what others will accept.  Worth is not an absolute.

What the hell does that mean.

If you take your comic book in to sell it, it is worth what someone will give you for it.  Its not worth some other value one wants.
If 100 other sellers are willing to accept 50$ for the same book, the book is worth 50$.

If everyone gets together and decides they wont sell it for less than 75, the book is worth 75.  It is absolutely worth 75.

Not if nobody will buy at 75.  Supply and demand.  It required agreement from both sides.


You are right.  I omitted that you eventually have the sale at 75.  Assuming you arent selling smegma, you will get it eventually.
Its even better for labor.  Nobody HAS to buy a comic book.   Businesses need workers though.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:17 PM

marsoft: So to translate your long winded assertion.  You disagree with me.


So, to give you one last response to your endless dismissive posturing, it didn't need translating, it wasn't long winded and I think it's time you starting trying to piss from a great height on somebody without an umbrella.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:25 PM
Nutsac_Jim: I'm sure you bought you house and car WITH CASH.

Yes, I did. Funny things happen when you save money. It grows into a bigger pile.


You're a farking liar.
 
2013-09-17 12:38:59 PM

stir22: agree.    so, where does it end?  how does it end?


Historically?  Badly.  See, despite the avuncular assertions of a failed B actor sock puppet president, greed is not good.  And I'm talking big picture, all nine innings not good.
 
2013-09-17 12:40:06 PM

Zeno-25: lordaction: dready zim: lordaction: Typical liberals wanting to steal money from the people that earned it.

You mean the workers? Not the business owners? The workers did all the work, it`s sort of how they are defined...

Do you think someone earned the money who wasn`t the person who did the work? How does that work?

The workers get a paycheck, don't they?  They are paid what they are worth.  Your communist dogma is nothing more then a weak rationalization to steal - says a lot about your character.  I'm guessing you must be an atheist.

Actually, the main feature of capitalism is that workers aren't paid the full value of their labor. The people at the top live off of the surplus value created when workers are not paid the full market value of the end good/service they produce. Exploitation is a feature of capitalism, not a bug.


Let me know when you take out a mortgage on your house so you can start a business, and then only take the same pay as the lowest paid employee. .Now, it is not unheard of for a business owner to take $0 short term, to keep the business running.  I'm talking long term.  You are never allowed to take home,ever, for your efforts, than your lowest paid employee
 
2013-09-17 12:40:54 PM

Nutsac_Jim: marsoft: Nutsac_Jim: marsoft: Nutsac_Jim: PunGent:

The workers get a paycheck, don't they?  They are paid what they are worth. Your communist dogma is nothing more then a weak rationalization to steal - says a lot about your character.  I'm guessing you must be an atheist.

See that bold part?  You failed right there.  Logical fallacy, indicative of suffering from the Just World delusion.

 People are paid exactly what they are worth.  If they don't like it, they can go work for a competitor who will easily see they are such a great value.

Slightly wrong.  People are paid what they will accept, influenced by what others will accept.  Worth is not an absolute.

What the hell does that mean.

If you take your comic book in to sell it, it is worth what someone will give you for it.  Its not worth some other value one wants.
If 100 other sellers are willing to accept 50$ for the same book, the book is worth 50$.

If everyone gets together and decides they wont sell it for less than 75, the book is worth 75.  It is absolutely worth 75.

Not if nobody will buy at 75.  Supply and demand.  It required agreement from both sides.

You are right.  I omitted that you eventually have the sale at 75.  Assuming you arent selling smegma, you will get it eventually.
Its even better for labor.  Nobody HAS to buy a comic book.   Businesses need workers though.


The thing is if businesses get together and agree prices is it called price fixing and is illegal.  If workers to the same it is called collective bargaining and is legal.  I actually agree with this differentiation, but when laid out bare like that it is very hard to justify my support.
 
2013-09-17 12:41:28 PM

Nutsac_Jim: stir22: Jobs that used to pay a living wage just dont anymore. I know and love people who make 8.50 an hour and are supposed to make ends meet on that. Food, shelter, gas insurance, etc. Couple that with t ...

EXACTLY.  you are much more eloquent than am i.   well-said.


If they chose to not stay in school and learn some knowledge, and also chose to not learn a marketable trade, then they deserve 8.50 an hour.

If you go out whoring at night and never use protection, then you deserve to get herpes.  That is the logical result of your action.


Christ, if you can't see anything beyond "Country Mouse, City Mouse" you really arent worth arguing with. Disregard my previous statement calling you an outrageous liar, even though you are.
 
2013-09-17 12:42:15 PM

bunner: Cowboy Spencer: 1.  Public financing of campaigns.  (Right now, it's pretty much only rich people who can run for office)

Ever wonder why somebody would beg, borrow, mooch and cadge tens of millions of dollars to land a 400,000.00 a year temp civil service job?


Worked out great for Clinton.

Over the course of the next ten years after his Presidency, Clinton brought in roughly $8-10 million a year in speaking fees. In 2004, Clinton got $250,000 from Citigroup and $150,000 from Deutsche Bank. Goldman paid him $300,000 for two speeches, one in Paris. As the bubble peaked, in 2006, Clinton got $150,000 paydays each from Citigroup (twice), Lehman Brothers, the Mortgage Bankers Association, and the National Association of Realtors. In 2007, it was Goldman again, twice, Lehman, Citigroup, and Merrill Lynch.

All he had to do was destroy the middle class by enabling the end of American manufacturing jobs through NAFTA and permanent Most Favored Nation status for China.

Then he killed what was left of Glass Steagall.

Then he prevented the head of the CFTC from regulating derivatives.

Look how richly he was rewarded for serving his wealthy masters.
 
2013-09-17 12:44:35 PM

bunner: Let's see who makes stuff.   China.

Let's see who doesn't.  Us.

Let's see who's economy is growing and who's economy is imploding.   Ha ha.


A simple and elegant truth. No amount of statistic manipulation and ideology can overcome this fact. Manufacturing is the bedrock of a countries wealth. The only way to get back on top is to return to a base of manufacturing. Raise taxes, lower taxes, raise welfare, lower welfare, provide housing for all or round the poors into camps and gas them, it won't make a drop of different in terms of wealth. Until we return to making a thing for 5 dollars and selling to someone in another country for 10, we won't be creating any more wealth in America.

Buying all our plastic garbage from China does nothing more than give a chunk to the Waltons and the rest goes out of the American financial ecosystem forever. Any commerce between Americans is just water swirling around the drain a couple times before disappearing into the hole in the floor.
 
2013-09-17 12:44:39 PM

BullBearMS: bunner: Cowboy Spencer: 1.  Public financing of campaigns.  (Right now, it's pretty much only rich people who can run for office)

Ever wonder why somebody would beg, borrow, mooch and cadge tens of millions of dollars to land a 400,000.00 a year temp civil service job?

Worked out great for Clinton.

Over the course of the next ten years after his Presidency, Clinton brought in roughly $8-10 million a year in speaking fees. In 2004, Clinton got $250,000 from Citigroup and $150,000 from Deutsche Bank. Goldman paid him $300,000 for two speeches, one in Paris. As the bubble peaked, in 2006, Clinton got $150,000 paydays each from Citigroup (twice), Lehman Brothers, the Mortgage Bankers Association, and the National Association of Realtors. In 2007, it was Goldman again, twice, Lehman, Citigroup, and Merrill Lynch.

All he had to do was destroy the middle class by enabling the end of American manufacturing jobs through NAFTA and permanent Most Favored Nation status for China.

Then he killed what was left of Glass Steagall.

Then he prevented the head of the CFTC from regulating derivatives.

Look how richly he was rewarded for serving his wealthy masters.


that's what i was looking for.....thanks.  that's why i'm convinced that both political parties are just trolling us.
 
2013-09-17 12:44:45 PM

Nutsac_Jim: So.. what you are saying is that it might actually make more sense to rent.  That way, when the company lays everyone off, you are not stuck with a huge albatross of a mortgage payment.  You can also move to where the jobs are now located, instead of being anchored down with your new property.  Oh, and when the AC breaks, you just call the landlord, instead of getting a home depot credit card to put the new 8500 AC unit on it.   (assuming the AC breaks right after you get shiattcanned, so HomeDepot doesnt know yet)


None of this even makes any sense. There aren't just jobs anywhere anyone wants one, any time, people, particularly the less well to do, can't just up and move any time it suits them, money into a mortgage, properly leveraged, still results in an investment, rent is wealth squandered, never to add to your wealth or lifestyle. And your final comment seemed to be you now advocating defaulting on debt. Having looked at your various responses over the course of this thread, it seems you're combining trolling with being poorly informed and lazy, all towards the ends of trying to dismiss anyone disenfranchised by the economy. That doesn't strike me as a good use of your time.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:02 PM

bunner: marsoft: So to translate your long winded assertion.  You disagree with me.

So, to give you one last response to your endless dismissive posturing, it didn't need translating, it wasn't long winded and I think it's time you starting trying to piss from a great height on somebody without an umbrella.


Interesting how you waffle, use the biggest words you can thing of and use creative imagery to simply say, "I disagree with you" and then claim it is not long winded.

Keep on having fun with the imagery and attacking the person rather than what they are saying.  Well done, you are the soul of Fark.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:24 PM

marsoft: The thing is if businesses get together and agree prices is it called price fixing and is illegal


SOmebody needs to tell gas stations that.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:29 PM

BullBearMS: Look how richly he was rewarded for serving his wealthy masters.


They all are.  Hence the implied irony of "civil service job"
 
2013-09-17 12:47:56 PM

Madbassist1: marsoft: The thing is if businesses get together and agree prices is it called price fixing and is illegal

SOmebody needs to tell gas stations that.


Yes they do!
 
2013-09-17 12:48:26 PM

Madbassist1: Magnanimous_J: I think he's being facetious, but that is an interesting point. How should we define wealth? I'm definitely middle class. Last night I bought a pretty decent steak from the grocery store for about 5 bucks. That equates to about 10 minutes of work (before taxes). My electricity costs about I hour of work per month. My student loan payment is about 3 hours of work per month. Given that these middle class essentials are NOT a financial burden, how is taxing the rich more going to help me out?

My electricity bill was 350-400 bucks last month. If you make that in an hour, you are no longer middle class, bub.


I do live in an modern apartment building with concrete walls and no AC, but 400 bucks? Holy crap! How many swimming pools do you have at your house?
 
2013-09-17 12:50:21 PM

marsoft: Interesting how you waffle, use the biggest words you can thing of and use creative imagery to simply say, "I disagree with you" and then claim it is not long winded.


Interesting how you endlessly try and foist off some sort dime store assessment of my contributions to support your obviously unimpeachable superiority.  P.S.  I actually speak English.  Get out your big word clicker.  And make the next one count, puddin', cause it's going to the mods.  So basically, stop pestering me with your snotty BS because it makes you look like you have nothing to say until I do.  And it's embarrassing.
 
2013-09-17 12:50:35 PM
 Madbassist1: Nutsac_Jim: I'm sure you bought you house and car WITH CASH.

Yes, I did. Funny things happen when you save money. It grows into a bigger pile.

You're a farking liar.


Please.   I paid cash for my car and paid cash for my land.    I haven't build the house yet, simply because I don't want a mortgage
where if I cant pay for 4 months, the effing bank comes and takes it.
 
2013-09-17 12:52:13 PM

bunner: marsoft: Interesting how you waffle, use the biggest words you can thing of and use creative imagery to simply say, "I disagree with you" and then claim it is not long winded.

Interesting how you endlessly try and foist off some sort dime store assessment of my contributions to support your obviously unimpeachable superiority.  P.S.  I actually speak English.  Get out your big word clicker.  And make the next one count, puddin', cause it's going to the mods.  So basically, stop pestering me with your snotty BS because it makes you look like you have nothing to say until I do.  And it's embarrassing.


Mod away.  You are the one who is repeatedly attacking me rather than what I am saying.  Have fun with that.
 
2013-09-17 12:52:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: What personal responsibilities did people abdicate that these people took advantage of to accumulate wealth?


For starters, they didn't accumulate, they inherited.

They are working very hard to not pay taxes, not pay employees, clean up messes after they've made them, working diligently to destroy whatever shreds of democracy are left in this country through super pacs like ALEC buying politicians... you know, common human decency stuff.
 
2013-09-17 12:53:23 PM
So we are still blaming Reagan and Bush(s)? Wow - just wow.
 
2013-09-17 12:53:48 PM
Madbassist1:  

Christ, if you can't see anything beyond "Country Mouse, City Mouse" you really arent worth arguing with. Disregard my previous statement calling you an outrageous liar, even though you are.

I'm sorry you cant defeat the logic of a fable.  Stay in school.   Enjoy your mortgage .
 
2013-09-17 12:54:16 PM

Madbassist1: marsoft: The thing is if businesses get together and agree prices is it called price fixing and is illegal

SOmebody needs to tell gas stations that.


tou-farking-che.
 
2013-09-17 12:55:13 PM

marsoft: You are the one who is repeatedly attacking me


marsoft: Interesting how you waffle, use the biggest words you can thing of


marsoft: So to translate your long winded assertion.


marsoft: I am saying your posting was redundant


I've seen this movie with the original cast.  Are you through yet?  I'll bet a million dollars you're not.
 
2013-09-17 12:56:27 PM

bunner: marsoft: You are the one who is repeatedly attacking me

marsoft: Interesting how you waffle, use the biggest words you can thing of

marsoft: So to translate your long winded assertion.

marsoft: I am saying your posting was redundant

I've seen this movie with the original cast.  Are you through yet?  I'll bet a million dollars you're not.


You know it takes two people to keep this going.  Are you through yet?
 
2013-09-17 12:56:56 PM

Realist29: So we are still blaming Reagan and Bush(s)? Wow - just wow.


It is a very useful notion that people who are hired to break things that take decades to finally break are somehow absolved as soon as somebody else gets hired.  that's why we're allowed to vote for the new scapegoat.
 
2013-09-17 12:58:13 PM

marsoft: You know it takes two people to keep this going.  Are you through yet?


Oh, I get it.  Sorry. You're a "last word" troll.  Hit it, Petunia.  :  )
 
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