dittybopper: Fano: Carousel Beast: dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them....Basically, I was saying (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) that the Air Force isn't a real military service.
RIP Cobra Rattler
Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.fly-fighter-jet.com image 560x340]Hai Guyz! What's goin' on in this thread?When F22 Raptors show up, everyone bugs out. EVERYONE.
Shrugging Atlas: Mock26: And, Yes, the A-10 is probably more effective than all of those other weapons I mentioned, but that was not my point. My point is that the Army is still fully capable of taking out enemy tanks without help from the Air Force. The Air Force just makes it a lot easier for them!So in trying to make a case for getting rid of the A-10 you just opt to ignore the single most important reason for keeping it?"Hey, I know the A-10 excels in its role as a close air support and anti-armor platform, but here's a pile of alternatives that range from 'not an option because they no longer are in the arsenal' to 'shiatty.' That's not terribly convincing. Why don't you just list entire platoons of infantry equipped with nothing but SMAWs to bum rush the armor. They can kill tanks too!
Valiente: You can't run an empire with hand puppets, 'Murica.
Kittypie070: 2wolves: ModeratelyProfane: Newer isn't always better, chum.Kabar, as one example.I need someone to teach me how to fight with a Kabar. I has one and I love the thing dearly.
netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.When this story first hit fark, I'm pretty sure I saw one comment that said "USMC: We'll take'em."Well.... that is a very grunty thing to say. Oooo Rah! Get down there on the deck and fly slow and GUN baby !!"You want those enemy troops to hear it coming..."so they can turn the AAA on you. And shoot an SA7 up the pipe and you flip over and nose in....Great system you got there sport....Let's look at the results: From the GW1A-10 kills:More than 900 Iraqi tanksmore than 2,000 other military vehiclesestimated 1,200 artillery piecesA-10s also shot down two Iraqi helicopters with the GAU-8 cannon. The first of these was shot down by Captain Robert Swain over Kuwait on 6 February 1991, marking the A-10's first air-to-air victory.Total A-10 losses: Seven. Four were shot down in combat, 3 returned to base, but were written off due to the heavy damage they took.So, yeah, My stupid plan...isn't my stupid plan....It's the USAF's and it lead to the A-10 being the single most effective combat aircraft during Desert Storm.Sport.Desert Storm was 20 years ago... sorry, but time has passed you by...sportYou know what else was fantastic? Battleships, 8" towed guns, A-1 skyraiders
Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:[defense-update.com image 480x268]
jankyboy: [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 600x328]RIP Cobra Rattler
LesserEvil: Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:[defense-update.com image 480x268]Yeah, ultimately, drones will replace the ground attack role of the A-10. Less risk, less infrastructure (which is what cutting entire fleets is really about), and they can be deployed anywhere in the world - places you absolutely cannot risk having a human being taken prisoner.They are cheaper to build, cheaper to fly, cheaper to deploy, cheaper to maintain. Their weapons systems get the job done with laser precision. A 30mm Vulcan cannon is awesome to watch, but a hellfire missile will get the job done just as well, without wasting a lot of ammo.
Detinwolf: The flying gun! Who doesn't like an A-10?
Carousel Beast: Really dude? I like mocking the chair force as much as the next guy, but come on.
Publikwerks: BigBooper: Publikwerks: But I don't see the United States fighting a traditional land war in the future.So we will never become involved in another land war?It must be nice to live in a reality where nothing ever changes.Oh wait, it does, but mindsets like yours are why we always seem to start wars prepared to fight the last one.Wait wait wait.... YOU are saying that I am the one "prepared to fight the last one. " when I'm advocating moving away from a plane designed to fight the war of the cold war to a plane designed to fight insurgencies???Really?
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