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2013-09-17 12:12:20 PM

netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders


The United States still has towed artillery.
 
2013-09-17 12:13:13 PM

dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.

Yeah, but the Air Force never liked the A-10.  They've been trying to get rid of it for decades, it's just that there really is nothing to replace it.  And they don't *WANT* to replace it, because low and slow ground attack isn't sexy.  Problem is, it's absolutely a vital function, and because of the various agreements, the Army can't have it's own fixed-wing attack aircraft.  So the Air Force gets stuck doing a job it doesn't really want, with aircraft it doesn't really want, but it can't relinquish that role to the actual military because if it does, it loses influence.


Hmm obviously you've ever heard of the F-35A Lighting II which makes the A-10 literally like your grandfather's plane. The F-35 is actually going to replace the A-10/F-16 in ground attack and CAS role.
 
2013-09-17 12:15:24 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.


Just for the record we also have ships and planes.


...just less of them
 
2013-09-17 12:17:21 PM

Clemkadidlefark: If they go to salvage, I want an A-10 for the ranch out here.


Yeah, I wouldn't mind one for the backyard. I'll solve that squirrel problem once and for all!
 
2013-09-17 12:18:27 PM

LesserEvil: As I just stated above, the Global Hawk is big enough to deploy some beefy weapons payloads - at the expense of range


Have you ever really looked at pictures of it.

Where would they put them?


LesserEvil: Radio signals can be jammed, sure... but that isn't as simple as it sounds. If you can do that against a human pilot, he's worthless, since he cannot confirm targets and engage on his own (or at least shouldn't be able to).


You should read up on CAS.


LesserEvil: UAV pilots can get a coffee or take a bio-break. UAV pilots don't require parajumpers on standby. UAV pilots can be relieved after 8 hours of flying to go take a nap. UAV pilots aren't susceptible to high-G forces or hypoxia


You have some good points here, but I don't think we are there yet for them to replace the A-10.
 
2013-09-17 12:23:18 PM

AFKobel: All I know is when I call in the Warthog, it only takes three passes at the map.  It gets a good amount of kills, but come on people, you need take more than three runs at the map to turn the tide.  I'm on a team of morons!


My problem is that when the other team calls it in those three passes get minimum 5 kills a pass.  When I call it in I get 3 passes and 3/4 of the kills are TKs.

I think the pilots are against me.
 
2013-09-17 12:23:20 PM

quantum_csc: Couldn't this serve in place of the A-10?

[community.warplanes.com image 850x637]


No...it will never take the enemy fire the way an A-10.
God Damn flying bath tubs.....but good god they can take and dish out a beating.
If you have never experienced this piece of hardware in action.....then shut your dirty whore mouth.

Saw one up close and personal cut a tank in 1/2.........

They are amazing.....

When it is lives in the balance and close up ground pounding is needed....accept no substitutes.

The helo is great....but it will not take over and do what the A-10 does....it doesnt have the guns carrying capacity or the abuse taking capacity. You can literally shoot the hell out of it.....it still flies....and those who confront it ..... DIE.
 
2013-09-17 12:23:48 PM

netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.

Just for the record we also have ships and planes.


...just less of them


bayonets and horses
 
2013-09-17 12:23:59 PM

netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.

Just for the record we also have ships and planes.


...just less of them


We have less of them because what we have now is more accurate.  We have guided munitions that can hit the broadside of a barn at +40 kms without painting the target.  Same capibility as WWII, Korea, Vietnam, without a loss of effectiveness.  You cannot say that about the options to replace the A-10.

Slightly off the subject, does your fark handle have anything to do with you job? Vis-a-vis NR-KPPs?
 
2013-09-17 12:25:41 PM

LesserEvil: s for your assertion that drones are lacking because they don't have human eyes - how do you think missile systems are targeting these days? Most aerial combat situations engage completely out of sight. About the only thing the pilot is involved with is getting a threat tone, lock tone, and pulling a trigger.


The close air support the A-10 excels in isn't hitting a laser designated target hundreds of yards away from a hidden team.  Tomahawks and F/A-18s and such can take care of those.  They aren't the threats that the A-10 handles better than the competition.  Rather, it's true close air support for ground units.  Picking out targets that are dozens of yards away from friendly forces and providing precision support while having a variety of weapons at their disposal depending on the circumstance.  A single missile is not nearly as effective at suppression as a barrage of high caliber gatling cannon fire, and combat suppression is a huge part of close air support
 
2013-09-17 12:25:53 PM

SuperNinjaToad: dittybopper: Yeah, but the Air Force never liked the A-10.  They've been trying to get rid of it for decades, it's just that there really is nothing to replace it.  And they don't *WANT* to replace it, because low and slow ground attack isn't sexy.  Problem is, it's absolutely a vital function, and because of the various agreements, the Army can't have it's own fixed-wing attack aircraft.  So the Air Force gets stuck doing a job it doesn't really want, with aircraft it doesn't really want, but it can't relinquish that role to the actual military because if it does, it loses influence.

Hmm obviously you've ever heard of the F-35A Lighting II which makes the A-10 literally like your grandfather's plane. The F-35 is actually going to replace the A-10/F-16 in ground attack and CAS role.


Lets continue your "grandfather" analogy.

Right now the F-35 is an all electric car, that is completely untested.
The A-10 is a well maintained classic with no mechanical problems.
The goal is driving across the US as quick as possible.

One day the F-35 may work for driving across the US, we aren't there yet.
 
2013-09-17 12:26:16 PM

Publikwerks: Smoky Dragon Dish: Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
[defense-update.com image 480x268]

You're kidding, right?

Nope.

Yes, it doesn't have GAU-8. Luckly, missiles can kill tanks, and the reaper can carry those.
Plus, it can loiter far longer than a A-10
Plus you don't have to worry about the pilot. If he gets shot down, he'll get out of his seat, and go get a coffee, not start trying to remeber his SERE training.

Tell me one thing the A-10 can do that a Reaper can't, other than take a beating?


Operate in an EMCON environment? Or an enemy jamming environment?
 
2013-09-17 12:27:47 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Hmm obviously you've ever heard of the F-35A Lighting II which makes the A-10 literally like your grandfather's plane. The F-35 is actually going to replace the A-10/F-16 in ground attack and CAS role.



We've heard of it. We've been hearing about it for most of a decade.
Is there any chance one might actually fly a mission sometime in the near future?
 
2013-09-17 12:28:17 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
www.darkgovernment.com www.sldinfo.com

This should put everyone's mind at ease.. no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable.
 
2013-09-17 12:30:12 PM

Gleeman: Publikwerks: Smoky Dragon Dish: Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
[defense-update.com image 480x268]

You're kidding, right?

Nope.

Yes, it doesn't have GAU-8. Luckly, missiles can kill tanks, and the reaper can carry those.
Plus, it can loiter far longer than a A-10
Plus you don't have to worry about the pilot. If he gets shot down, he'll get out of his seat, and go get a coffee, not start trying to remeber his SERE training.

Tell me one thing the A-10 can do that a Reaper can't, other than take a beating?

Operate in an EMCON environment? Or an enemy jamming environment?


React to something without having to wait for the signals to bounce off a couple of satellites?
 
2013-09-17 12:31:08 PM

SuperNinjaToad: no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable


If this is sarcasm, well done.
 
2013-09-17 12:31:40 PM

netcentric: Desert Storm was 20 years ago... sorry, but time has passed you by


We once thought that jets and missiles had made dogfighting irrelevant. That was before Korea. We were wrong.

Sometimes it's nice to hold onto what's perceived as old stuff, just so we can make sure the new thing is actually better.

Wasn't the M-16 on its 4th generation before the Marines gave up the BAR?
 
2013-09-17 12:33:08 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.


Fun fact: Markos Moulitsas, founder of Daily KOS, was an artillery specialist (MLRS/Lance Fire Direction Specialist), and served between 1989-92.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-17 12:34:17 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]
[www.darkgovernment.com image 368x259] [www.sldinfo.com image 720x540]

This should put everyone's mind at ease.. no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable.


And carries 100x less armor. And is 100x less capable of suppressing fire.

The JSF is a nice plane for GPS bombing from 30,000ft, not so much for mud pounding at 500ft.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:36 PM

liam76: SuperNinjaToad: no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable

If this is sarcasm, well done.


you do realize that F-35s are no longer in R & D and actualoperational fighters have been sent to active duty units right?
 
2013-09-17 12:36:44 PM
Smoky Dragon Dish: 
 ... You cannot say that about the options to replace the A-10.

Slightly off the subject, does your fark handle have anything to do with you job? Vis-a-vis NR-KPPs?



hehe...   the A-10 has aleady been replaced.    It just doesn't know it.


network centric warfare.  ( ie:  hangout with the JSTARs pukes for a week )
 
2013-09-17 12:43:07 PM

netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: 
 ... You cannot say that about the options to replace the A-10.

Slightly off the subject, does your fark handle have anything to do with you job? Vis-a-vis NR-KPPs?

hehe...   the A-10 has aleady been replaced.    It just doesn't know it.

network centric warfare.  ( ie:  hangout with the JSTARs pukes for a week )


Civilian or contractor?  Military?
 
2013-09-17 12:43:26 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]
[www.darkgovernment.com image 368x259] [www.sldinfo.com image 720x540]

This should put everyone's mind at ease.. no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable.


You must work for Lockheed...
 
2013-09-17 12:43:49 PM

Gleeman: SuperNinjaToad: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]
[www.darkgovernment.com image 368x259] [www.sldinfo.com image 720x540]

This should put everyone's mind at ease.. no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable.

And carries 100x less armor. And is 100x less capable of suppressing fire.

The JSF is a nice plane for GPS bombing from 30,000ft, not so much for mud pounding at 500ft.


not exactly true.. the AF's F-35A has the new GAU 12 gun with the Nammo 25mm Apex round that is more accurate than even the Gau-8.  It does carry less rounds than the A-10 however improved accuracy makes up for it.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:03 PM

dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.

Yeah, but the Air Force never liked the A-10.  They've been trying to get rid of it for decades, it's just that there really is nothing to replace it.  And they don't *WANT* to replace it, because low and slow ground attack isn't sexy.  Problem is, it's absolutely a vital function, and because of the various agreements, the Army can't have it's own fixed-wing attack aircraft. So the Air Force gets stuck doing a job it doesn't really want, with aircraft it doesn't really want, but it can't relinquish that role to the actual military because if it does, it loses influence.


Bullshiat!

upload.wikimedia.org

We got our own ships too.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-17 12:45:25 PM
Whose going to drop napalm in the middle of a couple of friendly platoons if we get rid of the A-10s?

/I wonder if they ever figured out which pilot dropped the napalm on Moore's troops or if they ever wanted to figure it out. Poor guy.
/"Charlie, call that SOB off of us. CALL HIM OFF!"
 
2013-09-17 12:46:46 PM

SuperNinjaToad: liam76: SuperNinjaToad: no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable

If this is sarcasm, well done.

you do realize that F-35s are no longer in R & D and actualoperational fighters have been sent to active duty units right?


Here's one at Eglin AFB:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d5268!2d-86.54514 2 !3d30.4804882!2m1!1e3&fid=7">https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!dat a=!1m4!1m3!1d5268!2d-86.545142 !3d30.4804882!2m1!1e3&fid=7
 
2013-09-17 12:47:52 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: 
 ... You cannot say that about the options to replace the A-10.

Slightly off the subject, does your fark handle have anything to do with you job? Vis-a-vis NR-KPPs?

hehe...   the A-10 has aleady been replaced.    It just doesn't know it.

network centric warfare.  ( ie:  hangout with the JSTARs pukes for a week )

Civilian or contractor?  Military?


COD MW2
Battlefield 3
+ Scouting (BSA)
 
2013-09-17 12:48:05 PM

Publikwerks: SuperNinjaToad: liam76: SuperNinjaToad: no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable

If this is sarcasm, well done.

you do realize that F-35s are no longer in R & D and actualoperational fighters have been sent to active duty units right?

Here's one at Eglin AFB:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d5268!2d-86.54514 2 !3d30.4804882!2m1!1e3&fid=7">https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!dat a=!1m4!1m3!1d5268!2d-86.545142 !3d30.4804882!2m1!1e3&fid=7


Try again:
http://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d5268!2d-86.54514 2! 3d30.4804882!2m1!1e3&fid=7
 
2013-09-17 12:48:27 PM

Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
[defense-update.com image 480x268]


I prefer the EM-50


www.websophist.com
 
2013-09-17 12:49:44 PM
Nevermind my second link, the first one is ugly but works.
 
2013-09-17 12:49:59 PM

maudibjr: I love watching the A-10's fly in the MD ANG.

A new long range bomber seems like the program to scrap


I have seen them fly up the bay before they are awesome. And they move slow enough so you can see them.
 
2013-09-17 12:50:12 PM

Publikwerks: BTW -I don't think the A-10 should be retired. I think it should be moved to the ANG. I think it's the perfect ANG plane.


The process of rotating them out of the ANG is on-going, I'm pretty sure in the direction of abandoning them altogether. At least here in Fort Smith, Arkansas.

In early 2012 the Air Force planned to realign the 188th Fighter Wing and replace its 20 A-10 aircraft, converting the 184th FS to operate the General Atomics [MQ-9 Reaper] remotely piloted aircraft (RPA).

The first two have already left. It is unclear if the MQ-9 will physically be here.
 
2013-09-17 12:51:10 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.


The one Janes' book I never got around to buying when I was younger was Jane's Book of Towed
Artillery.

Of course, when I first heard about it I thought it was Jane's book do TOAD Artillery, which brought an
image like this to mind:

b.vimeocdn.com

/Would love to meet this Jane.  She sounds like my kind of woman.
 
2013-09-17 12:51:22 PM

netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: Smoky Dragon Dish: 
 ... You cannot say that about the options to replace the A-10.

Slightly off the subject, does your fark handle have anything to do with you job? Vis-a-vis NR-KPPs?

hehe...   the A-10 has aleady been replaced.    It just doesn't know it.

network centric warfare.  ( ie:  hangout with the JSTARs pukes for a week )

Civilian or contractor?  Military?

COD MW2
Battlefield 3
+ Scouting (BSA)


ha ha.

/Favored
 
2013-09-17 12:53:32 PM

dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.

Yeah, but the Air Force never liked the A-10.  They've been trying to get rid of it for decades, it's just that there really is nothing to replace it.  And they don't *WANT* to replace it, because low and slow ground attack isn't sexy.  Problem is, it's absolutely a vital function, and because of the various agreements, the Army can't have it's own fixed-wing attack aircraft.  So the Air Force gets stuck doing a job it doesn't really want, with aircraft it doesn't really want, but it can't relinquish that role to the actual military because if it does, it loses influence.


The Apache Longbow is pretty damned impressive, and can do a lot, but I still think they are more complementary than redundant. I said it last time this was on here; Between the Stealth Fighter, the A-10, The Apache, and the Spectre Gunship, we don't need anything else for offensive firepower in our Air Force. Add in the Navy's carrier based force, and we really just need support and transport aircraft with those 2 planes and 1 helicopter.
 
2013-09-17 12:54:35 PM

maudibjr: I love watching the A-10's fly in the MD ANG.

A new long range bomber seems like the program to scrap


Yeah, why would we need a new long range bomber? Between Stealth Fighters that refuel in the air, and drones, we have all of the reach we need. Nothing, NOTHING, can take out armor like an A-10.
 
2013-09-17 12:55:23 PM

dittybopper: r liked the A-10. They've been trying to get rid of it for decades, it's just that there really is nothing to replace it. And they don't *WANT* to replace it, because low and slow ground attack isn't sexy. Problem is, it's absolutely a vital function, and because of the various agreements, the Army can't have it's own fixed-wing attack aircraft. So the Air Force gets stuck doing a job it doesn't really want, with aircraft it doesn't really want, but it can't relinquish that role to the actual military because if it does, it loses influence.


CAS dedicated ground attack aircraft should be flown by the army.
 
2013-09-17 12:57:31 PM

MadMattressMack: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.

FTFA: "Sources say the Army is interested in obtaining A-10s should the Air Force decide to retire the twin-engine jets, which have been flying since the 1970s."

Looks like the Army is saying we're sick of this shiat.


Aren't most of the A-10s that see any actual combat with the state-run Air National Guards and not US Air Force nor US Army?
 
2013-09-17 01:02:50 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: dittybopper: Fano: Carousel Beast: dittybopper: Barfmaker: Part of the problem is the elements are being set against each other, the Air Force wants to dump the A-10's because they know the Army will scream and then maybe they'll get some extra budget for it if they keep them.

...

Basically, I was saying (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) that the Air Force isn't a real military service.


How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!
If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do:
The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.
The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire.
The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter.
The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.



hahahaha, that's mah boyz, typical jarhead WAAAAUUGGH attitude :D

Would it be a bad or a good idea to turn the A-10s over to them, I wonder...?
 
2013-09-17 01:04:22 PM

yves0010: I did that all the time in Red Alert 2. Get the Anti Tank G.I.s and set them on a defensive line with regular G.I.s and you got a good Anti personnel and anti tank defense. Back them up with some anti air tanks and you're golden.


Hey, it works for me in Battlefield 3 now when I play an engineer.  Just chase those tanks down and hide behind a rubble pile while you reload your SMAW or RPG 2-3 times.  Hell, I'm calling the Joint Chiefs right now!
 
2013-09-17 01:04:41 PM

Son of Thunder: adragontattoo: jankyboy: [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 600x328]RIP Cobra Rattler

That was one of the main reasons I loved Cobra as a kid.

No kidding.  One of my first nerdgasms back in the day was when I found out that the Rattler is based on a real plane.
Young Me: "Holy poop, that cannon with wings EXISTS?!?"


the absolute coup de grace arrive when i played sierra's a-10 tank killer. even the documentation gave a wargasm with tidbits that the cannon has to be fired at a downward angle or else the plane would stall. a cannon that throws milkbottle sized depleted uranium slugs at like 1000/minute.
 
2013-09-17 01:05:05 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Smoky Dragon Dish: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: netcentric: ModeratelyProfane: ...In short; You don't need a sleek, sexy, stealthy CAS craft. You want those enemy troops to hear it coming, and immediately start shiatting themselves. The A-10, and the AC-130 have this effect. Plus it's paid for, so...added bonus.

...


You know what else was fantastic?   Battleships,  8" towed guns,  A-1 skyraiders

The United States still has towed artillery.

The one Janes' book I never got around to buying when I was younger was Jane's Book of Towed
Artillery.

Of course, when I first heard about it I thought it was Jane's book do TOAD Artillery, which brought an
image like this to mind:

[b.vimeocdn.com image 300x300]

/Would love to meet this Jane.  She sounds like my kind of woman.


Anytime I hear towed artillery, I think the same thing.
 
2013-09-17 01:05:18 PM

SuperNinjaToad: liam76: SuperNinjaToad: no worries A-10's replacement is100X more capable

If this is sarcasm, well done.

you do realize that F-35s are no longer in R & D and actualoperational fighters have been sent to active duty units right?


It is still in DT (OT maybe concurrent).
It hasn't employed most (if not all) ord in that diagram in flight in other than test capacity.
They have just begun the pilot training so non test pilots can fly it.
It hasn't seen any combat.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-31/combat-ready-dates-for-f-35- j ets-set-by-u-s-military.html

It is scheduled to be combat ready for the USAF in DEC 2016 and for the Navy in Feb 2019.

So until it has demonstrated those capabilities in combat I wouldn't be claiming there are no worries abotu it replacing the A-10 without sarcasm.
 
2013-09-17 01:05:42 PM

belhade: washington-babylon: Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, the A-10 replacement:
[defense-update.com image 480x268]


D'aww, look at you trying to be cute. That drone can't even begin to do what the Thunderbolt can do.

[i274.photobucket.com image 676x506]

[www.portviewfitout.co.uk image 683x440]

Did they really put an AT4 on there? "We got an empty pylon and some leftover rocket launchers over there, make it happen"?

AFKobel: skrame: AFKobel: All I know is when I call in the Warthog, it only takes three passes at the map.  It gets a good amount of kills, but come on people, you need take more than three runs at the map to turn the tide.  I'm on a team of morons!

Every time I summon the Warthog (like twice; I'm a sucky player), I get more team kills than opponent kills.

UAV, Hunter Killer, Care Package - You know I suck.

I'm not saying that's a danger... but most of the members of the teams I find myself on these days deserve a good TKing.

Can't wait for Ghosts.


Yep, THIS. I do have to say that the one thing I personally hate the most is the Hunter-Killer drone (single and swarm) I ALWAYS am the preferred target for those things.
 
2013-09-17 01:06:48 PM
Good riddance I say, maybe our tax dollars can be spent fixing pot holes & cleaning hipsters out of the park instead!
 
2013-09-17 01:08:18 PM

Fano: Son of Thunder: adragontattoo: jankyboy: [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 600x328]RIP Cobra Rattler

That was one of the main reasons I loved Cobra as a kid.

No kidding.  One of my first nerdgasms back in the day was when I found out that the Rattler is based on a real plane.
Young Me: "Holy poop, that cannon with wings EXISTS?!?"

the absolute coup de grace arrive when i played sierra's a-10 tank killer. even the documentation gave a wargasm with tidbits that the cannon has to be fired at a downward angle or else the plane would stall. a cannon that throws milkbottle sized depleted uranium slugs at like 1000/minute.


I think they stopped using DU in favor of tungsten, since it's more enviromentally friendly.

/PESHE
// Funny like I'm a clown?
 
2013-09-17 01:15:10 PM
The A-10 is a vastly overrated piece of garbage, especially after the "upgrade" to A-10C. The best CAS platform the USAF has is actually the F-15E, but you won't hear the Air Force talking up any -15 model since they're chasing the -22 and -35.
 
2013-09-17 01:18:33 PM
Let's not kid ourselves that this is about The Troops! and what's best for fighting Homeland's wars. The dirty little secret is our government, the committees on defense, appropriations, etc, nor the Pentagonites have the remotest idea what The Next War will look like. It's all speculation.

So what's left is (A) Generals and Admirals working to advance their careers through their projects; and (2) Representatives and Senators working to get re-elected by directing the Generals' and Admirals' projects to their constituencies in the hopes of getting re-elected.

How about instead of building more military hardware, we pledge to NOT GO FIGHTING UNNECESSARY WARS (which is all of them since WWII, except Gulf War 1 and Afghanistan, until Bush the Younger diverted all the assets to Iraq), and then invest those people and national assets to rebuilding US infrastructure.

Sure, it sounds like Socialism and really, who the fark wants to go to a show displaying new paving machines, cranes, and bridge-building equipment when you can go to the Joint Services Open House at Joint Base Andrews, climb on tanks and APCs, handle the hardware, and watch military aircraft tooling around overhead? PATRIOTISMS! TRRROOOPS!!! 'Cause, the soldiers are BOOTSTRAPPY and know what they're getting into and do more hard fighty sufferin' stuff before you've even had breakfast so they're protecting your FREEDOMS from Terror.

Yeah, right.
 
2013-09-17 01:18:40 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: AFKobel: All I know is when I call in the Warthog, it only takes three passes at the map.  It gets a good amount of kills, but come on people, you need take more than three runs at the map to turn the tide.  I'm on a team of morons!

My problem is that when the other team calls it in those three passes get minimum 5 kills a pass.  When I call it in I get 3 passes and 3/4 of the kills are TKs.

I think the pilots are against me.


Just so you are aware, someone sent me a message the other day that said, and I quote:

"Hardcoar is 4 virgins and regular play losers"

So, you should take that advice to heart.  Apparently, core play, where you can empty two magazines into someone and they can still turn and noob tube you, is better game play.

Loser.
 
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