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(Daily Paul)   High School AP History exam prep re-writes the 2nd Amendment. Some people apparently have a problem with this   (dailypaul.com) divider line 599
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2013-09-17 12:19:32 AM  
I don't give a damn what side you are on when it comes to the 2nd amendment, but don't teach a re-written version of the Constitution.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:46 AM  

slayer199: I don't give a damn what side you are on when it comes to the 2nd amendment, but don't teach a re-written version of the Constitution.


Some quick googling seems to indicate the authors are merely adjunct professors and have prior experience teaching high school history.  One of them appears to not have any current affiliation with any educational institution, if various APUSH guides are to be believed.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:29 AM  

Fark It: Some quick googling seems to indicate the authors are merely adjunct professors and have prior experience teaching high school history. One of them appears to not have any current affiliation with any educational institution, if various APUSH guides are to be believed.


It wasn't just the 2nd Amendment either...they re-wrote a number of the amendments.  If you're going to teach the Constitution and Bill of Rights, teach it as written...let the students interpret and ask questions.
 
2013-09-17 12:39:34 AM  
All amendments "rewritten."

ZOMG THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS REWRITTEN
 
2013-09-17 12:40:06 AM  
If that's AP US history...

...game over man.
 
2013-09-17 12:52:41 AM  

Relatively Obscure: All amendments "rewritten."

ZOMG THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS REWRITTEN


Well, it appears that the 2nd was the only one that was reinterpreted as well....
 
2013-09-17 12:56:29 AM  

Fark It: Relatively Obscure: All amendments "rewritten."

ZOMG THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS REWRITTEN

Well, it appears that the 2nd was the only one that was reinterpreted as well....


Not really, I don't think.  I'd also like to see more than this one picture before I freak right the fark out.  But yes, the second does look controversially "interpreted" in the picture.
 
2013-09-17 01:00:20 AM  
For the folks who are getting their knickers in a twist, the page is a summary. Which if folks actually read the page, they'd see. It's not surprise that reading comprehension seems to be beyond Ron Paul or his webmasters...
 
2013-09-17 01:16:21 AM  
Re-written Constitution, H.S. AP U.S. history:  OBEY
 
2013-09-17 01:23:06 AM  

hubiestubert: For the folks who are getting their knickers in a twist, the page is a summary. Which if folks actually read the page, they'd see. It's not surprise that reading comprehension seems to be beyond Ron Paul or his webmasters...


From the comments...

"The constitution was written in plain English and does not need a summery."

so you see...apparently if a topic is wrote in english, you don't use a summery. A summery must only get used for them weird languages.

/"peace gold love"?? WTF?
 
2013-09-17 01:41:50 AM  

log_jammin: /"peace gold love"?? WTF?


PAUL

STUDY IT OUT!

Because, as we all know, gold can solve all the world's problems. Not like those blood diamonds, or platinum, or water rights, because gold, you see, can stem off invasion, disease, and certainly stop Spaniards from raping and pillaging your lands. The Inca failed, as did the Aztecs, because they didn't value gold the way it should be valued, and thus God smote their civilizations for failure to heed his admonishions. Gold has to be put into currency, not poured into false idols. That's a lesson the Jews had to learn the hard way, and that is why they are such studious bankers and accountants. This is why we NEED better history books, so that children will know the REAL reason that we must value gold above all else...

www.gospeljohn.net
 
2013-09-17 02:03:54 AM  
This from people at a site referred to as DP?
 
2013-09-17 02:15:23 AM  

MrBallou: This from people at a site referred to as DP?


In fairness, these are folks who like to be called Teabaggers...
 
2013-09-17 04:26:37 AM  
A summary of an object is a brief, condensed version of that document that outlines the main points but certainly does not distort them.

This summary's description of the 2nd is terribly distorted. If you are telling me other amendments are distorted in meaning as well, well, that doesn't make this text book better, it makes it worse. If this summary is preparing for the AP exam, and the AP exam also takes this point of view, the AP exam is equally wrong. Rather than testing towards a bad exam, the exam should be fixed, or the summary notated that the exam is wrong but this is the answer it expects. (I've encountered that in classes several times.)

This summary isn't just wrong though, it clearly is distorted to favor one side in a political debate.

This is not the way to teach kids that you respect, not the way to teach kids that you expect will need to grow up and vote intelligently and take part in government.

Okay, rant over, you can go ahead and tell me how it's really all okay now and just phony poutrage to be upset over it and my knickers are in a twist. Well joke's on you, I took my wife's knickers off over an hour ago, neatly folded them and placed them back in her drawers, and am now just sitting here naked.
 
2013-09-17 04:58:58 AM  
If it makes you feel more enraged, subby, the constitution says nothing about abortion
 
2013-09-17 07:59:09 AM  
I prefer the Constitutional Summary Guides that color-code the amendments by "liberal" and "conservative" so that you can know at a glance which are the important ones and which ones are destroying the country.
 
2013-09-17 08:00:47 AM  

slayer199: I don't give a damn what side you are on when it comes to the 2nd amendment, but don't teach a re-written version of the Constitution.


That. Kind of.

Seems to be more 'interpreted' than 'rewritten.'  Let the students interpret it the way they see fit.  Critical thinking, and all that.  I mean, I realize school is more designed to turn kids into worker robots instead of intelligent adults, but this is supposed to be an AP course.  Super-special worker robots, then?
 
2013-09-17 08:16:00 AM  
Ignorance is one thing, teaching ignorance is another.

/Didn't they farking succeed five years ago???
 
2013-09-17 08:26:27 AM  

slayer199: I don't give a damn what side you are on when it comes to the 2nd amendment, but don't teach a re-written version of the Constitution.


Done in one.

A more extreme example:  I don't approve of slavery.  I'd imagine that sentiment is shared with the bulk of people here.  But I wouldn't approve of teaching a fictional history in which slavery never existed here.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:33 AM  
So an AP textbook summarized (and subsequently butchered) the Bill of Rights, which they shouldn't have, but the Paultards are only butthurt about the re-writing of the 2nd?

Sounds about right.
 
2013-09-17 08:52:24 AM  

nekom: slayer199: I don't give a damn what side you are on when it comes to the 2nd amendment, but don't teach a re-written version of the Constitution.

Done in one.

A more extreme example:  I don't approve of slavery.  I'd imagine that sentiment is shared with the bulk of people here.  But I wouldn't approve of teaching a fictional history in which slavery never existed here.


To be fair, they probably have slavery in their textbook, it's just referred to as "required volunteer work"
 
2013-09-17 08:54:34 AM  
Ok!  Ok!  Everyone chill out!

We made a mistake, and we are happy to correct it.  Right here, right now.

Second Amendment.People who go f*cking insane over a badly worded summary of an amendment in an AP Test Review book can go suck a dick.  Seriously.  You guys don't have anything better to do?  And you think you should have the *right* to walk around with loaded guns?!  Are you f*cking idiots, too?!
 
2013-09-17 08:56:45 AM  
This is stupid, because we all agree on what "well-regulated" and "militia" mean
 
2013-09-17 09:09:53 AM  
It looks like all the BoR have been rewritten as small summaries in that book. And the 101st Fighting Keyboardists have noticed, calling for the book to be pulled from Amazon. Since the book is written for the College Board prep guidelines, the more reasonable course of action is to check out what the College Board guidelines are. The summaries as a whole are overly simplistic to me--foreclosing the possibility of differing interpretations as a whole.
 
2013-09-17 09:11:08 AM  
Everyone just assigns their own meaning to it anyway.
 
2013-09-17 09:11:59 AM  
This is a high school in my home town.

In TEXAS.

I assure you, the right to bear arms is practically beat into their head from Kindergarten here, no need to panic.

Trust me, that's not the standard text book, that some extra book for extra credit and it's stupid.
 
2013-09-17 09:12:46 AM  
Why boohoo about the Second Amendment is stupid:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
 
2013-09-17 09:14:36 AM  
If you can't comprehend the language the Bill of Rights is written in, what the fark are you doing in AP history class?
 
2013-09-17 09:16:28 AM  

Somacandra: It looks like all the BoR have been rewritten as small summaries in that book. And the 101st Fighting Keyboardists have noticed, calling for the book to be pulled from Amazon. Since the book is written for the College Board prep guidelines, the more reasonable course of action is to check out what the College Board guidelines are. The summaries as a whole are overly simplistic to me--foreclosing the possibility of differing interpretations as a whole.


Top review when I looked:

At the very least, the bill of rights is completely revised, so if you read this, as your source of information, you have no idea what the ORIGINAL Bill of Rights states.
Is this an accident? Probably not. Have you read 1984?
That this kind of book is allowed to be published is a crime. The author is a traitor to the Constitution.


Area man something something what he imagines something something Constitution.
 
2013-09-17 09:16:34 AM  

Lucky LaRue:   And you think you should have the *right* to walk around with loaded guns?!  Are you f*cking idiots, too?!


It looks like the only one going insane in this thread is you.
 
2013-09-17 09:17:14 AM  

BunkoSquad: This is stupid, because we all agree on what "well-regulated" and "militia" mean


reg·u·late[reg-yuh-leyt]
1.to  or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.: to regulate household expenses.
2.to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.: to regulate the temperature.
3.to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
4.to put in good order: to regulate the digestion.

mi·li·tia[mi-lish-uh]
1.a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2.a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3.all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4.a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government

It's actually pretty darned clear. A well-regulated militia means a citizenry able and equipped to protect and defend itself.
 
2013-09-17 09:17:53 AM  
In other news, right-wing vaginal silicosis has reached epidemic levels.
 
2013-09-17 09:18:09 AM  
Wait, there's a blog called the "Daily PAUL?"  And PAUL stands for Peace, Gold, and Love?  Excuse me while I laugh myself to death.
 
2013-09-17 09:18:11 AM  
If you aren't behind the 2nd Amendment, feel free to stand in front of it.

stupid libs
 
2013-09-17 09:18:51 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: This is a high school in my home town.

In TEXAS.

I assure you, the right to bear arms is practically beat into their head from Kindergarten here, no need to panic.

Trust me, that's not the standard text book, that some extra book for extra credit and it's stupid.


I'd like to believe that, but until fairly recently it was illegal to carry a gun in Texas.  They changed from a "no issue" state to a "shall issue" state in 1995.
 
2013-09-17 09:19:22 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: If you aren't behind the 2nd Amendment, feel free to stand in front of it.

stupid libs


Responsible gun owners of the world, unite.
 
2013-09-17 09:19:38 AM  
This is pretty much par for the course as far as liberal education goes. The goals of which include revisionism, propaganda, dumbing down, and indoctrination.
 
2013-09-17 09:20:02 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: If you aren't behind the 2nd Amendment, feel free to stand in front of it.

stupid libs


If you aren't trolling with this comment, then you aren't helping, unless of course if you are trolling, then carry on soldier
 
2013-09-17 09:20:15 AM  
If that is actually real that is farked up and whoever wrote that should be fired...out of a cannon...into the sun.
 
2013-09-17 09:20:30 AM  
"The constitution was written in plain English and does not need a summery."

Ever try reading the Copyright Clause?
 
2013-09-17 09:20:45 AM  

Headso: If that is actually real that is farked up and whoever wrote that should be fired...out of a cannon...into the sun.


A summary execution?
 
2013-09-17 09:20:48 AM  
Many scholars disagree that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual right to keep and bear arms despite a Supreme Court ruling to the contrary, and their opinion is just as valid and as well-reasoned as is the opinion of Tea Party members who insist that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional despite a Supreme Court ruling to the contrary.
 
2013-09-17 09:21:12 AM  

Aristocles: This is pretty much par for the course as far as liberal education goes. The goals of which include revisionism, propaganda, dumbing down, and indoctrination.


Hey, I got derp bingo!
 
2013-09-17 09:21:16 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Second Amendment.People who go f*cking insane over a badly worded summary of an amendment in an AP Test Review book can go suck a dick.  Seriously.  You guys don't have anything better to do?  And you think you should have the *right* to walk around with loaded guns?!  Are you f*cking idiots, too?!


The problem here is that something is being taught poorly.  If something is taught poorly, it will be understood poorly.  If something is understood poorly, it will be taught even more poorly.
 
2013-09-17 09:21:29 AM  

Aristocles: This is pretty much par for the course as far as liberal education goes. The goals of which include revisionism, propaganda, dumbing down, and indoctrination.


You do realize that everyone does that kind of bullshiat, right?

If you want a great example of rightist indoctrination, look no further than church ran schooling
 
2013-09-17 09:22:12 AM  

hubiestubert: For the folks who are getting their knickers in a twist, the page is a summary. Which if folks actually read the page, they'd see. It's not surprise that reading comprehension seems to be beyond Ron Paul or his webmasters...


When you said it's a summary, I was expecting to see that the authors had included how the Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution, but it appears that what the authors wrote doesn't reflect current 2nd Amendment case law at all.
 
2013-09-17 09:22:14 AM  

Wooly Bully: In other news, right-wing vaginal silicosis has reached epidemic levels.


Typical that Farklibs would support rather than condemn this desecration.
 
2013-09-17 09:22:26 AM  

macadamnut: If you can't comprehend the language the Bill of Rights is written in, what the fark are you doing in AP history class?


Welllll.. the 2nd isn't the easiest amendment for most people to understand. The disjointed way it's written seems intentional and it's been interpreted various ways by our greatest legal minds throughout our history. I can't fault any 'student' for not comprehending the 2nd. I'm sure you have a certain way that you understand it, but i'm sure you're aware that others might have a different understanding.
 
2013-09-17 09:23:44 AM  

Aristocles: Wooly Bully: In other news, right-wing vaginal silicosis has reached epidemic levels.

Typical that Farklibs would support rather than condemn this desecration.


Desecration?

Desecration would be ejaculating on an American flag after taking a massive shiat on said flag
 
2013-09-17 09:23:59 AM  
About time for Texas to rein in 'liberal' curriculum in their schools.
 
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