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2013-09-17 07:05:08 AM  
if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion
 
2013-09-17 07:06:22 AM  
Today's popcorn thread. Go!
 
2013-09-17 07:08:06 AM  
Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.
 
2013-09-17 07:10:02 AM  

robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.


Are you not people!
 
2013-09-17 07:10:45 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.
 
2013-09-17 07:10:50 AM  
I know well enough to learn from others mistakes
 
2013-09-17 07:11:46 AM  
Maybe they'll make nice rooms for people with no kids to go and sit in places they can be (relatively) sure they won't have to hear children crying? I dunno. The blog post seems to be responding to a petty asshole by being a sanctimonious asshole.
 
2013-09-17 07:11:50 AM  

Onkel Buck: I know well enough to learn from others mistakes


I highly doubt that.
 
2013-09-17 07:12:41 AM  
If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad
 
2013-09-17 07:12:52 AM  
I am not a doctor, but you non-doctors will keep your whore mouths shut and listen to my medical opinions.
 
2013-09-17 07:12:55 AM  

earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.


That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.
 
2013-09-17 07:13:03 AM  
There's enough to share.

teenthropologist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-17 07:13:59 AM  

smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


You sound like a moronic offspring...

Too bad.
 
2013-09-17 07:15:29 AM  
I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.
 
2013-09-17 07:15:36 AM  
This is gonna be good when the "my kids are angels" crowd shows up.
 
2013-09-17 07:15:50 AM  

TalenLee: earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.

That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.


No, it's called humanity. Instead of having a rude demeanor and making everyone days bad , you can choose to lighten the mood or help. Being a jack wagon doesn't and won't help.
 
2013-09-17 07:16:05 AM  

TalenLee: earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.

That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.


It isn't about your right to have an express an opinion, it has to do with class.  Children are a basic, fundamental, and generally harmless fact of life.  They always will be.  The only attitudes you change by sharing your anti-child views are in how the rest of the world perceives you, not children.

So keep it up.  The "no kids in restaurants!" crowd is a good, simple way to determine if someone is a classless douche, or not.
 
2013-09-17 07:16:25 AM  

Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.


Wow, you sound like a parenting expert.
 
2013-09-17 07:17:25 AM  
The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?

/Stoke, stoke...
 
2013-09-17 07:17:31 AM  
That's okay. I'll be over here enjoying lots of disposable income (post-saving and investing, of course) because I am not chained to one or more squalling proto-humans.


tee hee
 
2013-09-17 07:18:02 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


Yeap, you're entitled to your opinion. And if you air it instead of keeping it to yourself as is polite, be prepared for someone to air their opinion about you being a prick.
 
2013-09-17 07:18:21 AM  
For the most part, most kids aren't that annoying, but there are that select few that you want to throttle with your bare hands, damned the consequences.
 
2013-09-17 07:19:05 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


And just like all of your other opinions, it's not going to mean jack shiat to us.
 
2013-09-17 07:19:13 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


You'd also better keep it to yourself if you know what's good for you.  Stepping on a parent's last nerve is never a good idea.
 
2013-09-17 07:19:30 AM  
Huge huge difference between your toddler having a melt-down at the grocery store... I can feel sorry for that...
It's another reaction when you bring your f*ck trophy on the plane, to the restaurant, movies, at the bar, coffee-shop, bus, DMV, post office, etc..  and don't even bring some crayons/games/snacks  for the kid.  wtf?  Kids are pretty easy; just keep them entertained, fed, hydrated and it's good.

/changing that diaper on the cafe seat is horribly nasty too!
//No, actually, I don't want to see little Johnny/Suzy doing their first show-tune rendition while I'm eating or flying.
///really? you brought your kids to a R-rated movie?
 
2013-09-17 07:19:34 AM  

GORDON: So keep it up.


Keep what up? I was complaining about the author's tone. I called the guy who complained an asshole. Is there some side I've signed up for that I don't understand?
 
2013-09-17 07:20:01 AM  

robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.


Almost caught me.....I wrote an entire reply before going "Wait a minute......"

Nicely played
 
2013-09-17 07:21:24 AM  

earthwirm: TalenLee: earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.

That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.

No, it's called humanity. Instead of having a rude demeanor and making everyone days bad , you can choose to lighten the mood or help. Being a jack wagon doesn't and won't help.


You seem to misunderstand me.

I'm not saying 'the opinion about children is A or B.'

I'm saying 'telling someone they're not allowed to have any opinion at all is dickish.'

And... I dunno, it sounds like two people are frustrated and upset with the circumstances, but only one of them is allowed to feel that way because they're a parent, the other is someone uninvolved in the child's life...?
 
2013-09-17 07:21:45 AM  
Has a solution:

mimg.ugo.com

/mmmmm.... chicken popcorn
 
2013-09-17 07:21:55 AM  
How about you parents quit expecting everyone to change the way they live to accommodate your little farking brat?

Oh. You don't like what's on TV because your snowflake may see it? Here's a news flash: You TV has a power button!
 
2013-09-17 07:21:59 AM  
As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.
 
GBB
2013-09-17 07:22:20 AM  
www.redfoxtees.com
 
2013-09-17 07:22:46 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Has a solution:

/mmmmm.... chicken popcorn


I almost spit out my coffee to that post, good job!
 
2013-09-17 07:23:58 AM  

buntz: robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.

Almost caught me.....I wrote an entire reply before going "Wait a minute......"

Nicely played


No, no. Elaborate.
 
2013-09-17 07:24:14 AM  
Something tells me that many of these parents who want you to "just deal with" their shrieking crotchfruit have a slightly different opinion on second-hand smoke.
 
2013-09-17 07:24:18 AM  
Keep your filthy crotchfruit at home.
 
2013-09-17 07:25:04 AM  

GORDON: TalenLee: earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.

That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.

It isn't about your right to have an express an opinion, it has to do with class.  Children are a basic, fundamental, and generally harmless fact of life.  They always will be.


Exactly. And since we have little option but to endure and tolerate them, we have no real need to extend such niceties to their shiatty parents. In fact, we're doing society harm by not calling out shiatty parenting. It takes a village, my friend.
 
2013-09-17 07:25:30 AM  

Bslim: Keep your filthy crotchfruit at home.


Keep your filthy untouchable ass at home.

Your move
 
2013-09-17 07:25:32 AM  
FTA  "Parenting is the easiest thing in the world to have an opinion about, but the hardest thing in the world to do."

This
 
2013-09-17 07:25:35 AM  

GORDON: I am not a doctor, but you non-doctors will keep your whore mouths shut and listen to my medical opinions.


I'm not a Parent but I've got the tools to be one. That counts right?
 
2013-09-17 07:25:54 AM  
I have a cat, isn't that about the same?
 
2013-09-17 07:26:22 AM  
i1025.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 07:27:00 AM  

Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.


The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.
 
2013-09-17 07:27:40 AM  

Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.


Some folks, (mostly old women) think they have a god-given right to touch whomever they want with their nasty buzzard claws.
 
2013-09-17 07:27:51 AM  

GoldSpider: Something tells me that many of these parents who want you to "just deal with" their shrieking crotchfruit have a slightly different opinion on second-hand smoke.


Yes, because children cause cancer.
 
2013-09-17 07:28:24 AM  
I found it odd that the article (and those commenting) all seem to take it as given that children have 'meltdowns' and tantrums in public. This most certainly hasn't been my experience. I didn't see that behavior with my nieces and nephews, the children of my friends or even my own daughter.


No so CSB:

I do remember picking my daughter up from her mother when she was 3. Her mom told me that she had been having trouble all week with her throwing tantrums - throw herself on the floor, kick and scream until she gets her way. Having never seen any such behavior from my kid, I just nodded along and wondered when that started and why.

So my daughter and I stop at the grocery store on the way home and things are going well. She wants me to buy something (can't remember what) and the answer is no. And now I get to see the tantrum. Her face turns red, starts to cry/scream and goes to throw herself on the floor. I caught her by the arm, bent down nose to nose and growled "There will be none of that!". Tantrum over and it was the last time I ever saw that behavior from her.

/CSB

My two cents on parenting - be consistent. Never let them manipulate you, blackmail you, embarrass you or do anything else that makes you change the rules. I don't have a tenth of the problems with my daughter that her mother has and I honestly think it is because she knows the expectations are consistent and punishment will be swift and sure.
 
2013-09-17 07:28:32 AM  

RayD8: [i1025.photobucket.com image 100x100]


jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.


I raise you..
img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-09-17 07:28:36 AM  
There's no one to root for here.
 
2013-09-17 07:28:36 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


No, you do not.
 
2013-09-17 07:28:59 AM  

Bslim: Keep your filthy crotchfruit at home.


Yes, kids should never be allowed out into the world to learn and grow.
 
2013-09-17 07:29:24 AM  
I guess this is the thread where inconsiderate parents justify being inconsiderate.
 
2013-09-17 07:30:24 AM  

Angry_Monkey: I guess this is the thread where inconsiderate parents justify being inconsiderate.


No it is where inconsiderate people justify being inconsiderate.
 
2013-09-17 07:31:08 AM  
 
2013-09-17 07:31:29 AM  
 Crib midgets. Crotch fruit. Sex trophies. Crotch droppings. Crumb snatchers. Womb rats. Ankle biters. Snowflakes. Spawn.
Miss any?
 
2013-09-17 07:32:16 AM  
I don't hate kids.

I hate your kids.
 
2013-09-17 07:32:17 AM  

Cyclometh: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

No, you do not.


Yes she does.  She just should not be dickish about it if she chooses to share it with the parent.
 
2013-09-17 07:32:18 AM  

jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.


Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.
 
2013-09-17 07:33:14 AM  
Hey oblivious parents, if you don't want people telling you to shut your bratty kids up don't be shiatty parents. Or don't take your bratty kids out to restaurants but that also falls under the category of not being shiatty parents.

I guess don't be shiatty parents is the central theme to my rant.
 
2013-09-17 07:33:58 AM  
Eh, the author makes some good points.   He's just switched teams, is all...plenty of entitled douchebags on both sides of the kids/no kids divide.
 
2013-09-17 07:34:51 AM  
5k responses?  Jesus.

I don't know who this guy is but three cheers for the Christian breeder right, I guess.
 
2013-09-17 07:34:53 AM  
But the minute that kid pops out of your insides, you're a freaking expert.
 
2013-09-17 07:35:27 AM  

PunGent: Eh, the author makes some good points.   He's just switched teams, is all...plenty of entitled douchebags on both sides of the kids/no kids divide.


I have found the most crappy on both sides are usually only a few years past being a child themselves. YEMV
 
2013-09-17 07:35:27 AM  

robohobo: RayD8: [i1025.photobucket.com image 100x100]

jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

I raise you..
[img.gawkerassets.com image 300x247]



I'm in img.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 07:35:47 AM  
I have no full-time children but I have a few nieces and nephews that I see every once in a while and I've raised an extremely well-behaved dog, so I really think that my opinion on parenting has merit.
 
2013-09-17 07:36:12 AM  
My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.
 
2013-09-17 07:36:21 AM  

justanothersumguy: FTA  "Parenting is the easiest thing in the world to have an opinion about, but the hardest thing in the world to do."

This


i BET rocket science is harder.
 
2013-09-17 07:36:44 AM  

edmo: But the minute that kid pops out of your insides, you're a freaking expert.


Nope.  I have a 10 year old and a 7 year old and am still learning.
 
2013-09-17 07:36:56 AM  

Angry_Monkey: I guess this is the thread where inconsiderate parents justify being inconsiderate.


C'mon, it's a really hard job and they're more qualified than you because they had sex that caused pregnancy. It's not like you can go do that.
 
2013-09-17 07:38:37 AM  

earthwirm: Bslim: Keep your filthy crotchfruit at home.

Yes, kids should never be allowed out into the world to learn and grow.


When you teach them how to behave they are welcome to go out into the world to learn and grow. If you refuse to teach them discipline, keep them locked up at home. It will prepare them for a life they will most likely spend in jail.
 
2013-09-17 07:39:12 AM  
I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.
 
2013-09-17 07:40:12 AM  

marsoft: Cyclometh: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

No, you do not.

Yes she does.  She just should not be dickish about it if she chooses to share it with the parent.


That's misconstruing what she said by reading the letter of it as opposed to the intent.

 Plenty will display that sense of entitlement coupled with ignorance and selfishness. It's an oafish, arrogant and despicable attitude that says you have a right to be free of encountering a child on a public bus.
 
2013-09-17 07:40:26 AM  
I have no problem with kids having a meltdown (which happens, deal with it). I DO have a problem if the response isn't to remove the child from the area or at least minimize the issue as best someone can (taking the child to the bathroom on a plane, for example). If the general response from the parent is "Not this sh** again", I'm much less sympathetic.

Kids are going to be kids, but crappy parenting is what defines them.
 
2013-09-17 07:40:47 AM  
Kid melting down in a utilitarian place like a grocery store? Who cares. At a nice restaurant, say Red Lobster or Olive Garden? Not cool man.
 
2013-09-17 07:41:33 AM  

Cozret: I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.


Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.
 
2013-09-17 07:41:41 AM  
When my kids were at the age where they would do shiat like that in public, my wife or I would take them outside and wait for them to calm down before returning. Parents these days simply have no farking respect for the people around them. They feel if they have to listen to their spoiled brat throwing a fit, everyone else should have to as well.

If you're in the damn grocery store and your kid is throwing a fit, it's you job as a parent to leave, not drag him through the place kicking and screaming. Yes it's inconvenient. Yes it means your schedule is going to be thrown off. So what, dinner gets on the table late that night, that's life. The rest of the world should not have to put up with your brats poor behavior.
 
2013-09-17 07:41:49 AM  

Mugato: jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.


Bear in mind that mine are fraternal twins (not identical) and are only 9 months old, but we only dress them alike for the X months old photos.  Otherwise, they G`ET
 
2013-09-17 07:41:58 AM  

Cozret: I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.


Like knowing what majority means?
 
2013-09-17 07:42:02 AM  
I just wanna say, it's really great to wake up too early and have an awesome, rapidly growing thread to read. Troll on!
 
2013-09-17 07:42:28 AM  
I think the good parents hate the "Don't you dare give me a dirty look because I'm letting my five-year-old and my three-year-old chug Mountain Dew and play 'Scream Tag' in the aisles at this 10PM showing of 'I Spit On Your Grave'"-type parents more than the non-parents hate them.
 
2013-09-17 07:42:49 AM  
There's no indignation like righteous indignation.
 
2013-09-17 07:43:08 AM  

max_pooper: Hey oblivious parents, if you don't want people telling you to shut your bratty kids up don't be shiatty parents. Or don't take your bratty kids out to restaurants but that also falls under the category of not being shiatty parents.

I guess don't be shiatty parents is the central theme to my rant.


Yes, this too!   It really cracks me up when I'm out drinking,  partying, and being raunchy in Vegas at 2am... but I get dirty looks from the parents rolling their tired/hungry/cranky children around in the middle of the night.   I chose not to have kids, so I can choose when/where/what I want to do in the middle of the night.
You chose to create a f*ck trophy; so take care of it!  That means reasonable bed times, more sober living; and going to Disney instead of Vegas.

//Seriously?  How bad of a parent are you to choose Vegas over Disney?
 
2013-09-17 07:43:27 AM  
Congratulations on having a penis squirt inside of you!!  Woohoo!!!  god's little miracle.
 
2013-09-17 07:43:28 AM  

Falstaff: Mugato: jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.

Bear in mind that mine are fraternal twins (not identical) and are only 9 months old, but we only dress them alike for the X months old photos.  Otherwise, they G`ET


Sorry, one of the girls "helped" me type.  What I meant to say was "Otherwise, they get treated like any two other sisters that just happen to share a birthday."
 
2013-09-17 07:43:38 AM  

GoldSpider: Something tells me that many of these parents who want you to "just deal with" their shrieking crotchfruit have a slightly different opinion on second-hand smoke.


And in the reverse: I know for a fact that MANY (by many I mean among my own experiences) 'anti child' people are perfectly okay smoking in public, or drinking and driving, or throwing their own temper tantrums, and expect everyone to 'just deal with it'
 
2013-09-17 07:43:57 AM  

Cyclometh: marsoft: Cyclometh: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

No, you do not.

Yes she does.  She just should not be dickish about it if she chooses to share it with the parent.

That's misconstruing what she said by reading the letter of it as opposed to the intent.

 Plenty will display that sense of entitlement coupled with ignorance and selfishness. It's an oafish, arrogant and despicable attitude that says you have a right to be free of encountering a child on a public bus.


encountering =/= encountering screeching brat
 
2013-09-17 07:44:05 AM  

RayD8: Cozret: I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.

Like knowing what majority means?


Of knowing the difference between major and majority?
 
2013-09-17 07:44:06 AM  

flucto: At a nice restaurant, say Red Lobster or Olive Garden?


(-_-)
 
2013-09-17 07:44:38 AM  

earthwirm: Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.

Wow, you sound like a parenting expert.


I should hire you as my nanny since you are such an expert. I have 4 children and 3 are boys. Three of them are easy going. I get compliments everywhere I go with them. One is more difficult. He is stubborn and harder to control. He will break you.
 
2013-09-17 07:45:15 AM  

abhorrent1: How about you parents quit expecting everyone to change the way they live to accommodate your little farking brat?

Oh. You don't like what's on TV because your snowflake may see it? Here's a news flash: You TV has a power button!


You beat the hell out of that straw man. What are you, some kind of ninja?
 
2013-09-17 07:46:20 AM  

smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


I can't remember a time when mine threw a fit in public, but I can tell you it would have been a monumentally bad time to come up and share your opinion of my parenting abilities.
 
2013-09-17 07:46:20 AM  
Well, that was was written in an insufferable style.

We tolerated this guy when he was a child and behaved badly. He is now obligated to tolerate other children as an adult. It's so simple.

It's called being a good member of an evolving species.
 
2013-09-17 07:47:21 AM  
You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.
 
2013-09-17 07:47:34 AM  
+1000000 points for the blogger.

Every jackass is an expert on parenting before they have any kids of their own. When they do, they discover that parenting is not as simple or as black-and-white as they thought. Moreover, they discover that their priority is always the safety, discipline, and well-being of their child, over the comfort, convenience, and opinions of random passersby.
 
2013-09-17 07:48:09 AM  

Xanlexian: Congratulations on having a penis squirt inside of you!!  Woohoo!!!  god's little miracle.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/miracle-of-birth-occurs-for-83-bill io nth-time,775/
 
2013-09-17 07:49:02 AM  

marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.


Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.
 
2013-09-17 07:49:22 AM  

flucto: Kid melting down in a utilitarian place like a grocery store? Who cares. At a nice restaurant, say Red Lobster or Olive Garden? Not cool man.


*clapclapclapclap* good show good show.
 
2013-09-17 07:49:33 AM  
I love how parents have come to think that ignoring a temper tantrum is the proper course of action to take, ESPECIALLY in public.
 
2013-09-17 07:50:26 AM  

Cozret: However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.


Agreed.

Since when did experience count for anything?
 
2013-09-17 07:50:29 AM  

Lady J: justanothersumguy: FTA  "Parenting is the easiest thing in the world to have an opinion about, but the hardest thing in the world to do."

This

i BET rocket science is harder.


As fate would have it... I am an Aerospace engineer.  a.k.a....
 
2013-09-17 07:50:46 AM  

Doc Daneeka: +1000000 points for the blogger.

Every jackass is an expert on parenting before they have any kids of their own. When they do, they discover that parenting is not as simple or as black-and-white as they thought. Moreover, they discover that their priority is always the safety, discipline, and well-being of their child, over the comfort, convenience, and opinions of random passersby.


Except discipline creates comfort and conveniences for a passerby. Lack of discipline fosters opinions in a passerby.

Don't want people to express their opinions about you being a shiaty parent, don't be a shiaty parent.
 
2013-09-17 07:50:48 AM  

ninotchka: earthwirm: Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.

Wow, you sound like a parenting expert.

I should hire you as my nanny since you are such an expert. I have 4 children and 3 are boys. Three of them are easy going. I get compliments everywhere I go with them. One is more difficult. He is stubborn and harder to control. He will break you.


Gawd, you are a stupid parent.  Just read a book, and raise them all exactly the same way with simplistic platitudes.  I mean, I don't have kids, but I babysat once for 2 hours, and the kid never once had a problem.
 
2013-09-17 07:51:24 AM  
I hate that children are our future. We need another alternative.
 
2013-09-17 07:51:37 AM  

max_pooper: RayD8: Cozret: I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.

Like knowing what majority means?

Of knowing the difference between major and majority?


yeah, or that.
 
2013-09-17 07:51:39 AM  
These threads are so amusing because it gives you a pretty good idea of who the childless basement dwellers are.
 
2013-09-17 07:51:50 AM  
I'm generally tolerant of kids in most places. Public parks, grocery stores, the bus, planes... whatever. I can tune them out.

However, I will not tolerate screeching children in the movie theater. That is the one place where without a shadow of a doubt, a person who opts to remain in their seat with a disruptive child is an inconsiderate asshole. There is absolutely no excuse, no justification for that.
 
2013-09-17 07:52:12 AM  
I was reading the blog thinking 'yeah ok, he's got a point - I still hate kids, but grocery shopping is a a no-go area if you want a kid free zone.... then I dcided to read the previous blog entry about evil atheists or some such shiate.

so - applying the same logic from that blog -  the guys a complete, total, utter  moron and all his opinions are worthless, therefore everyone should feel free to casually insult parents of screaming toddlers in supermarkets
 
2013-09-17 07:52:15 AM  

Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.


A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.
 
2013-09-17 07:53:11 AM  
Im only 5 sentences in and the blogger already seems to be a coont. I pity his kids.
 
2013-09-17 07:53:20 AM  
I came from a large family. My mother makes fun of people who raised one kid and talks like they are an expert on raising children. There is nothing wrong with everyone having an opinion. I know many people who helped raise their siblings, but of course stupid parents then say they know nothing about raising kids because they have none of their own.
 
2013-09-17 07:54:34 AM  

Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.


Speaking from my own limited experience here - If it grants you anything beyond stress and sleepless nights, parenting grants you heightened sympathy/empathy for what other parents are going through.  You may not know that guy next to you, and he may not know you.  You both have, however, been screamed at for a few months by someone who can barely communicate back to you, have been worried the first time the little one got sick, wondered if you are doing it right, have been urinated on, etc.
 
2013-09-17 07:56:09 AM  
I wonder if anyone has done some realistic investigation into what would happen if people everywhere stopped having children. KInd of like that series on Discovery or whatever channel it was where they looked at what would happen if humans disappeared.
 
2013-09-17 07:56:15 AM  
You idiots. Regardless of whether you are whiney parents or whiney bystanders, you should grow up yourselves before you comment on how children should be brought up. So stupid.
 
2013-09-17 07:56:28 AM  

TalenLee: earthwirm: TalenLee: earthwirm: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

Actually, no you don't. Deal with it.

That's just a flat out lie. I get to have an opinion on anything. Now, the idea that a person doesn't get to express their opinion because you don't think it's justified or morally acceptable or whatever is fine, but I'm fairly sure that telling them their opinion is flat-out not allowed to exist is, at the very least, dickish.

No, it's called humanity. Instead of having a rude demeanor and making everyone days bad , you can choose to lighten the mood or help. Being a jack wagon doesn't and won't help.

You seem to misunderstand me.

I'm not saying 'the opinion about children is A or B.'

I'm saying 'telling someone they're not allowed to have any opinion at all is dickish.'

And... I dunno, it sounds like two people are frustrated and upset with the circumstances, but only one of them is allowed to feel that way because they're a parent, the other is someone uninvolved in the child's life...?


I've run into this kind of attitude before...

"You can't have an opinion on abortion! You're a MAN!"
 
2013-09-17 07:57:30 AM  

Infernalist: I love how parents have come to think that ignoring a temper tantrum is the proper course of action to take, ESPECIALLY in public.


Reading this thread I wonder of they can hear it anymore.
 
2013-09-17 07:57:32 AM  
Lady J:

encountering =/= encountering screeching brat

Spare me. You could be on the bus with a mom on her way to the doctor with a child that has an earache, or fell down getting on and barked a shin and is crying about it and you'd be right there with the other delicate flowers in this thread telling her she's a bad mother and should get off the bus until her "fark trophy" calms down, right?

I swear, every one of these threads is like a catalog of entitled snowflakes. Bunch of candy-asses, I can't believe you can possibly function in the real world.

What the fark do you people do when instead of having an encounter with a child, you run into an adult who is actually an asshole?  If you can't handle a child getting worked up, i can't imagine you're well-prepared for the harsh realities of life.

Maybe you should just stay home until you're better prepared to deal with people you might encounter as soon as you leave.
 
2013-09-17 07:57:47 AM  
Grocery stores are pretty bad places to let a kid rampage through, actually. Lotta breakable crap, fast moving carts to run into, employees on ladders or carrying boxes. Just take em outside for a sec, hell, even the bathroom.
 
2013-09-17 07:58:24 AM  
Three kids, three boys, and I honestly hate parents who let their kids scream incessantly in public because they think that it's the right thing to do.

Pro tip:  It's not.

You don't ignore a tantrum, you catch the child before he can get into tantrum mode and address it head on.  Don't treat your child like a pet.  You 'talk' to them, you cajole them, whatever they want, they're not going to get, but if they're good until they get home, there might be something in it for them.

Yes, it's bribery, but by the time they get home, they've completely forgotten about that little talk in the store.

If they don't take the bribe, then be fully prepared to vacate the store with the child.

I've never had to worry about such things because I never took my kids out without them having a nap and a snack first.  It's called preparation and most parents don't get that aspect.  Kids don't throw tantrums just because.  They throw tantrums because you've had them up for hours, they're hungry and exhausted and you want to spend 20 minutes trying to decide which loaf of bread looks the freshest.

Your kid throwing a tantrum in public is not the kid's fault.  It's YOURS.
 
2013-09-17 07:58:32 AM  
You get to inflict your screaming brat on the rest of us and shove your work off on us because you have to stay home with your sick kid and in exchange we get to tell you what we think of you're annoying little brat.

Deal?
 
2013-09-17 07:58:35 AM  

Infernalist: I love how parents have come to think that ignoring a temper tantrum is the proper course of action to take, ESPECIALLY in public.


It's really the only way to deal with tantrums.

If you give into the child's demands or fall all over yourself to placate him, the child just learns that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want, and will do it more often in the future.  If you drop everything and run out of the store, it's the same deal - the child takes away the lesson that they are in control and can get you to stop and leave a place they don't want to be simply by throwing a tantrum.  Threats don't work on a toddler - they're not capable of processing that kind of reasoning, especially when they are in that kind of emotional state.

The only thing to o, if you want to discourage tantrums from happening, is to tell you child calmly that the tantrum won't get them what they want, and then calmly, quickly, and efficiently finish your errand. The child will learn that the tantrum was not an effective way of commanding your attention and actions.
 
2013-09-17 07:59:03 AM  

Falstaff: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

Speaking from my own limited experience here - If it grants you anything beyond stress and sleepless nights, parenting grants you heightened sympathy/empathy for what other parents are going through.  You may not know that guy next to you, and he may not know you.  You both have, however, been screamed at for a few months by someone who can barely communicate back to you, have been worried the first time the little one got sick, wondered if you are doing it right, have been urinated on, etc.


Don't need to be a parent for that, dude.
 
2013-09-17 07:59:27 AM  

vudukungfu: Crib midgets. Crotch fruit. Sex trophies. Crotch droppings. Crumb snatchers. Womb rats. Ankle biters. Snowflakes. Spawn.
Miss any?


That about sums up the typical responses.  Of course this is just animalistic dehumanization in a pure form which again pretty much sums up the anti-children crowd mentality.

/You know who else was into dehumanization?
//Godwin'ed
 
2013-09-17 07:59:45 AM  

The Muthaship: Since when did experience count for anything?


So an M.D. without kids vs Jenny McCarthy . . .you're taking her view on vaccination then?
 
2013-09-17 08:00:25 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I think the good parents hate the "Don't you dare give me a dirty look because I'm letting my five-year-old and my three-year-old chug Mountain Dew and play 'Scream Tag' in the aisles at this 10PM showing of 'I Spit On Your Grave'"-type parents more than the non-parents hate them.


I think you greatly underestimate how much I hate them.
 
2013-09-17 08:00:57 AM  

Cozret: I'm always impressed at how proud parents are of having accomplished tasks that the major of organisms on the planet accomplish.


That's what I don't get.

Every cluster of cells crawling on Earth has figured out how to make more clusters. Being a parent only means you are as smart as a trilobite.
 
2013-09-17 08:01:14 AM  

cannibalparrot: I've run into this kind of attitude before...

"You can't have an opinion on abortion! You're a MAN!"


Wow, that sounds quite insane if meant wholeheartedly and not as a shortcut. I have heard "Your opinion about abortion is less valid because you've never experienced any of the related issues," which seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
2013-09-17 08:01:23 AM  

Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.


I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?
 
2013-09-17 08:01:38 AM  

Cozret: The Muthaship: Since when did experience count for anything?

So an M.D. without kids vs Jenny McCarthy . . .you're taking her view on vaccination then?


I swear those goalposts were here a minute ago....
 
2013-09-17 08:01:39 AM  

Doc Daneeka: It's really the only way to deal with tantrums.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-17 08:02:13 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


Done in one.
 
2013-09-17 08:02:25 AM  

Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.


This, completely this.

every parenting style is as unique as the family unit raising the kids.

also, I think some parents and singles alike forget that it does indeed take a village.

These kids are our future surgeons, police officers, scientists etc.

It really is in our collective interests that they're well taken care of and educated.
 
2013-09-17 08:02:50 AM  
You know what, that blog post did raise a good point. I had blindly assumed parents were being selfish dicks when they were ignoring their kids when they could just do something to make the infant shut up. Now I realise it's not that simple, because I never thought about it before.

However please, for the love of god, don't take your kids on holiday by air if they cannot behave. If they're not old enough to not scream then don't bring them on the plane. Or at least beg with us for the airlines to make childless flights. Meet us halfway here. What harm does childless flights do you? None, you get the same plane to get where you're going, and I probably have to pay extra to have a stress free flight. Everyone is happy.

The last 2 flights out of the country I've been on I've been set in front of screaming children. I can't take it. Hours and hours of screaming. If I was American it might be easier because I could drive everywhere, but you can't always drive around Europe, especially when going to island destinations.

I now know why the kids keep screaming, and I can appreciate what you're trying to do, but help us all out here and try to not subject everyone to it in enclosed spaces. Please. You must be able to remember, from your pre-parent days, how angry hearing another persons child scream for an hour can make you. If you hadn't experienced that before becoming a parent then you were probably quite lucky. You put headphones on but that doesn't drown it out, and then for good measure he starts kicking the back of your seat. I could weep with exasperation just remembering it.

What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?  I just want to find a solution to our respective problems. I know we can do it. If there's one think Fark is good for it's rational, and well tempered conversation leading to fruitful debate where all parties leave amicably.

Also, everyone else, don't clap and cheer when the plane lands. Who does that? I mean really. It's just silly.
 
2013-09-17 08:03:00 AM  
I am a big fan of opera.  When my two girls used to act up in the store I would begin to belt out the final scene of "Don Giovanni" at the top of my lungs.  Yah, it got me a few looks, but it only took a couple of bars and it was like my kids were walking in a funeral procession.  Worked like the sweet, sweet musical magic it is.
 
2013-09-17 08:03:26 AM  
You're kid's right to exist and your right to not be ridiculed as a clueless parent ends at my nose.  If you can't control your kid, remove him/her from society until he/she learns.
 
2013-09-17 08:03:51 AM  

Cyclometh: Lady J:

encountering =/= encountering screeching brat

Spare me. You could be on the bus with a mom on her way to the doctor with a child that has an earache, or fell down getting on and barked a shin and is crying about it and you'd be right there with the other delicate flowers in this thread telling her she's a bad mother and should get off the bus until her "fark trophy" calms down, right?

I swear, every one of these threads is like a catalog of entitled snowflakes. Bunch of candy-asses, I can't believe you can possibly function in the real world.

What the fark do you people do when instead of having an encounter with a child, you run into an adult who is actually an asshole?  If you can't handle a child getting worked up, i can't imagine you're well-prepared for the harsh realities of life.

Maybe you should just stay home until you're better prepared to deal with people you might encounter as soon as you leave.


ragey. i hope you don't take out that temper on your kids
 
2013-09-17 08:03:53 AM  
I don't understand people who hate children so much. You do know you were that screaming a-hole at one point in your life right?
 
2013-09-17 08:04:35 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: at one point


????
 
2013-09-17 08:04:55 AM  

flucto: Tat'dGreaser: at one point

????


I meant yesterday
 
2013-09-17 08:04:57 AM  
Lady J: ragey. i hope you don't take out that temper on your kids

Bless your heart.
 
2013-09-17 08:04:58 AM  

justanothersumguy: I am a big fan of opera.  When my two girls used to act up in the store I would begin to belt out the final scene of "Don Giovanni" at the top of my lungs.  Yah, it got me a few looks, but it only took a couple of bars and it was like my kids were walking in a funeral procession.  Worked like the sweet, sweet musical magic it is.


Ah the power of perceived social stigma.

You.  I like you.
 
2013-09-17 08:05:06 AM  

WrathOfCaan: //Godwin'ed


Yes. But it was subtle.
 
2013-09-17 08:06:49 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Infernalist: I love how parents have come to think that ignoring a temper tantrum is the proper course of action to take, ESPECIALLY in public.

It's really the only way to deal with tantrums.

If you give into the child's demands or fall all over yourself to placate him, the child just learns that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want, and will do it more often in the future.  If you drop everything and run out of the store, it's the same deal - the child takes away the lesson that they are in control and can get you to stop and leave a place they don't want to be simply by throwing a tantrum.  Threats don't work on a toddler - they're not capable of processing that kind of reasoning, especially when they are in that kind of emotional state.

The only thing to o, if you want to discourage tantrums from happening, is to tell you child calmly that the tantrum won't get them what they want, and then calmly, quickly, and efficiently finish your errand. The child will learn that the tantrum was not an effective way of commanding your attention and actions.


You're wrong.  Kids aren't that smart.  They're not throwing a tantrum so they can get what they want.  They're throwing a fit because they've reached their limit on coping with denial.  Those limits are usually low to begin with, but when a child is tired and hungry and just wants to go home, those limits are all but nonexistent.

Take any child in the temper tantrum range, keep them up for hours, no nap, no snack, and see how long they last before they lose their shiat.  It's got NOTHING to do with bargaining with the parents.  It's got everything to do with their lack of coping.

Learn to put your child down for a nap an hour before you need to leave for the store.  Feed them some crackers on the way to the store or in the store.  A rested child with a full belly is a happy child that doesn't freak out when you say 'no' to whatever it is that they want.
 
2013-09-17 08:07:12 AM  

marsoft: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?


Zookeepers are professionals who have had professional training in the care of animals. Idiot parents, not so much.
 
2013-09-17 08:07:20 AM  
I have the privilege of being able to say "No, I don't have kids. But I've worked with abused and behaviorally challenged kids for the last 5 years. The kind of kids of you have to restrain and seclude, then play legos with 30 minutes later. I know a bit."


That shuts them up.
 
2013-09-17 08:07:33 AM  
Screaming kids are obnoxious and annoying.  Sanctimonious, self centered douchbags so offended that anything might inconvenience them slightly are obnoxious and annoying.

One of those two groups is young and doesn't know better.

Get over yourself.  There are a lot of people on this planet, live and let live.  It will be ok.
 
2013-09-17 08:08:15 AM  
Got to the point where all I had to do was clear my throat, and they were like...."Holy Shat, dad is going to start singing!"
 
2013-09-17 08:08:51 AM  
I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public. And besides, it's way more fun to go talk to the kid (assuming they're not in the process of being punished) and try to distract them from what's upsetting them, especially when you can get them grinning.

And when I have been able to take my cousins on my own (though most of them were past the toddler stage at that point, but not always), they behave great. Because I'm their cousin and not a parent. Same trip with a parent or my grandmother along, and things aren't always as peachy. It does help that if I have them on my own, I have free time and can spoil them with all-day trips to the park and such.
 
2013-09-17 08:13:30 AM  

justanothersumguy: Got to the point where all I had to do was clear my throat, and they were like...."Holy Shat, dad is going to start singing!"


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2013-09-17 08:13:40 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Screaming kids are obnoxious and annoying.  Sanctimonious, self centered douchbags so offended that anything might inconvenience them slightly are obnoxious and annoying.

One of those two groups is young and doesn't know better.

Get over yourself.  There are a lot of people on this planet, live and let live.  It will be ok.


You mean the parents are young and don't know better? You're right. Kind strangers will be more than happy to let you know you are being a terrible parent.
 
2013-09-17 08:14:40 AM  

TalenLee: cannibalparrot: I've run into this kind of attitude before...

"You can't have an opinion on abortion! You're a MAN!"

Wow, that sounds quite insane if meant wholeheartedly and not as a shortcut. I have heard "Your opinion about abortion is less valid because you've never experienced any of the related issues," which seems pretty reasonable to me.


Nope.  She meant exactly what she said.

/She ended the debate, so I guess there's that.
 
2013-09-17 08:16:11 AM  
i used to get annoyed about kids screaming and being loud in public. Then I had a kid. Now I think its endlessly amusing.

Also, there's a world of difference between tantrum throwing and general normal kid noise. 95% percent of the racket is just kid noise. Kids are noisy. Well behaved kids are also loud at times. It's just the way it is.
 
2013-09-17 08:17:45 AM  
I don't have kids, but they don't bother me at all. They're pretty funny when they run around screaming and breaking stuff. Even a bawling baby on the airplane is probably having massive stabby pains in the ear, so I feel sorry for them.
I do hate new mommies though. That tone of voice they use, even with other adults. They almost never look happy. And what is it with the farking khaki mom shorts with the little turned up cuffs? And the $2,000 strollers (Hoboken thing maybe)? I can't go to my local Starbucks any more - it's been occupied by lame-shorts-wearing new mommies babytalking to other new mommies about snowflake stuff. farking kill me.
Then there's the mommy bloggers. A real live human woman who is not at all embarrassed to call themselves a mommy blogger or mommy advocate. I can't fap to that. I can't fap to that at all.
 
2013-09-17 08:19:03 AM  

marsoft: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?


Personally, I wouldn't, necessarily. I know a woman who runs a "bird rehab". Her birds are obviously atrociously cared-for. I've never had a kestrel, but I know how to tell one is not well taken care of.

So, keeping the metaphor going, some zookeepers don't know what they're doing. Some zookeepers get eaten by lions, and then even people who have never had a pet can rightly say "Wow, that guy was a bad zookeeper."
 
2013-09-17 08:19:29 AM  
You know how the Iraq war turned the country into a terrorist training ground?

This thread is just like that, but for trolls.

Absolutely magnificent.
 
2013-09-17 08:20:20 AM  

Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public. And besides, it's way more fun to go talk to the kid (assuming they're not in the process of being punished) and try to distract them from what's upsetting them, especially when you can get them grinning.

And when I have been able to take my cousins on my own (though most of them were past the toddler stage at that point, but not always), they behave great. Because I'm their cousin and not a parent. Same trip with a parent or my grandmother along, and things aren't always as peachy. It does help that if I have them on my own, I have free time and can spoil them with all-day trips to the park and such.


I had the same experience with my 2 little nephews. Maybe it was because I treated them like little humans and not just as kids.
As soon as my sister was around, different story.
 
2013-09-17 08:23:23 AM  

Cyclometh: Lady J:

encountering =/= encountering screeching brat

Spare me. You could be on the bus with a mom on her way to the doctor with a child that has an earache, or fell down getting on and barked a shin and is crying about it and you'd be right there with the other delicate flowers in this thread telling her she's a bad mother and should get off the bus until her "fark trophy" calms down, right?

I swear, every one of these threads is like a catalog of entitled snowflakes. Bunch of candy-asses, I can't believe you can possibly function in the real world.

What the fark do you people do when instead of having an encounter with a child, you run into an adult who is actually an asshole?


Man, I wonder where those people come from? I'm sure their parents raised them right, because parents are always right about their kids.
 
2013-09-17 08:25:21 AM  
Isn't parenting nothing more than trial by fire?  Somehow I doubt that by having a child an individual magically becomes a parenting expert.  They know how they deal with their children.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If I went out and purchased a skill saw, lathe, planer and other assorted carpentry tools that doesn't automatically transform me into a master craftsmen.  Same with children and parenting.  Other people's input will help you hone your skills.  Just because you may not agree with or like what is being offered doesn't mean that it doesn't work.  It may be that it just doesn't work for you.  Both sides.  Get over it.
 
2013-09-17 08:26:46 AM  

RayD8: Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public. And besides, it's way more fun to go talk to the kid (assuming they're not in the process of being punished) and try to distract them from what's upsetting them, especially when you can get them grinning.

And when I have been able to take my cousins on my own (though most of them were past the toddler stage at that point, but not always), they behave great. Because I'm their cousin and not a parent. Same trip with a parent or my grandmother along, and things aren't always as peachy. It does help that if I have them on my own, I have free time and can spoil them with all-day trips to the park and such.

I had the same experience with my 2 little nephews. Maybe it was because I treated them like little humans and not just as kids.
As soon as my sister was around, different story.


My mom and I were in charge of my three-year-old baby cousin a couple years ago. I warned him not to cross my mom because she was "the meanest mom". We got into a cute little debate over whose mom was the meanest. A few minutes later, he hit my mom with a toy dinosaur after she'd told him not to, and she made him go to his room for a few minutes.

As he passed me on the way out, he conceded, "She is mean!"

/he was a nightmare around his mom, but pretty good around his dad, and from then on, a friggin' angel around my mom
//she doesn't take shiat from anybody
 
2013-09-17 08:26:53 AM  
All you need to know about raising kids is that they don't like bright light, don't get them wet, and no matter how much they beg or cry, never feed them after midnight.
 
2013-09-17 08:27:10 AM  
If you sit next to me in a restaurant and give your kids an iPad to shut them up, that's cool. If you think I'm not going to fart at your table if I can HEAR the iPad, then you are in f
 
2013-09-17 08:27:54 AM  
or a big sulfur-y surprise!
 
2013-09-17 08:28:52 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?


Didn't read the article, discipline sounds useful.

As far as non-parents knowing more about parenting, I'd have to point out that I watch parents occupy their kids in supermarkets by letting them go annoy others or play with stuff--that is, pull things off the shelf and throw it around, or spin trolleys full of product, essentially "go touch something that isn't yours or mommy's and stop bothering mommy."  Someone else has to deal with them, and clean up their mess.  And when you tell them they're raising their kid wrong... they get all snippy.

Then the kid is 14 and is a shoplifter and drug dealer and likes to tresspass and mess with other peoples' stuff.

Then he gets shot in the face by a farmer with a shotgun.

"ALL HE WAS DOING WAS EATING SOME APPLES!  YOU HAVE TEN MILLION APPLES!"

Yup.  He was stealin' my apples.  Ya don't understand "stealin'"?

We have people who are like... their kids are screaming and slamming toys on someone else's furniture or car, causing damage.  "Well you can't tell him to stop, he's 3 years old, he won't listen."  I've heard this excuse.  A lot.  And then... you have 3 year old Asian kids who suddenly stop and look up to you when they're in your way, and try to find a way to resolve the situation quickly and effectively.  And they clean up their toys.  And try to make sure they're not bothering anyone else or making a mess or damaging anything when they're occupying themselves.  biatch YOU ARE WRONG, SHOUT AT THE THREE YEAR OLD AND TAKE HIS TOYS AWAY.

But no, I'm not a parent, I can't possibly know anything about how kids work.  Obviously asians are just superior and we should euthanize your kids and sterilize you because your genetics are failure and need to be expunged.
 
2013-09-17 08:32:45 AM  
Some parents have very well behaved children that do not annoy other adults when in public. If this does not describe your children and you persist in taking them out in public, you are bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-09-17 08:33:05 AM  
time for a send them down the mines joke?
 
2013-09-17 08:33:16 AM  
Probably 60 international flights and I only ever had one mid-flight meltdown.... with an 8 month old.   Nothing I could do... but since I'm the Dad I was getting disapproving looks from some females.  Fat, ugly woman right behind me said "why don't you control that child.  She woke me up" in the rudest possible tone.  I asked her if crying babies bothered her on airplanes.  She said yes, of course.  So I told her loud enough for the cabin to hear "the get your own private farking airplane and you won't have that problem".  She got laughed at by about 50 people and, as if by magic, baby stopped crying and started laughing too.
 
2013-09-17 08:34:26 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.


Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?
 
2013-09-17 08:35:02 AM  
Meanwhile, all of these 'kids causing havoc' things... I mean, I can't honestly think of the last time I've seen that. I do my own grocery shopping, sometimes with my wife, and... like, I can't think of seeing kids bawling in the aisles or throwing tantrums. I'll overhear a "Can I have that?" or a "No we can't have that," or a "Put that back," but it's overhearing.

Sometimes on a bus I'll hear a kid get a real wail on and that makes me super uncomfortable. The sound makes me feel ill and nervous and I fret. Sometimes my wife and I will be bothered by this, and one will roll their eyes and the other will sympathise some and we'll keep it to ourselves. This is like when say, a loud asshole sits too close and sings really loudly along with his phone.

It's this... strange cultural gap, really.
 
2013-09-17 08:36:20 AM  

Mugato: jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.


And when King wrote The Shining, they were not supposed to be twins. Kubrick thought it would ramp up the creepy or something. Which it did.
 
2013-09-17 08:36:53 AM  

Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public.


If a kid is having a tantrum and the parent is trying to do something about it that's one thing. It's the parents that ignore it and continue about there business as if nothing is going on while their kid loses their mind or is running around creating chaos.

Frankly, I don't understand how even they can stand it.
 
2013-09-17 08:37:52 AM  
I can't lay an egg, either. But I can smell a bad one.
 
2013-09-17 08:37:52 AM  

robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.


Here we go-
I contribute to SNAP and a host of other things that support your elderly parents but my parents are DEAD.
I contribute to legislators that rule on a host of issues that HAVE NO BEARING ON MY LIFE
I pay taxes for things I will NEVER SEE
General Electric PAYS NO TAXES and yet USES MY ROADS.
it's called an inequity.  They're everywhere.  I hope you are never effected by any but if you are, it's too bad, join the club.
Have a great day with perhaps a bit more perspective.

or-

AngryDragon: You're kid's right to exist and your right to not be ridiculed as a clueless parent ends at my nose.  If you can't control your kid, remove him/her from society until he/she learns.

You're kid's

parents right to exist and your right to not be ridiculed as a clueless parentchild ends at my nose.  If you can't control your kid parent, remove him/her from society until he/she learns.

And just keep your smelly whiney dirty diaper Alzheimer or Parkinsons afflicted elderly parents at home where they belong not sucking up state aid by the bucketful.

It's odd how some saws cut in BOTH directions isn't it?

some people choose not to have kids and that's okay.  some people choose to have kids and THAT's okay.
Everyone has parents, and, depending on how you handle it, that's okay.

Is anyone embarrassed when there's a Silver Alert for their parents that effects the entire state?  When everyone that's even passing through the state is requested to be on the look out for an elderly person with no brains or teeth?
Not bloody likely.
Does anyone complain about the expense when the local authorities have to send out search teams with dogs to find the missing elderly?  Like your deadbeat parents?
Not bloody likely.

So learn some simple human compassion.  It's gonna serve you well in the future.  Even if your parents are DEAD.  You know, act like a christian or something - give it a shot.

*stands, wipes hands on pants, walks away*
 
2013-09-17 08:38:41 AM  
Kids are kids.  They are great, MOST of the time.  That being said, I have no real issues with kids that are having a bad day, I don't automatically go "wow, shiatty parent there!" and stomp off, giving the stink eye.

However, the blogger is a pants on head retarded douchebag.  Just like the stranger who was a colossal douchebag.  Both douchebags.

The mom, clever girl.  I hope her day got better.

/childless
//love being around all my siblings' kids....for a few hours at a time
///no one needs to be a douchebag about it
///DOUCHEBAGS!

(yes, it's early yet)
 
2013-09-17 08:39:31 AM  

bluefoxicy: HaywoodJablonski: The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?

Didn't read the article, discipline sounds useful.

As far as non-parents knowing more about parenting, I'd have to point out that I watch parents occupy their kids in supermarkets by letting them go annoy others or play with stuff--that is, pull things off the shelf and throw it around, or spin trolleys full of product, essentially "go touch something that isn't yours or mommy's and stop bothering mommy."  Someone else has to deal with them, and clean up their mess.  And when you tell them they're raising their kid wrong... they get all snippy.

Then the kid is 14 and is a shoplifter and drug dealer and likes to tresspass and mess with other peoples' stuff.

Then he gets shot in the face by a farmer with a shotgun.

"ALL HE WAS DOING WAS EATING SOME APPLES!  YOU HAVE TEN MILLION APPLES!"

Yup.  He was stealin' my apples.  Ya don't understand "stealin'"?

We have people who are like... their kids are screaming and slamming toys on someone else's furniture or car, causing damage.  "Well you can't tell him to stop, he's 3 years old, he won't listen."  I've heard this excuse.  A lot.  And then... you have 3 year old Asian kids who suddenly stop and look up to you when they're in your way, and try to find a way to resolve the situation quickly and effectively.  And they clean up their toys.  And try to make sure they're not bothering anyone else or making a mess or damaging anything when they're occupying themselves.  biatch YOU ARE WRONG, SHOUT AT THE THREE YEAR OLD AND TAKE HIS TOYS AWAY.

But no, I'm not a parent, I can't possibly know anything about how kids work.  Obviously asians are just superior and we should euthanize your kids and sterilize you because your genetics are failure and need to be expunged.


Yeah, those damn trolleys. A gateway crime.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:17 AM  

TalenLee: Sometimes on a bus I'll hear a kid get a real wail on and that makes me super uncomfortable.


That's because there's actually a physiological reaction to a child's crying. Humans respond to it far more than they do other noises. It's also why even when there's plenty of other stuff going on that's really distracting or noisy, a child's cry is so easy to hear.

We're programmed to respond to it.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:18 AM  
TalenLee: Meanwhile, all of these 'kids causing havoc' things... I mean, I can't honestly think of the last time I've seen that. I do my own grocery shopping, sometimes with my wife, and... like, I can't think of seeing kids bawling in the aisles or throwing tantrums. I'll overhear a "Can I have that?" or a "No we can't have that," or a "Put that back," but it's overhearing.

I can tell you don't shop at Wal-Mart on weekends...
 
2013-09-17 08:40:31 AM  

Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?


Absolutely.  I LOVE that idea.  In fact, the last time I booked flights with my kids, I planned to leave Toronto at 7am, four hour flight to Denver while they're rested and happy and fed, lots of toys and games to entertain them.  Hour and a half layover in Denver at lunch time, two hour flight to Phoenix with the little one napping and both fed and happy.  It would have been WONDERFUL.

Then, windstorm in Toronto.  Flight delayed, ON THE TARMAC, for 2 hours.  They were getting antsy but the Ipad kept my boy busy (and the de-icer, that was cool for him) - he's 3.  The baby (10 months) we just passed around between the three adults and kept feeding her.  She fell asleep on the flight once we finally took off, and he miraculously kept his cool, with a little bit of excited yelling (THAT'S THE WHEELS COMING OUT MOMMY!  WHOA WE'RE TIPPING!) upon descent in Denver.  Missed our connection, so SEVEN FREAKING HOURS in the Denver airport with two bored kids.  Ran about on the moving sidewalks for a long time.  Finally got on a packed flight to Phoenix, where we had to sit all scattered around.  Both promptly fell asleep and woke when we landed.  No crying.  The only tantrum we had was waiting to board the flight to Phoenix with the 3yo (he just wanted to get on NOW), and my husband when we missed our connection.  OH, and the guy who was politely asked to switch seats so that my husband could sit beside our 3yo.  I was like, Dude, sure, you can stay here with him, I'm sure Dad would love to have a quiet flight somewhere else on the plane.

So, maybe that parent on that plane HAD planned well.  Had scheduled those optimum hours, brought snacks and games to weather a flight or two - and the airlines s*&t all over it.  Hm?
 
2013-09-17 08:41:14 AM  
You know what? Fark you you sanctimonious parents.  The author is justifying the parent letting the child be a shrieking nuisance because they "didn't have time" to deal with the child because it was "inconvenient." Tough shiat.  I'm not complaining about your parenting because your child is acting out (yes, I know children do that) but because you are being  selfish and inconsiderate by not dealing with it appropriately and instead making the unilateral choice to make your problem  my problem.  Is it a bigger inconvenience for you to have to stop your shopping and sit in your car with your kid than it is for me to listen to screaming for 40 seconds? Yes, but it's also  not my child and I'm not required to put up with its misbehavior.

And if you are a parent who is not doing something to control a tantruming child in a grocery store, you're damn right I'll have an opinion.  Same as I have an opinion about people who sneeze on the produce or haven't showered in days.Stop trying to blame people for being annoyed at  you for not doing something about that problem that you brought in with you.
 
2013-09-17 08:41:17 AM  
"Many people, big and small, are assholes"
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-17 08:42:59 AM  

shut_it_down: You know what? Fark you you sanctimonious parents.  The author is justifying the parent letting the child be a shrieking nuisance because they "didn't have time" to deal with the child because it was "inconvenient."


I like how you put things the author didn't say in quotes, like it was something in the article, so you can attack it.

That's called a strawman, in case you were wondering.
 
2013-09-17 08:43:40 AM  

Civchic: So, maybe that parent on that plane HAD planned well.  Had scheduled those optimum hours, brought snacks and games to weather a flight or two - and the airlines s*&t all over it.  Hm?


Ok, drug them when they board the plane instead.
 
2013-09-17 08:46:03 AM  
Did you hear the story about two assholes that met at the supermarket?
 
2013-09-17 08:46:09 AM  

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.

Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?


Very nice.  You counter your original argument 'I don't have to be a parent to know a bad one' with a litany of your qualifications as a parent.  You realize that you pretty much undermined your own argument.

Also, as an uncle and occasional babysitter of friends kids, my experience indicates that there is a world of difference between having to parent kids full time, and parent them only for small sprints in usually controlled circumstances.

And I made no statement about you.  Just made a declarative statement that I will stand by.  Sensitive much?
 
2013-09-17 08:46:37 AM  

Civchic: Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?


Only problem I see with that theory is that if you have to fly from the west coast of the US to the east coast and want to arrive at a quasi-decent hour for kids, you are taking off at 6amish.
 
2013-09-17 08:47:00 AM  
Ha! it's funny how butthurt shiatty parents get when they're called on their shiatty parenting.

But don't forget! You're a PARENT, and as such, better than others who aren't.
 
2013-09-17 08:48:18 AM  
Perfect for baby showers:
www.barkingpet.com
 
2013-09-17 08:49:31 AM  

doubled99: Ha! it's funny how butthurt shiatty parents get when they're called on their shiatty parenting.

But don't forget! You're a PARENT, and as such, better than others who aren't.


Are you honestly arguing that being a parent does not give you more insight in the challenges of being a parent?  Seriously?
 
2013-09-17 08:50:47 AM  

safeforwork: And in the reverse: I know for a fact that MANY (by many I mean among my own experiences) 'anti child' people are perfectly okay smoking in public, or drinking and driving, or throwing their own temper tantrums, and expect everyone to 'just deal with it'


Today's lesson:  Don't be a dick in public.
 
2013-09-17 08:50:59 AM  

TalenLee: Maybe they'll make nice rooms for people with no kids to go and sit in places they can be (relatively) sure they won't have to hear children crying? I dunno. The blog post seems to be responding to a petty asshole by being a sanctimonious asshole.


This.

Non-parents need to understand that kids throw temper tantrums sometimes, regardless of the quality of the parenting, so learn to deal with it. Alternatively, the author says, "the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple; maybe you don't have time to shut down the whole operation just because Billy's gone nuclear." Sometimes that is true, but you don't get a free pass every time simply because it is an inconvenience to you to be respectful of everyone else in public.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:15 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: These kids are our future surgeons, police officers, scientists etc.


I'll give you the police officers, but the future scientists and surgeons are sitting down to supper in India right about now.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:47 AM  

abhorrent1: How about you parents quit expecting everyone to change the way they live to accommodate your little farking brat?

Oh. You don't like what's on TV because your snowflake may see it? Here's a news flash: You TV has a power button!


I don't get upset about crap like that, because I'm not a sanctimonious biatch. I do, however, get upset when childless people suggest that I should never bring my child out in public because they *might* act out and remind said person that the world doesn't revolve around them. And I'm not talking fancy restaurants (haven't been to one of those in forever). But one day I took my toddler son to Long John Silver's. The place was completely empty, so we stayed to eat. Two enormous women came in as I was throwing our stuff away, and my son was singing a song. Those two cows started making comments very loudly about how they were *going* to eat there, but they couldn't because then they would have to listen to that "brat". It was all I could do to not tell those biatches off with "I wouldn't stay because I'd be afraid you'd eat my 'brat'". One of my husband's friends is a childless lawyer, and he was complaining that parents were always bringing their kids with them to his office. I said "Maybe if you worked past 4 pm in the afternoon, people wouldn't have to. Where are they supposed to find a babysitter at 10:30 am on a Thursday morning?" Same with doctors, mechanics, post offices, etc etc.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:56 AM  

earthwirm: Onkel Buck: I know well enough to learn from others mistakes

I highly doubt that.


Then you would be mistaken, see I just learned something else. Never assume

/I dont like your farking cats either
 
2013-09-17 08:53:59 AM  

Falstaff: Civchic: Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?

Only problem I see with that theory is that if you have to fly from the west coast of the US to the east coast and want to arrive at a quasi-decent hour for kids, you are taking off at 6amish.


It's a minor problem compared to another flight with a child screaming. Not excitedly talking, laughing, pointing things out, but screaming, wailing, thrashing, screeching, sticking a knife into my eardrums.
 
2013-09-17 08:56:07 AM  
You're the only person who likes your kids, well you and the pervert at the park may take a shine to them as well
 
2013-09-17 08:56:57 AM  

Doc Daneeka: +1000000 points for the blogger.


And then -10,000,000 points for being a sexist creationist antivaxxer, who never met a strawman he didn't like.
 
2013-09-17 08:58:31 AM  
I dated a lady with 5 kids.
All boys.
All very young.
When they would start to get loud, she would say, "Don't be shrill"
She actually kept me around longer than I would have liked because she could handle all 5 at once.
Problem was, she was also handling more than 5 at once, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-09-17 09:00:19 AM  
I've never pitched in the big leagues either, but I recognize a guy who can't find the strike zone when I see one.
 
2013-09-17 09:00:37 AM  
It's usually hard to fault a parent when you see their child have a public tantrum... the first time.

Repeated public tantrums indicate a child unfamiliar with consequences.
 
2013-09-17 09:01:17 AM  
I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.
 
2013-09-17 09:02:04 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.

Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?

Very nice.  You counter your original argument 'I don't have to be a parent to know a bad one' with a litany of your qualifications as a parent.  You realize that you pretty much undermined your own argument.

Also, as an uncle and occasional babysitter of friends kids, my experience indicates that there is a world of difference between having to parent kids full time, and parent them only for small sprints in usually controlled circumstances.
And I made no statement about you.  Just made a declarative statement that I will stand by.  Sensitive much?


No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.
 
2013-09-17 09:02:08 AM  
Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?

y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.
n: Return to shopping.

Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Sincerely,

One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system
 
2013-09-17 09:04:34 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science. Any idiot can do it,


This has to be the funniest single thing I'll see today. You are simultaneously advocating locking children in the car alone, which in most states will get you a free wood shampoo on your way to the pokey, and boasting about your mad parenting skillz.

You are my new hero.
 
2013-09-17 09:06:54 AM  

Albinoman: No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.


So, a guy who says that non-parents are qualified to critique parents, then backs this argument up by saying that he was a de facto parent and then therefore qualified.  So, my label of idiot applies in two ways.  First, you basically misreprented yourself, then tried to claim I was wrong because I was passing judgement based on your original self characterization (as a non-parent).  Second, you undermined your own argument by saying that your right as a non-parent to criticize comes from your experience in a parental role.

So, yeah, idiot applies.
 
2013-09-17 09:08:57 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: It's usually hard to fault a parent when you see their child have a public tantrum... the first time.

Repeated public tantrums indicate a child unfamiliar with consequences.


How can you tell the difference?
 
2013-09-17 09:10:59 AM  
I hate kids. Specifically other people's kids. I have one of my own though, and he has been properly acclimated to function in society without causing a disturbance to others - specifically on airplanes and in restaurants. He is better behaved than most adults in similar situations I think. Maybe that is because their parents raised them wrong as well. It is not difficult to create a functioning young person though as a parent, but it does involve discapline, fear of punishment and a 3DS/Iphone.
 
2013-09-17 09:11:40 AM  

Bslim: Keep your filthy crotchfruit at home.


this
 
2013-09-17 09:11:48 AM  
I just don't get it.  How is this any different than anything else that's annoying in life and that you have to deal with when you go into public?  How is it any different than that guy on his phone who bumps into you on the street?  Or the dude who cut you off on the way to the store?  Or the person in the store who's blocking exactly the item you need to purchase, and can't make up their mind about what they want?  These are instances you come across with in your life as a human being.  It's annoying and frustrating, but honestly there's no reason to be a complete dick over it.  Yeah i have my opinions about these people like anyone else, but a little patience goes a long way.  If you feel the need to publicly shame someone, insult someone, or directly shove you're opinion down their throat, you're an asshole first and foremost.

Is it really that difficult to understand that some kids are just a pain in the ass sometimes?   That not every instance of life can be completely under your control?   I don't think you need to have children to be able to empathize with the struggles it presents.  If the kid is whining, crying, and carrying on for an extended period of time and the parent refuses to do anything, I can see that as a reason to be upset.  But i still don't think its appropriate for you to confront that person with your narrow opinion.  You have no idea what any stranger is currently going through in their life, be it that day, week or year.  Get over yourself.  It really is a very minor inconvenience.
 
2013-09-17 09:12:49 AM  

puckrock2000: Doc Daneeka: +1000000 points for the blogger.

And then -10,000,000 points for being a sexist creationist antivaxxer, who never met a strawman he didn't like.


+1 (to Puckrock2000.... not the Ahole blogger)
 
2013-09-17 09:13:12 AM  
How has this not been posted yet????

i242.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 09:14:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.


Actual Step 5: Get arrested for child abandonment when someone notices unattended children, locked in a car, in a grocery store parking lot.  Dude, our parents may have done this when we were kids but unless you've been under a rock, this is a HUGE bad idea.  You can't even leave a dog in a parked car anymore.  I can't even pump gas at a station without using the pay-at-the-pump, because I'd have to haul two kids out of their car seats and into the station to pay.
 
2013-09-17 09:14:27 AM  
Of course non-parents are allowed to have opinions on how to rear human mini-beasts.
It's just that hvaing an opinoin and having a valid opinion is two different things.
And having an opinion and loudly voicing that opinion is two different things.

See, if you think blue is a better color for a car than yellow, that's perfectly okay. Going up to every yellow-colored car you see and loudly proclaiming that they suck at owning cars is still stupid.

And, if you think that it sucks that your your car has four wheels and that it would be better if it had three that is perfectly within your right. You're wrong, but so are we all at some point or another. Not voicing your very very stupid opinion will help you convince others that you are not very very stupid. So please keep your mouth shut.

To paraphrase (and translate) Håvamål:

It's better to keep your mouth shut
And let people belive you a fool
than to open your mouth
and remove all doubt.

PS! in old norse it rhymes and is thus more awsome
 
2013-09-17 09:14:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?

y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.
n: Return to shopping.

Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Sincerely,

One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system


a: You're on the way to the ER seeking treatment for kid's dehydaration and or heat stroke?
 
2013-09-17 09:15:18 AM  

jfivealive: Is it really that difficult to understand that some kids are just a pain in the ass sometimes?


Sure, but you'd have to be living on Mars to not know that there is a special kind of parent out there who just doesn't give a crap about how much disruption their kids are causing. Example: kid on airplane recently who went up and down the aisle knocking over people's drinks. Over and over. Did mom give a crap? Hah. Little Timmy is just being creative, why are you trying to stifle him you bad, bad person.
 
2013-09-17 09:16:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.


Here in the Sunshine state, that's a second degree misdemeanor with up to a $500 fine and 60 days in jail as penalties.  Hope that shopping trip was worth it to you.
 
2013-09-17 09:17:02 AM  

smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


You are awesome! "Hey lady, if your 3-yo wants to scream and cry look at me, I'm a grown person who's going to show him up. Look at me!! LOOK AT ME!!"

// Farktard
 
2013-09-17 09:17:14 AM  

RayD8: a: You're on the way to the ER seeking treatment for kid's dehydaration and or heat stroke?


No the kid is on his way to the ER and child protective services and

b: he's on his way to the pokey.
 
2013-09-17 09:19:32 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?

y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.
n: Return to shopping.

Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Sincerely,

One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system


You know how I know you're southern?
 
2013-09-17 09:19:33 AM  

Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.


Get a nanny? Yes, if your child EVER throws a tantrum, borrow money from your parents and get a nanny.

// Oh you're NOT a parent? I am going to die of a heart attach from not suprise
// Please do not reproduce
 
2013-09-17 09:21:57 AM  

GoldSpider: Something tells me that many of these parents who want you to "just deal with" their shrieking crotchfruit have a slightly different opinion on second-hand smoke.


BREAKING: GoldSpider has successfully linked lung cancer to children screaming. News at 9!

// Anything else you want to pull out of your ass?
 
2013-09-17 09:24:03 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

So, a guy who says that non-parents are qualified to critique parents, then backs this argument up by saying that he was a de facto parent and then therefore qualified.  So, my label of idiot applies in two ways.  First, you basically misreprented yourself, then tried to claim I was wrong because I was passing judgement based on your original self characterization (as a non-parent).  Second, you undermined your own argument by saying that your right as a non-parent to criticize comes from your experience in a parental role.

So, yeah, idiot applies.


First, thanks for admitting you were originally passing judgment this time instead of claiming it was just some "declarative statement" about no one like you did before. I mean really, anyone could see that.

I don't really think it's a hard concept to grasp that while having no children of my own I have had to play that role. I don't see anywhere where I stated otherwise. Feel free to quote me. My opinions about screaming brats and their shiatty parents have never changed. What you don't get is that I did it with out any prior knowledge, you just go into it blind cause you don't have a choice and what that means is what parents think they know through experience really doesn't count for much. You're mostly programmed for it, so the observations of those without children are perfectly valid.
 
2013-09-17 09:24:06 AM  
The public temper tantrums aren't a problem because they will happen to most kids at some point.  I just carry on with my business.

It really grinds my gears when it is the parents with <5 yr olds at the Dark Knight (or worse: "Ted" - that Mark Wahlberg movie with the talking teddy bear) matinee or the mommy club with infants at the Hobbit midnight premiere.  Also the parents with their elementary schoolers at Wal-Mart at 11:30 on a school night.  There are age-appropriate activities that set children up for success.  When you become a parent (like we are) you give up your college-aged lifestyle as part of the trade-off.
 
2013-09-17 09:24:26 AM  

farm machine: Isn't parenting nothing more than trial by fire?  Somehow I doubt that by having a child an individual magically becomes a parenting expert.  They know how they deal with their children.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If I went out and purchased a skill saw, lathe, planer and other assorted carpentry tools that doesn't automatically transform me into a master craftsmen.  Same with children and parenting.  Other people's input will help you hone your skills.  Just because you may not agree with or like what is being offered doesn't mean that it doesn't work.  It may be that it just doesn't work for you.  Both sides.  Get over it.


Parenting is very much a honed skill that only comes by experience.  One child doesn't exactly makes an expert, however after three I have discovered I can spot a parent of an only child from 20 yards.  I don't mean mom/dad with only one child, I mean I can tell if mom/dad is out with only child or out with the baby while the older kids are at school.  Kids are all very different and yet when it comes to basic needs they are very similar.  Every time a child screams in a store is situational and no blanket response should be thrown out if you really don't know.  It does bother me when a baby is crying because the baby can't control his/her environment and needs something, whether it be food, a changing or is simply tired and can't fall asleep.  An experienced parent can tell by the cry, a new mom will try to rush through shopping instead of helping the child.  The mom is the blog handled it well, keep going mom.  The cases that bother me the most are where I have witnessed the parent inflicting pain on the child for doing nothing wrong before the child started crying out and the parent thens yells at the child for crying.  The worst one I witnessed was a dad who squeezed his daughters arm for singing a made up song about how much he meant to her ON FATHERS' DAY.  It was the only time I wanted to hit a parent for their parenting skills.  Don't get me wrong, if I don't know for a certainty why the child is screaming or crying I don't let myself even think anything in one direction or the other, nor do I offer unsolicited advice.  Folks with multiple children and/or grandchildren have honed their skills if they really spent some time with their children and have a wealth of knowledge to be shared.  The first step is learning to listen to the child.
 
2013-09-17 09:25:01 AM  
Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;
Dear random internet guy;
It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Not everyone has a car.

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"
No he can't. And having to stand next to a cart for ten minutes surely is more irritating than listening to a kid crying over at the other isle.

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.
What car? And a three year old can open that window by himself so you won't have to.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.
A locked door is hardly an obstacle for a smart three-year old. And he's not going to sit quietly in the car (if you have one). He's going to rip everything on the inside to shreds and draw on everything he can't destroy. If he doesn't have something to draw with replace "draw" with "engrave using your sunglasses".

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.
Finally something that I can do.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?
y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.

If I was to stop shopping every time the kid is crying I'd never get to shop anything. Do you expect all parents to grow/gather/hunt their own food?

n: Return to shopping.
Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Every parent you see shopping with a one-four year old kid who isn't having a tantrum is probably having a good shopping trip, not a non-tantrumy kid.

Sincerely, One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system
No way you're reflected enough about kids to be a teacher. So that is a blatant lie. Either that or you're a janitor.
 
2013-09-17 09:25:23 AM  

jfivealive: I just don't get it.  How is this any different than anything else that's annoying in life and that you have to deal with when you go into public?  How is it any different than that guy on his phone who bumps into you on the street?  Or the dude who cut you off on the way to the store?  Or the person in the store who's blocking exactly the item you need to purchase, and can't make up their mind about what they want?  These are instances you come across with in your life as a human being.  It's annoying and frustrating, but honestly there's no reason to be a complete dick over it.  Yeah i have my opinions about these people like anyone else, but a little patience goes a long way.  If you feel the need to publicly shame someone, insult someone, or directly shove you're opinion down their throat, you're an asshole first and foremost.

Is it really that difficult to understand that some kids are just a pain in the ass sometimes?   That not every instance of life can be completely under your control?   I don't think you need to have children to be able to empathize with the struggles it presents.  If the kid is whining, crying, and carrying on for an extended period of time and the parent refuses to do anything, I can see that as a reason to be upset.  But i still don't think its appropriate for you to confront that person with your narrow opinion.  You have no idea what any stranger is currently going through in their life, be it that day, week or year.  Get over yourself.  It really is a very minor inconvenience.


Some people may think that the parents are struggling needlessly. Like, why take 3 young kids on an 8 hour flight at all? Why do you have to bring your 2 YO to a restaurant? Why is mommy all alone in a grocery store with 2 babies and a giant shopping list? Why do 10 mommies with 20 little kids feel obligated to congregate at the Starbucks on 12th and Hudson for four farking hours at a time - a Starbucks that used to be the best chick-watching place in the known universe before the yuppie mommy mafia took it over?
Some people may dig kids, but hate mommies.
Some people.
 
2013-09-17 09:25:58 AM  
As a new parent, I am very aware of my surroundings.  I would never stay in a store if my baby was having a meltdown.  You take her outside and if there's no hope of calming down, you go home.  Sure it's inconvenient, but rolling the dice is part of being a parent.  You take your chances, and many times it's good with a lot of people smiling and saying hi to you and your baby.  But on those bad days you pack it up and go home.  Very very simple.
 
2013-09-17 09:28:02 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Uranus Is Huge!: It's usually hard to fault a parent when you see their child have a public tantrum... the first time.

Repeated public tantrums indicate a child unfamiliar with consequences.

How can you tell the difference?


Um... I go to the same grocery store all the time.
 
2013-09-17 09:28:11 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?

/Stoke, stoke...


Yes.  Imagine if the woman had caved and given her kid what he wanted?  I guess it boils down to do you want one tantrum today, or a tantrum every week for the rest of the kid's childhood?

I guess non-parent people just don't want a tantrum where *they* can hear it and screw everyone else who has to deal with the bad-behavior-reinforcing-action you want the parent to take for your own temporary benefit.
 
2013-09-17 09:28:22 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: You idiots. Regardless of whether you are whiney parents or whiney bystanders, you should grow up yourselves before you comment on how children should be brought up. So stupid.


pot. kettle, black.
 
2013-09-17 09:28:36 AM  

max_pooper: Doc Daneeka: +1000000 points for the blogger.

Every jackass is an expert on parenting before they have any kids of their own. When they do, they discover that parenting is not as simple or as black-and-white as they thought. Moreover, they discover that their priority is always the safety, discipline, and well-being of their child, over the comfort, convenience, and opinions of random passersby.

Except discipline creates comfort and conveniences for a passerby. Lack of discipline fosters opinions in a passerby.


The problem is that non-parents too often equate "discipline" with "quiet and meekly behaved at all times."  It's not so.

Sometimes a parent disciplining a child results in explosive outbursts and tantrums.  Sometimes it's because the child wants something (candy, a toy, or to go somewhere else) and the parent is holding firm in saying no.  It's easy to placate a child and prevent tantrums by giving them what they want all the time, but that is not discipline.

What you perceive as "lack of discipline" may in fact be the parent disciplining their child, asserting their authority and teaching the child that they do not always get everything they want, and that a tantrum is not an effective way of influencing their parents' actions.  Despite what you think, parents are not oblivious to their child throwing a tantrum - they are painfully aware of it and likely embarrassed - but they are dealing with it in the best way they know how and trying to discourage (not reward) that kind of behavior.
 
2013-09-17 09:28:55 AM  

ph0rk: Some parents have very well behaved children that do not annoy other adults when in public. If this does not describe your children and you persist in taking them out in public, you are bad and you should feel bad.


Lol, no. Sometimes children are well behaved in public. But no children are always well behaved in public. You are wrong, and you should feel wrong.
 
2013-09-17 09:29:30 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?

y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.
n: Return to shopping.

Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Sincerely,

One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system


One flaw with your brilliant plan.  If your kid is young enough to throw a tantrum, they are too young to be in a car by themselves.  Most states have a law against it.

Everything that our parents used to do to us in public is now illegal.  It happens, get over it.
 
2013-09-17 09:29:36 AM  

Jim_Callahan: {Let me take my asshattery and ignorance and share it as helpful parenting tip]


Congrats, I thought the dumbest farking thing I could ever read would be in the politics tab ... but I can tell your a special kind of stupid.

// Goddamn that was idiotic and we are all are dumber from having read it.
 
2013-09-17 09:29:48 AM  
Yes, parents are always smart and do the best for their kids.  Those who only have a basic grasp of reality can't hope to compete with that

http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/journals/pedann/%7Bb09dbfc1-b28f-47 01 -b42c-527bb369f62b%7D/a-3-year-old-girl-with-eye-pain   (Warning: graphic example of the kind of expert having a child makes you)
 
2013-09-17 09:29:57 AM  

flucto: jfivealive: Is it really that difficult to understand that some kids are just a pain in the ass sometimes?

Sure, but you'd have to be living on Mars to not know that there is a special kind of parent out there who just doesn't give a crap about how much disruption their kids are causing. Example: kid on airplane recently who went up and down the aisle knocking over people's drinks. Over and over. Did mom give a crap? Hah. Little Timmy is just being creative, why are you trying to stifle him you bad, bad person.


I agree.  And that person's an asshole but I don't believe its the norm, and you must not believe that either judging by your use of adjectives.  So why is the response always that the person you run into is a bad parent?  The behavior could be ranging to speaking loudly in a restaurant all the way up to what you described, yet the reaction is the same.  Those are the people I'm talking about.  Those are the assholes.
 
2013-09-17 09:30:50 AM  
I guess no one should ever make fun of any idiot in the news who does something stupid because Hey! You weren't in that situation. You don't know what it's like!
 
2013-09-17 09:31:38 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: Yes, parents are always smart and do the best for their kids.  Those who only have a basic grasp of reality can't hope to compete with that


The tastiest cherries are the ones you pick yourself, amirite?

/amirite?
 
2013-09-17 09:33:27 AM  

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

So, a guy who says that non-parents are qualified to critique parents, then backs this argument up by saying that he was a de facto parent and then therefore qualified.  So, my label of idiot applies in two ways.  First, you basically misreprented yourself, then tried to claim I was wrong because I was passing judgement based on your original self characterization (as a non-parent).  Second, you undermined your own argument by saying that your right as a non-parent to criticize comes from your experience in a parental role.

So, yeah, idiot applies.

First, thanks for admitting you were originally passing judgment this time instead of claiming it was just some "declarative statement" about no one like you did before. I mean really, anyone could see that.

I don't really think it's a hard concept to grasp that while having no children of my own I have had to play that role. I don't see anywhere where I stated otherwise. Feel free to quote me. My opinions about screaming brats and their shiatty parents have never changed. What you don't get is that I did it with out any prior knowledge, you just go into it blind cause you don't have a choice and what that means is what parents think they know through experience really doesn't count for much. You're mostly programmed for it, so the observations of those without children are perfectly valid.


Oh, it was a declarative statement.  I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience.  So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them?  Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?
 
2013-09-17 09:34:00 AM  

jfivealive: I agree. And that person's an asshole but I don't believe its the norm, and you must not believe that either judging by your use of adjectives. So why is the response always that the person you run into is a bad parent? The behavior could be ranging to speaking loudly in a restaurant all the way up to what you described, yet the reaction is the same. Those are the people I'm talking about. Those are the assholes.


I think you might be missing the flip side of the argument. For the most part, people understand and don't say much. The assholes who show up to lecture people are the minority, just as genuine asshole parents are. It doesn't happen that often but the discussion of it obviously strikes a nerve on both sides.

Unlike dog owners, who all need to be ground into free meatloaf and fed to the poor.
 
2013-09-17 09:34:23 AM  

Loucifer: I hate that children are our future. We need another alternative.


Robots.
 
2013-09-17 09:34:58 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: Yes, parents are always smart and do the best for their kids.  Those who only have a basic grasp of reality can't hope to compete with that

http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/journals/pedann/%7Bb09dbfc1-b28f-47 01 -b42c-527bb369f62b%7D/a-3-year-old-girl-with-eye-pain   (Warning: graphic example of the kind of expert having a child makes you)


Holy shiat! Something bad happened to a kid? Stop the farking presses.

HEY EVERYONE, Freudian Slipknot just found an article in a medical journal about parents being dumbasses. This means that all parents are stupid, FS is an expert on child rearing, and all of your arguments are invalid.

// Oh bless you kind sir! Bless your little heart!
 
2013-09-17 09:35:28 AM  

Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion


Sure, fair enough.  And that opinion should be "Jeez, screeching kids are annoying."  Not "What terrible parents they are" or "I would never let my kid scream on the bus."
 
2013-09-17 09:35:34 AM  

vudukungfu: I dated a lady with 5 kids.
All boys.
All very young.


Were you going to St. Ives?
 
2013-09-17 09:35:42 AM  

jayhawk88: The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.


How much older? I'm 46 and random strangers still feel the need to comment on my breasts.
 
2013-09-17 09:35:57 AM  

chubby muppet: As a new parent, I am very aware of my surroundings.  I would never stay in a store if my baby was having a meltdown.  You take her outside and if there's no hope of calming down, you go home.  Sure it's inconvenient, but rolling the dice is part of being a parent.  You take your chances, and many times it's good with a lot of people smiling and saying hi to you and your baby.  But on those bad days you pack it up and go home.  Very very simple.


It's not that simple. Nothing ever is. If your toddler is having a tantrum because he doesn't want to be there, leaving immediately effectively teaches him a quick way to get out of an undesirable situation. Continuing to shop may make other shoppers uncomfortable, but it teaches the kid that he doesn't get to dictate the agenda. It depends on the individual kid, of course. There's no simple answer that will make everyone happy.
 
2013-09-17 09:36:22 AM  

mightybaldking: Sure, fair enough. And that opinion should be "Jeez, screeching kids are annoying." Not "What terrible parents they are" or "I would never let my kid scream on the bus."


How come nobody mentioned that people who ride buses deserve what they get. Sheesh, get a Prius already.
 
2013-09-17 09:36:29 AM  

chubby muppet: As a new parent, I am very aware of my surroundings.  I would never stay in a store if my baby was having a meltdown.  You take her outside and if there's no hope of calming down, you go home.  Sure it's inconvenient, but rolling the dice is part of being a parent.  You take your chances, and many times it's good with a lot of people smiling and saying hi to you and your baby.  But on those bad days you pack it up and go home.  Very very simple.


Grocery stores are the last place on earth I would expect peace and quiet. Who cares? Your crying baby is drowning out the Billy Joel song on the Muzak machine, so thanks for that. You know what's more annoying in a grocery store? The husband/boyfriend who just stands with the cart in front of the tomatoes, staring at his blackberry, while the wife/girlfriend runs around doing the actual shopping. fark that guy. Useless.
 
2013-09-17 09:37:19 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: That's okay. I'll be over here enjoying lots of disposable income (post-saving and investing, of course) because I am not chained to one or more squalling proto-humans.


tee hee


I see you have your TotalFark membership all up to date....

Wait you don't? Maybe all that money you brag about is imaginary......
 
2013-09-17 09:37:38 AM  

gglibertine: I'm 46 and random strangers still feel the need to comment on my breasts.


*snert*
 
2013-09-17 09:38:04 AM  
I do feel like I should at least point out that the author of this blog is somebody who declined to immunize his children against Hepatitis B because only people who have promiscuous sex get Hepatitis B.

So we're not talking about a rocket surgeon here.
 
2013-09-17 09:38:41 AM  

chubby muppet: As a new parent, I am very aware of my surroundings.  I would never stay in a store if my baby was having a meltdown.  You take her outside and if there's no hope of calming down, you go home.  Sure it's inconvenient, but rolling the dice is part of being a parent.  You take your chances, and many times it's good with a lot of people smiling and saying hi to you and your baby.  But on those bad days you pack it up and go home.  Very very simple.


I have two small kids and a full time job. I have a two-hour window every day where I can get some shopping done. sually when I spend that two-hour window shopping rather than teaching my three-year old to read, playing with the kids or just going for a stroll it means that I need something from the store in order to have something to eat. Just going home is not really an option. Woe be unto me if the kids need new clothes, shoes, or if I just want to get something for myself, that's filling up my day. I simply don't have enough spare time while the kids are awake  to abandon planned shopping trips because of a small tantrum. The tantrum will fade within a few minutes usually, and most people understand what is happening and are fine with it.
My inconvenience at having to go home because of the tantrum is surely as bad as the inconvenience the 10% of the passersbys who care suffer from having to listen to a kid scream about dinosaur cupcakes for two minutes.

And my youngest is too young for the three year old elder brother to care for at home alone. And I can't really go anywhere while they're asleep. And I don't have a babysitter, and have never had one (for three years). No relatives live nearby and my friends are not really child-rearing people. They could probably have fun with the kids and give them food, but can't change diapers. And also they probably don't want to be babysitters since they have full-time jobs and stuff to do. So if the kids are home, so am I.

Conclusion: I'm sorry if people think my kids are being loud (they usually aren't, at least not for long) but it will last until it stops.
 
2013-09-17 09:39:25 AM  

flucto: I think you might be missing the flip side of the argument. For the most part, people understand and don't say much. The assholes who show up to lecture people are the minority, just as genuine asshole parents are. It doesn't happen that often but the discussion of it obviously strikes a nerve on both sides.

Unlike dog owners, who all need to be ground into free meatloaf and fed to the poor.


You need some more meat to grind in there to make good meatloaf.  I think a touch of ground cyclists will do also.
 
2013-09-17 09:40:39 AM  

jfivealive: I think a touch of ground cyclists will do also.


Too much asshole spoils the loaf.
 
2013-09-17 09:40:52 AM  
As a parent of 3 who has dealt with a few tantrums in my day, this commercial still cracks me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM8ym0FqM_k

// Sorry if someone already posted it
// Youngest is now 8 and I do not miss the days of diapers, loss of sleep and the occassional tantrum
// For you non-parents or new parents you think that people say "It goes by so fast" are full of crap. They aren't and it DOES.
 
2013-09-17 09:41:26 AM  

Trail of Dead: chubby muppet: As a new parent, I am very aware of my surroundings.  I would never stay in a store if my baby was having a meltdown.  You take her outside and if there's no hope of calming down, you go home.  Sure it's inconvenient, but rolling the dice is part of being a parent.  You take your chances, and many times it's good with a lot of people smiling and saying hi to you and your baby.  But on those bad days you pack it up and go home.  Very very simple.

Grocery stores are the last place on earth I would expect peace and quiet. Who cares? Your crying baby is drowning out the Billy Joel song on the Muzak machine, so thanks for that. You know what's more annoying in a grocery store? The husband/boyfriend who just stands with the cart in front of the tomatoes, staring at his blackberry, while the wife/girlfriend runs around doing the actual shopping. fark that guy. Useless.


I can understand being upset if someone doesn't take their screaming kid out of a movie or nice restaurant, because patrons paid to be there. They have a right to expect a certain atmosphere. Nobody has a right to expect serenity in a grocery store. If they do, their sense of entitlement is as overdeveloped as the snowflakes they most likely complain about constantly.
 
2013-09-17 09:43:11 AM  

edmo: But the minute that kid pops out of your insides, you're a freaking expert.


No, you've got that entirely wrong.   You know everything about being the perfect parent UNTIL the kid pops out.  Then you realize you're just winging it.

And smug assholes who haven't had a kid, and still know everything, are happy to correct you every step of the way.
 
2013-09-17 09:43:53 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I do feel like I should at least point out that the author of this blog is somebody who declined to immunize his children against Hepatitis B because only people who have promiscuous sex get Hepatitis B.

So we're not talking about a rocket surgeon here.


That is ignorant; VACCINATE your FARKING KIDS, DOLT! It does not however make him any less correct on the article in question.
 
2013-09-17 09:43:56 AM  

someonelse: Nobody has a right to expect serenity in a grocery store. If they do, their sense of entitlement is as overdeveloped as the snowflakes they most likely complain about constantly.


Well said.
 
2013-09-17 09:44:43 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I do feel like I should at least point out that the author of this blog is somebody who declined to immunize his children against Hepatitis B because only people who have promiscuous sex get Hepatitis B.

So we're not talking about a rocket surgeon here.


Yeah, and I've cringed at his dribblings in the past, but that doesn't make him wrong on this one. He might be an ignorant jerk but even ignorant jerks can be right on some things.
 
2013-09-17 09:45:23 AM  

Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.


Seriously, WTF.

I actually did one time grab the wrist of an elderly woman who reached for him and told her where to put that hand. Thinking about it later, I realized that I did it forcibly enough that I could have hurt her but I also realized I didn't care.

I honestly never realized how protective I'd be as a parent and I've come to find out I'm middle-of-the-road in that respect.
 
2013-09-17 09:47:47 AM  

robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.


Replace parents with liberals. How you like that now?

As a parent now, this article was right on the money. I don't care how awesome someone thinks they are, or their kids are, this crap happens.
 
2013-09-17 09:48:34 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Oh, it was a declarative statement. I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience. So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them? Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?


Come on, it's not like you replied to me to imply that I was wise. I just responded to what you were trying to actually say. Yes, to the second paragraph. I did say "mostly programmed" for a reason. But what you learn isn't about raising the child but more of how to handle yourself. There's a lot of patience and controlling yourself involved. How children behave is mostly a result of how they treat them. If a parent is indignant and uncaring, would you expect something else from the kid.
 
2013-09-17 09:48:55 AM  

forever_blowing_bubbles: Holy shiat! Something bad happened to a kid? Stop the farking presses.

HEY EVERYONE, Freudian Slipknot just found an article in a medical journal about parents being dumbasses. This means that all parents are stupid, FS is an expert on child rearing, and all of your arguments are invalid.

// Oh bless you kind sir! Bless your little heart!


I've been assured that these folks know more about child rearing than anyone who has not themselves had a child and are therefore beyond reproach.

/didn't start this argument
//just pointing out the HUGE flaw in the logic
///bad parents are easy to recognize, even to the childless
 
2013-09-17 09:49:12 AM  

Mugato: jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.


Not that often, but it does happen sometimes. It's a mother thing for the most part I think, it looks "cute" and is "adorable". When I dressed them I didn't even bother to put them in matching clothes, which is pretty much the worst thing you could ever do.

Once they got old enough to have input into what they wore, they would want to dress alike themselves, but again, not that often.
 
2013-09-17 09:51:17 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I do feel like I should at least point out that the author of this blog is somebody who declined to immunize his children against Hepatitis B because only people who have promiscuous sex get Hepatitis B.

So we're not talking about a rocket surgeon here.


Even blind chickens find corn now and again.

Ye, I've also read some of his earlier blog posts. It's a hard thing to do to have to agree with him on something and praise his writing; but here I am. Doing hard things.

*snicker*
 
2013-09-17 09:52:16 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I think the good parents hate the "Don't you dare give me a dirty look because I'm letting my five-year-old and my three-year-old chug Mountain Dew and play 'Scream Tag' in the aisles at this 10PM showing of 'I Spit On Your Grave'"-type parents more than the non-parents hate them.


Yes, I get pissed off at parents who are shiatty, not their kids. Yesterday I encountered a woman telling her kid, who couldn't have been more than three, to "shut up" in a really mean way. And the kid wasn't even being bad! He was whining a bit because he wanted a little attention from his mom. You can discipline your kids, be firm, be stern if that's the right approach, but to just be rude and nasty to a very young child like that earns you the shiatty parent award. Other ways to earn the award include refusing to discipline and being inconsiderate of other people who have to be exposed to your child's behavior.

My mother works at a public library and there are a lot of parents who treat the place like a daycare, letting their kids run wild and unsupervised, making a mess and destroying books, while the parent plops their lazy ass at a computer and does Facebook for a couple of hours. Yes, I try my very best to teach my kids not to be brats and be responsible for their actions, and I get very mad at these parents. Not the kids, the awful parents.

That being said, I am not going to get all bent out of shape when a kid acts up and a parent is having a hard time but doing the best they can. Sometimes it's easy to get overwhelmed. Not every kid is going to respond perfectly to your parenting technique and they can be a challenge. One of my kids is much more compliant and the other one is very strong willed. I have to discipline them differently. But whatever type of kid you have, I think instilling a sense of respect and consideration for others goes a long way toward curtailing bad behavior.

As for people who apparently hate all children no matter what, I feel sorry for them, I guess. They seem very sour, like those grumpy old people who chase you off their lawn.
 
2013-09-17 09:52:32 AM  

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Oh, it was a declarative statement. I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience. So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them? Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?

Come on, it's not like you replied to me to imply that I was wise. I just responded to what you were trying to actually say. Yes, to the second paragraph. I did say "mostly programmed" for a reason. But what you learn isn't about raising the child but more of how to handle yourself. There's a lot of patience and controlling yourself involved. How children behave is mostly a result of how they treat them. If a parent is indignant and uncaring, would you expect something else from the kid.


Got it.  So, in your experience as a parent, learning how to manage your emotions to communicate and emote effectively is a learned behavior.  In what way is this not 'parenting'?
 
2013-09-17 09:56:28 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: I've been assured that these folks know more about child rearing than anyone who has not themselves had a child and are therefore beyond reproach.


Tasty cherries on a nice bed of clean straw, no less.
 
2013-09-17 09:56:30 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: forever_blowing_bubbles: Holy shiat! Something bad happened to a kid? Stop the farking presses.

HEY EVERYONE, Freudian Slipknot just found an article in a medical journal about parents being dumbasses. This means that all parents are stupid, FS is an expert on child rearing, and all of your arguments are invalid.

// Oh bless you kind sir! Bless your little heart!

I've been assured that these folks know more about child rearing than anyone who has not themselves had a child and are therefore beyond reproach.

/didn't start this argument
//just pointing out the HUGE flaw in the logic
///bad parents are easy to recognize, even to the childless


I am not making the case that there are not "bad parents" in this world ... However I am AMAZED you can tell a bad parent just by looking at them. You should take that shiat on the road and make millions. Can you do the same with jury duty as well? "Your honor, I ask you, if the defendant isn't guilty why is he so black?"

// I can see the HUGE flaw in your "logic" as well ...
 
2013-09-17 09:58:54 AM  

Chinchillazilla: marsoft: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?

Personally, I wouldn't, necessarily. I know a woman who runs a "bird rehab". Her birds are obviously atrociously cared-for. I've never had a kestrel, but I know how to tell one is not well taken care of.

So, keeping the metaphor going, some zookeepers don't know what they're doing. Some zookeepers get eaten by lions, and then even people who have never had a pet can rightly say "Wow, that guy was a bad zookeeper."


I had visions of bad parents being eaten by their toddlers.  Brilliant!
 
2013-09-17 09:59:32 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Oh, it was a declarative statement. I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience. So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them? Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?

Come on, it's not like you replied to me to imply that I was wise. I just responded to what you were trying to actually say. Yes, to the second paragraph. I did say "mostly programmed" for a reason. But what you learn isn't about raising the child but more of how to handle yourself. There's a lot of patience and controlling yourself involved. How children behave is mostly a result of how they treat them. If a parent is indignant and uncaring, would you expect something else from the kid.

Got it.  So, in your experience as a parent, learning how to manage your emotions to communicate and emote effectively is a learned behavior.  In what way is this not 'parenting'?


Cause it's already part of your personality or it isn't, it's not learned. That's why some people are bad parents. They aren't bad parents, they're bad people.
 
2013-09-17 09:59:35 AM  

abhorrent1: How about you parents quit expecting everyone to change the way they live to accommodate your little farking brat?

Oh. You don't like what's on TV because your snowflake may see it? Here's a news flash: You TV has a power button!


You are also free to live somewhere that is child free. Lots of open space in China. Since having children is kind of part of human biology......

What is sounds like you are REALLY saying is that the human race should change because you don't feel you should ever be inconvenienced or annoyed.

/the TV does have a power button
//the worst thing it does is turn it ON
 
2013-09-17 10:01:03 AM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 10:01:04 AM  

forever_blowing_bubbles: As a parent of 3 who has dealt with a few tantrums in my day, this commercial still cracks me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM8ym0FqM_k

// Sorry if someone already posted it
// Youngest is now 8 and I do not miss the days of diapers, loss of sleep and the occassional tantrum
// For you non-parents or new parents you think that people say "It goes by so fast" are full of crap. They aren't and it DOES.


I've never seen that.  Funny!  Thanks.

/this is not snark.  (I added this because it reads like snark, but it's not)
 
2013-09-17 10:01:56 AM  

forever_blowing_bubbles: However I am AMAZED you can tell a bad parent just by looking at them


You generally can actually tell just by looking at their kids, not at the parents.
 
2013-09-17 10:03:38 AM  

marsoft: Chinchillazilla: marsoft: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?

Personally, I wouldn't, necessarily. I know a woman who runs a "bird rehab". Her birds are obviously atrociously cared-for. I've never had a kestrel, but I know how to tell one is not well taken care of.

So, keeping the metaphor going, some zookeepers don't know what they're doing. Some zookeepers get eaten by lions, and then even people who have never had a pet can rightly say "Wow, that guy was a bad zookeeper."

I had visions of bad parents being eaten by their toddlers.  Brilliant!


Heh. Metaphor may have gotten a little wonky; but that would solve a lot of problems, wouldn't it?
 
2013-09-17 10:04:07 AM  

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Oh, it was a declarative statement. I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience. So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them? Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?

Come on, it's not like you replied to me to imply that I was wise. I just responded to what you were trying to actually say. Yes, to the second paragraph. I did say "mostly programmed" for a reason. But what you learn isn't about raising the child but more of how to handle yourself. There's a lot of patience and controlling yourself involved. How children behave is mostly a result of how they treat them. If a parent is indignant and uncaring, would you expect something else from the kid.

Got it.  So, in your experience as a parent, learning how to manage your emotions to communicate and emote effectively is a learned behavior.  In what way is this not 'parenting'?

Cause it's already part of your personality or it isn't, it's not learned. That's why some people are bad parents. They aren't bad parents, they're bad people.


So, now you are saying that people are inherently good or bad parents, after you stated that learning how to control your own behavior and have patience was critical to getting the children to respond positively.  So very confusing.   Let me see if I got this, you are either a good parent or bad parent based on programming, and you can change that programming by learning your to control your behavior, but you can't because it is part of your behavior and can't be learned.  Have I got that right?
 
2013-09-17 10:04:19 AM  
Disregard semicolon. I was trying to hit the comma button, not be falsely pretentious.
 
2013-09-17 10:05:07 AM  

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Oh, it was a declarative statement. I set forth two objective conditions, and allowed you to pick which one applied.I just chose not to go down the rabbit hole of trying to argue semantics with you when there were more amusing lines of argument.

So, let me see if I can get this straight-your original statement was that you don't need to be a parent to see bad parenting, when challenged you acknowledged that you essentially were a parent, then basically back up your argument by saying that when you were a parent, you didn't really now how to do it, but were able to do it based on programming.

So, your current contention is that parenting is innate and instinctive, and that you do not ever learn anything about parenting based on experience. So, let me ask you, in your time as a parent, did you learn anything about how to deal with the kids, did you alter the way you interacted with them? Did you learn what worked and what didn't based on trial and error, or did you, from day one, automatically know how to handle them?

Come on, it's not like you replied to me to imply that I was wise. I just responded to what you were trying to actually say. Yes, to the second paragraph. I did say "mostly programmed" for a reason. But what you learn isn't about raising the child but more of how to handle yourself. There's a lot of patience and controlling yourself involved. How children behave is mostly a result of how they tr