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2013-09-17 12:50:25 PM

dabbletech: smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


Did you ever misbehave when you were a child?(Quick hint:  Yes)  We tolerated you when you acted like a moron, now you can do the same.

let him who is without sin, cast the first stone


not in public, not once.  neither did any of my 5 brothers and sisters.

you want me to keep my secondhand smoke to myself?  you keep your secondhand sperm to yourself.
 
2013-09-17 12:51:14 PM

New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking


FINALLY, some rational thinking in this thread.

CSB: Ye Olde Airplane situation
So I'm on a flight (fairly short connecting one) and I have the 7 year old behind me.  Not A 7-year-old, THE 7-year-old.  The one that had his DVD player run out of batteries before we left the tarmac and started kicking the back of my seat nonstop.  Non. Stop.

So I ask the kid to stop (mostly out of politeness), then ask mom to have him stop.  "Oh, if his DVD is out of batteries there's no controlling him.  Be glad it's the only thing he's doing".  So, I ignore it for the first 30 minutes or so.  Mom has started reading and stopped talking at all.

     kid: Mom, this is BORING.  I don't have anything to do.  Mom.  MOM!
     me: hey kid, you wanna see if your double jointed?
     kid: SURE!
[snip - I had him check for hitch hikers thumb and bend his arm in impossible ways]
     me: Your'e not that flexible, I bet you cant even touch your knees to your chin.
     kid: I can so! [curls into fetal position]

I then reclined the seat and trapped him in that position.  I then put my ipod on with the volume up.  Mom tried to get the flight attendant to let me go, but she insisted that I was free to recline if I wanted to.  I only got to screw that kid over for about 15 minutes, but MAN it was worth all the biatching and moaning till the end of the flight just to punish him.
 
2013-09-17 12:53:37 PM

nipner: max_pooper: Hey oblivious parents, if you don't want people telling you to shut your bratty kids up don't be shiatty parents. Or don't take your bratty kids out to restaurants but that also falls under the category of not being shiatty parents.

I guess don't be shiatty parents is the central theme to my rant.

Yes, this too!   It really cracks me up when I'm out drinking,  partying, and being raunchy in Vegas at 2am... but I get dirty looks from the parents rolling their tired/hungry/cranky children around in the middle of the night.   I chose not to have kids, so I can choose when/where/what I want to do in the middle of the night.
You chose to create a f*ck trophy; so take care of it!  That means reasonable bed times, more sober living; and going to Disney instead of Vegas.

//Seriously?  How bad of a parent are you to choose Vegas over Disney?


You just gave me a THIS boner!  I was in Vegas for work last year.  On one of my evening drunken strolls down the strip (around 11pm-ish) I passed a family.  The mom was pushing a stroller (a 1 child stroller) that had a sleeping one year old in it AND a screaming two year old flopping around on top of the one year old.  The mom of course looked miserable, but I thought to myself "who the fark has toddlers out at 11pm...in Vegas...ON THE STRIP!".  Just as I was making a mental note to call my wife the next morning(who was home with our twin girls) I saw another couple with their (probably 10-12 year old son) and the kid was complaining about not feeling well.  Then right in front of me the kid pukes all over the sidewalk (had I been a little more sober, I would've puked on him as I am a sympathetic vomiter...in fact, I just heaved a little just thinking about it).  I walked down the street to my favorite hole in the wall bar, and got heatered thinking "I can't believe parents like this exist".
 
2013-09-17 12:56:03 PM

doubled99: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.

If the child is throwing a tantrum in a public place because they don't want to be there, then dropping everything and leaving accomplishes the following:

1) First, and foremost, it teaches the child that throwing a tantrum WORKED, that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want,
2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,
3) In light of that, it rewards the tantrum and makes them more likely to occur in the future.

Are you really this stupid?

This is bad parenting.  It may be more comforting to random passersby, but it teaches the wrong lesson to the kid.  The lesson they need to learn is that the parents control the agenda, and can't be compelled to stop everything and leave simply because the child doesn't want to be there.  They need to learn that the tantrum is ineffective.


If a child is throwing a tantrum because they don't want to be at the store, and the parent responds by immediately removing the child from the store to protect the delicate eardrums and sensibilities of passing shoppers, what lesson do you think the child is going to take away from that? What message do they receive?

A.) The tantrum worked, and they've discovered an easy and effective way of controlling their parent's behavior when out in public.

The reason the parent doesn't react the way you would like them to is that they are capable of considering the child's perspective. While the non-parent critic is generally incapable of considering the child's perspective (or the parent's, or for that matter, anyone's except their own).
 
2013-09-17 12:56:20 PM

mike_d85: New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking

FINALLY, some rational thinking in this thread.

CSB: Ye Olde Airplane situation
So I'm on a flight (fairly short connecting one) and I have the 7 year old behind me.  Not A 7-year-old, THE 7-year-old.  The one that had his DVD player run out of batteries before we left the tarmac and started kicking the back of my seat nonstop.  Non. Stop.

So I ask the kid to stop (mostly out of politeness), then ask mom to have him stop.  "Oh, if his DVD is out of batteries there's no controlling him.  Be glad it's the only thing he's doing".  So, I ignore it for the first 30 minutes or so.  Mom has started reading and stopped talking at all.

     kid: Mom, this is BORING.  I don't have anything to do.  Mom.  MOM!
     me: hey kid, you wanna see if your double jointed?
     kid: SURE!
[snip - I had him check for hitch hikers thumb and bend his arm in impossible ways]
     me: Your'e not that flexible, I bet you cant even touch your knees to your chin.
     kid: I can so! [curls into fetal position]

I then reclined the seat and trapped him in that position.  I then put my ipod on with the volume up.  Mom tried to get the flight attendant to let me go, but she insisted that I was free to recline if I wanted to.  I only got to screw that kid over for about 15 minutes, but MAN it was worth all the biatching and moaning till the end of the flight just to punish him.


You sound like a blast at parties
 
2013-09-17 12:58:06 PM
MycroftHolmes:And I made no statement about you.  Just made a declarative statement that I will stand by.  Sensitive much?

Albinoman: No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.


I can't speak for  MycroftHolmes but I frequently quote other people when I post without what I say after I quote them being directed at them specifically.  In other words, often when I quote someone else it is not to REPLY to them but merely to indicate where in the thread I was when I decided to post and what prompted me to say what I'm saying.

The problem is compounded by the unfortunate fact that the word "you" is used in English for three completely different pronouns: the 2nd-person singular, the 2nd-person plural, and the impersonal.  So many times where a person says "you" they mean "someone" rather than "you" specifically.
 
2013-09-17 12:59:29 PM
What Bullshiat.

The kid would not be having a tantrum if she raised her kids right knowing that only "the look" should shut them up.
Instead this kids carries one because he knows he is going to get away with it.

Damn pure and simple.

I was a kid once. You were too, remember? You always push the line to see how far you can go.
Mine was a short line compared to the pansy society of today.
 
2013-09-17 01:00:40 PM
tl;dr

Your blog sucks.
 
2013-09-17 01:03:29 PM

Doc Daneeka: 2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,


Are you implying that the kid is deliberately throwing a premeditated tantrum in order to consciously manipulate the parents?

I hope you're not one of those "break the child's will" types. :/
 
2013-09-17 01:03:37 PM

Doc Daneeka: The My Little Pony Killer: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.

If the child is throwing a tantrum in a public place because they don't want to be there, then dropping everything and leaving accomplishes the following:

1) First, and foremost, it teaches the child that throwing a tantrum WORKED, that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want,
2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,
3) In light of that, it rewards the tantrum and makes them more likely to occur in the future.

This is bad parenting.  It may be more comforting to random passersby, but it teaches the wrong lesson to the kid.  The lesson they need to learn is that the parents control the agenda, and can't be compelled to stop everything and leave simply because the child doesn't want to be there.  They need to learn that the tantrum is ineffective.


Nope. Nope. Nope. It only works that way for lame parents.

A REAL parent takes the kid outside and says "Go ahead. Have your tantrum. I'll wait. But when you're done we are going back inside."  Eventually he will run out of steam. Tantrums are hard work. And it teaches them that it won't get them home any faster.

Standing in the parking lot  has the side benefit of feeling like punishment. Call their bluff.
 
2013-09-17 01:04:36 PM
Years ago, my buddy and I went to a Stars Wars convention in Indianapolis. Long story short, he and his gf had broken up so I took her ticket, etc. One his ex's friends was going with her kids as well and we ended up on the same connecting flight from Vegas to Indy.

I can't remember how old the boys were at the time (probably 6ish and 3 or 4). They were freakishly well behaved. I ended sitting next to the older boy and he did the typical flight stuff (played with his tray, etc) but was very good otherwise especially considering that he was next to a stranger. That of course didn't stop the old man in front of us from being a grumpy ass because the kid put his tray up and down a few times.

I don't know why the old guy did that, but even back then ('02 and 6 years before I had a kid) I realized that the old guy was out of line and probably needed an attitude adjustment.
 
2013-09-17 01:08:55 PM

Kittypie070: Are you implying that the kid is deliberately throwing a premeditated tantrum in order to consciously manipulate the parents?


Kids learn quickly that throwing a fit gets a reaction form their parents.  If that reaction is giving the kid what they want, they will absolutely employ that tactic over and over.  This cannot be news.
 
2013-09-17 01:12:29 PM

Kittypie070: Doc Daneeka: 2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,

Are you implying that the kid is deliberately throwing a premeditated tantrum in order to consciously manipulate the parents?

I hope you're not one of those "break the child's will" types. :/


Are you implying that kids DON'T try to manipulate people into get their own way?
 
2013-09-17 01:15:13 PM

Kittypie070: Doc Daneeka: 2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,

Are you implying that the kid is deliberately throwing a premeditated tantrum in order to consciously manipulate the parents?

I hope you're not one of those "break the child's will" types. :/


No, not at all. I'm not saying it's premeditated at all.

I'm saying, what lesson do they take away after the fact, hen they see what kind of outcome and reaction they get from their parents?
 
2013-09-17 01:19:25 PM

Stoker: What Bullshiat.

The kid would not be having a tantrum if she raised her kids right knowing that only "the look" should shut them up.
Instead this kids carries one because he knows he is going to get away with it.

Damn pure and simple.

I was a kid once. You were too, remember? You always push the line to see how far you can go.
Mine was a short line compared to the pansy society of today.


Yep, and look how you turned out.

If you think a 3-year-old kid understands, "the look," you're in for a rude awakening if you ever end up having one.

I love the backseat parenting that basically amounts to Maddox's "beat your kids every day" joke.
 
2013-09-17 01:21:09 PM
Written like a true parent - with the assumption that the world is built for them and it is everyone's responsibility to help raise their kid ...in addition to paying for it.
 
2013-09-17 01:25:54 PM

bborchar: Kittypie070: Doc Daneeka: 2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,

Are you implying that the kid is deliberately throwing a premeditated tantrum in order to consciously manipulate the parents?

I hope you're not one of those "break the child's will" types. :/

Are you implying that kids DON'T try to manipulate people into get their own way?


My 3 year old is the king of manipulation. And he knows exactly whose buttons he can push.

Judging tantrums all depends on the kid. My 5 year old has had one serious public meltdown. With him, I would probably remove him from a situation because a meltdown is more of a tired thing than a manipulation. His brother (the 3 year old) will throw a fit from time to time to try and get his way, so he needs to be treated a bit different in those situations.
 
2013-09-17 01:26:31 PM

Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.



There are cultures where touching a child's head is very rude (typically Buddhist-influenced cultures).

There are also cultures where instead of being a bunch of self-centered a-holes, people help out parents instead of berating them constantly. In those cultures, children are seen as valuable assets to the community.

You don't want to deal with a kid having a meltdown? Try doing something to make a kid smile next time you are around one. If more people engaged children -- even just with a smile or wave -- there would be fewer children crying because they are bored or they want the slickly marketed food/toy they saw.
 
2013-09-17 01:35:43 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I don't have play football to know a good football player from a bad football player.

I don't have to play an instrument to know a good musician from a bad musician.

I don't have to be a parent to know a good parent from a bad parent, or good parenting from bad parenting.


Really?

There are several thousand douchenozzles out there that thought\still think that Tim Tebow is the second-coming of Johnny Jesus Unitas despite VOLUMES of film and others who say differently.

Also, I don't know SHIAT about music so I couldn't tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one. I am also tone deaf. So I could listen to a band and not know that some singer is off-pitch (unless badly) for an hour before I caught on.

However, YOU can tell the difference between good parents and bad parents in an isolated incident, in public, in mere seconds or minutes? Who are you the Amazing Kreskin?

// BULLSHIAT!
 
2013-09-17 01:37:59 PM

Digital Communist: Written like a true parent - with the assumption that the world is built for them and it is everyone's responsibility to help raise their kid ...in addition to paying for it.



Yup, If you don't like it, move.
 
2013-09-17 01:39:08 PM

Bendal: I actually saw a woman meltdown over kids acting up a few months ago. We were at a family restaurant eating lunch, and about 4 couples were eating at one table, while all their children were seated at another table. The kids were probably age 3 to 8, and they were acting like kids that age do; being noisy, getting up and talking to each other, and generally creating a lot of racket. The parents were engrossed in their own conversations, and only rarely did any of them say anything to the kids to calm down. A middle aged woman, sitting alone at a table near the kids, finally couldn't stand it any more, stood up and yelled "will all you kids sit down and behave!".

The restaurant fell dead silent for a moment, including the kids. The parents began actually trying to keep the kids quieter, and the restaurant staff offered to move the woman further away from the kid table. Our server just said "thank god I'm not taking care of those tables myself" the next time she came by.


Shiatty parenting. I see this a lot. Groups of adults get together, bring their kids, then socialize with the other adults while leaving the kids to get up to all sorts of hijinks. My BIL & SIL were the worst for this until I called them on it and they fell out with me (and, by default, my wife for a while). They never did get over it but I did notice each subsequent time I was in their company, they were more attentive and one of them was with their kids. They had a son somewhere on the autistic spectrum but they chose to ignore this fact and the little a-hole would act atrociously, quite often to my kids, his cousins.

I have 4 little-ish kids. We quit going to restaurants for a while when they just wouldn't behave. I didn't want to inflict that on anyone and I also didn't want to be part of it, either.  We do go out now, on occasion, but anything over a 15 minute wait for food and my kids start getting restless.  So it's  Skyline or Frischs usually.

Flights can be tough and, as a parent, you don't look forward to a 7 hour redeye to Paris with 4 little kids. You've paid $7500 for a half day of misery. As a young, single man I used to get pissed off with kids when I'd fly. As a father of 4, I tolerate crying on a flight a lot more than I used to. It's unpleasant but it's only a few hours.
 
2013-09-17 01:42:51 PM

GORDON: It isn't about your right to have an express an opinion, it has to do with class.  Children are a basic, fundamental, and generally harmless fact of life.  They always will be.  The only attitudes you change by sharing your anti-child views are in how the rest of the world perceives you, not children.

So keep it up.  The "no kids in restaurants!" crowd is a good, simple way to determine if someone is a classless douche, or not.


Once, a long time ago in a far away place, classy people didn't bring their children to adult restaurants.  They also don't use words like douche on a regular basis.

From this, we can know two things.  1) You aren't classy.  2) You aren't qualified to tell anyone else what classy is.
 
2013-09-17 01:43:14 PM
ghettodwarf:

You just gave me a THIS boner!  I was in Vegas for work last year.  On one of my evening drunken strolls down the strip (around 11pm-ish) I passed a family.  The mom was pushing a stroller (a 1 child stroller) that had a sleeping one year old in it AND a screaming two year old flopping around on top of the one year old.  The mom of course looked miserable, but I thought to myself "who the fark has toddlers out at 11pm...in Vegas...ON THE STRIP!".  Just as I was making a mental note to call my wife the next morning(who was home with our twin girls) I saw another couple with their (probably 10-12 year old son) and the kid was complaining about not feeling well.  Then right in front of me the kid pukes all over the sidewalk (had I been a little more sober, I would've puked on him as I am a sympathetic vomiter...in fact, I just heaved a little just thinking about it).  I walked down the street to my favorite hole in the wall bar, and got heatered thinking "I can't believe parents like this exist".


I'm not disagreeing with most of what you are saying, but I do want to bring up one thing.

I have, on occassion, taken my daughter out to the store at 11pm, or later, to get some things that she wants. People give me nasty looks because I have this toddler out so late.

What they don't know is that my daugther spends a good deal of time in Japan, visiting her grandmother. She's been there five times, each time for over a month, and she's just turned three.

When she gets back to the US, she's got a 16-hour time difference to deal with, so she's up a good part of the night until she can get back into a normal sleep pattern.

The fact that nobody has this background information, so make assumptions about my parenting skills, has helped me to put myself in other peoples' positions and consider that I might not have all of the details before I start passing judgement.
 
2013-09-17 01:45:16 PM
The last time I was in the grocery store and a kid was freaking right the hell out, I said this to the mom: "Jeez, I've got a five-year-old, and he can be a nightmare. It gets better." Then I told the kid that I was indeed the bad man that would take him away from his mommy because I could hear him. Be quiet and maybe I won't follow you home and take away your blankets and food. I am a bad person sometimes.
 
2013-09-17 01:45:51 PM

Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.


THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.


PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.


PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.
 
2013-09-17 01:49:06 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.

PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.

PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.


Oh yes, I forgot, the plural of anecdote is data!

// Thank you for telling us how to raise children, I am now a far better parent for having read this!
// </sarcasm>
 
2013-09-17 01:49:34 PM

Kahabut: GORDON: It isn't about your right to have an express an opinion, it has to do with class.  Children are a basic, fundamental, and generally harmless fact of life.  They always will be.  The only attitudes you change by sharing your anti-child views are in how the rest of the world perceives you, not children.

So keep it up.  The "no kids in restaurants!" crowd is a good, simple way to determine if someone is a classless douche, or not.

Once, a long time ago in a far away place, classy people didn't bring their children to adult restaurants.  They also don't use words like douche on a regular basis.

From this, we can know two things.  1) You aren't classy.  2) You aren't qualified to tell anyone else what classy is.


3) Anyone using the word "classy" thinks that leopard-print leggings are just fine while smoking Pall Malls. "Hey there baby! I'm a real classy dame! Ya wanna come sniff my website? I got a LOT of Mickeys wide mouths and Some classic Foreigner vinyl that ain't gonna play itself! Classy as hell - real high-ender here!"
 
2013-09-17 01:49:56 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: I do feel like I should at least point out that the author of this blog is somebody who declined to immunize his children against Hepatitis B because only people who have promiscuous sex get Hepatitis B.

So we're not talking about a rocket surgeon here.


i302.photobucket.com

/You're not dealing with morons here.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:00 PM

lostcat: Stoker: What Bullshiat.

The kid would not be having a tantrum if she raised her kids right knowing that only "the look" should shut them up.
Instead this kids carries one because he knows he is going to get away with it.

Damn pure and simple.

I was a kid once. You were too, remember? You always push the line to see how far you can go.
Mine was a short line compared to the pansy society of today.

Yep, and look how you turned out.

If you think a 3-year-old kid understands, "the look," you're in for a rude awakening if you ever end up having one.

I love the backseat parenting that basically amounts to Maddox's "beat your kids every day" joke.


Well if that look is a clear indication that a spanking is imminent, it can work wonders.

But you're probably too naive to comprehend that.
 
2013-09-17 01:52:43 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: Agent Smiths Laugh: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.

PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.

PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.

Oh yes, I forgot, the plural of anecdote is data!

// Thank you for telling us ...


Not my fault if you ignore the obvious. Not my problem either. I'm not responsible for your ignorance of the human animal.
 
2013-09-17 01:53:36 PM
Okay, oh childless peoplewith all of your disposable income, let us mere peasant parents know exactly which places we are allowed to bring our children so as not to intrude upon your precious world of peace and quiet.  Because so far, I've noticed that I'm not allowed to take my children:

1. On any form of public transportation you might be riding
2. In any restaurant you eat at
3. To sporting events of any kind
4. Down a sidewalk where you might be walking
5. To any entertainment venue which you might be at
6. To any store in which you might be shopping

Now, tell me...who's the special snowflake?
 
2013-09-17 01:55:49 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.

PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.

PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.


Did you ever think that maybe you were weird or had a pituitary foul-up or something, and your parents were just a couple of hayseeds that smacked the shiat out of you because that's all they could think to do? "I am going to kick my kids ass, because I'm a grown-up now! My world!! You just live in it!" So when your children stick you in a shiat-smeared nursing home to get back at you, you could just say "Hell, it's their world now - they done went and beat me!" Idiot.
 
2013-09-17 01:56:12 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: forever_blowing_bubbles: Agent Smiths Laugh: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.

PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.

PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.

Oh yes, I forgot, the plural of anecdote is data!

// ...


Okay, now what is the punishment that every parent should use on every child that works every time no matter what age or temperament or gender they are?
 
2013-09-17 01:56:37 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Not my fault if you ignore the obvious. Not my problem either. I'm not responsible for your ignorance of the human animal

.

You know how I know you a) don't have children, and b) are full of shiat? Go on guess!
 
2013-09-17 01:59:26 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: lostcat: Stoker: What Bullshiat.

The kid would not be having a tantrum if she raised her kids right knowing that only "the look" should shut them up.
Instead this kids carries one because he knows he is going to get away with it.

Damn pure and simple.

I was a kid once. You were too, remember? You always push the line to see how far you can go.
Mine was a short line compared to the pansy society of today.

Yep, and look how you turned out.

If you think a 3-year-old kid understands, "the look," you're in for a rude awakening if you ever end up having one.

I love the backseat parenting that basically amounts to Maddox's "beat your kids every day" joke.

Well if that look is a clear indication that a spanking is imminent, it can work wonders.

But you're probably too naive to comprehend that.



I got the look from my father all time. If I addidentally dropped my fork at a restaurant, I got the flaired nostrils and menacing brows. When we got home, he would send me up to his closet to get "the belt" and then wait for him in my room.

"The belt" had Buffalo-head nickels riveted in it at 4-inch intervals. When he hit me with it, I would have nickel-shaped imprints on my legs and ass for hours.

When we weren't home, he would just backhand me.

Was I an exceptionally well-behaved, quiet child? You bet your sweet bippy I was.

I also have a seething hatred for my father.

Don't really want to go down that same path with my own kids.
 
2013-09-17 01:59:32 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: forever_blowing_bubbles: Agent Smiths Laugh: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

THIS.

hailin: I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.

PLUS THIS!

Missicat: Cold_Sassy: My Mom had 4 children and, back in the day, you were still permitted to spank your child and that took care of most behavioral issues.  I honestly can't remember me or any of my 3 brothers ever throwing a fit.  I'm sure we must have, but you could count on old Mom lowering the boom and that stemmed most bad behavior.

Too bad some stupid jerkoffs had to make that a crime.

Same here.  Except I was one of seven. Yes, seven.  And my mom does wonder why parents can't control their kids.  If we went out to a restaurant as a family, and one of us acted up...guess who had to stay home the next time with a babysitter.  We had these things called "consequences" when we misbehaved.

PLUS THIS!

The math the article writer refers to is not that hard, he's just stupid.

It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.

Oh yes, I forgot, the plural of anecdote is data!

// ...


That's also quite the lack of understanding a social contract. "Ain't my fault, ain't my problem!" Nice to know you live in a farking bubble. So please stay in it, otherwise you'll meet people in a society, and when none of them are your 'fault' or 'problem', they might begin to think that it's you, in fact, that can't be trusted to behave.
 
2013-09-17 02:00:15 PM

bborchar: Okay, now what is the punishment that every parent should use on every child that works every time no matter what age or temperament or gender they are?


Obvioulsy you should smack your children every chance you get. That's the only way they'll grow up to be well-adjusted, non-judgemental, totally sane, and the slightest bit self centered like Agent Smith Laughs. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of an upstanding "man" like him?!?
 
2013-09-17 02:01:39 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: bborchar: Okay, now what is the punishment that every parent should use on every child that works every time no matter what age or temperament or gender they are?

Obvioulsy you should smack your children every chance you get. That's the only way they'll grow up to be well-adjusted, non-judgemental, totally sane, and NOT the slightest bit self centered like Agent Smith Laughs. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of an upstanding "man" like him?!?


// FTFM
 
2013-09-17 02:01:51 PM

Joe USer: New Slang: Joe USer: New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking

1/10, your trolling needs work.

No.  Your opinion doesn't matter.  Get over it.

So you were actually advocating assaulting a child?

In that case 2/10. Keep trying.


Cut it some slack. The account's only a week old. The persona hasn't had time to ferment yet.
 
2013-09-17 02:12:07 PM

lostcat: ghettodwarf:

You just gave me a THIS boner!  I was in Vegas for work last year.  On one of my evening drunken strolls down the strip (around 11pm-ish) I passed a family.  The mom was pushing a stroller (a 1 child stroller) that had a sleeping one year old in it AND a screaming two year old flopping around on top of the one year old.  The mom of course looked miserable, but I thought to myself "who the fark has toddlers out at 11pm...in Vegas...ON THE STRIP!".  Just as I was making a mental note to call my wife the next morning(who was home with our twin girls) I saw another couple with their (probably 10-12 year old son) and the kid was complaining about not feeling well.  Then right in front of me the kid pukes all over the sidewalk (had I been a little more sober, I would've puked on him as I am a sympathetic vomiter...in fact, I just heaved a little just thinking about it).  I walked down the street to my favorite hole in the wall bar, and got heatered thinking "I can't believe parents like this exist".


I'm not disagreeing with most of what you are saying, but I do want to bring up one thing.

I have, on occassion, taken my daughter out to the store at 11pm, or later, to get some things that she wants. People give me nasty looks because I have this toddler out so late.

What they don't know is that my daugther spends a good deal of time in Japan, visiting her grandmother. She's been there five times, each time for over a month, and she's just turned three.

When she gets back to the US, she's got a 16-hour time difference to deal with, so she's up a good part of the night until she can get back into a normal sleep pattern.

The fact that nobody has this background information, so make assumptions about my parenting skills, has helped me to put myself in other peoples' positions and consider that I might not have all of the details before I start passing judgement.


Actually the 11pm bit was an aside, I generally don't care if a child is up at a certain time because some kids like to stay up late.  With my girls, one passes out promptly at 7:30 every night, the other sometimes doesn't show any signs of slowing down till 9:30 or 10.  as long as they're not exhausted when they get ready for school in the morning (which they're not) I don't mind.  The importance of 11pm in this case was it was the Vegas strip.  Have you ever been on the strip in Vegas at 11pm?  It is nuts to butts packed with drunken adults.  And there's no reason to be there with a child, as you have to be 21 to enter just about any building.  The difference here is between being in a store at 11pm with your non-exhausted child, or being on what amounts to the crowded patio of a giant bar at 11pm with your obviously extremely tired child.
 
2013-09-17 02:12:08 PM

bborchar: It's simple: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline.

Oh yes, I forgot, the plural of anecdote is data!

// ...

Okay, now what is the punishment that every parent should use on every child that works every time no matter what age or temperament or gender they are?


Depends on the kid. Some kids respond well to corporal punishment. Some don't. It takes effort on the part of the parent to find what works on the kid. Once found though it should be applied fairly and consistently, and time should be taken to inform the child of what actions incur what consequences. The consequences may be variable depending on the undesired behavior.

What it should not be is appeasement. Appeasement for bad behavior is not punishment, it's capitulation. It sets a bad precedent that a child will notice and take advantage of with surprising regularity. Appeasement should only happen for good behavior as a reward.

Failing to do anything is also a poor method. Apathy is only slightly less ineffective than appeasement for bad behavior.

Teach them that there is acceptable and unacceptable behavior and that acceptable behavior is rewarded and unacceptable behavior is punished. Then be consistent about enforcing both of those results.

But as I said: kid + punishment + consistency = discipline. Which also applies to kid + reward + consistency.
 
2013-09-17 02:13:22 PM
A.) The tantrum worked, and they've discovered an easy and effective way of controlling their parent's behavior when out in public.


So then yes, you are that stupid. Good luck with parenting.
 
2013-09-17 02:14:15 PM
Then don't shove your kids photos in my face unsolicited! Problem solved!
 
2013-09-17 02:14:20 PM

bborchar: Okay, oh childless peoplewith all of your disposable income, let us mere peasant parents know exactly which places we are allowed to bring our children so as not to intrude upon your precious world of peace and quiet.  Because so far, I've noticed that I'm not allowed to take my children:

1. On any form of public transportation you might be riding
2. In any restaurant you eat at
3. To sporting events of any kind
4. Down a sidewalk where you might be walking
5. To any entertainment venue which you might be at
6. To any store in which you might be shopping

Now, tell me...who's the special snowflake?



If you're not going to pay attention to what's already been said then you'll have to sit at the kiddie table.
 
2013-09-17 02:18:18 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: Agent Smiths Laugh: Not my fault if you ignore the obvious. Not my problem either. I'm not responsible for your ignorance of the human animal.

You know how I know you a) don't have children, and b) are full of shiat? Go on guess!


forever_blowing_bubbles: bborchar: Okay, now what is the punishment that every parent should use on every child that works every time no matter what age or temperament or gender they are?

Obvioulsy you should smack your children every chance you get. That's the only way they'll grow up to be well-adjusted, non-judgemental, totally sane, and the slightest bit self centered like Agent Smith Laughs. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of an upstanding "man" like him?!?


Wanna know how I know you're not psychic?

But you sure do try hard, I'll give you that.

What amuses me is just how completely powerless all of your vitriol is. For all your lashing out, you simply will not ever manage to change my opinions or experiences. So I just get to watch you spin and twirl in anger.
 
2013-09-17 02:21:34 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Marcintosh: You know, act like a christian or something

Why is it always on everybody BUT the christians to act christian?


*shrug* dunno but it seems to run right across the franchise.
 
2013-09-17 02:21:51 PM

Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes



I stopped after this comment because I couldn't stop laughing! I'm sure that you have been thoroughly berated and then defended by now, but I just had to comment!

Oh, never mind...I'm still laughing too hard!
 
2013-09-17 02:23:28 PM

Allen. The end.: That's also quite the lack of understanding a social contract. "Ain't my fault, ain't my problem!" Nice to know you live in a farking bubble. So please stay in it, otherwise you'll meet people in a society, and when none of them are your 'fault' or 'problem', they might begin to think that it's you, in fact, that can't be trusted to behave.


My comment was directed specifically at forever_blowing_bubbles. Are you telling me that I'm somehow responsible for him/her now?
 
2013-09-17 02:24:29 PM

leonel: Then don't shove your kids photos in my face unsolicited! Problem solved!


Unless you have a hot 18 year old daughter.

/FTFM
 
2013-09-17 02:28:27 PM
There's a strange attitude prevalent amongst childless and one-child people, that whatever worked either for them growing up or for their one kid will work for all kids, as though they aren't different people with different personalities. The one guy talking about the imminent-spanking look should try my four year old. He will look you dead in the eye like bring it! and then after the spanking is that all you got? Everyone says time-out is a wimpy form of discipline and I used to agree, until it turned out to be the best method for this kid. Usually produces desirable results in 5 minutes or less.
 
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