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2013-09-17 11:44:43 AM

rga184: to be fair, sitting through an episode of Caillou is child abuse.  I would not expect anybody to do that.


Agreed, but the theme song keeps getting stuck in my head.  No, I will not be that guy that types out the lyrics so that they get stuck in your head too.
 
2013-09-17 11:45:20 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.


I'd rather be thought of as a bad parent than be a judgmental prick who automatically can determine what someone should do in 100% of situations just by looking at them.
 
2013-09-17 11:46:22 AM

cannibalparrot: TalenLee: cannibalparrot: I've run into this kind of attitude before...

"You can't have an opinion on abortion! You're a MAN!"

Wow, that sounds quite insane if meant wholeheartedly and not as a shortcut. I have heard "Your opinion about abortion is less valid because you've never experienced any of the related issues," which seems pretty reasonable to me.

Nope.  She meant exactly what she said.


I wouldn't tell a man that he didn't get to have an opinion on abortion.  I would tell a man that whether or not a woman has an abortion isn't (or shouldn't be) his decision to make.

I suppose that distinction is quite meaningful to some, and not-at-all meaningful to others.
 
2013-09-17 11:48:17 AM
The My Little Pony Killer:
//remove your child from the situation, jackhole

No.
 
2013-09-17 11:48:38 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.


Parenting is also about teaching. And if you remove the child from the situation immediately, you've taught the child to throw a tantrum if she doesn't like her immediate surroundings. Yes, sometimes you have to take the kid out. But it's not always necessary, or even a good idea. There is no BAD PARENT DO X, GOOD PARENTS DO Y paradigm here.
 
2013-09-17 11:51:38 AM

Falstaff: rga184: to be fair, sitting through an episode of Caillou is child abuse.  I would not expect anybody to do that.

Agreed, but the theme song keeps getting stuck in my head.  No, I will not be that guy that types out the lyrics so that they get stuck in your head too.


we speak spanish and english at home.  I know the lyrics to that farking opening song in two languages.  thankfully the caillou phase is finally over and she's now obsessed with ballet.  So now our house is filled with the sounds of the nutcracker and don quixote, her favorites.  they are very long productions, so even though she's listened to the former enough times to literally know every note (I kid you not, she can hum most of it from memory), it doesn't get repetitive because it's two hours long.

She also went through a phase where she asked to listen to the cure in the car.  That phase was awesome.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:32 AM

Infernalist: I love how parents have come to think that ignoring a temper tantrum is the proper course of action to take, ESPECIALLY in public.


I can tell you've had lots of experience in dealing with kids who throw a tantrum because they want to leave.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:57 AM
This thread certainly establishes one thing, which is that there's no easier way to troll a parent than by complaining about the way kids behave.

Personally, I'd prefer if the vociferous "child haters" would chill out and try to be less trolltastic, because I'd enjoy a reasonable discussion about ways parents and non-parents can coexist peacefully, but I know better than to try that on Fark. Nevertheless, I will offer the following notes to parents:

Children's cries and screams *are* in fact pretty much impossible to ignore for biological reasons. In fact, smoke alarms are set at the crying-baby frequency specifically because of that. Parents eventually learn to tune out that kind of noise somehow, but those of us who have little or no exposure to kids don't have that ability.

So the tantrum you're tuning out because you know you can't stop it really *is* a very big deal to the non-parents around you. It's causing an instinctive stress response that we have no way to address. It's inevitable that we'll get frustrated, and often angry. Even if we know logically that sometimes kids are just like that, even if we sympathize, even if you're obviously doing your best to deal with a difficult situation, we can't help being upset by the noise because we're genetically hardwired to react. We *can*, and should, do our best to behave like reasonable adults, but it's just as understandable that some people find that difficult as that sometimes kids scream.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for most parents. While popping out a baby is nothing of particular note, I find it inexplicable and astonishing that most people manage to rise to the occasion and make even the most basic of sacrifices necessary to care for a child. I've always had cats, and it's a good thing they're so self-sufficient, because I'm barely competent to take care of them. Or myself, for that matter. Seriously, most of y'all are farking heroes as far as I'm concerned.

Funny story: The other day my fiancé and I were in a grocery store when a little girl (maybe 2-3 years old) yelled "HI," ran up behind me, and grabbed my ass with both hands. The mother's immediate response was to apologize profusely (followed by a stern "Get back here! You do NOT do that!" to the child).

I thought it was hilarious anyway -- given the choice between a screaming child and an ass-grabbing one, I'll take the ass-grabbing every time -- but I appreciated the mother's apology because it was an acknowledgement that it was not OK for her kid to grab my ass, and that her child's actions were her responsibility. She told her older son to take the little girl's hand and led them away, with the girl still waving gaily back at me.

Honestly, parents, an apology is the least you can do. If you don't think you should have to adhere to the most basic rules of etiquette because you think everyone should "just deal with it" when your kids act up, you are EXACTLY the parents people in this thread are complaining about it, and down the road your kids will also be those parents, because chances are pretty good you won't bother to teach them any manners either.

Also, the vociferous child-haters need to chill the fark out. I don't have/want kids and I strongly dislike being around them myself, but if you're looking for excuses to be annoyed by pretty much anything, children included, you will certainly find plenty of them. If you save your butthurt for times when children are genuinely causing a problem for you instead of just pissing and moaning every time you're forced to notice a child's existence, your blood pressure is going to go way down and everyone will be much happier.
 
2013-09-17 11:54:14 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand people who hate children so much. You do know you were that screaming a-hole at one point in your life right?


Yes, and when I screamed like an asshole, my parents removed me from the situation so that strangers wouldn't have to deal with my screaming assholeness.

Now you can have the same consideration my parents did and remove your hollering offspring from the vicinity for the duration of time they feel the need to stretch their lungs.
 
2013-09-17 11:55:49 AM

MycroftHolmes: Screaming kids are obnoxious and annoying.  Sanctimonious, self centered douchbags so offended that anything might inconvenience them slightly are obnoxious and annoying.

One of those two groups is young and doesn't know better.

Get over yourself.  There are a lot of people on this planet, live and let live.  It will be ok.


The group that is young and doesn't know any better is often accompanied by older people who DO know better and should remove them from the situation.
 
2013-09-17 11:56:47 AM

rga184: Falstaff: Doc Daneeka: onzmadi: There are places you can go if you want food without the child experience, they are called bars and expensive restaurants.
If you are biatching about kids in a grocery store, a family restaurant, the bus or in a park
you really properly need to shut the hell up.

Pretty much.

I don't take my toddler to nice restaurants (anything nicer than a diner or a Friday's).  I don't take him to the movies (except a couple times to a G-rated animated film, matinee showing).

My rule of thumb for restaurants is that if they have high chairs, they expect to have kids.  I'm not taking the <1 year olds to Ruth Chris, don't get too upset with me if they are at Perkins and drop some cheerios.  :-)

My little ones are still way to young to take to the movies.  They can't even sit through a full episode of Caillou.

to be fair, sitting through an episode of Caillou is child abuse.  I would not expect anybody to do that.


Out of curiosity, what's your problem with Caillou? I've seen a few people complain about Caillou's behavior as a bad model for kids, but I think they miss the point. Caillou acts out in expression of how something makes him feel (which every kid does sometimes, or if they don't act out, they still have the same feelings). This is how the situation relates to kids in a way they understand. Then a parent or other authority figure steps in and guides Caillou into understanding his problem so he can correct himself and feel better. He doesn't whine or have fits as an example of desirable behavior, that's just the set up for the show to basically say "hey, when you act this way or feel this way in this type of situation, you don't need to because [insert explanation here]."

My kids both watched Caillou without any trouble getting it.
 
2013-09-17 11:57:15 AM

Luthien's Tempest: it's way more fun to go talk to the kid


Not when I have more important shiat I'm trying to concentrate on, not when they have a PARENT with them who could very easily be doing those parenty-sounding things.

You expect the village to step in and raise the child, but they'd better keep their mouths shut about it? Oh hell no.
 
2013-09-17 11:58:22 AM
I actually saw a woman meltdown over kids acting up a few months ago. We were at a family restaurant eating lunch, and about 4 couples were eating at one table, while all their children were seated at another table. The kids were probably age 3 to 8, and they were acting like kids that age do; being noisy, getting up and talking to each other, and generally creating a lot of racket. The parents were engrossed in their own conversations, and only rarely did any of them say anything to the kids to calm down. A middle aged woman, sitting alone at a table near the kids, finally couldn't stand it any more, stood up and yelled "will all you kids sit down and behave!".

The restaurant fell dead silent for a moment, including the kids. The parents began actually trying to keep the kids quieter, and the restaurant staff offered to move the woman further away from the kid table. Our server just said "thank god I'm not taking care of those tables myself" the next time she came by.
 
2013-09-17 12:00:16 PM

gglibertine: Also, the vociferous child-haters need to chill the fark out.


And you should chill out with the "child hater" shiat. The problem people have is with parents who either ignore their shrieking kid or think it's somehow cute, not with the kid itself.
 
2013-09-17 12:01:43 PM

pseudoscience: TalenLee: Maybe they'll make nice rooms for people with no kids to go and sit in places they can be (relatively) sure they won't have to hear children crying? I dunno. The blog post seems to be responding to a petty asshole by being a sanctimonious asshole.

This.

Non-parents need to understand that kids throw temper tantrums sometimes, regardless of the quality of the parenting, so learn to deal with it. Alternatively, the author says, "the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple; maybe you don't have time to shut down the whole operation just because Billy's gone nuclear." Sometimes that is true, but you don't get a free pass every time simply because it is an inconvenience to you to be respectful of everyone else in public.


Forgive me for excessive thising, but yes, both sides look bad when they can't cut the other side some slack.
 
2013-09-17 12:01:56 PM

Marcintosh: You know, act like a christian or something


Why is it always on everybody BUT the christians to act christian?
 
2013-09-17 12:03:58 PM

Freudian_slipknot: Yes, parents are always smart and do the best for their kids.  Those who only have a basic grasp of reality can't hope to compete with that

http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/journals/pedann/%7Bb09dbfc1-b28f-47 01 -b42c-527bb369f62b%7D/a-3-year-old-girl-with-eye-pain   (Warning: graphic example of the kind of expert having a child makes you)


*violent shudders*


This previously healthy, unimmunized child has severe vitamin-A deficiency with xerophthalmia, corneal ulcerations, follicular hyperkeratosis, scurvy, anemia, and malnutrition. During the hospitalization, the parents requested strict adherence to a "chemical-free" environment and avoidance of medications with preservatives and artificial coloring. However, upon further investigation, the mother, a health care provider, was unable to provide any supporting evidence for the chemical sensitivities; in fact, the patient was previously seen by more than a dozen providers without substantiation of these diagnoses.

I...OK, that got me kinda homicidal. I think I better just creep on outta this thread.
 
2013-09-17 12:04:37 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Marcus Aurelius: Lady J: if i have to listen to your screeching brat on the bus, i get to have an opinion

You'd also better keep it to yourself if you know what's good for you.  Stepping on a parent's last nerve is never a good idea.

But the parent wearing down on the nerves of everybody else in public is still a-okay.

/no wait, it's not
//remove your child from the situation, jackhole


So in your world the parent with the child (that is already in full on cry mode) should get off the bus and walk?

blurbrain.com

That's some fine humanity Lou.
 
2013-09-17 12:05:02 PM

Mugato: The problem people have is with parents who either ignore their shrieking kid or think it's somehow cute, not with the kid itself.


How cute, you think the parents care what your opinion is.
 
2013-09-17 12:05:17 PM

rga184: supayoda: Mugato: I have a niece and nephew I take out sometimes and I've never had any problems with their throwing a tantrum or acting up. Take some parenting classes, get a nanny or go to the nearest PetSmart and buy a muzzle. Failing all of that, don't get all indignant when someone expresses annoyance at your shrieking spawn.No one should yell at you or anything but don't get all uppity if someone's natural reaction is to look annoyed in your direction.

Yeah, that's just like being a parent when you get to give them back once they get tired and cranky. If you really haven't had a problem, then chances are mom or dad was the one who had to handle the tantrums or acting up and used that to get them straightened out before you got them. That's kudos to them, not you.

EVERY parent has at least one or two meltdowns in a public place. EVERY parent. You might not have any beyond that, and the one you have may or may not be short (no guarantees on the first one) depending upon how you handled that teachable moment as a parent, but there's ALWAYS the first time. There is no exception to that rule because every child has to learn at some point that they can't have everything they want, and every child has to learn that Mommy and Daddy don't give in to their demands just because there are other people around. A fully functioning child does not exist that hasn't tried it. If you teach your child that he or she can have their way by acting like a tool, then you are a bad parent, and you're encouraging them to act like a tool every time you go out rather than a few times.

Anyone who has ever had a child and says that they've never had a problem is either oblivious (and a real bad parent/caretaker) or lying.

This is very true.  This is why I'm a fan of the drop everything and take my child outside theory though.  It allows me to deal with the tantrum outside of prying eyes and of course, it's considerate of others who may not be in the mood to hear ear-splitting screams o ...


I'd definitely agree that it's situational as to what you do regarding discipline so long as you're doing it and you're being consistent. The grocery store tantrums I had to put up with (a total of three) were due to her wanting to leave the store, so it seemed like I'd be giving in to the tantrum to step outside. Spanking never worked with her, but she was always into walking beside Mommy "like a big girl," so I put her in the cart seat during the tantrum. I think they all lasted maybe a minute or two before she stopped and realized she was getting nothing. I would also typically reward her with a quarter for the little toy/sticker vending machines if she'd behaved.

Biggest problem I have with her now is her trying to reason with me about X cereal she's seen advertised. She's setting herself up to either be a politician or a lawyer, and I feel a need to apologize to the rest of the world.
 
2013-09-17 12:05:51 PM

bborchar: Where are they supposed to find a babysitter at 10:30 am on a Thursday morning?


Not the bosses' problem. You made the kid, you take responsibility for it or for finding a job that suits your hours.
 
2013-09-17 12:06:57 PM

GORDON: Children are a basic, fundamental, and generally harmless fact of life.  They always will be.  The only attitudes you change by sharing your anti-child views are in how the rest of the world perceives you, not children.

 
2013-09-17 12:09:18 PM

bborchar: The My Little Pony Killer: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.

I'd rather be thought of as a bad parent than be a judgmental prick who automatically can determine what someone should do in 100% of situations just by looking at them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SO MUCH farkING THIS!!!
 
2013-09-17 12:09:42 PM

wickedragon: Of course non-parents are allowed to have opinions on how to rear human mini-beasts.
It's just that hvaing an opinoin and having a valid opinion is two different things.
And having an opinion and loudly voicing that opinion is two different things.

See, if you think blue is a better color for a car than yellow, that's perfectly okay. Going up to every yellow-colored car you see and loudly proclaiming that they suck at owning cars is still stupid.

And, if you think that it sucks that your your car has four wheels and that it would be better if it had three that is perfectly within your right. You're wrong, but so are we all at some point or another. Not voicing your very very stupid opinion will help you convince others that you are not very very stupid. So please keep your mouth shut.

To paraphrase (and translate) Håvamål:

It's better to keep your mouth shut
And let people belive you a fool
than to open your mouth
and remove all doubt.

PS! in old norse it rhymes and is thus more awsome


We'll keep our mouths shut when you show us that you're trying to take care of your hollering offspring. Until then, guess you'll have to deal with the glares and murmurings.
 
2013-09-17 12:10:14 PM

lack of warmth: The worst one I witnessed was a dad who squeezed his daughters arm for singing a made up song about how much he meant to her ON FATHERS' DAY.


What. The. Hell.
 
2013-09-17 12:11:20 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand people who hate children so much. You do know you were that screaming a-hole at one point in your life right?

Yes, and when I screamed like an asshole, my parents removed me from the situation so that strangers wouldn't have to deal with my screaming assholeness.


Sometimes they can't, get over it.
 
2013-09-17 12:14:15 PM

Joe USer: The My Little Pony Killer: Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand people who hate children so much. You do know you were that screaming a-hole at one point in your life right?

Yes, and when I screamed like an asshole, my parents removed me from the situation so that strangers wouldn't have to deal with my screaming assholeness.

Sometimes they can't, get over it.


My guess, it happened to him just last week because the hissy fits he has about kids are no doubt the result of his parents constantly giving into his tantrums.
 
2013-09-17 12:14:56 PM

Freudian_slipknot: Yes, parents are always smart and do the best for their kids.  Those who only have a basic grasp of reality can't hope to compete with that

http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/journals/pedann/%7Bb09dbfc1-b28f-47 01 -b42c-527bb369f62b%7D/a-3-year-old-girl-with-eye-pain   (Warning: graphic example of the kind of expert having a child makes you)


They're an expert at malnourishing their child? Good for them, I guess, as long as they didn't take her out in public to suffer and make the rest of society suffer with her.
 
2013-09-17 12:17:00 PM
Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking
 
2013-09-17 12:17:01 PM

Freudian_slipknot: lostcat: Standing, her head came up to about the same height as my head. But behind us was an older couple. The woman kept sucking her teeth in annoyance and muttering, 'sit down,' in that cowardly level of voice between actually saying it and keeping it to yourself.

All I can say about that woman is, 'what an asshole.'

Perhaps she was an asshole, and perhaps she was concerned for the safety of your unrestrained child in the case of turbulence.

I do find it amusing that you call her using her voice cowardly, but you didn't turn around to say anything yourself.

You feel justified because, well, it's your story.  That's how it happens.  That doesn't necessarily mean that there's not another side and that it's not just as justified.


Oh noes! I'm a horrible father because I didn't have my child strapped in the entire 5-hour flight! Something could HAPPEN! I'm a terrible parent because I don't let her wear a helmet and full-body padding at all times too.

What was I supposed to say in response to her barely audible comment? "Hey lady, why don't you shut up?"

What, in your mind, is the appropriate response to someone who is being passive agressive about the behavior of your child? I think ignoring it is the most appropriate action. If she REALLY wanted me to make my daughter sit down, she should have gotten my attention and said something directly to me, intead of sucking her teeth and muttering, "sit down" barely under her breath. I guarantee you my daughter didn't hear it, so why not say, "tell your kid to sit down"?

Let's think about her side.

"I'm trying to watch an in-flight movie, and the kid in front of me is standing next to her parent, hugging him. I don't care that he's been overseas for the past three months and she's only seen him on Skype, and having him there, next to her, makes her want to hug him, I just want to recline back in my seat and watch this Clint Eastwood baseball drama without having the bottom half-inch of the screen blocked by the top of her head. And I certainly don't want to bring my own seat up so I can have a clear, unobstructed view of the screen. The fact that this kid's head is lower in the seat than that of an average adult is immaterial to me."
 
2013-09-17 12:18:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: We'll keep our mouths shut when you show us that you're trying to take care of your hollering offspring. Until then, guess you'll have to deal with the glares and murmurings.


Why? Is that considered an excuse for acting like an epic douchebag? Do you think, 'Oh, you're trying to my level of satisfaction, so I won't get all passive-aggressive on you.' The kid is acting like a kid, what's your excuse?
 
2013-09-17 12:20:20 PM

Onkel Buck: Satan's Bunny Slippers: UtopianDevil: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Yes, they are only in Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

We had Farm and Fleet in Ohio when I was a kid. All the ones I know of were eventually replaced by TSC stores. And TSC sucks.

Last time I was in our TSC, I was looking for a gate wheel.  The man working in that area looked at me like I asked for a three horned space alien in blue.  Yep, they suck.

I worked at TSC in high school because I refused to work a fast food job. So I'm getting kicks. We were the best store in the state at the time, but that was over 20 years ago.


I actually deleted part of my response that said just that.  TSC used to be a great store, but not in the last 15 or so years.  Farm & Fleet, hell even Big Rs are better than TSC now.
 
2013-09-17 12:20:59 PM

New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking


1/10, your trolling needs work.
 
2013-09-17 12:21:21 PM

Mugato: gglibertine: Also, the vociferous child-haters need to chill the fark out.

And you should chill out with the "child hater" shiat. The problem people have is with parents who either ignore their shrieking kid or think it's somehow cute, not with the kid itself.


Tell that to the child haters in this thread that have called children.  Parasites, Crotch Fruit, and other such terms.
 
2013-09-17 12:24:18 PM

supayoda: So basically... The tantrum you and the people around you had to deal with doesn't count as a tantrum?


Yes, I suppose the three seconds that it lasted was really horrible for everyone. Considering it was over nearly instantly and it was never repeated, I always looked at it as an anomaly.

supayoda: That's the point I try to make. EVERY child attempts it at least once.


This is likely accurate, but there is a large difference between the tantrum being stopped cold and what the article was talking about which is parents just letting the kid scream without doing anything about it. As you may notice in my comment that you quoted, I was referring to the attitude that tantrums and meltdowns are just normal and to be expected from children. That is the attitude that allows the kid to keep screaming without consequences. Tantrums are not 'normal'.  They are bad behavior that must be stopped. It may be typical that kids try the tantrum route once, but I don't label it as 'normal' for it to be ignored by the parent. Ignoring the problem is letting the kid inflict their bad behavior on everyone else. As one other person said in this thread, a tantrum has three outcomes -  tantrum works, tantrum doesn't work, or tantrum leaves them in a worse situation than they were in before. I make absolutely certain the third one is what happens.
 
2013-09-17 12:26:44 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Luthien's Tempest: it's way more fun to go talk to the kid

Not when I have more important shiat I'm trying to concentrate on, not when they have a PARENT with them who could very easily be doing those parenty-sounding things.

You expect the village to step in and raise the child, but they'd better keep their mouths shut about it? Oh hell no.


And you do realize that when that 'village' is mentioned in regard to raising that child the said raising involves more than removing your ear buds to glare at the parents who dared to bring their children to Starbucks?

But please, do go on about the 'important shiat' that you are trying to concentrate on in a public place.

www.mbird.com

26 minutes?
 
2013-09-17 12:27:14 PM

Joe USer: New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking

1/10, your trolling needs work.


No.  Your opinion doesn't matter.  Get over it.
 
2013-09-17 12:27:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.


If the child is throwing a tantrum in a public place because they don't want to be there, then dropping everything and leaving accomplishes the following:

1) First, and foremost, it teaches the child that throwing a tantrum WORKED, that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want,
2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,
3) In light of that, it rewards the tantrum and makes them more likely to occur in the future.

This is bad parenting.  It may be more comforting to random passersby, but it teaches the wrong lesson to the kid.  The lesson they need to learn is that the parents control the agenda, and can't be compelled to stop everything and leave simply because the child doesn't want to be there.  They need to learn that the tantrum is ineffective.
 
2013-09-17 12:31:28 PM
The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.

If the child is throwing a tantrum in a public place because they don't want to be there, then dropping everything and leaving accomplishes the following:

1) First, and foremost, it teaches the child that throwing a tantrum WORKED, that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want,
2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,
3) In light of that, it rewards the tantrum and makes them more likely to occur in the future.


Are you really this stupid?

This is bad parenting.  It may be more comforting to random passersby, but it teaches the wrong lesson to the kid.  The lesson they need to learn is that the parents control the agenda, and can't be compelled to stop everything and leave simply because the child doesn't want to be there.  They need to learn that the tantrum is ineffective.
 
2013-09-17 12:32:04 PM
I don't have play football to know a good football player from a bad football player.

I don't have to play an instrument to know a good musician from a bad musician.

I don't have to be a parent to know a good parent from a bad parent, or good parenting from bad parenting.
 
2013-09-17 12:32:35 PM
This was already mentioned upthread, but it bears repeating - several times. The guy is an antivaxxer psycho who actually wrote a blog titled "Men and women are not equal," so his arguments are invalid. In short, his blog sucks.
 
2013-09-17 12:32:50 PM

vudukungfu: Crib midgets. Crotch fruit. Sex trophies. Crotch droppings. Crumb snatchers. Womb rats. Ankle biters. Snowflakes. Spawn.
Miss any?


I thought ankle biters were little dogs?
 
2013-09-17 12:34:55 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I don't have play football to know a good football player from a bad football player.

I don't have to play an instrument to know a good musician from a bad musician.

I don't have to be a parent to know a good parent from a bad parent, or good parenting from bad parenting.


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2013-09-17 12:35:16 PM
The guy is an antivaxxer psycho who actually wrote a blog titled "Men and women are not equal,"


Outrageous! Where could someone even get an idea like that?
 
2013-09-17 12:38:38 PM

New Slang: Joe USer: New Slang: Why punish the parent?  Just slap the kid up the back of the head or trip them when the parent is not looking

1/10, your trolling needs work.

No.  Your opinion doesn't matter.  Get over it.


So you were actually advocating assaulting a child?

In that case 2/10. Keep trying.
 
2013-09-17 12:42:08 PM

smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad


So naturally your opinion takes into account the fact that it's a small child who is not entirely verbal yet, highly confused by the world around them, and is designed to cry to release stress? I mean, if you're going to spew  ignorant opinions, that's really only embarrassing yourself.

/Yes, they're noisy. So are jackhammers. They're part of life. Put on your big kid pants and deal with it, the kid's having a harder time than you are anyway.
 
2013-09-17 12:46:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand people who hate children so much. You do know you were that screaming a-hole at one point in your life right?

Yes, and when I screamed like an asshole, my parents removed me from the situation so that strangers wouldn't have to deal with my screaming assholeness.

Now you can have the same consideration my parents did and remove your hollering offspring from the vicinity for the duration of time they feel the need to stretch their lungs.


Because look how well you turned out.  So tolerant and non-judgmental.
 
2013-09-17 12:46:30 PM

smoky2010: If I have to tolerate your moronic offspring, then you have to tolerate my opinion

/if you don't like it, too bad



Did you ever misbehave when you were a child?  (Quick hint:  Yes)  We tolerated you when you acted like a moron, now you can do the same.

let him who is without sin, cast the first stone
 
2013-09-17 12:48:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: bborchar: Where are they supposed to find a babysitter at 10:30 am on a Thursday morning?

Not the bosses' problem. You made the kid, you take responsibility for it or for finding a job that suits your hours.


He's a lawyer and makes his own hours.  If he doesn't want people to bring their kids into his office, he should change his hours to where parents wouldn't have to.  Otherwise, he should shut up because those are the people paying his salary.
 
2013-09-17 12:49:15 PM

doubled99: The non-parent is right. If your child is throwing a major tantrum in public, and you keep on like nothing is happening, you are a BAD PARENT. GOOD PARENTS remove the child from the situation. Yes, it's inconvenient for you, the parent, but that's what parenting is. It's inconvenient for you, but worth it.

So take care of your damn kids and you won't have to worry about what you assume to be non-parents talking shiat about you.

If the child is throwing a tantrum in a public place because they don't want to be there, then dropping everything and leaving accomplishes the following:

1) First, and foremost, it teaches the child that throwing a tantrum WORKED, that throwing a tantrum is an effective way to get what they want,
2) It shows the child that they can control their parents behavior simply by threatening to embarrass them in front of strangers,
3) In light of that, it rewards the tantrum and makes them more likely to occur in the future.

Are you really this stupid?

This is bad parenting.  It may be more comforting to random passersby, but it teaches the wrong lesson to the kid.  The lesson they need to learn is that the parents control the agenda, and can't be compelled to stop everything and leave simply because the child doesn't want to be there.  They need to learn that the tantrum is ineffective.


From my experience, you are very wrong. And ignorant.

Obvious troll is obvious, though.
 
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