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2013-09-17 08:17:45 AM
I don't have kids, but they don't bother me at all. They're pretty funny when they run around screaming and breaking stuff. Even a bawling baby on the airplane is probably having massive stabby pains in the ear, so I feel sorry for them.
I do hate new mommies though. That tone of voice they use, even with other adults. They almost never look happy. And what is it with the farking khaki mom shorts with the little turned up cuffs? And the $2,000 strollers (Hoboken thing maybe)? I can't go to my local Starbucks any more - it's been occupied by lame-shorts-wearing new mommies babytalking to other new mommies about snowflake stuff. farking kill me.
Then there's the mommy bloggers. A real live human woman who is not at all embarrassed to call themselves a mommy blogger or mommy advocate. I can't fap to that. I can't fap to that at all.
 
2013-09-17 08:19:03 AM

marsoft: Cozret: marsoft: Sounds like you really hold your parents in contempt.

Contempt, no. They are wonderful people who have always been there for me. Much like the parents of my friends for them, my co-workers, myself for mine, etc. However, many people seem to think that parenting grants magic knowledge or that having (or not having) children affects the truth value of a person's statements, and that I find amusing.

I think you are confusing experience with "magical knowledge".  Would you agree that for instance a zoo keeper making statements regarding the care and feeding of zoo animals opinion is more valid on that subject than that of someone who has never had even a pet?


Personally, I wouldn't, necessarily. I know a woman who runs a "bird rehab". Her birds are obviously atrociously cared-for. I've never had a kestrel, but I know how to tell one is not well taken care of.

So, keeping the metaphor going, some zookeepers don't know what they're doing. Some zookeepers get eaten by lions, and then even people who have never had a pet can rightly say "Wow, that guy was a bad zookeeper."
 
2013-09-17 08:19:29 AM
You know how the Iraq war turned the country into a terrorist training ground?

This thread is just like that, but for trolls.

Absolutely magnificent.
 
2013-09-17 08:20:20 AM

Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public. And besides, it's way more fun to go talk to the kid (assuming they're not in the process of being punished) and try to distract them from what's upsetting them, especially when you can get them grinning.

And when I have been able to take my cousins on my own (though most of them were past the toddler stage at that point, but not always), they behave great. Because I'm their cousin and not a parent. Same trip with a parent or my grandmother along, and things aren't always as peachy. It does help that if I have them on my own, I have free time and can spoil them with all-day trips to the park and such.


I had the same experience with my 2 little nephews. Maybe it was because I treated them like little humans and not just as kids.
As soon as my sister was around, different story.
 
2013-09-17 08:23:23 AM

Cyclometh: Lady J:

encountering =/= encountering screeching brat

Spare me. You could be on the bus with a mom on her way to the doctor with a child that has an earache, or fell down getting on and barked a shin and is crying about it and you'd be right there with the other delicate flowers in this thread telling her she's a bad mother and should get off the bus until her "fark trophy" calms down, right?

I swear, every one of these threads is like a catalog of entitled snowflakes. Bunch of candy-asses, I can't believe you can possibly function in the real world.

What the fark do you people do when instead of having an encounter with a child, you run into an adult who is actually an asshole?


Man, I wonder where those people come from? I'm sure their parents raised them right, because parents are always right about their kids.
 
2013-09-17 08:25:21 AM
Isn't parenting nothing more than trial by fire?  Somehow I doubt that by having a child an individual magically becomes a parenting expert.  They know how they deal with their children.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If I went out and purchased a skill saw, lathe, planer and other assorted carpentry tools that doesn't automatically transform me into a master craftsmen.  Same with children and parenting.  Other people's input will help you hone your skills.  Just because you may not agree with or like what is being offered doesn't mean that it doesn't work.  It may be that it just doesn't work for you.  Both sides.  Get over it.
 
2013-09-17 08:26:46 AM

RayD8: Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public. And besides, it's way more fun to go talk to the kid (assuming they're not in the process of being punished) and try to distract them from what's upsetting them, especially when you can get them grinning.

And when I have been able to take my cousins on my own (though most of them were past the toddler stage at that point, but not always), they behave great. Because I'm their cousin and not a parent. Same trip with a parent or my grandmother along, and things aren't always as peachy. It does help that if I have them on my own, I have free time and can spoil them with all-day trips to the park and such.

I had the same experience with my 2 little nephews. Maybe it was because I treated them like little humans and not just as kids.
As soon as my sister was around, different story.


My mom and I were in charge of my three-year-old baby cousin a couple years ago. I warned him not to cross my mom because she was "the meanest mom". We got into a cute little debate over whose mom was the meanest. A few minutes later, he hit my mom with a toy dinosaur after she'd told him not to, and she made him go to his room for a few minutes.

As he passed me on the way out, he conceded, "She is mean!"

/he was a nightmare around his mom, but pretty good around his dad, and from then on, a friggin' angel around my mom
//she doesn't take shiat from anybody
 
2013-09-17 08:26:53 AM
All you need to know about raising kids is that they don't like bright light, don't get them wet, and no matter how much they beg or cry, never feed them after midnight.
 
2013-09-17 08:27:10 AM
If you sit next to me in a restaurant and give your kids an iPad to shut them up, that's cool. If you think I'm not going to fart at your table if I can HEAR the iPad, then you are in f
 
2013-09-17 08:27:54 AM
or a big sulfur-y surprise!
 
2013-09-17 08:28:52 AM

HaywoodJablonski: The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?


Didn't read the article, discipline sounds useful.

As far as non-parents knowing more about parenting, I'd have to point out that I watch parents occupy their kids in supermarkets by letting them go annoy others or play with stuff--that is, pull things off the shelf and throw it around, or spin trolleys full of product, essentially "go touch something that isn't yours or mommy's and stop bothering mommy."  Someone else has to deal with them, and clean up their mess.  And when you tell them they're raising their kid wrong... they get all snippy.

Then the kid is 14 and is a shoplifter and drug dealer and likes to tresspass and mess with other peoples' stuff.

Then he gets shot in the face by a farmer with a shotgun.

"ALL HE WAS DOING WAS EATING SOME APPLES!  YOU HAVE TEN MILLION APPLES!"

Yup.  He was stealin' my apples.  Ya don't understand "stealin'"?

We have people who are like... their kids are screaming and slamming toys on someone else's furniture or car, causing damage.  "Well you can't tell him to stop, he's 3 years old, he won't listen."  I've heard this excuse.  A lot.  And then... you have 3 year old Asian kids who suddenly stop and look up to you when they're in your way, and try to find a way to resolve the situation quickly and effectively.  And they clean up their toys.  And try to make sure they're not bothering anyone else or making a mess or damaging anything when they're occupying themselves.  biatch YOU ARE WRONG, SHOUT AT THE THREE YEAR OLD AND TAKE HIS TOYS AWAY.

But no, I'm not a parent, I can't possibly know anything about how kids work.  Obviously asians are just superior and we should euthanize your kids and sterilize you because your genetics are failure and need to be expunged.
 
2013-09-17 08:32:45 AM
Some parents have very well behaved children that do not annoy other adults when in public. If this does not describe your children and you persist in taking them out in public, you are bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-09-17 08:33:05 AM
time for a send them down the mines joke?
 
2013-09-17 08:33:16 AM
Probably 60 international flights and I only ever had one mid-flight meltdown.... with an 8 month old.   Nothing I could do... but since I'm the Dad I was getting disapproving looks from some females.  Fat, ugly woman right behind me said "why don't you control that child.  She woke me up" in the rudest possible tone.  I asked her if crying babies bothered her on airplanes.  She said yes, of course.  So I told her loud enough for the cabin to hear "the get your own private farking airplane and you won't have that problem".  She got laughed at by about 50 people and, as if by magic, baby stopped crying and started laughing too.
 
2013-09-17 08:34:26 AM

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.


Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?
 
2013-09-17 08:35:02 AM
Meanwhile, all of these 'kids causing havoc' things... I mean, I can't honestly think of the last time I've seen that. I do my own grocery shopping, sometimes with my wife, and... like, I can't think of seeing kids bawling in the aisles or throwing tantrums. I'll overhear a "Can I have that?" or a "No we can't have that," or a "Put that back," but it's overhearing.

Sometimes on a bus I'll hear a kid get a real wail on and that makes me super uncomfortable. The sound makes me feel ill and nervous and I fret. Sometimes my wife and I will be bothered by this, and one will roll their eyes and the other will sympathise some and we'll keep it to ourselves. This is like when say, a loud asshole sits too close and sings really loudly along with his phone.

It's this... strange cultural gap, really.
 
2013-09-17 08:36:20 AM

Mugato: jayhawk88: Falstaff: As a new father of twin girls, feel free to express any opinion you want.  I may laugh, I may tell you off.  Either way, we'll be good.

Do NOT, however, just walk up and start rubbing their cheek or stroking their hair.  I just about knocked a woman out last night for doing that.  Didn't say two words to me, just walks up and starts rubbing my youngest's head.  Creepy as hell.

The twins in public thing is one of the weirdest phenomenon ever. I can't say we ever had a "strangers touching" problem, but just everywhere, everyone has to know "do they run in your family" or "are they identical". It does lessen the older they get, though.

Maybe you guys can answer this. Do you dress your twins in identical outfits, if so, why? Is there a twin discount like buy one get one half off or something? And wouldn't that cause identity issues? Anyway, it's creepy, reminds me of The Shining.


And when King wrote The Shining, they were not supposed to be twins. Kubrick thought it would ramp up the creepy or something. Which it did.
 
2013-09-17 08:36:53 AM

Luthien's Tempest: I never quite understood getting pissed off at parents whose kids throw tantrums in public. Sure, there are places that kids maybe shouldn't be, but they have to learn how to behave in public anyway, and the only way to do that is to take them out into public.


If a kid is having a tantrum and the parent is trying to do something about it that's one thing. It's the parents that ignore it and continue about there business as if nothing is going on while their kid loses their mind or is running around creating chaos.

Frankly, I don't understand how even they can stand it.
 
2013-09-17 08:37:52 AM
I can't lay an egg, either. But I can smell a bad one.
 
2013-09-17 08:37:52 AM

robohobo: Also, we're all forcefully made to contribute monetarily to children that aren't ours. So fark off, parents. YOU farking made the choice to make more people. In most cases, people you cannot afford.


Here we go-
I contribute to SNAP and a host of other things that support your elderly parents but my parents are DEAD.
I contribute to legislators that rule on a host of issues that HAVE NO BEARING ON MY LIFE
I pay taxes for things I will NEVER SEE
General Electric PAYS NO TAXES and yet USES MY ROADS.
it's called an inequity.  They're everywhere.  I hope you are never effected by any but if you are, it's too bad, join the club.
Have a great day with perhaps a bit more perspective.

or-

AngryDragon: You're kid's right to exist and your right to not be ridiculed as a clueless parent ends at my nose.  If you can't control your kid, remove him/her from society until he/she learns.

You're kid's

parents right to exist and your right to not be ridiculed as a clueless parentchild ends at my nose.  If you can't control your kid parent, remove him/her from society until he/she learns.

And just keep your smelly whiney dirty diaper Alzheimer or Parkinsons afflicted elderly parents at home where they belong not sucking up state aid by the bucketful.

It's odd how some saws cut in BOTH directions isn't it?

some people choose not to have kids and that's okay.  some people choose to have kids and THAT's okay.
Everyone has parents, and, depending on how you handle it, that's okay.

Is anyone embarrassed when there's a Silver Alert for their parents that effects the entire state?  When everyone that's even passing through the state is requested to be on the look out for an elderly person with no brains or teeth?
Not bloody likely.
Does anyone complain about the expense when the local authorities have to send out search teams with dogs to find the missing elderly?  Like your deadbeat parents?
Not bloody likely.

So learn some simple human compassion.  It's gonna serve you well in the future.  Even if your parents are DEAD.  You know, act like a christian or something - give it a shot.

*stands, wipes hands on pants, walks away*
 
2013-09-17 08:38:41 AM
Kids are kids.  They are great, MOST of the time.  That being said, I have no real issues with kids that are having a bad day, I don't automatically go "wow, shiatty parent there!" and stomp off, giving the stink eye.

However, the blogger is a pants on head retarded douchebag.  Just like the stranger who was a colossal douchebag.  Both douchebags.

The mom, clever girl.  I hope her day got better.

/childless
//love being around all my siblings' kids....for a few hours at a time
///no one needs to be a douchebag about it
///DOUCHEBAGS!

(yes, it's early yet)
 
2013-09-17 08:39:31 AM

bluefoxicy: HaywoodJablonski: The woman in the article was disciplining her child. Isn't that what most of you untouchables (childless and usually mateless people) want her to do?

Didn't read the article, discipline sounds useful.

As far as non-parents knowing more about parenting, I'd have to point out that I watch parents occupy their kids in supermarkets by letting them go annoy others or play with stuff--that is, pull things off the shelf and throw it around, or spin trolleys full of product, essentially "go touch something that isn't yours or mommy's and stop bothering mommy."  Someone else has to deal with them, and clean up their mess.  And when you tell them they're raising their kid wrong... they get all snippy.

Then the kid is 14 and is a shoplifter and drug dealer and likes to tresspass and mess with other peoples' stuff.

Then he gets shot in the face by a farmer with a shotgun.

"ALL HE WAS DOING WAS EATING SOME APPLES!  YOU HAVE TEN MILLION APPLES!"

Yup.  He was stealin' my apples.  Ya don't understand "stealin'"?

We have people who are like... their kids are screaming and slamming toys on someone else's furniture or car, causing damage.  "Well you can't tell him to stop, he's 3 years old, he won't listen."  I've heard this excuse.  A lot.  And then... you have 3 year old Asian kids who suddenly stop and look up to you when they're in your way, and try to find a way to resolve the situation quickly and effectively.  And they clean up their toys.  And try to make sure they're not bothering anyone else or making a mess or damaging anything when they're occupying themselves.  biatch YOU ARE WRONG, SHOUT AT THE THREE YEAR OLD AND TAKE HIS TOYS AWAY.

But no, I'm not a parent, I can't possibly know anything about how kids work.  Obviously asians are just superior and we should euthanize your kids and sterilize you because your genetics are failure and need to be expunged.


Yeah, those damn trolleys. A gateway crime.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:17 AM

TalenLee: Sometimes on a bus I'll hear a kid get a real wail on and that makes me super uncomfortable.


That's because there's actually a physiological reaction to a child's crying. Humans respond to it far more than they do other noises. It's also why even when there's plenty of other stuff going on that's really distracting or noisy, a child's cry is so easy to hear.

We're programmed to respond to it.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:18 AM
TalenLee: Meanwhile, all of these 'kids causing havoc' things... I mean, I can't honestly think of the last time I've seen that. I do my own grocery shopping, sometimes with my wife, and... like, I can't think of seeing kids bawling in the aisles or throwing tantrums. I'll overhear a "Can I have that?" or a "No we can't have that," or a "Put that back," but it's overhearing.

I can tell you don't shop at Wal-Mart on weekends...
 
2013-09-17 08:40:31 AM

Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?


Absolutely.  I LOVE that idea.  In fact, the last time I booked flights with my kids, I planned to leave Toronto at 7am, four hour flight to Denver while they're rested and happy and fed, lots of toys and games to entertain them.  Hour and a half layover in Denver at lunch time, two hour flight to Phoenix with the little one napping and both fed and happy.  It would have been WONDERFUL.

Then, windstorm in Toronto.  Flight delayed, ON THE TARMAC, for 2 hours.  They were getting antsy but the Ipad kept my boy busy (and the de-icer, that was cool for him) - he's 3.  The baby (10 months) we just passed around between the three adults and kept feeding her.  She fell asleep on the flight once we finally took off, and he miraculously kept his cool, with a little bit of excited yelling (THAT'S THE WHEELS COMING OUT MOMMY!  WHOA WE'RE TIPPING!) upon descent in Denver.  Missed our connection, so SEVEN FREAKING HOURS in the Denver airport with two bored kids.  Ran about on the moving sidewalks for a long time.  Finally got on a packed flight to Phoenix, where we had to sit all scattered around.  Both promptly fell asleep and woke when we landed.  No crying.  The only tantrum we had was waiting to board the flight to Phoenix with the 3yo (he just wanted to get on NOW), and my husband when we missed our connection.  OH, and the guy who was politely asked to switch seats so that my husband could sit beside our 3yo.  I was like, Dude, sure, you can stay here with him, I'm sure Dad would love to have a quiet flight somewhere else on the plane.

So, maybe that parent on that plane HAD planned well.  Had scheduled those optimum hours, brought snacks and games to weather a flight or two - and the airlines s*&t all over it.  Hm?
 
2013-09-17 08:41:14 AM
You know what? Fark you you sanctimonious parents.  The author is justifying the parent letting the child be a shrieking nuisance because they "didn't have time" to deal with the child because it was "inconvenient." Tough shiat.  I'm not complaining about your parenting because your child is acting out (yes, I know children do that) but because you are being  selfish and inconsiderate by not dealing with it appropriately and instead making the unilateral choice to make your problem  my problem.  Is it a bigger inconvenience for you to have to stop your shopping and sit in your car with your kid than it is for me to listen to screaming for 40 seconds? Yes, but it's also  not my child and I'm not required to put up with its misbehavior.

And if you are a parent who is not doing something to control a tantruming child in a grocery store, you're damn right I'll have an opinion.  Same as I have an opinion about people who sneeze on the produce or haven't showered in days.Stop trying to blame people for being annoyed at  you for not doing something about that problem that you brought in with you.
 
2013-09-17 08:41:17 AM
"Many people, big and small, are assholes"
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-17 08:42:59 AM

shut_it_down: You know what? Fark you you sanctimonious parents.  The author is justifying the parent letting the child be a shrieking nuisance because they "didn't have time" to deal with the child because it was "inconvenient."


I like how you put things the author didn't say in quotes, like it was something in the article, so you can attack it.

That's called a strawman, in case you were wondering.
 
2013-09-17 08:43:40 AM

Civchic: So, maybe that parent on that plane HAD planned well.  Had scheduled those optimum hours, brought snacks and games to weather a flight or two - and the airlines s*&t all over it.  Hm?


Ok, drug them when they board the plane instead.
 
2013-09-17 08:46:03 AM
Did you hear the story about two assholes that met at the supermarket?
 
2013-09-17 08:46:09 AM

Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.

Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?


Very nice.  You counter your original argument 'I don't have to be a parent to know a bad one' with a litany of your qualifications as a parent.  You realize that you pretty much undermined your own argument.

Also, as an uncle and occasional babysitter of friends kids, my experience indicates that there is a world of difference between having to parent kids full time, and parent them only for small sprints in usually controlled circumstances.

And I made no statement about you.  Just made a declarative statement that I will stand by.  Sensitive much?
 
2013-09-17 08:46:37 AM

Civchic: Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?


Only problem I see with that theory is that if you have to fly from the west coast of the US to the east coast and want to arrive at a quasi-decent hour for kids, you are taking off at 6amish.
 
2013-09-17 08:47:00 AM
Ha! it's funny how butthurt shiatty parents get when they're called on their shiatty parenting.

But don't forget! You're a PARENT, and as such, better than others who aren't.
 
2013-09-17 08:48:18 AM
Perfect for baby showers:
www.barkingpet.com
 
2013-09-17 08:49:31 AM

doubled99: Ha! it's funny how butthurt shiatty parents get when they're called on their shiatty parenting.

But don't forget! You're a PARENT, and as such, better than others who aren't.


Are you honestly arguing that being a parent does not give you more insight in the challenges of being a parent?  Seriously?
 
2013-09-17 08:50:47 AM

safeforwork: And in the reverse: I know for a fact that MANY (by many I mean among my own experiences) 'anti child' people are perfectly okay smoking in public, or drinking and driving, or throwing their own temper tantrums, and expect everyone to 'just deal with it'


Today's lesson:  Don't be a dick in public.
 
2013-09-17 08:50:59 AM

TalenLee: Maybe they'll make nice rooms for people with no kids to go and sit in places they can be (relatively) sure they won't have to hear children crying? I dunno. The blog post seems to be responding to a petty asshole by being a sanctimonious asshole.


This.

Non-parents need to understand that kids throw temper tantrums sometimes, regardless of the quality of the parenting, so learn to deal with it. Alternatively, the author says, "the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple; maybe you don't have time to shut down the whole operation just because Billy's gone nuclear." Sometimes that is true, but you don't get a free pass every time simply because it is an inconvenience to you to be respectful of everyone else in public.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:15 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: These kids are our future surgeons, police officers, scientists etc.


I'll give you the police officers, but the future scientists and surgeons are sitting down to supper in India right about now.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:47 AM

abhorrent1: How about you parents quit expecting everyone to change the way they live to accommodate your little farking brat?

Oh. You don't like what's on TV because your snowflake may see it? Here's a news flash: You TV has a power button!


I don't get upset about crap like that, because I'm not a sanctimonious biatch. I do, however, get upset when childless people suggest that I should never bring my child out in public because they *might* act out and remind said person that the world doesn't revolve around them. And I'm not talking fancy restaurants (haven't been to one of those in forever). But one day I took my toddler son to Long John Silver's. The place was completely empty, so we stayed to eat. Two enormous women came in as I was throwing our stuff away, and my son was singing a song. Those two cows started making comments very loudly about how they were *going* to eat there, but they couldn't because then they would have to listen to that "brat". It was all I could do to not tell those biatches off with "I wouldn't stay because I'd be afraid you'd eat my 'brat'". One of my husband's friends is a childless lawyer, and he was complaining that parents were always bringing their kids with them to his office. I said "Maybe if you worked past 4 pm in the afternoon, people wouldn't have to. Where are they supposed to find a babysitter at 10:30 am on a Thursday morning?" Same with doctors, mechanics, post offices, etc etc.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:56 AM

earthwirm: Onkel Buck: I know well enough to learn from others mistakes

I highly doubt that.


Then you would be mistaken, see I just learned something else. Never assume

/I dont like your farking cats either
 
2013-09-17 08:53:59 AM

Falstaff: Civchic: Slaxl: What about if we all make an agreement that until childless flights are a thing that you will all do your best to get on flights between 11am and 5pm. Everything out of those hours we can call adult friendly. Is that a fair compromise?

Only problem I see with that theory is that if you have to fly from the west coast of the US to the east coast and want to arrive at a quasi-decent hour for kids, you are taking off at 6amish.


It's a minor problem compared to another flight with a child screaming. Not excitedly talking, laughing, pointing things out, but screaming, wailing, thrashing, screeching, sticking a knife into my eardrums.
 
2013-09-17 08:56:07 AM
You're the only person who likes your kids, well you and the pervert at the park may take a shine to them as well
 
2013-09-17 08:56:57 AM

Doc Daneeka: +1000000 points for the blogger.


And then -10,000,000 points for being a sexist creationist antivaxxer, who never met a strawman he didn't like.
 
2013-09-17 08:58:31 AM
I dated a lady with 5 kids.
All boys.
All very young.
When they would start to get loud, she would say, "Don't be shrill"
She actually kept me around longer than I would have liked because she could handle all 5 at once.
Problem was, she was also handling more than 5 at once, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-09-17 09:00:19 AM
I've never pitched in the big leagues either, but I recognize a guy who can't find the strike zone when I see one.
 
2013-09-17 09:00:37 AM
It's usually hard to fault a parent when you see their child have a public tantrum... the first time.

Repeated public tantrums indicate a child unfamiliar with consequences.
 
2013-09-17 09:01:17 AM
I threw exactly one fit in public. My mom stopped what she was doing, bent me over her knee, spanked me, and then went on shopping. Everyone around me started laughing and clapping. I was mortified and clearly remember it even though I was just about four.

I grew up just fine. Embarrassment, shaming, and spanking are effective parenting techniques, but they have fallen "out" with new age parents. Now we have a generation of entitled little douchebags who can't handle rejection, think they are always special, and are mediocre. Yes, no spanking, time-outs, and bullshiat "achievment" awards have made our society so much better.
 
2013-09-17 09:02:04 AM

MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: MycroftHolmes: Albinoman: You don't have to be a good singer to know when someone is bombing a song. Similarly, I don't have to be a parent to know when someone is bad at it. I find it weird how someone becomes a parent and suddenly they're grafted with all this knowledge the childless obviously could never know, right? All those parents that claim to be above opinions and criticism forget that everyone the biggest idiots seems to be able to keep their children alive and by virtue of the fact that we all figure out parenting as an instinct (or we'd die out), they aren't really much more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

If a child throws a tantrum in public, you just need to look up at the shiatty, effete parents. That all being said, the large majority of parents and children aren't the problem.

A wise man knows how much he doesn't know.  An idiot is confident in his lack of knowledge.  I will let you guess which one you are.

Dated a woman for a long time with 4 kids (they were from 10 months to 9 years when we started). They'd listen to me and not her, probably had a lot to do with me actually playing with them and treating them like people instead of just screaming at them like she did. Never had to raise my voice, never touched them. I liked being their dad a lot more than being her boyfriend. While I certainly didn't get the whole parenting experience, I found it really is just an extension of your own personality. shiatty people make shiatty parents. Admittedly, being a patient and easy going really helps too.

So, since you made that statement while knowing nothing about me, which one does that make you?

Very nice.  You counter your original argument 'I don't have to be a parent to know a bad one' with a litany of your qualifications as a parent.  You realize that you pretty much undermined your own argument.

Also, as an uncle and occasional babysitter of friends kids, my experience indicates that there is a world of difference between having

to parent kids full time, and parent them only for small sprints in usually controlled circumstances.
And I made no statement about you.  Just made a declarative statement that I will stand by.  Sensitive much?


No, not at all. You made that statement after copying my post, who else would it be to? Your statement was to imply my lack of understanding of what it's like to be a parent. I've been there, she's now long gone and I'm still childless. I countered by basically saying you know nothing about me (like you thought I did about parenting), yet felt "confident" in saying I'm an idiot. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.
 
2013-09-17 09:02:08 AM
Slightly more realistically, the peanut gallery probably expects you to drop all of your groceries and immediately run into the parking lot, so as to save them from having to deal with the spectacle. But it's not always that simple;

Dear random internet guy;

It's exactly that simple.  Note how your car has child locks?

Step 1: "Hey, passerby, could you watch my cart a minute?"

Step 2: Put kid in car.  Crack windows.

Step 3: "I will back in 15 minutes, you'd better be quiet by then or we're going home."  Lock doors.

Step 4: Return to cart.  Check out.

Step 5: Kid still fussing?

y: Go home.  Shopping trip's over.  Make it clear to the kid  why the shopping trip is over.
n: Return to shopping.

Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science.  Any idiot can do it, many idiots  do do it, and statistically at least half those idiots are doing it better than you are.  Well, your kid is throwing fits in public without first suffering pain or injury, so let's be realistic: 9/10 of idiots are doing it better than you.

Sincerely,

One of the people that has to deal with the consequences of your poor decisions when they hit the education system
 
2013-09-17 09:04:34 AM

Jim_Callahan: Seriously, man, raising a kid is not rocket science. Any idiot can do it,


This has to be the funniest single thing I'll see today. You are simultaneously advocating locking children in the car alone, which in most states will get you a free wood shampoo on your way to the pokey, and boasting about your mad parenting skillz.

You are my new hero.
 
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