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2013-09-16 11:43:39 PM  
Australia Considering Nationwide Ban On Smoking By replacing Tobacco cigarettes with Electronic Cigarettes.  Where is your second hand vapor now, you intolerant, insufferable douche-bag busybody anti-everything that doesn't please you and  your kind!
 
2013-09-16 11:46:15 PM  
Society's oldest threat: assholes like that
 
2013-09-16 11:57:14 PM  
FTFA:
1. Because e-cigs mimic the look and rituals of conventional cigarette smoking, there is a danger that rather than e-cigs helping you quit, "you may just switch to this product and continue using it," Prokhorov said.

Though some e-cigs look vaguely like traditional smokes, most do not even come close.
Whether or not I use it to quite as intended or keep using it once I have eliminated all nicotine is irrelevant.  I would rather keep using mine for another 20 years than be dead in 5 if I continue to smoke tobacco cigs.

2. And since a smoker's dependence on nicotine remains, there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes.

See my last opinion.  It is my desire to quit, it is my goal and the e-cig has been highly helpful in achieving this so far, I don't give a shiat about this concern as this is MY farking choice.
 
2013-09-17 12:06:29 AM  
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2013-09-17 12:13:56 AM  

DanZero: [images.wikia.com image 319x188]


+1

*golf clap*
 
2013-09-17 12:16:48 AM  
So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
i.imgur.com

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Until this past week.

And as to the comparison with the success rates of the patch: in my experience, that is utter bullshiat. The patch is nothing like smoking, and did very little to help with my cravings both times I used it. I ended up ripping it off and buying a pack in about 3 days both times I tried the patch because I couldn't handle the cravings.

So - a big thanks to the Fark community, who has been totally awesome in sharing experience, suggestions, and knowledge around about the confusing world of e-cigs.

You guys rock.
 
2013-09-17 12:21:56 AM  
I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..
 
2013-09-17 12:23:33 AM  
Oh...basically what I was saying is that if you want to stop smoking, using a nicotine sub isn't the way. Cold Turkey is the best way.
 
2013-09-17 12:27:40 AM  
The need to make vapor hookahs.
 
2013-09-17 12:28:57 AM  

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


Coming up on two years for me

/I craved a cig worse after one year than I did after one week
//it's eased off now
///but I have considered an e-cig just because I like the nicotine buzz, but hate cigarette smoke
 
2013-09-17 12:29:14 AM  
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Yeah, it is this thread again. Someone's buying a lot of space in high-profile media properties to FUD e-cigs. The question is, why?

Spin the wheel, pick your business plan!

(1) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby clearing the way for Big Tobacco to protect the smoking business)
(2) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby bankrupting them or at least clearing the way for the Big Tobacco companies that don't already have a position in e-cigs, to pick up an e-cig manufacturer on the cheap, or to nullify the investment that their competitors, such as Lorillard, have made in e-cig manufacturers like Blu.)
(3) Big Puritanism is scared that its lifeline is drying up either way, and is willing to work with Big Tobacco on (1) through (3) inclusive to nip the problem in the bud...
(4) ...before Small Hemp gets into the action. (a new idea from the last one of these threads.)
(5) through (n), for double-digit values of n, we're all ears; there's probably a buck to be made here, the question is where?
 
2013-09-17 12:35:12 AM  
Wow, I hate cigarettes... I mean, I have my reasons and all and I don't apologize for such a strong reaction.  HATE.  So, that being said, this article is the biggest bunch of FUD I've read in a looong time.  If I didn't know better, I'd think it was written by the someone from one of the cigarette companies.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:11 AM  

panfried: 2. And since a smoker's dependence on nicotine remains, there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes.


I quit smoking over 2 years ago and have been using e-cigs since then. This summer, I got drunk at a bar and bummed a couple of cigarettes from someone. It was the nastiest thing I've ever tasted and I don't know how I ever started smoking in the first place.

Different people may react differently, but I've heard the same sort of thing from many people.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:25 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.
snipped for brevity ...


I'm glad it's working out for you... sounds like a very solid setup--way better than I started with!

In my town these days I see more e-cig users than real smokers. And it's gotten to the point where even the nonsmoking people are accustomed enough to them. The vaping people don't blow vapor in people's faces (except when people ask what flavor is that?) and the nonsmokers don't kvetch. It's quite pleasant.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:12 AM  
Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.
 
2013-09-17 12:46:27 AM  

optikeye: Oh...basically what I was saying is that if you want to stop smoking, using a nicotine sub isn't the way. Cold Turkey is the best way.


What works for you and what works for others can be completely different, and that can be okay.
 
2013-09-17 12:52:03 AM  

optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.


The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.
 
2013-09-17 01:01:53 AM  

new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.


The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.
 
2013-09-17 01:06:12 AM  

panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.


LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt
 
2013-09-17 01:13:48 AM  

panfried: panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.

LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt


Ah, the VG-only juices. I love the throat-hit from the PG, so that would drive me nuts. It seems like there are a ton of PG-free options out there now at least, which is good for people like your wife.
 
2013-09-17 01:16:16 AM  
snus
 
2013-09-17 01:31:43 AM  
All I can say is, my brother loves them and he's basically won the e-cig lottery with some of these daily deal websites that've had clearance prices on them lately.
 
2013-09-17 01:32:35 AM  
And I shouldn't say "loves" them, but these prices have been about half that of cheap tobacco, so he's happy.
 
2013-09-17 01:37:16 AM  
Well let me tell you, I saw "Reefer Madness" and I can tell you what kind of degenerate behavior this leads to.
 
2013-09-17 01:40:01 AM  
God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*
 
2013-09-17 01:40:45 AM  
Just built my first dual coil on a new RDA I got. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.


/csb
 
2013-09-17 01:43:25 AM  

panfried: panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.

LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt


Hey we don't judge.
/ Unless it's a beer snob thread. Then you must die.
 
2013-09-17 01:44:47 AM  
Biggest thing I have against eCigs is their choice of using Jenny McCarthy in an advertisement.
 
2013-09-17 01:45:31 AM  

log_jammin: snus


Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.
 
2013-09-17 01:47:36 AM  
I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.
 
2013-09-17 01:48:37 AM  
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I ordered a Zima, not emphysema!
 
2013-09-17 01:49:32 AM  

violentsalvation: God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*


I had one co worker practically go into anaphylactic shock. With weeping eyes, and coughing, and retching when I walk past her going to break with a cigarette in my hand.

Difficulty...the cig wasn't lit I just had it in my hand.

This was the 80's when you could indeed smoke inside, but just the Sight of a cig sent this person into major fits.

At this point it really isn't about smoking anymore.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:08 AM  
My father, a smoker for over 50 years, 2+ packs a day, diagnosed with COPD, and could not walk more than 100 yards without being winded. When he was hospitalized from a fractured pelvic bone, he went through withdrawal from high-dose nicotine. They gave him patches, Chantix, and when he finally got to go home, he went on an e-cig. That was 3 years ago.

Today - he is jogging a mile every morning. Not walking. Not stopping every 300 steps. He is joogging. His breathing has improved enough that he has been able to come off all of his medications. Spiriva, Advair, Albuterol inhalers, and jog for crying out loud!. Sure, he isn't fast, but he is doing a helluva lot better than he was even before he broke his pelvic bone.

So, to the article, a great big F-YOU. They can help people get better. Maybe not 100%, but he is far healthier now from switching to e-cigs than he was when he was on the Marlboros.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:09 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.


Just saw this. This is good news. Congratulations. Glad to see you got a good setup.
 
2013-09-17 01:51:25 AM  

panfried: Australia Considering Nationwide Ban On Smoking By replacing Tobacco cigarettes with Electronic Cigarettes.  Where is your second hand vapor now, you intolerant, insufferable douche-bag busybody anti-everything that doesn't please you and  your kind!


Done in one. Bravo
 
2013-09-17 01:53:31 AM  
That leads to the question: "Why would you use something that has not been tested when there is something [with] quality control and [that] has been tested?"

Clearly this person has no understand of breaking a habbit.  A large part of beating smoking is breaking the habbit of having something in your hand or something to do with your hands and wearing a patch doesn't fill that void.  That's partly why most people put on weight when they quit.
 
2013-09-17 01:54:01 AM  

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


The 72 hour thing is just when you PHYSICALLY are free. It will get better from there, I swear, but you need mental reinforcement.

Try Allen Carr.
 
2013-09-17 01:54:28 AM  
Non-smoker here - but is it just me, or did the article contain one bit of actual science (e-cigs are, on average, as good as the patch for quitting smoking) and then a bunch of unscientific negative comments about e-cigs?

Personally, I see e-cigs as an unmitigated boon, even if they just replace combustion-based cigarettes rather than being used for smoking cessation. As the article did manage to say, they convey a lot less other toxins for the same amount of nicotine - and although I've yet to see any research done on secondhand vapor's toxicity, it's certainly as much less toxic than secondary smoke as primary vapor is than primary smoke, and probably even less than that. The idea that secondary vapor is harmful enough to require regulation as a public health hazard, frankly, seems ludicrous to me unless and until there's some credible research proving that it is.
 
2013-09-17 01:55:21 AM  
Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date....


So what are you going to do with all that money you have left over? A pack a day? Just imagine how much you'll save now
 
2013-09-17 01:59:33 AM  

Mithiwithi: Non-smoker here - but is it just me, or did the article contain one bit of actual science (e-cigs are, on average, as good as the patch for quitting smoking) and then a bunch of unscientific negative comments about e-cigs?

Personally, I see e-cigs as an unmitigated boon, even if they just replace combustion-based cigarettes rather than being used for smoking cessation. As the article did manage to say, they convey a lot less other toxins for the same amount of nicotine - and although I've yet to see any research done on secondhand vapor's toxicity, it's certainly as much less toxic than secondary smoke as primary vapor is than primary smoke, and probably even less than that. The idea that secondary vapor is harmful enough to require regulation as a public health hazard, frankly, seems ludicrous to me unless and until there's some credible research proving that it is.


Here is the latest research that every new article ignores
http://antithrlies.com/2013/08/08/breaking-news-new-study-shows-no-r is k-from-e-cigarette-contaminants/
 
2013-09-17 02:02:42 AM  

violentsalvation: log_jammin: snus

Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.


I used snus to stop smoking. then gradually cut down on the nicotine content in my snus until it was the smallest amount available, then used the patch for two weeks to stop using snus. I haven't smoked in about 3 years and haven't used snus in about 2. without snus I have no doubt I'd still be smoking to this day.
 
2013-09-17 02:02:46 AM  
It's all about personal choice.

My preference are disposable e-cigs. I started using them two months ago and haven't even touched an actual cigarette since. Also I can actually go more than one day without the e-cig. So this article, even though it is from a respected publication, can shove it's FUD.
 
2013-09-17 02:05:56 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


There are a lot of people here that are very knowledgeable about ecigs, and you're probably going to get a ton of advice. You should check the thread I linked in my post above for a ton of good suggestions, too.

It might help people to know what you are looking for. Do you need something that you can use all day without refilling or recharging, or can you take time out to refill your ecig? Do you want something that looks and feels like a cigarette, or do you mind stepping up to a cigar sized setup?
 
2013-09-17 02:07:55 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Unti ...


Man, you started with a monster.  The commercial options now are much nicer than they were a year or two ago, when I bought a variable voltage mod that was based on a button making a washer make a physical connection between the contact points.  It worked great brand new, but the washer would oxidize over time, requiring me to have to take the whole thing apart, sand down the washer so that it would conduct, and then put it all together again.

As far as the 1 a day thing goes - just stop it.  You'll go through a day or three where you'll want that hit from actual burning tobacco, but it will be resistible because you're still getting the nicotine and the physical action of inhaling the vapor.

I went from a 2-pack a day habit to e-cig only and never looked back.  I breathe better, I smell better, and I've saved an assload of money.
 
2013-09-17 02:08:35 AM  

optikeye: violentsalvation: God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*

I had one co worker practically go into anaphylactic shock. With weeping eyes, and coughing, and retching when I walk past her going to break with a cigarette in my hand.

Difficulty...the cig wasn't lit I just had it in my hand.

This was the 80's when you could indeed smoke inside, but just the Sight of a cig sent this person into major fits.

At this point it really isn't about smoking anymore.


The agenda-driven stigma pisses me off to no end, and I've seen a bit of that permeate into the e-cig threads. But really these links just read like propaganda sponsored by big tobacco, and I think as e-cigs grow in popularity it will be interesting to see which researchers put their names behind this study or that. Everyone has a price, and until e-cigs are taxed just the same, and big T finds a way to profit from them, the lobbyists will write the narrative.
 
2013-09-17 02:08:49 AM  
I quit smoking 4 months ago. I used an ecig for about a week and a half to help mitigate my wanting to strangle people who annoyed me. After that 10 days I stopped altogether. Worked great for me and after only using it for a week and a half I started to prefer it over regular cigarettes because I could farking breath again. Every smoker should switch to ecigs IMO and articles like this discourage people from making a healthier choice for themselves and that's horribly farking irresponsible.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:41 AM  
Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

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Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.
 
2013-09-17 02:12:45 AM  

spaten: Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

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Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.


*blink*
 
2013-09-17 02:14:04 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


I was overwhelmed by all the suggestions and really put off by all the hipster talk regarding the e-cig, so I went with a trial starter kit (real cheap as I was skeptical) from "thevaporroom.net", it came with all I needed to learn and experience, the order process was informative and the results where convincing. YRMV, but I doubt it. Good luck
 
2013-09-17 02:15:11 AM  
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but some of the cardiovascular damage caused by cigarette smoking is caused by nicotine, and will occur no matter how you ingest it.  Cardiovascular damage and high cholesterol is setting yourself up for a heart attack or stroke, so please mitigate your risk factors accordingly.

That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people.  It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.

/I know you secretly want people to smell your farts, you horrible person you
 
2013-09-17 02:16:30 AM  
I thought you were supposed to use those to quit, not just to suck on a different imaginary dick.

/my dick sucking days are done
//quit cold turkey, like a real man
 
2013-09-17 02:17:31 AM  

spaten: Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 273x185]

Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.


So, I've been wanting to know, and now seems like an opportune time to ask, what is it like taking "bath salts"?
 
2013-09-17 02:17:44 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


There are a ton of options.  My personal recommendations are to go this way:

Get a couple Joyetech 510 extended life batteries combined with a pack of low resistance single horizontal coil cartimizers, a drip tip, and some high strenght (24mg nicotine) e-juice, as close to 100% PG as you can get.  That will give you an easily refillable, economical, and effective solution that's only a bit larger than a 100mm cigarette, and is easy to slip in your pocket on the go.

For home use get a Vivi Nova starter kit, a set of spare 1.8 ohm replacement cores, a spacer piece, and a couple Joyetech eGo-T 1000mah batteries.  That set up is quite a bit larger than the 510, but each battery lasts longer, it doesn't need to be filled as often, and the atomizer cores last longer.  It's not as convenient on the go, but it's nice to have for home use.

Total cost will run you around $150 or so for the hardware, and then expect to spend another $30-$50 on juice (depending on how much you buy, $30 worth lasts me about a month).

It's more up front than the disposables, but the hardware will last a long time, and just having to buy juice instead of disposables will end up saving you a good bit of money in the long term.
 
2013-09-17 02:19:06 AM  

Great Justice: /I know you secretly want people to smell your farts, you horrible person you


You got me.
 
2013-09-17 02:19:13 AM  
I quit smoking at the beginning of this year by gradually reducing the number of cigs I smoked per day. I started at 10 a day, then next week limited myself to 9, next week 8, and so on. Overall it worked very well for me; the last 3 weeks were pretty tough but I've not smoked one cigarette since I quit.

Problem is, most of my coworkers still smoke and we get a TON of work done on smoke breaks, so I still go out with them even though I don't smoke. I recently picked up a vaporizer and a couple bottles of nicotine-free juice... and it's AWESOME. I get nearly the full smoking experience, minus all of the chemicals.

Breaking the physical habit is no joke, and there's really no shortcut for that. But breaking the mental habit is arguably even more difficult, in its own way, and the nicotine-free juice goes a long way towards alleviating the cravings without risking the nicotine addiction again.
 
2013-09-17 02:21:01 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: I thought you were supposed to use those to quit, not just to suck on a different imaginary dick.

/my dick sucking days are done
//quit cold turkey, like a real man


There's more than one reason to use them.  Perhaps you want to continue to smoke, but don't want to smoke all the other crap that comes in cigarettes.  Or you want to continue to smoke, but have felt like the second-hand smoke kept you from being able to socialize at times.  Perhaps you don't like smelling like smoke or maybe you simply like the flavors of the e-cigs.  That they're an effective cessation tool is great, but different strokes and all that.
 
2013-09-17 02:21:51 AM  

log_jammin: violentsalvation: log_jammin: snus

Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.

I used snus to stop smoking. then gradually cut down on the nicotine content in my snus until it was the smallest amount available, then used the patch for two weeks to stop using snus. I haven't smoked in about 3 years and haven't used snus in about 2. without snus I have no doubt I'd still be smoking to this day.


Ah, congrats. I want to quit smoking but I like the nicotine, dammit.
 
2013-09-17 02:22:13 AM  

Great Justice: Not to rain on everyone's parade, but some of the cardiovascular damage caused by cigarette smoking is caused by nicotine, and will occur no matter how you ingest it.  Cardiovascular damage and high cholesterol is setting yourself up for a heart attack or stroke, so please mitigate your risk factors accordingly.

That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people.  It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.

/I know you secretly want people to smell your farts, you horrible person you


I live for the day that I have perfected a ripened flatulious cloud to release on the masses, so don't even think you can advise the pleasure away from me, suffer minion and endure the gasses I release upon thee, for you shall know not who dealt it. Only that you must deal with it!
 
2013-09-17 02:25:41 AM  
I had a couple a friends who joined AA to quit drinking. They both smoked two packs a day, bragging that it was their "only addiction". Addictive personalities will always find something to be addicted to.

/I never smoked, but my liver sends me hate-mail.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:53 AM  

Cheater71: So what are you going to do with all that money you have left over? A pack a day? Just imagine how much you'll save now


Not quite saving yet. But once you do the math, its friggin shocking.

I invested about $200 in the mod, 2 18650 batteries, a deluxe charger, 2 tanks and a couple of weeks worth of juice.

At my corner store, my brand of cigs are $6.80 a pack.

So my startup costs will be paid for in only 30 days of not smoking, and I'm a week in already!

There are billboards around here that say "with the amount of money you spend on cigarettes a year, you could buy a boat." Maybe I'll buy a boat....
 
2013-09-17 02:28:11 AM  
This study was brought to you by SCIENTISTS!  yes, Scientists: "Credibility, Schmedibility, gimmie my research grant"

/Science is dead, people.  Remember that the next time you mock someone for having faith in religion over science.  THIS is the kind of crap science puts out these days.
 
2013-09-17 02:28:25 AM  

timujin: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I thought you were supposed to use those to quit, not just to suck on a different imaginary dick.

/my dick sucking days are done
//quit cold turkey, like a real man

There's more than one reason to use them.  Perhaps you want to continue to smoke, but don't want to smoke all the other crap that comes in cigarettes.  Or you want to continue to smoke, but have felt like the second-hand smoke kept you from being able to socialize at times.  Perhaps you don't like smelling like smoke or maybe you simply like the flavors of the e-cigs.  That they're an effective cessation tool is great, but different strokes and all that.


Or, perhaps, you like sucking on a little dick.
 
2013-09-17 02:30:15 AM  
What you guys need to do is switch to e-dip. I recommend snus for the initiate.
 
2013-09-17 02:30:43 AM  
E-cigarettes are for losers any way.
 
2013-09-17 02:31:27 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: timujin: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I thought you were supposed to use those to quit, not just to suck on a different imaginary dick.

/my dick sucking days are done
//quit cold turkey, like a real man

There's more than one reason to use them.  Perhaps you want to continue to smoke, but don't want to smoke all the other crap that comes in cigarettes.  Or you want to continue to smoke, but have felt like the second-hand smoke kept you from being able to socialize at times.  Perhaps you don't like smelling like smoke or maybe you simply like the flavors of the e-cigs.  That they're an effective cessation tool is great, but different strokes and all that.

Or, perhaps, you like sucking on a little dick.


Well, sure, but only because I don't like cigarettes.
 
2013-09-17 02:31:53 AM  

Elegy: Cheater71: So what are you going to do with all that money you have left over? A pack a day? Just imagine how much you'll save now

Not quite saving yet. But once you do the math, its friggin shocking.

I invested about $200 in the mod, 2 18650 batteries, a deluxe charger, 2 tanks and a couple of weeks worth of juice.

At my corner store, my brand of cigs are $6.80 a pack.

So my startup costs will be paid for in only 30 days of not smoking, and I'm a week in already!

There are billboards around here that say "with the amount of money you spend on cigarettes a year, you could buy a boat." Maybe I'll buy a boat....


If you smoke a pack a day, even at $7 a pack its only like $2500 per year. That's a shiatty boat. Maybe a nice canoe or kayak...
 
2013-09-17 02:32:28 AM  

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


You seem to have completely missed one of the key features of switching to an ecigarette.  You don't have to deal with the overwhelming craving.  You get your nicotine fix without all those nasty cancer features.  Then you start dialing down the dose until you hit zero.

So trying to show off about what a big farking man you are because you quite cold turkey.   You are probably going to fail because you still have that craving and you'll go buy a pack and start up smoking full blast again.  Someone who's gone the ecigarette route falter, but they will most likely use their ecigarette when they do have a bad day.  The difference is, you'll be back to smoking your coffin nails while the other guy will just dial it down and easily quit.
 
2013-09-17 02:32:34 AM  
Heh.
 
2013-09-17 02:32:58 AM  

spaten: Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 273x185]

Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-17 02:33:30 AM  
violentsalvation:Ah, congrats. I want to quit smoking but I like the nicotine, dammit.

I did too. but it's so nice to not have to worry about having enough nicotine(in whatever form) with you all the time.
 
2013-09-17 02:34:33 AM  
there isn't even credible research on second hand smoke!
 
2013-09-17 02:34:46 AM  

debug: Elegy: Cheater71: So what are you going to do with all that money you have left over? A pack a day? Just imagine how much you'll save now

Not quite saving yet. But once you do the math, its friggin shocking.

I invested about $200 in the mod, 2 18650 batteries, a deluxe charger, 2 tanks and a couple of weeks worth of juice.

At my corner store, my brand of cigs are $6.80 a pack.

So my startup costs will be paid for in only 30 days of not smoking, and I'm a week in already!

There are billboards around here that say "with the amount of money you spend on cigarettes a year, you could buy a boat." Maybe I'll buy a boat....

If you smoke a pack a day, even at $7 a pack its only like $2500 per year. That's a shiatty boat. Maybe a nice canoe or kayak...


shiat man, when I first started smoking, smokes where .35 a pack and I swore I'd quit if they ever hit a buck a pack.. has a major sad over the money I burned
 
2013-09-17 02:34:49 AM  

OgreMagi: You are probably going to fail


Nope. 3 years clean.
 
2013-09-17 02:34:54 AM  

mikewadestr: E-cigarettes are for losers any way.


"X is for losers" is like the T-ball field of trolling.
 
2013-09-17 02:37:14 AM  

I sound fat: This study was brought to you by SCIENTISTS!  yes, Scientists: "Credibility, Schmedibility, gimmie my research grant"

/Science is dead, people.  Remember that the next time you mock someone for having faith in religion over science.  THIS is the kind of crap science puts out these days.


As I posted earlier, the only actual science in this article is actually pretty good news for e-cigs (namely, they work about as well as patches if you are trying to quit) and all the anti-e-cig stuff is unscientific blather, even if some of it might come from the lips of people who do science for their day job.
 
2013-09-17 02:40:12 AM  

Great Justice: That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people. It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.


Why don't you biatch about coffee and tea while you're at it, since an ecigarette is not much different from steam.  Hey, let's not forget exhaling.  Do you know what's in that crap people exhale constantly from that horribly polluting action called breating?

Also, go fark yourself.

/I had curry for lunch today.  And I sat in the work area, too.
 
2013-09-17 02:41:15 AM  

timujin: spaten: Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 273x185]

Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.

So, I've been wanting to know, and now seems like an opportune time to ask, what is it like taking "bath salts"?


Reading the history of Woodrow Wilson and how he screwed up this country. No Bath salts involved. Teatoatlating Fascist shiathead.

It's the shiat Orwell and Huxley warned about, after his death. Burroughs hated Wilson and the 1914 narcotics act.

Progressive=Stateist Totoalitarian

I have seen it first hand in California.
 
2013-09-17 02:41:25 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Man, you started with a monster.


When I added up all of the things I wanted in an ecig: big enough battery and tank to go all day without having to stop and refill/recharge when I'm craving or away from home, and variable voltage so I can dial in the vapor, I pretty much had to go with a mod. I spent more than I initially budgeted, but I've been totally happy with it thus far and I don't mind the size.

The commercial options now are much nicer than they were a year or two ago, when I bought a variable voltage mod that was based on a button making a washer make a physical connection between the contact points. It worked great brand new, but the washer would oxidize over time, requiring me to have to take the whole thing apart, sand down the washer so that it would conduct, and then put it all together again.

So many options its bewildering to a new user, but a little guidance from fark and some research went a long way.

As far as the 1 a day thing goes - just stop it. You'll go through a day or three where you'll want that hit from actual burning tobacco, but it will be resistible because you're still getting the nicotine and the physical action of inhaling the vapor.

Yeah, I'm planning on stopping that in the next couple of days but since I went ahead and stepped down my nicotine intake when I switched to the ecig, its been hard to get to sleep. That one cigarette right before bed satiates me enough that I can drop right off...
 
2013-09-17 02:41:29 AM  
If I may be hateful for a moment, everyone who thinks they know better than someone else should take a big step back and consider how they're lives would be dictated by someone else. I would have them sleeping in til' noon(pleasant, to be honest) and spend the rest of the day reading things that get them very angry. When they DO step away for a big of a breather it's a vibrating butt-plug in their unmentionables because that's my MOS.

Live your own life, stop trying to change someone else's.
 
2013-09-17 02:42:36 AM  

log_jammin: violentsalvation: log_jammin: snus

Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.

I used snus to stop smoking. then gradually cut down on the nicotine content in my snus until it was the smallest amount available, then used the patch for two weeks to stop using snus. I haven't smoked in about 3 years and haven't used snus in about 2. without snus I have no doubt I'd still be smoking to this day.


Congrats.

Im currently using dip (Copenhagen Black) to get over urge to smoke..then wanna use snus to get off dip then quit.

The withdrawls are terrible...dumbest thing i EVER did.
 
2013-09-17 02:42:50 AM  
This thread has gone afoul of its intended scope.  Aww screw it, I'll be outside smoking a Marlboro red.
 
2013-09-17 02:45:33 AM  

panfried: Great Justice: Not to rain on everyone's parade, but some of the cardiovascular damage caused by cigarette smoking is caused by nicotine, and will occur no matter how you ingest it.  Cardiovascular damage and high cholesterol is setting yourself up for a heart attack or stroke, so please mitigate your risk factors accordingly.

That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people.  It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.

/I know you secretly want people to smell your farts, you horrible person you

I live for the day that I have perfected a ripened flatulious cloud to release on the masses, so don't even think you can advise the pleasure away from me, suffer minion and endure the gasses I release upon thee, for you shall know not who dealt it. Only that you must deal with it!


U would suffer MY wrath should i partake of cabbage, wench. For the stench I exude would hang for a fortnight and surely taketh the breath from your lungs.

/No one lighteth a match.
 
2013-09-17 02:47:13 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: OgreMagi: You are probably going to fail

Nope. 3 years clean.


If you are still having cravings, you will fail one day.  It will probably take a major incident, but it will happen.  I once quit cold turkey.  Fought the urges that popped up.  Thought I was good.  Then the 1989 earthquake hit.  Friends of mine were driving a route at the time that took them on one of the freeways that collapsed.  The stress was too much.  I had to have a smoke.  Actually, I had to chain smoke until I found out they were safe, but by then the damage was done.  I was back to square one.
 
2013-09-17 02:48:17 AM  
There's a vibrating butt plug MOS these days? Must be a Navy thing.
 
2013-09-17 02:50:56 AM  
I smoke cigars and I like to hang out on the balcony of my local pub (it's an upstairs setup) and smoke a couple on Fridays with a decent scotch.  Up until last year I would get the occasional evil eye or once in a great while the outright asshole who believed I should not smoke because they don't.  Now, I'm surrounded by the ''omg! e-cigarettes are the best! You should really try them" cult, whom I wouldn't mind if every member of the cult didn't feel the need to tell me personally.  No, what kills me are those outright assholes.  They now feel empowered to push their antismoking agenda on me.  The evil eye is out, and pushy mouthyness is in.  Fortunately cigars produce copious amounts of smoke.  The point of my story?  E-cigarettes can suck my smoke.
 
2013-09-17 02:51:12 AM  

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


*solemn head nod* I agree completely. I've been 'quitting' smoking for a long time. As of right now, it's been about a month since I've smoked and it was not easy. As for e-cigarettes? To each their own. I was smoking a pack of Marlboro's a day and the e-cig was like baby town central. It just did not cut it. A lot of my friends switched to e-cigs and they helped them quit but for me I would have just been smoking cigarettes and one of those if I'd bought one.

Now, is the vapor dangerous? Fark no. And Fark anyone who says it is because that's outrageous, overzealous BS.
 
2013-09-17 02:52:35 AM  
National Geographic? WTF?
 
2013-09-17 02:52:39 AM  

debug: If you smoke a pack a day, even at $7 a pack its only like $2500 per year. That's a shiatty boat. Maybe a nice canoe or kayak...


To be fair, the pic on the billboard was a john boat, so that's within reason.
 
2013-09-17 02:54:38 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Congrats.

Im currently using dip (Copenhagen Black) to get over urge to smoke..then wanna use snus to get off dip then quit.

The withdrawls are terrible...dumbest thing i EVER did.


get the real swedish stuff. not the crap made by camel or marlboro. it's not even close to the real thing.

but teh main reason to get the swedish stuff is it tells you EXACTLY how much nicotine is in it. that way it's much much easier to start cuttng back.
 
2013-09-17 02:56:50 AM  

Torqueknot: I smoke cigars and I like to hang out on the balcony of my local pub (it's an upstairs setup) and smoke a couple on Fridays with a decent scotch.  Up until last year I would get the occasional evil eye or once in a great while the outright asshole who believed I should not smoke because they don't.  Now, I'm surrounded by the ''omg! e-cigarettes are the best! You should really try them" cult, whom I wouldn't mind if every member of the cult didn't feel the need to tell me personally.  No, what kills me are those outright assholes.  They now feel empowered to push their antismoking agenda on me.  The evil eye is out, and pushy mouthyness is in.  Fortunately cigars produce copious amounts of smoke.  The point of my story?  E-cigarettes can suck my smoke.


I've always thought of cigars differently than cigarettes.  People don't typically smoke cigars to fuel a nicotine addiction, they do it for the flavor and the ceremony.

I've never been a huge fan of cigars, but maybe I just bought shiatty ones.  Still, cigar and pipe smoke has a pleasant aroma compared to cigarette smoke.  If someone's giving you a hard time about smoking a cigar on the balcony of a pub, you should suggest somewhere they might shove one, lit end first.
 
2013-09-17 03:01:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Torqueknot: I smoke cigars and I like to hang out on the balcony of my local pub (it's an upstairs setup) and smoke a couple on Fridays with a decent scotch.  Up until last year I would get the occasional evil eye or once in a great while the outright asshole who believed I should not smoke because they don't.  Now, I'm surrounded by the ''omg! e-cigarettes are the best! You should really try them" cult, whom I wouldn't mind if every member of the cult didn't feel the need to tell me personally.  No, what kills me are those outright assholes.  They now feel empowered to push their antismoking agenda on me.  The evil eye is out, and pushy mouthyness is in.  Fortunately cigars produce copious amounts of smoke.  The point of my story?  E-cigarettes can suck my smoke.

I've always thought of cigars differently than cigarettes.  People don't typically smoke cigars to fuel a nicotine addiction, they do it for the flavor and the ceremony.

I've never been a huge fan of cigars, but maybe I just bought shiatty ones.  Still, cigar and pipe smoke has a pleasant aroma compared to cigarette smoke.  If someone's giving you a hard time about smoking a cigar on the balcony of a pub, you should suggest somewhere they might shove one, lit end first.


There's a cigar shop not too far that also has a backyard patio for smoking and lounging.  They also sell single malt and port by the shot.  I love that place though I only have a cigar every few months.  I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the anti-smoking assholes try to get the backyard turned into a designated no smoking area.  Because that's what assholes do.
 
2013-09-17 03:03:22 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: log_jammin: violentsalvation: log_jammin: snus

Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.

I used snus to stop smoking. then gradually cut down on the nicotine content in my snus until it was the smallest amount available, then used the patch for two weeks to stop using snus. I haven't smoked in about 3 years and haven't used snus in about 2. without snus I have no doubt I'd still be smoking to this day.

Congrats.

Im currently using dip (Copenhagen Black) to get over urge to smoke..then wanna use snus to get off dip then quit.

The withdrawls are terrible...dumbest thing i EVER did.


Oh man did you go about that wrong. I went the other way because OW my gums. But holy fark is dip ever addictive. And Copenhagen tastes so damn good, quit that shiat while you still have teeth. If I have to I can go days without smoking, and I actually have, not while trying to quit. And I'm down to 5 or 6 smokes a day, sometimes the first one is at 8pm. But dip is like fish hooks, it tears your mouth up, and its hard as hell to shake.
 
2013-09-17 03:06:37 AM  
Nicotine patches are bullshiat. Ever try to keep one lit? Unpossible.
 
2013-09-17 03:08:13 AM  

Torqueknot: I smoke cigars and I like to hang out on the balcony of my local pub (it's an upstairs setup) and smoke a couple on Fridays with a decent scotch.  Up until last year I would get the occasional evil eye or once in a great while the outright asshole who believed I should not smoke because they don't.  Now, I'm surrounded by the ''omg! e-cigarettes are the best! You should really try them" cult, whom I wouldn't mind if every member of the cult didn't feel the need to tell me personally.  No, what kills me are those outright assholes.  They now feel empowered to push their antismoking agenda on me.  The evil eye is out, and pushy mouthyness is in.  Fortunately cigars produce copious amounts of smoke.  The point of my story?  E-cigarettes can suck my smoke.


Do you wear a Fedora while at the pub by chance?
 
2013-09-17 03:25:12 AM  
Any suggestions for a good starter kit using the premade screw on tips? Honestly I'm just interested in something that will hold a charge and last a reasonable amount of time between refills. Maybe ill get into a more advanced set up and mixing my own juice, etc one day but right now I'd just be interested in ease of use. So far my only foray into ecigs are disposable njoys. I like them well enough but they don't last near long enough to justify the $8 a piece price tag.
 
2013-09-17 03:25:51 AM  
I am currently campaigning against being forced to breathe second-hand air.....
 
2013-09-17 03:26:48 AM  
rrrr1165.staging-cloud.netregistry.net
 
2013-09-17 03:29:55 AM  

optikeye: Oh...basically what I was saying is that if you want to stop smoking, using a nicotine sub isn't the way. Cold Turkey is the best way.


If you swap smoking for vaping then you have quit smoking. The only thing they have in common is nicotene which on it's own is relatively harmlesd.
 
2013-09-17 03:31:16 AM  

b-ham: I quit smoking at the beginning of this year by gradually reducing the number of cigs I smoked per day. I started at 10 a day, then next week limited myself to 9, next week 8, and so on. Overall it worked very well for me; the last 3 weeks were pretty tough but I've not smoked one cigarette since I quit.

Problem is, most of my coworkers still smoke and we get a TON of work done on smoke breaks, so I still go out with them even though I don't smoke. I recently picked up a vaporizer and a couple bottles of nicotine-free juice... and it's AWESOME. I get nearly the full smoking experience, minus all of the chemicals.

Breaking the physical habit is no joke, and there's really no shortcut for that. But breaking the mental habit is arguably even more difficult, in its own way, and the nicotine-free juice goes a long way towards alleviating the cravings without risking the nicotine addiction again.


so you quit in march?
 
2013-09-17 03:42:01 AM  
It just so happens that this became an issue at work this morning.

I work on board a vessel in the Gulf of Mexico where a few of the guys use the Ecig. They issued a policy statement indicating that the use of Ecigs on board will not be allowed, and must be used in the designated smoking areas. Dudes are PISSED. I don't blame them really. I couldn't care less if they smoke them, but some dude complained and there you have it.

I just don't see why they would have to go to the designated smoking area. That seems counter-intuitive given that the Ecig is an aid to smoking cessation. Standing next to another dude smoking the real thing would make one crave actual cigarettes, I would imagine.

If it were me, I'd ignore the policy and just go to the can and have a few puffs. Who's going to know anyways?

There are too many RULES, MAAN.
 
2013-09-17 03:43:03 AM  
Dear god, someone is doing something of which I disapprove and there's no way for me to show my disapproval in a physical way which will allow me to force that person to stop their behavior so as to accommodate me!

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!
 
2013-09-17 03:46:30 AM  
Horsesh*t, petunia piss and a lobbyist in a pear tree.
 
2013-09-17 03:58:44 AM  

Elegy: Yeah, I'm planning on stopping that in the next couple of days but since I went ahead and stepped down my nicotine intake when I switched to the ecig, its been hard to get to sleep. That one cigarette right before bed satiates me enough that I can drop right off...


Instead of that 'one cigarette' get a bottle of higher nic juice and use that before bed.
 
2013-09-17 04:00:45 AM  

johntonia: It just so happens that this became an issue at work this morning.

I work on board a vessel in the Gulf of Mexico where a few of the guys use the Ecig. They issued a policy statement indicating that the use of Ecigs on board will not be allowed, and must be used in the designated smoking areas. Dudes are PISSED. I don't blame them really. I couldn't care less if they smoke them, but some dude complained and there you have it.

I just don't see why they would have to go to the designated smoking area. That seems counter-intuitive given that the Ecig is an aid to smoking cessation. Standing next to another dude smoking the real thing would make one crave actual cigarettes, I would imagine.

If it were me, I'd ignore the policy and just go to the can and have a few puffs. Who's going to know anyways?

There are too many RULES, MAAN.


That's why I don't work on boats.  They took all of the fun and romance out of it.
 
2013-09-17 04:10:15 AM  
As a smoker with a 40+ year habit, I was just told that I MUST quit smoking for some fairly serious circulation issues. I went to a no nicotine ecig and haven't had any nicotine for 3 weeks now. This is the first time that I have been able to quit smoking cigarettes for this long out of the many MANY times I have tried. Gum didn't work, made me sick to my stomach. Patches didn't work, gave me bad skin reactions. I have already noticed that I go longer between uses of the ecig than I ever did between cigarettes.

Works for me anyway.
 
2013-09-17 04:13:26 AM  
Just make sure the liquid they sell for the e-cigs is on the up-and-up and you have my full approval.

Smokers get their nicotine fix and nonsmokers don't have to deal with the air particles. Win/win for everyone involved.
 
2013-09-17 04:21:38 AM  

Twilight Farkle: Yeah, it is this thread again. Someone's buying a lot of space in high-profile media properties to FUD e-cigs. The question is, why?

Spin the wheel, pick your business plan!

(1) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby clearing the way for Big Tobacco to protect the smoking business)
(2) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby bankrupting them or at least clearing the way for the Big Tobacco companies that don't already have a position in e-cigs, to pick up an e-cig manufacturer on the cheap, or to nullify the investment that their competitors, such as Lorillard, have made in e-cig manufacturers like Blu.)
(3) Big Puritanism is scared that its lifeline is drying up either way, and is willing to work with Big Tobacco on (1) through (3) inclusive to nip the problem in the bud...
(4) ...before Small Hemp gets into the action. (a new idea from the last one of these threads.)
(5) through (n), for double-digit values of n, we're all ears; there's probably a buck to be made here, the question is where?


If big tobacco had any sense they would realise that there is a fortune to be made selling e-juice.
 
2013-09-17 04:45:34 AM  
Flavour e-liquids really help... don't stick with one or two flavours, it's like anything else, your brain gets bored of it. I've been using my e-cig pretty much for just over a year. I do not want a real cig or roll up - those things STINK.
Just last week, I found a shop selling cheaper e-liquids. I don't think he heard me right when I asked about the flavours and to be honest, 3 bottles for £5? I wasn't going to just turn my nose up at the variety. It wasn't until I got home that I realised 'ut oh, coca cola flavour?' I'd also picked up 'tobacco' flavour and 'tobacco mint' (to be fair, the mint one is nice) so I decided to bite the bullet and try the coca cola liquid. It was like angels dancing, it was incredible and before the week had ended, so too had most of the cola flavour.... so I did a little mixing. I mixed the remaining cola with vanilla and topped it off with some of the tobacco flavour.
That's another pure joy of an e-cig. You can mix the flavours.
I know there's a brandy flavour e-liquid out there, easy enough to mix with a little cola flavour, right? there's so many to choose from and so many combinations... I certainly am not bored of mixing! I would be bored if I stuck to the same flavours all the time.
My mum is now realising that it's cheaper too... she's got COPD and been told to quit. With cigs here getting close to £6.50 (and more) per pack, the e-liquids are cheaper.
She was doing well earlier this year, but she somehow fell off the wagon a bit. Considering she's 75 next birthday, she's embraced the e-cig with the typical enthusiasm I expect from a woman her age and has got three - and she's still smoking. Her friend and neighbour has been diagnosed as possibly having cancer - and it may be terminal. I told my mum not to use her friends condition to make her own worse.
On the upside, the whole e-cig thing has been that the friends doctor said 'keep using the e-cig'. This friend gets her first chemo treatment today and has been told that lighting up after chemo is not the done thing as she may not want to and with an e-cig, there's no real fire worries.
The whole deal is, I wouldn't accept the offer of tobacco/smoking produce now. I have an e-cig and I have flavour and absolutely nothing smells.
 
2013-09-17 04:47:20 AM  
I think banning cigarettes for e-cigs would be a start but e-cigs themselves are horribly unregulated. Most of the advertising and point of sales rules of tobacco products should be applied to e-cigs just as vigorously. It is after all an extremely addictive substance and regardless of it being (in all probability) safer than a normal cigarette it should be for smoking cessation, and not pitched as some sexy lifestyle thing.
 
2013-09-17 04:54:01 AM  
With this obvious BigCig hit-piece on e-cigs, perhaps National Geographic should change their name to Nationalist Geographic.
 
2013-09-17 04:57:30 AM  
Without reading the whole thread I think an important point often goes overlooked in this discussion.

Even if e-cigs are just as unhealthy and badly smelly as real cigarettes, which I don't think they are, but even if they were they are not something to smoke in perpetuity, like cigarettes. They are a stepping stone towards quitting.
 
2013-09-17 05:17:37 AM  
That article was a real adventure in fear-mongering.

Let's recap the negatives:
"There is still so much that is unknown "
"Nicotine .... it can be a poisonous substance"
"there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes "
" "most people who use e-cigarettes also continue to use regular cigarettes; they are dual users. That means they are  probably suffering all the risks from smoking."

The one comment that stuck out as a definite statement...
" "There is no question that e-cigarettes deliver less toxins than conventional cigarettes"

Most of my friends have switched from "analogs" (as they call old-fashioned cigs) to "e-cigs", I have gone from bumming a couple smokes whilst drunk to bumming a couple vapes.

I understand that more research needs to be done, but shut your pie hole and do the research before whining about "unknowns".  Also,  anytime I read the word "gateway" with regards to any sort of drug use... I know an article has jumped the shark.
 
2013-09-17 05:48:43 AM  
As has been said, the article is derp. I would not be surprised to learn there are indeed harmful substances in e-cigs, but they've got to have a hell of a lot fewer than real tobacco smoke.

I smoked 1 to 2 packs a day for about 40 years. Started e-cigs about 4 months ago and haven't looked back. Any urges for a real cigarette are quickly handled with a few hits from the e-cig. I've had an open pack of smokes in my car since I quit, and with one exception* I've not touched them. I'm saving a metric buttload of money. An $8 bottle of juice lasts at least two weeks. (Hard for me to tell, because I rotate between several tanks with different flavors.) I no longer wheeze when I go to sleep at night. My car no longer stinks. I can "smoke" in my apartment now. And I'm starting to cut back the nicotine amount. (Side benefit, with less nicotine, the flavors are more intense.)

* A few weeks ago I went out to a casino for the evening and realized I'd left my e-cigs at home. I ended up smoking three real cigs from the pack I had in my car. Probably didn't help that they were stale, but they tasted like shiat and I was very happy to get back home to my peach and raspberry e-juice.
 
2013-09-17 05:50:16 AM  
It is all about fear and control. Both exercised by the same group of people.
They use their own fear to control others.
 
2013-09-17 06:02:18 AM  
They'll end up saying e-cigs cause global warming or cooling or attract asteroids.
 
2013-09-17 06:04:20 AM  

violentsalvation: optikeye: violentsalvation: God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*

I had one co worker practically go into anaphylactic shock. With weeping eyes, and coughing, and retching when I walk past her going to break with a cigarette in my hand.

Difficulty...the cig wasn't lit I just had it in my hand.

This was the 80's when you could indeed smoke inside, but just the Sight of a cig sent this person into major fits.

At this point it really isn't about smoking anymore.

The agenda-driven stigma pisses me off to no end, and I've seen a bit of that permeate into the e-cig threads. But really these links just read like propaganda sponsored by big tobacco, and I think as e-cigs grow in popularity it will be interesting to see which researchers put their names behind this study or that. Everyone has a price, and until e-cigs are taxed just the same, and big T finds a way to profit from them, the lobbyists will write the narrative.


Spot on, bigfella.
 
2013-09-17 06:06:01 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Unti ...


if it's your intent to quit, just farking quit. stop farking yourself around. stop masturbating your addiction.

it's not that tough. i smoked from age 12 until age 38. 1-2 packs a day. i tried 3 times to quit using patches. one morning almost 3 years ago i just quit.

best thing i ever did. no more fiddling with non-sticking patches, no more sneaking smokes cause i didn't smoke all day. i just stopped. it didn't kill me. i didn't try to kill anyone. my wife & kids didn't leave me.

//just saying.
//if you're gonna quit. QUIT.
 
2013-09-17 06:13:20 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Unti ...

~
~
Your teenie eenie foot scares me.
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-17 06:55:55 AM  

Torqueknot: I smoke cigars and I like to hang out on the balcony of my local pub (it's an upstairs setup) and smoke a couple on Fridays with a decent scotch.  Up until last year I would get the occasional evil eye or once in a great while the outright asshole who believed I should not smoke because they don't.  Now, I'm surrounded by the ''omg! e-cigarettes are the best! You should really try them" cult, whom I wouldn't mind if every member of the cult didn't feel the need to tell me personally.  No, what kills me are those outright assholes.  They now feel empowered to push their antismoking agenda on me.  The evil eye is out, and pushy mouthyness is in.  Fortunately cigars produce copious amounts of smoke.  The point of my story?  E-cigarettes can suck my smoke.


People might not mind if cigars didn't smell like shiat, especially those cheap grape cigarellos you buy.
 
2013-09-17 07:00:23 AM  
Cigarette smoke makes me wheeze. Ecig vapors makes me sneeze.
 
2013-09-17 07:01:14 AM  

Sonderling: If I may be hateful for a moment, everyone who thinks they know better than someone else should take a big step back and consider how they're lives would be dictated by someone else. I would have them sleeping in til' noon(pleasant, to be honest) and spend the rest of the day reading things that get them very angry. When they DO step away for a big of a breather it's a vibrating butt-plug in their unmentionables because that's my MOS.

Live your own life, stop trying to change someone else's.


Exactly!  You all complained about my cigarettes, and I've been only smoking e-cigs for 14 months now...  So now I get to hear complaints about that...  Or other peoples' lifestyle, or the music in the car next to you, or your neighbor's curtain color choices, or any other butt-hurt "offense" that bothers you...
And then when you bring your crying/tired/cranky children to bars/airplanes/restaurants and we make comments or give dirty looks...  OH SNAP... you are all over the interwebs about how horrible people are...

/STFU
//Your sh*t stinks too
///America, F*ck Yeah!
 
2013-09-17 07:04:43 AM  
TFA: Stanton Glanz - yeah the whole article is bullshiat. This grubby little fascist is trotted out every time they need a "scientist" to preach on the evils of smoking... firsthand, secondhand, thirdhand, or whatever the new manufactured 'Fear Of The Day' is.

I don't really think this is a "Big Tobacco" hit piece at all. This is more the puritanical nazis trying to put a stop to something they find repugnant - people having fun in a way they disapprove of.
 
2013-09-17 07:08:36 AM  
"We're going to hound you until you quit smoking!"

*chooses a method of quitting that resembles smoking*

"Whoa what the f*ck!?!?! We wanted you to quit THIS way!"
 
2013-09-17 07:18:04 AM  

Empty H: Biggest thing I have against eCigs is their choice of using Jenny McCarthy in an advertisement.


When studies decide e-cigs cause autism you'll be for it.
 
2013-09-17 07:20:03 AM  
Nothing needs regulation more than other peoples bad habits.
 
2013-09-17 07:22:59 AM  
E-cigs are a relatively safe way to stop smoking the real ones, so mark my words a ban will be concocted.

E-cigs piss off the Puritans (i.e. Stanton Glantz and his fellow Nazis)
E-cigs piss off the government (lost tax revenue! for some states a LOT of revenue)
E-cigs piss off Big Pharma (lost revenue from gum, patches, pills, COPD treatments, cancer treatments, etc)

Watch for a ban soon.
 
2013-09-17 07:25:06 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..

Coming up on two years for me

/I craved a cig worse after one year than I did after one week
//it's eased off now
///but I have considered an e-cig just because I like the nicotine buzz, but hate cigarette smoke


You two make me feel lucky. I quit last Easter. I still get cravings but they are easy as pie to deal with. I did slip about a month ago and bummed a smoke from a friend. It was so nasty I don't think I will ever try it again. The pleasure of smoking is simply not there anymore and I finally feel free.

/30 year ex-smoker
 
2013-09-17 07:25:16 AM  

jenlen: E-cigs are a relatively safe way to stop smoking the real ones, so mark my words a ban will be concocted.

E-cigs piss off the Puritans (i.e. Stanton Glantz and his fellow Nazis)
E-cigs piss off the government (lost tax revenue! for some states a LOT of revenue)
E-cigs piss off Big Pharma (lost revenue from gum, patches, pills, COPD treatments, cancer treatments, etc)

Watch for a ban soon.


That's the big one right there. They've already lost a lot of money from people quitting.
 
2013-09-17 07:38:00 AM  
I'm more worried about the second hand vapor from the folks eating at Taco Bell.
 
2013-09-17 08:00:54 AM  
Is anyone selling e-cig charges filled with hash oil yet?
 
2013-09-17 08:01:10 AM  

optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.


For the past 2 1/2 years I've been using tobacco-flavored e-cigs and my wife is using menthol e-cigs. We just went on a week-long road trip and I did notice that in the confined space of the car I was picking up a scent of what smelled like vanilla when she was using it.

Go figure.
 
2013-09-17 08:49:33 AM  
"Big Tobacco"
Yeah, those guys just control everything!
 
2013-09-17 09:00:17 AM  

timujin: There's more than one reason to use them.


I used to smoke about a pack a week of either Sherman Hint of Mints, or Georges Andron & Sons Virginia Superiors(best tasting cigarettes I've ever had), and I only smoked during winter. I had quit for more than a year, never intending to smoke again. But I missed it. A friend let me borrow his passthrough and I liked it. I now make my own juice and coils, so I know I'm vaping. I like it and it isn't hurting anyone else, and barely hurting me.
 
2013-09-17 09:01:10 AM  

doubled99: "Big Tobacco"
Yeah, those guys just control everything!


They control the lobbying groups they are paying to lobby against e-cigs. Oh, and John Boehner.
 
2013-09-17 09:01:49 AM  

Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 580x480]

Yeah, it is this thread again. Someone's buying a lot of space in high-profile media properties to FUD e-cigs. The question is, why?

Spin the wheel, pick your business plan!

(1) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby clearing the way for Big Tobacco to protect the smoking business)
(2) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby bankrupting them or at least clearing the way for the Big Tobacco companies that don't already have a position in e-cigs, to pick up an e-cig manufacturer on the cheap, or to nullify the investment that their competitors, such as Lorillard, have made in e-cig manufacturers like Blu.)
(3) Big Puritanism is scared that its lifeline is drying up either way, and is willing to work with Big Tobacco on (1) through (3) inclusive to nip the problem in the bud...
(4) ...before Small Hemp gets into the action. (a new idea from the last one of these threads.)
(5) through (n), for double-digit values of n, we're all ears; there's probably a buck to be made here, the question is where?


Oh, it already has. In a most totally awesome way.  :P

/Loves my e-cig
//loves that dudes honey oil vaporizer more
 
2013-09-17 09:10:42 AM  

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Unti ...


Good for you!  I'm happy you found something that works well for your situation.  The ZMAX has worked well for me for the past 4 months.  If I find myself with some extra cash this winter I might upgrade to a ProVari which is the same basic mod just built better.  Then my wife can take over the ZMAX and we won't have to constantly be passing the thing back and forth.

I've heard good things about the Kanger ProTank, may have to pick one up soon and give it a try.
 
2013-09-17 09:12:46 AM  
After the last e-cig thread, I went out and picked up this starter kit:
cdn1.bigcommerce.com

My initial worry was that I'd break it/set it on fire/destroy it somehow. I work at a shipyard, and spend most of my time in a fall harness welding overhead in a rain of metal and slag. So far so good! This Thursday will be the third week I've gone without a cigarette, and I honestly don't miss them. I bummed a single drag about two weeks ago, and it was distasteful, whether it was mental or physical reaction I'm not sure. I still will sit outside at break with the smokers, but that's mostly for the camaraderie and conversation. Can't quite bring myself to just vape away inside the lunch room or inside my home (that's also due to having a couple of 5 month old twin boys gracing my life now). Gotta extend my thanks to all contributors in these threads who gave me the impetus to change. I can smell and taste much better now, and I think this will help me stick around for my boys longer than if I were still a smoker.
 
2013-09-17 09:16:30 AM  
Oh, and panfried,not sure if I even thanked you for that month of TF back when I found out we were having twins, so here's a big thankee sai from me to you.
 
2013-09-17 09:19:29 AM  
I missed the first e-cigs thread, so I'm behind there. I just wanted to throw in my 0.02. As far as I am concerned, switching from regular to cigarettes to electronics ones does not equal quitting smoking. Nicotine ingestion is nicotine ingestion. That said, I've full hard quit smoking thrice. 1) Found out I was pregnant (as soon as the kid popped out tho I was wheelchaired outside for a smoke). 2) Had a family member in the hospital for a long time, and did not want to go in all gross smelling. Stayed off for close to 3 years. 3) Paid $20 for 2 packs and got less than $10 back. That break lasted close to 7 years. But any bad habit has it's sneaky ways of tripping one up. So I re-picked up around April of last year. But they're still expensive, and it doesn't matter if I chew gum or brush my teeth, the smell is in my clothes, skin, hair, etc. So I decided to try the blus (those huge vaping things look too drug oriented for me). It was a slow transition. It took me 3 months to stop bumming the occasional paper cig. Now I've adjusted to the slight difference in feeling, and am ok with that. However, due to people's tendencies to fake cough or give dirty looks, I do not "smoke" in any restaurant, movie theater, elevator, subway, or if I see a kid walking towards me, and I do so by choice.

I've gone over two cents, so I'll wrap up with this - What with mass shootings on US soil, and do we or do we not get involved in Syria, is what people do with their health really anybody's business?
 
2013-09-17 09:21:11 AM  
This thread: cigarette smokers pretending they aren't complete drains on society who enjoy harming those around them.
 
2013-09-17 09:24:28 AM  

Mitch Mitchell: johntonia: It just so happens that this became an issue at work this morning.

I work on board a vessel in the Gulf of Mexico where a few of the guys use the Ecig. They issued a policy statement indicating that the use of Ecigs on board will not be allowed, and must be used in the designated smoking areas. Dudes are PISSED. I don't blame them really. I couldn't care less if they smoke them, but some dude complained and there you have it.

I just don't see why they would have to go to the designated smoking area. That seems counter-intuitive given that the Ecig is an aid to smoking cessation. Standing next to another dude smoking the real thing would make one crave actual cigarettes, I would imagine.

If it were me, I'd ignore the policy and just go to the can and have a few puffs. Who's going to know anyways?

There are too many RULES, MAAN.

That's why I don't work on boats.  They took all of the fun and romance out of it.


This is horse shiat..  A lot of companies are setting the policy of forcing the use pf vaporizers i designated smoking areas.. to this I say,  LAWSUIT!  What give an employer or anyone the authority/right to mandate that a class be subject to the smoke/second hand smoke, that, by their choice to use vaporizers, are the same harmful elements that they are trying to rid themselves of.

No you will not be allowed to get away from cancer causing tobacco smoke. oh, you have a vaporizer?  To the "gas chamber" if you wish to use it.

That is about as productive as making recovering alcoholics drink coffee/water only in a bar, a nic gum user only chew it next to an active smoker.

How about someone with a smoking related illness only allowed to receive treatment in designated smoking areas..  Makes sense.
 
2013-09-17 09:24:50 AM  

OgreMagi: Great Justice: That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people. It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.

Why don't you biatch about coffee and tea while you're at it, since an ecigarette is not much different from steam.  Hey, let's not forget exhaling.  Do you know what's in that crap people exhale constantly from that horribly polluting action called breating?

Also, go fark yourself.

/I had curry for lunch today.  And I sat in the work area, too.


Have I hit a nerve?  Do you suffer from social anxiety in regard to your personal bodily odors or breath?  Or I am being trolled, in the name of your right to annoy others by stinking?

No way to be sure, so I will say this: if you don't avoid annoying the people you interact with every day, you will inevitably suffer social consequences.  I don't care if ecigs stink or not, if other people don't want you to do it in their presence you shouldn't do it.  How hard is common courtesy?
 
2013-09-17 09:38:12 AM  

croesius: After the last e-cig thread, I went out and picked up this starter kit:
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My initial worry was that I'd break it/set it on fire/destroy it somehow. I work at a shipyard, and spend most of my time in a fall harness welding overhead in a rain of metal and slag. So far so good! This Thursday will be the third week I've gone without a cigarette, and I honestly don't miss them. I bummed a single drag about two weeks ago, and it was distasteful, whether it was mental or physical reaction I'm not sure. I still will sit outside at break with the smokers, but that's mostly for the camaraderie and conversation. Can't quite bring myself to just vape away inside the lunch room or inside my home (that's also due to having a couple of 5 month old twin boys gracing my life now). Gotta extend my thanks to all contributors in these threads who gave me the impetus to change. I can smell and taste much better now, and I think this will help me stick around for my boys longer than if I were still a smoker.


definitely keep that thing in some kind of container, if you're going to be welding with it in your pocket. I'd hate to see what red-hot slag would do to a battery...

/loved vaping in welding shop while everybody else had to go outside and stand in the cold to smoke. :P
 
2013-09-17 09:47:59 AM  

Hz so good: croesius: After the last e-cig thread, I went out and picked up this starter kit:
[cdn1.bigcommerce.com image 587x641]

My initial worry was that I'd break it/set it on fire/destroy it somehow. I work at a shipyard, and spend most of my time in a fall harness welding overhead in a rain of metal and slag. So far so good! This Thursday will be the third week I've gone without a cigarette, and I honestly don't miss them. I bummed a single drag about two weeks ago, and it was distasteful, whether it was mental or physical reaction I'm not sure. I still will sit outside at break with the smokers, but that's mostly for the camaraderie and conversation. Can't quite bring myself to just vape away inside the lunch room or inside my home (that's also due to having a couple of 5 month old twin boys gracing my life now). Gotta extend my thanks to all contributors in these threads who gave me the impetus to change. I can smell and taste much better now, and I think this will help me stick around for my boys longer than if I were still a smoker.

definitely keep that thing in some kind of container, if you're going to be welding with it in your pocket. I'd hate to see what red-hot slag would do to a battery...

/loved vaping in welding shop while everybody else had to go outside and stand in the cold to smoke. :P


I generally keep it in my tool bucket, using a cut-off finger from a welding glove as a sheath for it when I'm actively working. I could see myself bending wrong or nailing it on a scaffolding easily.
 
2013-09-17 09:54:57 AM  

croesius: Hz so good: croesius: After the last e-cig thread, I went out and picked up this starter kit:
[cdn1.bigcommerce.com image 587x641]

My initial worry was that I'd break it/set it on fire/destroy it somehow. I work at a shipyard, and spend most of my time in a fall harness welding overhead in a rain of metal and slag. So far so good! This Thursday will be the third week I've gone without a cigarette, and I honestly don't miss them. I bummed a single drag about two weeks ago, and it was distasteful, whether it was mental or physical reaction I'm not sure. I still will sit outside at break with the smokers, but that's mostly for the camaraderie and conversation. Can't quite bring myself to just vape away inside the lunch room or inside my home (that's also due to having a couple of 5 month old twin boys gracing my life now). Gotta extend my thanks to all contributors in these threads who gave me the impetus to change. I can smell and taste much better now, and I think this will help me stick around for my boys longer than if I were still a smoker.

definitely keep that thing in some kind of container, if you're going to be welding with it in your pocket. I'd hate to see what red-hot slag would do to a battery...

/loved vaping in welding shop while everybody else had to go outside and stand in the cold to smoke. :P

I generally keep it in my tool bucket, using a cut-off finger from a welding glove as a sheath for it when I'm actively working. I could see myself bending wrong or nailing it on a scaffolding easily.


Good man. I had a chunk of slag burn into my pocket, and luckily had moved to e-cig from there moments earlier. Catastrophic failure would've occurred, and that wouldn't be any fun.
 
2013-09-17 10:31:03 AM  
TFA: Their visibility is becoming ever greater as well, with television and online marketing campaigns that feature celebrities like Jenny McCarthy and Stephen Dorff touting the pleasures of what they describe as more socially acceptable, "guilt-free" smoking.

STEPHEN DORFF IS NOT A CELEBRITY!
 
2013-09-17 10:43:03 AM  
I have never smoked but I am interested in an e-cig.

I took a few puffs of my friend's e-cig before she lost it and I really liked it. I can't handle direct smoke.

Any recommendations?
 
2013-09-17 10:51:19 AM  
Every e-cig smoker I have met has tossed out regular cigarettes after only a day or two. Never suffered withdraw and cant believe they didnt switch over sooner.

This article is absolutely pulling shiat out of its ass.
 
2013-09-17 10:56:11 AM  

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


THIS. I quit for four years about 25 years ago. It was the most miserable four years of my life. THe cravings NEVER stopped.
 
2013-09-17 11:08:38 AM  
it's really quite simple..

everyone has a right to enjoy a public space in its unpolluted state and it's unfair to spoil it for those around you for your own selfish needs

includes but no limited to excessive noise, smoke, vapor, gas, noise, and body odor
 
2013-09-17 11:13:47 AM  
MURDER!www.moldychum.com
 
2013-09-17 11:15:16 AM  
I switched to e-cig 6 months ago and weaned myself off nicotine, using 0mg.
I use my e-cig just because I like the sensation of smoking. Not because I have to.

/Oh I really like not coughing/puking and the shiatty feeling I had smoking.
 
jvl
2013-09-17 11:20:51 AM  
Keep you chems out of my air and we're good. Feel free to have those e-cigs anywhere you would smoke a regular cigarette.

This should be obvious. But e-cigs cause retardation in the user and California is now forced to pass a law making e-cig users behave.
 
2013-09-17 11:24:52 AM  

shortymac: I have never smoked but I am interested in an e-cig.

I took a few puffs of my friend's e-cig before she lost it and I really liked it. I can't handle direct smoke.

Any recommendations?


If you just want something to puff on, get an eGo battery ($25) and charger ($5), with a Kranger Mini Protank 2 ($15) and some nicotine free juice ($5 for 10ml, buy 2 or 3 to start). Buy a couple of extra atomizer heads while you're at it - they come in different ohm values, the lower the ohms the more vapor the head will produce. All of the parts are reusable, so all you will need is more juice.

You can get the eGo batteries upgraded with different options. A USB pass-through battery allows you to use the battery while charging using a standard USB cord. A variable voltage battery allows you change the amount of voltage given to the atomizer head, which allows you to adjust the amount of vapor produced. More mAh means a longer battery life, but the battery will be bigger.

I used these guys and everything shipped the same day. Customer service was good, too. The tank I ordered arrived broken in the box and they shipped a replacement the same day I notified them.

/look at me giving advice like a pro
//did a mountain of research before I purchased
///spreadsheets!
 
2013-09-17 11:31:40 AM  
Had my ticket scanned at disney a few years ago and as soon as I walked in I realized I left my smokes at the hotel. I lasted 3 hours. Swore I wouldn't make that mistake again. Had my ticket scanned 2 years ago and made the same mistake. Went to bum one in a smoking area and the guy offered to sell me a pack... I gave him 10 or 20 bucks. Lasted all day.I managed to quit cold turkey for a month with allen carrs how to quit smoking. Great book. Day 30 was way worse than day 7...and I lit up. Been smoking since.I want to quit. Thanks for all the tech info on building a nice unit. I will start shopping around this evening. Are any juices using ethyl glycol?
 
2013-09-17 11:44:28 AM  

WTFDYW: optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..

THIS. I quit for four years about 25 years ago. It was the most miserable four years of my life. THe cravings NEVER stopped.


That was my biggest fear when I started to quit. Fortunately the cravings did stop. If you have a defective gene or something that keeps the cravings alive then you really do have my most sincere sympathies, as that must be horrible. If on the other hand I have the defective gene that allowed the cravings to stop then perhaps I should donate myself to science.
 
2013-09-17 11:46:20 AM  

kg2095:
If big tobacco had any sense they would realise that there is a fortune to be made selling e-juice.


I agree, and it's part of what makes this story fascinating from a business perspective. Lorillard saw the potential and bought Blu, but why haven't the other e-cig manufacturers either been bought out by the other tobacco companies pre-IPO, or gone public so as to have a big cash hoard to spend on aggressively taking market share from smoke-based nicotine delivery systems? If the players in this market are rapidly growing revenue via word-of-mouth, why waste a dime on traditional marketing?

I suppose that's a question best left to the management of the private equity funds that have invested in them; maybe word-of-mouth marketing is enough at this stage, and the exits via IPO or pre-IPO takeover will come later.
 
2013-09-17 12:01:59 PM  

Hella Fark: it's really quite simple..

everyone has a right to enjoy a public space in its unpolluted state and it's unfair to spoil it for those around you for your own selfish needs

includes but no limited to excessive noise, smoke, vapor, gas, noise, and body odor


I see you will be taking the side of the purists in the coming war. Know that the naturalists underground will fight these indignities every step of the way from our side of the chromium fence.

/obscure?
 
2013-09-17 12:10:09 PM  

Twilight Farkle: kg2095:
If big tobacco had any sense they would realise that there is a fortune to be made selling e-juice.

I agree, and it's part of what makes this story fascinating from a business perspective. Lorillard saw the potential and bought Blu, but why haven't the other e-cig manufacturers either been bought out by the other tobacco companies pre-IPO, or gone public so as to have a big cash hoard to spend on aggressively taking market share from smoke-based nicotine delivery systems? If the players in this market are rapidly growing revenue via word-of-mouth, why waste a dime on traditional marketing?

I suppose that's a question best left to the management of the private equity funds that have invested in them; maybe word-of-mouth marketing is enough at this stage, and the exits via IPO or pre-IPO takeover will come later.


My personal opinion is that they've wanted to fly under the radar as much as possible for as long as possible, and for the most part that has worked well. Most people are buying their supplies from smallish internet retailers (and there are a LOT of them out there) and locally owned shops rather than from the big guys, and it's worked out well. It also makes it a bit tougher to put a ban hammer on, just because of the number of small retailers out there.

I started using my E-Go almost 2 years ago...had one episode where I tried a regular cigarette at a party this summer...it was nasty and I threw it into the fire, and that's after 23 years of a pack plus per day habit. I can taste and I can breathe again, and I will be seriously pissed if I have to give them up because 'stop liking what I don't like' is being paraded around by puritans as science.
 
2013-09-17 12:21:25 PM  
There is zero harm from second hand vapor.

Let me reiterate that because the NIMBY harpies are shrieking too damn loudly: THERE IS ZERO HARM FROM SECOND-HAND VAPOR.

ivaqs.com (Indoor Vapor Air Quality Study)
clearstream.flavourart.it (Clearstream Study)

Fark the harpies.  21 year smoker, yet 3 years smoke-free when nothing else worked and, feelin' farkin' great.  Yeah, I still vape. Fark you, my choice.  You want to force everyone to give up nicotine?  Force everyone to give up caffeine, too, because that's exactly as big a "demon" as you paint nicotine to be.  We'll see what kind of reception you get to that.

/The ignorant should not be given positions of power over that which they are ignorant about.
 
2013-09-17 12:33:52 PM  
e-cigarettes will save thousands, perhaps millions, of lives.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/277484/war-e-cigarettes-jeff-s t ier
http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/22/the-public-health-case-for-ele

It turns out that nicotine is not nearly as addictive when it's not being inhaled with tobacco smoke. Not to mention all the carcinogens that aren't there, either. Oh, and it costs a lot less than tobacco cigarettes.
 
2013-09-17 12:48:31 PM  

Loadmaster: e-cigarettes will save thousands, perhaps millions, of lives.

• http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/277484/war-e-cigarettes-jeff-s t ier
• http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/22/the-public-health-case-for-ele

It turns out that nicotine is not nearly as addictive when it's not being inhaled with tobacco smoke. Not to mention all the carcinogens that aren't there, either. Oh, and it costs a lot less than tobacco cigarettes.


/this

After smoking for over 20 years I decided to pick up a real e-cig not the BS ones from the corner store. I got an ego-c pass through 1000 with a vivi-nova 3.5ml tank. I put down the coffin nails after having this thing a week. That was almost a month ago and I'm loving it.
 
2013-09-17 12:49:56 PM  

Loadmaster: e-cigarettes will save thousands, perhaps millions, of lives.

• http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/277484/war-e-cigarettes-jeff-s t ier
• http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/22/the-public-health-case-for-ele

It turns out that nicotine is not nearly as addictive when it's not being inhaled with tobacco smoke. Not to mention all the carcinogens that aren't there, either. Oh, and it costs a lot less than tobacco cigarettes.


Yup.  Thissity this this.

Two of the minor tobacco alkaloids are anatabine and anabasine.  Anatabine and anabasine are MAOIs.  MAOIs are brain candy.  They make you feel good.  When co-administered with nicotine they make your brain feel even better, and your brain just wants MOAR BRAIN CANDY.  E-liquid only contains nicotine, no other tobacco alkaloids.  (You can buy whole tobacco alkaloid juice if you want, but there are only maybe two or three companies that make it, and it's not recommended unless regular E-juice can't get you off the cancer sticks no matter what you try.)  So the level of addictiveness drops quite a bit when you're just taking nicotine in isolation like that, making it easier to wean yourself off if that's your goal.

And if it isn't, well, you're not doing yourself particularly much harm; nicotine in and of itself is relatively benign, though not healthy by any means.  It just became the convenient scapegoat of the anti-smoking crusaders to scare people off them and now, sadly, is suffering the consequences of that demonization now that it's capable of being deilvered in a manner that's about as save as can be done.
 
2013-09-17 01:24:24 PM  
Psychopusher:
/The ignorant should not be given positions of power over that which they are ignorant about.

Please stay on topic. This is about smoking/vapeing, not local school boards.
 
2013-09-17 01:33:54 PM  
What the pants-pissers don't understand is that the ability to use an e-cig anywhere is a big part of disrupting the habit. Once I could take a puff or two at my desk or in the bar, I didn't ever have to smoke because it was time to smoke (driving to work, after a meal). Also, no longer having to smoke an entire cigarette, but being able to take a couple of puffs...

My successful cessation plan: During the winter, I bought an e-cig and a pack of real ones and used both. When the real ones were gone, I didn't buy anymore. I stepped down almost immediately to a 6mg cartridge. It took about two years before I lost interest in the e-cig.

And if you make the assertion that the vapor is harmful, it's up to you to provide evidence before you start legislating bans.
 
2013-09-17 02:23:12 PM  
I smoked cigarettes for 18 years... Switched to an e-cig, like a Blu but different brand name, from the local mall. After a week I was smoking butts again. Did a little looking online, ended up with an Ego Express kit (650 MAH battery with C4 clearomizer) and some different bottles of juice- lemon, mint, orange, and Red Bull, plus some standard tobacco flavors.

I have not had a real cigarette in over a month. I still get my nicotine but the smell is gone and my breathing is better. I'm even smoking less, without even trying- for example, I like a drag when I wake up in the morning, but with a cigarette once you light it you end up smoking the whole thing. With an e-cig you can take 1 or 2 puffs and then put it away.

The problem I've seen with these studies is that the main risks they keep mentioning is that if you don't get used to e-cigs and go back to cigarettes or if you smoke both there are health issues. Well duh, that is to be expected. What about a study that ONLY goes over the toxicity of e-cigs? That would be helpful!
 
2013-09-17 03:09:35 PM  

Strobeguy: I switched to e-cig 6 months ago and weaned myself off nicotine, using 0mg.



0mg? I would have guessed WTF.
 
2013-09-17 03:09:36 PM  

Elegy: Cheater71:
At my corner store, my brand of cigs are $6.80 a pack.


If cigs were that cheap I would never quit...  $14.32 a PACK here in Canada! Couple that with the COLD winter and my smoking becomes a commitment rather than a habit!
I am reading all these comments in hopes that e-cigs might be a usable crutch to get me through the first few months of quitting.
 
2013-09-17 03:20:48 PM  

Mithiwithi: Non-smoker here - but is it just me, or did the article contain one bit of actual science (e-cigs are, on average, as good as the patch for quitting smoking) and then a bunch of unscientific negative comments about e-cigs?

Personally, I see e-cigs as an unmitigated boon, even if they just replace combustion-based cigarettes rather than being used for smoking cessation. As the article did manage to say, they convey a lot less other toxins for the same amount of nicotine - and although I've yet to see any research done on secondhand vapor's toxicity, it's certainly as much less toxic than secondary smoke as primary vapor is than primary smoke, and probably even less than that. The idea that secondary vapor is harmful enough to require regulation as a public health hazard, frankly, seems ludicrous to me unless and until there's some credible research proving that it is.


Ask and you shall receive:

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/m s0 8.pdf

 "Exposures of bystanders...pose no apparent concern."

The threshold limit values of predicted exposure to propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine found in vaping are less than 1%.

Propylene Glycol is found in everything from air fresheners to shampoos--your daily exposure is about a hundred times or more what you'd be exposed to from vaping--your own or someone else's.

Propylene glycol is an approved substabce, as is vegetable glycerine--by the FDA for use in food and drugs, by the way, and the use of it in vape liquids is pharmaceutical grade.

Article is just another tobacco lobby hatchet piece.
 
2013-09-17 03:22:04 PM  

Netropolis: Elegy: Cheater71:
At my corner store, my brand of cigs are $6.80 a pack.

If cigs were that cheap I would never quit...  $14.32 a PACK here in Canada! Couple that with the COLD winter and my smoking becomes a commitment rather than a habit!
I am reading all these comments in hopes that e-cigs might be a usable crutch to get me through the first few months of quitting.


Drop me an E-Mail at vaporchase1 AT gmail.com and I can hook you up with where to get some good quality stuff in Canada.  I do YouTube reviews (2 years running now) and maintain vendor lists for Canada as well.
 
2013-09-17 03:27:27 PM  

Aigoo: Article is just another tobacco lobby hatchet piece.


That ain't the tobacco lobby; they want in on E-cigs too, they'd just prefer to own the market and shut out the little guys by backing heavy-handed and expensive regulation that they can afford and others can't.  These hit pieces are all Big Pharma.  They're the ones with the show poodle in the pitbull fight.  All those NRT products and potentially dangerous quit-smoking meds like Chantix are putt to sobbing shame by the efficacy of E-cigs, so Big Pharma wants to shut them down completely.
 
2013-09-17 03:58:09 PM  

Slaxl: WTFDYW: optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..

THIS. I quit for four years about 25 years ago. It was the most miserable four years of my life. THe cravings NEVER stopped.

That was my biggest fear when I started to quit. Fortunately the cravings did stop. If you have a defective gene or something that keeps the cravings alive then you really do have my most sincere sympathies, as that must be horrible. If on the other hand I have the defective gene that allowed the cravings to stop then perhaps I should donate myself to science.


After four + years, I couldn't take it anymore and started back up. Been at it ever since.

/do my smoking by myself though
 
2013-09-17 04:09:17 PM  
The very first line of the article says :
"Electronic cigarettes may produce an aerosol vapor instead of smoke, but two new studies raise burning questions about their uses and risks."

So I go to the OED.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/aerosol

aerosol
noun
a substance enclosed under pressure and able to be released as a fine spray, typically by means of a propellant gas.


One line, and they are already lying.  There is no "pressure" and there is no "propellant gas".  Just some farking idiot who hasn't done even the most basic research telling a bunch of lies.  I'll read the rest of the article, and the thread here, but the author is a moran with an agenda and no moral issues with lying.

All of this "Second hand vapign could be harmful" crap would be more believable if they could show at least one person with long term issues due to vaping.  Even first hand, there is no evidence of that danger, much less due to second hand vaping.  The asshole writing the article has probably never even seen anyone vape in person.
 
2013-09-17 04:29:11 PM  
Another reason to hate liberals so very much. First, banning cigarettes, then banning "e-cigs". What next? Suing McDonald's because people who VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE to eat there are fat?

Nah, even liberals couldn't be THAT stupid and evil.
 
2013-09-17 05:26:31 PM  

Elegy: So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.


I'm glad it's working for you.  I'd recommend that you think about backup plans.  Make sure you have easy access to another battery, or a charger, or both.  Inside that Kanger Protank there is a small atomizer which will eventually die (usually with little or no warning) and you'll want to have a spare available, etc.  Right now, you say that your battery lasts you through the day, but after you've had it for six months, it isn't going to last as long.

I wouldn't worry much about the one-cig-a-day you are still smoking.  I think those will sort of go away on their own without you working hard at it, and smoking no more often than that, they aren't hurting you much.

Cutting down on your nic level a little at a time is pretty easy.  I've been vaping about 2 years, and I'm nic free.  I had expected it to be easy to set the whole thing aside once I wasn't using nic, but that didn't work out.  I haven't given up on the plan, and haven't worked very hard to stop vaping simply because vaping isn't nearly as expensive as smoking was and doesn't have the health issues.  But at this point I am addicted to vaping, and I'd like to not be addicted, so I expect to make at least one strong try at setting the whole thing aside.

panfried: Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.


I'm a big fan of Boba's Bounty and other juices by Alien Visions, and most of their juices (maybe all?) are VG only, no PG.

http://www.avejuice.com/index.php


Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here. Does it really help? I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt. Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative? I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


It works for some people, but not for everyone.  I was a heavy smoker, 3 packs a day for 30+ years.  Vaping has been wonderful for me.  There is a learning curve.  It is not the same as smoking.  No matter what they tell you, ejuice will never taste like a real cigarette.  Vaping will only help if you really want to quit smoking. 

I recommend avoiding anything that is the size of a cigarette.  The more it looks like a cigarette, the less likely it is to do a good job.  A good vaporizer needs more room to store juice and a bigger battery, so if it is the size of a cig, it probably sucks.  But that's just my opinion.  There are a lot of people that like the small cig-sized e-cigs and don't like the bigger PV's.

The coughing is common when people start.  If you inhale vapor the same way you do a cig, you'll cough.  Instead, take the vapor in your mouth first, then inhale.  It's more the way you would inhale while smoking a cigar.  It's easy to get used to it once you do it a bit.

Finding the right nicotine level is critical.  You don't want too much nicotine, but you have to have enough nic or you'll be dying for a cig.  Once you have the right nic level and a flavor you like, you are half way there.

Personally, I'd recommend starting off with pretty much any variable voltage device, even the low end ones like the ego Twist.  (I'm using a Vision Spinner 1300, which is just a bigger version of the Ego Twist batteries.)  Add a kanger protank, juice you like, and you are good to go.  If you look around on ECF, you'll find a ton of opinions, all different, and every one if them is right, because people like different things.

There is a learning curve.  The second best place to go with your questions is ECF.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com

The *best* place to go for advice is a local vape shop.  The location-specific section of ECF may be able to help you find a local shop.
 
2013-09-17 05:27:28 PM  

Psychopusher: Aigoo: Article is just another tobacco lobby hatchet piece.

That ain't the tobacco lobby; they want in on E-cigs too, they'd just prefer to own the market and shut out the little guys by backing heavy-handed and expensive regulation that they can afford and others can't.  These hit pieces are all Big Pharma.  They're the ones with the show poodle in the pitbull fight.  All those NRT products and potentially dangerous quit-smoking meds like Chantix are putt to sobbing shame by the efficacy of E-cigs, so Big Pharma wants to shut them down completely.


Problem is, you let the tobacco lobby in on it, and suddenly, you've got everything and the kitchen sink in that shiat. Right now, my juice has nicotine, USP grade propylene glycol, USP grade vegetable glycerine, and flavoring in it. That's it.

Research studies indicate that when you inhale, the vast majority (we're talking something in the range of 99.7-ish percent, give or take) of nicotine is absorbed by the lungs. And there are numerous studies indicating that nicotine on its own is beneficial and useful for treating neurological disorders such as alzheimer's, Parkinson's, brain injury, and other issues. So the "omg nicotine! Save the children, elderly, and sick people!" argument goes out the window. When you exhale a vape, you're exhaling scented steam (if you use a flavor--my favorite is apple cinnamon) that is lower in strength than the shiat you spray at home or than the shiat hospitals spray (and much lower in strength than your Scentsy or Scentsy knockoff). My highly asthmatic roommate who is allergic to farking everything doesn't mind my vaping in the house, even in the same room (just not in the car because the cloud of steam in a closed space is too much for her, which I understand) and actually likes the scent--but when I still smoked, I had to change my shirt every time I came back in the house or risk aggravating her asthma.

Seriously, let the tobacco companies get involved and you'll have the same arsenic, formaldehyde, and 498 other carcinogens that are in tobacco cigarettes they produce in vapes, and I don't know about the rest of you, but I use vapes specifically to avoid that shiat. I breathe better, feel better, can smell things better and can taste things better than I could for the past 25 years as a two pack a day (until the last two years, when I got down to about a half a pack or so a day) smoker, too.

Take your self-righteous bullshiat somewhere else, anti-nicotine people. I'm sure there are folks in need of you self-appointed saviors of the universe somewhere. Abused kids, abused animals, vegans, recovering drunks with bad facial piercings... someone somewhere actually needs your indignation.
 
2013-09-17 05:36:08 PM  

JuggleGeek: Elegy: So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I'm glad it's working for you.  I'd recommend that you think about backup plans.  Make sure you have easy access to another battery, or a charger, or both.  Inside that Kanger Protank there is a small atomizer which will eventually die (usually with little or no warning) and you'll want to have a spare available, etc.  Right now, you say that your battery lasts you through the day, but after you've had it for six months, it isn't going to last as long.

I wouldn't worry much about the one-cig-a-day you are still smoking.  I think those will sort of go away on their own without you working hard at it, and smoking no more often than that, they aren't hurting you much.

Cutting down on your nic level a little at a time is pretty easy.  I've been vaping about 2 years, and I'm nic free.  I had expected it to be easy to set the whole thing aside once I wasn't using nic, but that didn't work out.  I haven't given up on the plan, and haven't worked very hard to stop vaping simply because vaping isn't nearly as expensive as smoking was and doesn't have the health issues.  But at this point I am addicted to vaping, and I'd like to not be addicted, so I expect to make at least one strong try at setting the whole thing aside.

panfried: Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.

I'm a big fan of Boba's Bounty and other juices by Alien Visions, and most of their juices (maybe all?) are VG only, no PG.

http://www.avejuice.com/index.php


Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here. Does it really help? I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt. Does anyone have any good advice on a valid al ...


I recommend the Kanger Pro-Tank over the Vivi Nova (saw someone recommend the Vivi Nova above). The Kanger is a better tank, liquid retains its flavor better in the Kanger than the Vivi, and the coil heads don't burn up as fast (you can prolong coil heads in the Vivi by tapping the button--hold a sec, release, hold a sec, release, hold a sec, release, maintaining your draw the whole time as you do) on the Kanger (no tapping required) at high voltages on lower resistances.

I used a Vivi Nova with an EGo for several months but now use a Kanger with a Vamo. Vivi/Ego is my backup, but honestly? Juice tastes like shiat in a Vivi compared to the Kanger, imo. Plus, the new Kanger v2 is disassemblable--saw one at my local vape shop last week and you can now remove the tips for proper cleaning.
 
2013-09-17 05:50:40 PM  

Psychopusher: These hit pieces are all Big Pharma. They're the ones with the show poodle in the pitbull fight

 
Mostly from big pharma, yes.  But also, ecigs get slandered from some groups that, logically, should be praising them.  The American Cancer Society and the American Heart Association and similar groups, for instance.  Where does their funding come from?  Largely from money paid in tobacco taxes.  They don't want people switching to the much healthier alternative because it hurts their pocketbook.
 
2013-09-17 05:51:39 PM  

Aigoo: I recommend the Kanger Pro-Tank over the Vivi Nova (saw someone recommend the Vivi Nova above).


The Vivi nova tanks are OK, but they wick from the top, where the Kanger Pro Tank wicks from the bottom.  If you vape heavy, like I do, the vivi nova tanks can't wick fast enough to keep up and  you get dry hits, which are yucky.  I like the pro tanks much better.
 
2013-09-17 06:32:26 PM  
I hit hash oil out of my vape pen (e-cig) at farking baseball games and no one even notices. I love it.
 
2013-09-17 06:56:10 PM  

Aigoo: Problem is, you let the tobacco lobby in on it, and suddenly, you've got everything and the kitchen sink in that shiat. Right now, my juice has nicotine, USP grade propylene glycol, USP grade vegetable glycerine, and flavoring in it. That's it.


I'm not so sure.  While I wouldn't put it past them to use whole tobacco alkaloids for that extra-addictive kick, they're nevertheless going to want to make them as cheaply as possible, and there's really not much more you can put in E-liquid that can make them more addictive with little to no expense.

Research studies indicate that when you inhale, the vast majority (we're talking something in the range of 99.7-ish percent, give or take) of nicotine is absorbed by the lungs. And there are numerous studies indicating that nicotine on its own is beneficial and useful for treating neurological disorders such as alzheimer's, Parkinson's, brain injury, and other issues. So the "omg nicotine! Save the children, elderly, and sick people!" argument goes out the window.

Precisely.  More studies have been cropping up of late about the benefits of nicotine therapy for neurological disorders and such due to nicotine's ability to help focus the mind and provide greater concentration.

When you exhale a vape, you're exhaling scented steam (if you use a flavor--my favorite is apple cinnamon) that is lower in strength than the shiat you spray at home or than the shiat hospitals spray (and much lower in strength than your Scentsy or Scentsy knockoff). My highly asthmatic roommate who is allergic to farking everything doesn't mind my vaping in the house, even in the same room (just not in the car because the cloud of steam in a closed space is too much for her, which I understand) and actually likes the scent--but when I still smoked, I had to change my shirt every time I came back in the house or risk aggravating her asthma.


There are no asthmatics here, but my cats are totally indifferent to vapor, even though they hate tobacco smoke and will take off like a shot if they unexpectedly find themselves downwind.  I vape at my desk at work and everyone loves that I don't smell like a stale ashtray anymore.  Furthermore they almost never smell what I'm vaping unless I exhale vapor without inhaling -- and even when they do smell that they all love the smell.  :)

JuggleGeek: Psychopusher: These hit pieces are all Big Pharma. They're the ones with the show poodle in the pitbull fight
 
Mostly from big pharma, yes.  But also, ecigs get slandered from some groups that, logically, should be praising them.  The American Cancer Society and the American Heart Association and similar groups, for instance.  Where does their funding come from?  Largely from money paid in tobacco taxes.  They don't want people switching to the much healthier alternative because it hurts their pocketbook.


Some of their money comes from there.  But take a look at who their biggest financial contributors are.  Pfizer.  GlaxoSmithKline.  Two of the biggest names in NRT and quit smoking drugs.  You'll see one or both on the contributions pages of the ACS, AHA, ALA, CLA, CCS, and other influential organizations who all continue to stump for NRT or Chantix and eschew the use of E-cigs.  Corporate contributions aren't supposed to influence what are supposed to be independent health watchdogs because it's a fundamental conflict of interest, but you bet your ass they do anyway.  Quietly, but assuredly.
 
2013-09-17 07:26:54 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ...And for the very select Pipe smokers here:


Sacrilege.
 
2013-09-17 07:58:38 PM  

keepitcherry: I hit hash oil out of my vape pen (e-cig) at farking baseball games and no one even notices. I love it.


A friend of a friend wants to know what tank you use for that.
 
2013-09-17 07:59:08 PM  

mizkc: As far as I am concerned, switching from regular to cigarettes to electronics ones does not equal quitting smoking. Nicotine ingestion is nicotine ingestion.


Smoking and nicotine ingestion are not the same thing.  If someone were using nicotine gum or the patch, they wouldn't be smoking, but they would be using nicotine.  You seem to have a lot in common with the author of TFA.  ie, an agenda, a lack of facts, and a willingness to lie.

I'm vaping, and I'm not using nicotine.  But since you are a biatch with an agenda, I'm sure you would say I'm smoking, too.
 
2013-09-17 08:30:50 PM  
Yippie, another one of these. I systematically dismantled that atrocious Huffington Post article, what was it, last week? Let's see what this one has to say. Should be fun. Okay, readysteadyGO:

"They also generally deliver lower amounts of nicotine than conventional cigarettes-a feature that may make e-cigarettes useful as an aid to smoking cessation."

Fair enough start. Tell the readers it "may be" useful to help quit smoking.

" e-cigarettes were statistically comparable to nicotine patches in helping smokers quit over a six-month period "

The study in question contained 657 people. 289 to nicotine e-cigs, 295 to patches, and 73 to a placebo (non-nicotine) e-cig, and it ran from September 6, 2011 to July 5, 2013.

From the study: "At 6 months, verified abstinence was 7·3% (21 of 289) with nicotine e-cigarettes, 5·8% (17 of 295) with patches, and 4·1% (three of 73) with placebo e-cigarettes "

From a numerical standpoint the total number of participating was pretty pathetic. Add to the fact there weren't an even number of participants in each group, when there very well could have and should have been, and you already have yourself a skewed study. Thing is, in all fairness, it is at least a decent enough start as far as research goes. They also had a very fair time period. Overall, it is a good enough study. I would have liked to have seen 1000 equally partitioned groups. They should also have had the nicotine e-cig users gradually decrease their dosage. Whether or not they did, I do not know, because the shoddy study left out a great number of relative details. You can check it out yourself in the link in the article.

Speaking of the article:

" "There is still so much that is unknown about the effectiveness and long-term effects of e-cigarettes" that more research is "urgently needed," cautioned lead researcher "

Fair enough. Of course more research is needed. "Urgently needed", not so sure, but it would be nice to have more studies done in a grander scope. Done without any influence by Big Tobacco, of course.

"In that vein, Alexander Prokhorov, a smoking cessation expert at Houston's MD Anderson Cancer Center who was not involved in the study, commented, "I'm glad that there is finally some tangible research starting to appear." But several aspects worry him. "Nicotine is not a neutral substance," and in addition to being highly addictive, "it can be a poisonous substance."

I clicked on this guy's link to see what he's about. He does a lot of work warning people of the dangers of smoking, developing programs for "at-risk" teens and young adults, and providing smoking cessation to those without insurance and/or have little money. He doesn't make my BSery Meter ding. What he means by 'neutral substance' is the way nicotine is broken down in the body. That is correct. As far as "it can be a poisonous substance", well, sure. In high amounts it can be. Pure concentrated nicotine, if enough makes contact with the skin, will kill your ass. Also, if anything, he understates just how highly addictive nicotine is. No argument here.

"...danger that rather than e-cigs helping you quit, "you may just switch to this product and continue using it," Prokhorov said. And since a smoker's dependence on nicotine remains, there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes. "

Switching to e-cigs from tobacco cigarettes is still a good thing. The amount of nicotine is lower (and you can even gradually step down to even lower doses ending in 0mg. The buzz from e-cigs is more mellow as well so it could take a little bit of adjusting if you are switching from tobacco cigarettes. So, I suppose, yes, there is a risk of people rebounding to cigarettes. But after the adjustment there is not.

Okay, to recap the format of the article it starts off fair enough, and they asked a known and respected smoking cessation expert his opinion. The reader is now drawn in, and considering it is National Geographic one may even be moreso drawn in. The rules of public speaking apply to the rules of writing as well. You have three minutes to hook a person. Once they're hooked they are along for the entire ride. At this point the reader would be hooked, and also, at this point, the BSery begins.

"Still, wouldn't there be some potential benefit to using only electronic cigarettes as an alternative to conventional cigarettes? "There is no question that e-cigarettes deliver less toxins than conventional cigarettes," said Stanton Glantz, director of the University of California, San Francisco's Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education. They may have as little as one-tenth of the toxins inhaled from burning tobacco"

You see what he did there? He states that e-cigs unequivocally have fewer toxins than tob.. wait... fewer toxins? "May have as little as one-tenth" the toxins as regular cigarettes? What toxins is he even speaking of? The only "toxin" that e-cigs has is nicotine itself. The rest is water vapor. 'Tsk 'tsk, implying e-cigs do pose a threat yet not going into detail. He starts off with a positive statement that implies negativity, think of it as a backhanded compliment, and that tricks the reader into thinking he potentially knows what he speaks of. Then it goes downhill.

"in an absolute sense they are negative," because they contain a number of toxic chemicals and ultrafine particles in addition to nicotine, and secondhand e-cig vapor could be harmful."

DING DING DING DING DING! BSery Meter going off now. They are negative? In an absolute sense? Again, what are these 'toxic chemicals'? Where is the proof this water vapor laced with nicotine and flavoring that dissipates into the atmosphere within a split second contains 'ultrafine particles' as well? Second hand vape? You mean if I am right next to a person who vapes, actually, no, better yet, if I am right in front of a person's face when they exhale, in that split second the vapor is visible, my lungs could be penetrated deeply by Nanoscale Particles of Doom? Oh shiiiiii, I better avoid driving through fog or I might die as well. Actually, e-cig vapor doesn't stay around long enough for that. Let's see what else he has to say:

""most people who use e-cigarettes also continue to use regular cigarettes; they are dual users. That means they are probably suffering all the risks from smoking." "

Most people? Provide numbers. I could go to an e-cigarette forum that has been around for at least five years (that is when I first found it after my mother died of lung cancer directly caused from smoking) and ask them if they smoke e-cigs and regular cigs in the same period, and I bet you it is not "most people" or any people for that matter. "Most". "Probably". Pretty vague language there. Doomsayer. I can make up stuff out of thin air too, ya know.

I grow tired of this. It goes on to state the risk to kids. I can agree. Parents should do their job if their children are intellectually challenged by telling them that just because e-cigs are harmless compared to tobacco cigarettes that it still is not okay to try nicotine. Nicotine really is very addictive. The only thing more addictive and harder to quit is heroine. Will some kids think: "Golly gee whiz! Stephen Dorph smokes e-cigs! Imma smoke too! I wanna be like... who the hell is he again?" No person should try nicotine if they never have before. Kid or adult alike. If a parent is a failure to humanity, has a mentally retarded child, and doesn't warn them about nicotine then that is moreso their fault than e-cigs.

Anyway, I doubt anyone read this. I did it for my own amusement.
 
2013-09-17 08:40:28 PM  

JuggleGeek: aerosol


You're looking at the definition of an aerosol spray can, like hair spray.

The scientific use of the term aerosol means any particulate or droplet suspended in a gas. Fog is an aerosol. Smoke is an aerosol. Water vapor is an aerosol. Sulfur dioxide in air is an aerosol. So, with a bit of basic research, you'll find out that part is not a lie.
 
2013-09-17 09:14:22 PM  

erewhon: You're looking at the definition of an aerosol spray can, like hair spray.

The scientific use of the term aerosol means any particulate or droplet suspended in a gas. Fog is an aerosol. Smoke is an aerosol. Water vapor is an aerosol. Sulfur dioxide in air is an aerosol. So, with a bit of basic research, you'll find out that part is not a lie.


I'm looking at the definition in the OED.  If you have a better source, then feel free to give me a link.

I linked to my source.  I trust the OED more than JoeBobFarksalot
 
2013-09-17 09:34:54 PM  
I've been on e-cigs for the  past 9 months and it's starting to make me feel like I'm drowning when inhaling.
Started to cut back on usage and mix it up with regular smokes.
Still smoking less than without e-cigs.
 
2013-09-17 10:24:40 PM  

Psychopusher: There are no asthmatics here, but my cats are totally indifferent to vapor


Not saying the vapor has any leftover PG but I ran into this when I first started e-cigs when researching the ingredients. Since then I've made sure to not exhale towards the cats.

from wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_body#Veterinary
Propylene glycol was once a common ingredient in soft moist cat food. According to the FDA "It was known for some time that propylene glycol caused Heinz Body formation in the red blood cells of cats (small clumps of proteins seen in the cells when viewed under the microscope), but it could not be shown to cause overt anemia or other clinical effects. However, recent reports in the veterinary literature of scientifically sound studies have shown that propylene glycol reduces the red blood cell survival time, renders red blood cells more susceptible to oxidative damage, and has other adverse effects in cats consuming the substance at levels found in soft-moist food. In light of this new data, CVM amended the regulations to expressly prohibit the use of propylene glycol in cat foods.
 
2013-09-17 10:43:42 PM  

Deep Contact: I've been on e-cigs for the  past 9 months and it's starting to make me feel like I'm drowning when inhaling.
Started to cut back on usage and mix it up with regular smokes.
Still smoking less than without e-cigs.


Try using E-liquid with a higher VG ratio.  Some people have various sensitivities to PG that higher VG concentrations often solve.

kuzo: Psychopusher: There are no asthmatics here, but my cats are totally indifferent to vapor

Not saying the vapor has any leftover PG but I ran into this when I first started e-cigs when researching the ingredients. Since then I've made sure to not exhale towards the cats.

from wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_body#Veterinary
Propylene glycol was once a common ingredient in soft moist cat food. According to the FDA "It was known for some time that propylene glycol caused Heinz Body formation in the red blood cells of cats (small clumps of proteins seen in the cells when viewed under the microscope), but it could not be shown to cause overt anemia or other clinical effects. However, recent reports in the veterinary literature of scientifically sound studies have shown that propylene glycol reduces the red blood cell survival time, renders red blood cells more susceptible to oxidative damage, and has other adverse effects in cats consuming the substance at levels found in soft-moist food. In light of this new data, CVM amended the regulations to expressly prohibit the use of propylene glycol in cat foods.


Oh, I don't blow vapor right at the cats -- regardless of how relatively harmless I may think it is, I still don't think it's a good idea to be blowing vapor rings in my cats' faces.  I still blow it away from them.  I was more just trying to show that the odor is exponentially less offensive to the point where even my cats don't give a crap.
 
2013-09-17 10:47:03 PM  

kuzo: Psychopusher: There are no asthmatics here, but my cats are totally indifferent to vapor

Not saying the vapor has any leftover PG but I ran into this when I first started e-cigs when researching the ingredients. Since then I've made sure to not exhale towards the cats.

from wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_body#Veterinary
Propylene glycol was once a common ingredient in soft moist cat food. According to the FDA "It was known for some time that propylene glycol caused Heinz Body formation in the red blood cells of cats (small clumps of proteins seen in the cells when viewed under the microscope), but it could not be shown to cause overt anemia or other clinical effects. However, recent reports in the veterinary literature of scientifically sound studies have shown that propylene glycol reduces the red blood cell survival time, renders red blood cells more susceptible to oxidative damage, and has other adverse effects in cats consuming the substance at levels found in soft-moist food. In light of this new data, CVM amended the regulations to expressly prohibit the use of propylene glycol in cat foods.


So wait... does the same thing happen to people when they breathe it regularly?
 
2013-09-18 01:10:11 AM  

timujin: Mr. Fuzzypaws: I thought you were supposed to use those to quit, not just to suck on a different imaginary dick.

/my dick sucking days are done
//quit cold turkey, like a real man

There's more than one reason to use them.  Perhaps you want to continue to smoke, but don't want to smoke all the other crap that comes in cigarettes.  Or you want to continue to smoke, but have felt like the second-hand smoke kept you from being able to socialize at times.  Perhaps you don't like smelling like smoke or maybe you simply like the flavors of the e-cigs.  That they're an effective cessation tool is great, but different strokes and all that.


This is/was my problem, I like smoking. Yes, there is the nicotine addiction to consider, but I just enjoy the whole smoking ritual. I think that this is one of the biggest reasons that going cold turkey, using the patch, or taking chantix didn't help me much. The rest of timujin's reasons also apply to me to one degree or another.

I'm another e-cig supporter. I've been smoking for almost 35 years. I don't remember ever going more than a few days without smoking. I've been using the e-cig for a little less than a month and I'm down from 2+ packs per day to one or two cigarettes per day.

E-cigs are not good for your health, but they are less harmful than smoking tobacco.
 
2013-09-18 02:19:45 AM  
Begs to differ.

brianmcm.com
 
2013-09-18 06:49:31 AM  

timujin: So wait... does the same thing happen to people when they breathe it regularly?


No every source I've found indicates it is species specific reaction in cats.
 
2013-09-18 11:04:56 AM  

Elegy: keepitcherry: I hit hash oil out of my vape pen (e-cig) at farking baseball games and no one even notices. I love it.

A friend of a friend wants to know what tank you use for that.

 
http://www.ruvaped.com/   This is the one that I use.  I just load it up w/ a little oil, wax, or whatever and take tiny hits and hold them in until no vapor comes out.
 
2013-09-18 02:05:14 PM  

keepitcherry: Elegy: keepitcherry: I hit hash oil out of my vape pen (e-cig) at farking baseball games and no one even notices. I love it.

A friend of a friend wants to know what tank you use for that.
 
http://www.ruvaped.com/   This is the one that I use.  I just load it up w/ a little oil, wax, or whatever and take tiny hits and hold them in until no vapor comes out.


Thanks!
 
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