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2013-09-16 11:43:39 PM
Australia Considering Nationwide Ban On Smoking By replacing Tobacco cigarettes with Electronic Cigarettes.  Where is your second hand vapor now, you intolerant, insufferable douche-bag busybody anti-everything that doesn't please you and  your kind!
 
2013-09-16 11:46:15 PM
Society's oldest threat: assholes like that
 
2013-09-16 11:57:14 PM
FTFA:
1. Because e-cigs mimic the look and rituals of conventional cigarette smoking, there is a danger that rather than e-cigs helping you quit, "you may just switch to this product and continue using it," Prokhorov said.

Though some e-cigs look vaguely like traditional smokes, most do not even come close.
Whether or not I use it to quite as intended or keep using it once I have eliminated all nicotine is irrelevant.  I would rather keep using mine for another 20 years than be dead in 5 if I continue to smoke tobacco cigs.

2. And since a smoker's dependence on nicotine remains, there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes.

See my last opinion.  It is my desire to quit, it is my goal and the e-cig has been highly helpful in achieving this so far, I don't give a shiat about this concern as this is MY farking choice.
 
2013-09-17 12:06:29 AM
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2013-09-17 12:13:56 AM

DanZero: [images.wikia.com image 319x188]


+1

*golf clap*
 
2013-09-17 12:16:48 AM
So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
i.imgur.com

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Until this past week.

And as to the comparison with the success rates of the patch: in my experience, that is utter bullshiat. The patch is nothing like smoking, and did very little to help with my cravings both times I used it. I ended up ripping it off and buying a pack in about 3 days both times I tried the patch because I couldn't handle the cravings.

So - a big thanks to the Fark community, who has been totally awesome in sharing experience, suggestions, and knowledge around about the confusing world of e-cigs.

You guys rock.
 
2013-09-17 12:21:56 AM
I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..
 
2013-09-17 12:23:33 AM
Oh...basically what I was saying is that if you want to stop smoking, using a nicotine sub isn't the way. Cold Turkey is the best way.
 
2013-09-17 12:27:40 AM
The need to make vapor hookahs.
 
2013-09-17 12:28:57 AM

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


Coming up on two years for me

/I craved a cig worse after one year than I did after one week
//it's eased off now
///but I have considered an e-cig just because I like the nicotine buzz, but hate cigarette smoke
 
2013-09-17 12:29:14 AM
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Yeah, it is this thread again. Someone's buying a lot of space in high-profile media properties to FUD e-cigs. The question is, why?

Spin the wheel, pick your business plan!

(1) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby clearing the way for Big Tobacco to protect the smoking business)
(2) Big Tobacco thinks it can make more money by forcing e-cig manufacturers to bankrupt themselves by spending $100M-$1B in clinical trials to establish themselves as smoking cessation medical devices (thereby bankrupting them or at least clearing the way for the Big Tobacco companies that don't already have a position in e-cigs, to pick up an e-cig manufacturer on the cheap, or to nullify the investment that their competitors, such as Lorillard, have made in e-cig manufacturers like Blu.)
(3) Big Puritanism is scared that its lifeline is drying up either way, and is willing to work with Big Tobacco on (1) through (3) inclusive to nip the problem in the bud...
(4) ...before Small Hemp gets into the action. (a new idea from the last one of these threads.)
(5) through (n), for double-digit values of n, we're all ears; there's probably a buck to be made here, the question is where?
 
2013-09-17 12:35:12 AM
Wow, I hate cigarettes... I mean, I have my reasons and all and I don't apologize for such a strong reaction.  HATE.  So, that being said, this article is the biggest bunch of FUD I've read in a looong time.  If I didn't know better, I'd think it was written by the someone from one of the cigarette companies.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:11 AM

panfried: 2. And since a smoker's dependence on nicotine remains, there is a risk for a relapse to smoking conventional cigarettes.


I quit smoking over 2 years ago and have been using e-cigs since then. This summer, I got drunk at a bar and bummed a couple of cigarettes from someone. It was the nastiest thing I've ever tasted and I don't know how I ever started smoking in the first place.

Different people may react differently, but I've heard the same sort of thing from many people.
 
2013-09-17 12:36:25 AM

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.
snipped for brevity ...


I'm glad it's working out for you... sounds like a very solid setup--way better than I started with!

In my town these days I see more e-cig users than real smokers. And it's gotten to the point where even the nonsmoking people are accustomed enough to them. The vaping people don't blow vapor in people's faces (except when people ask what flavor is that?) and the nonsmokers don't kvetch. It's quite pleasant.
 
2013-09-17 12:45:12 AM
Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.
 
2013-09-17 12:46:27 AM

optikeye: Oh...basically what I was saying is that if you want to stop smoking, using a nicotine sub isn't the way. Cold Turkey is the best way.


What works for you and what works for others can be completely different, and that can be okay.
 
2013-09-17 12:52:03 AM

optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.


The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.
 
2013-09-17 01:01:53 AM

new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.


The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.
 
2013-09-17 01:06:12 AM

panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.


LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt
 
2013-09-17 01:13:48 AM

panfried: panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.

LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt


Ah, the VG-only juices. I love the throat-hit from the PG, so that would drive me nuts. It seems like there are a ton of PG-free options out there now at least, which is good for people like your wife.
 
2013-09-17 01:16:16 AM
snus
 
2013-09-17 01:31:43 AM
All I can say is, my brother loves them and he's basically won the e-cig lottery with some of these daily deal websites that've had clearance prices on them lately.
 
2013-09-17 01:32:35 AM
And I shouldn't say "loves" them, but these prices have been about half that of cheap tobacco, so he's happy.
 
2013-09-17 01:37:16 AM
Well let me tell you, I saw "Reefer Madness" and I can tell you what kind of degenerate behavior this leads to.
 
2013-09-17 01:40:01 AM
God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*
 
2013-09-17 01:40:45 AM
Just built my first dual coil on a new RDA I got. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.


/csb
 
2013-09-17 01:43:25 AM

panfried: panfried: new_york_monty: optikeye: Can any one even SMELL a ecig vapor from more than 3 feet away? I've had people use them in close proximity to me and I couldn't smell a thing....except one that used some herbal 'flavor' thing...and that's smoking clove cigs.

People using just nicotine 'juice' I couldn't smell anything.

The only flavor I've used that gets noticed is hazelnut tobacco. People ask if someone's baking cookies. Then they get hungry. I've never had a complaint other than damn it now I'm hungry.

The wife uses a vanilla tobacco flavor, smells nice, but to me, tastes like cream of wheat /brown sugar.  Mine is just a tobacco flavor. tastes like drawin on an unlit light smoke.  Unfortunately for mrs anfried, he is alergic to brewers yeast (what the pg is derived from) gotta find a pg free juice.

LOL PREVIEW:  drawing, Mrs panfried. allergic, SHE... nttawwt


Hey we don't judge.
/ Unless it's a beer snob thread. Then you must die.
 
2013-09-17 01:44:47 AM
Biggest thing I have against eCigs is their choice of using Jenny McCarthy in an advertisement.
 
2013-09-17 01:45:31 AM

log_jammin: snus


Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.
 
2013-09-17 01:47:36 AM
I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.
 
2013-09-17 01:48:37 AM
i.imgur.com
I ordered a Zima, not emphysema!
 
2013-09-17 01:49:32 AM

violentsalvation: God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*


I had one co worker practically go into anaphylactic shock. With weeping eyes, and coughing, and retching when I walk past her going to break with a cigarette in my hand.

Difficulty...the cig wasn't lit I just had it in my hand.

This was the 80's when you could indeed smoke inside, but just the Sight of a cig sent this person into major fits.

At this point it really isn't about smoking anymore.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:08 AM
My father, a smoker for over 50 years, 2+ packs a day, diagnosed with COPD, and could not walk more than 100 yards without being winded. When he was hospitalized from a fractured pelvic bone, he went through withdrawal from high-dose nicotine. They gave him patches, Chantix, and when he finally got to go home, he went on an e-cig. That was 3 years ago.

Today - he is jogging a mile every morning. Not walking. Not stopping every 300 steps. He is joogging. His breathing has improved enough that he has been able to come off all of his medications. Spiriva, Advair, Albuterol inhalers, and jog for crying out loud!. Sure, he isn't fast, but he is doing a helluva lot better than he was even before he broke his pelvic bone.

So, to the article, a great big F-YOU. They can help people get better. Maybe not 100%, but he is far healthier now from switching to e-cigs than he was when he was on the Marlboros.
 
2013-09-17 01:50:09 AM

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.


Just saw this. This is good news. Congratulations. Glad to see you got a good setup.
 
2013-09-17 01:51:25 AM

panfried: Australia Considering Nationwide Ban On Smoking By replacing Tobacco cigarettes with Electronic Cigarettes.  Where is your second hand vapor now, you intolerant, insufferable douche-bag busybody anti-everything that doesn't please you and  your kind!


Done in one. Bravo
 
2013-09-17 01:53:31 AM
That leads to the question: "Why would you use something that has not been tested when there is something [with] quality control and [that] has been tested?"

Clearly this person has no understand of breaking a habbit.  A large part of beating smoking is breaking the habbit of having something in your hand or something to do with your hands and wearing a patch doesn't fill that void.  That's partly why most people put on weight when they quit.
 
2013-09-17 01:54:01 AM

optikeye: I stopped smoking 5m, 1 w, and 12 m ago.

I still want a cig. but won't do it.

I tried the e-cigs, chantrex, patches...and all that was just denial stuff. Cold Turkey.

The the thing is you have to WANT to stop. and put up with cravings.

Heck even now, the SO will say...please have a smoke or gum thing. You're driving me mad.

I hope that gets better as it goes on...but I don't think you'll ever be free of nicotine after addiction. Despite what the websites say "it only last three days"...FARK YOU..


The 72 hour thing is just when you PHYSICALLY are free. It will get better from there, I swear, but you need mental reinforcement.

Try Allen Carr.
 
2013-09-17 01:54:28 AM
Non-smoker here - but is it just me, or did the article contain one bit of actual science (e-cigs are, on average, as good as the patch for quitting smoking) and then a bunch of unscientific negative comments about e-cigs?

Personally, I see e-cigs as an unmitigated boon, even if they just replace combustion-based cigarettes rather than being used for smoking cessation. As the article did manage to say, they convey a lot less other toxins for the same amount of nicotine - and although I've yet to see any research done on secondhand vapor's toxicity, it's certainly as much less toxic than secondary smoke as primary vapor is than primary smoke, and probably even less than that. The idea that secondary vapor is harmful enough to require regulation as a public health hazard, frankly, seems ludicrous to me unless and until there's some credible research proving that it is.
 
2013-09-17 01:55:21 AM
Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date....


So what are you going to do with all that money you have left over? A pack a day? Just imagine how much you'll save now
 
2013-09-17 01:59:33 AM

Mithiwithi: Non-smoker here - but is it just me, or did the article contain one bit of actual science (e-cigs are, on average, as good as the patch for quitting smoking) and then a bunch of unscientific negative comments about e-cigs?

Personally, I see e-cigs as an unmitigated boon, even if they just replace combustion-based cigarettes rather than being used for smoking cessation. As the article did manage to say, they convey a lot less other toxins for the same amount of nicotine - and although I've yet to see any research done on secondhand vapor's toxicity, it's certainly as much less toxic than secondary smoke as primary vapor is than primary smoke, and probably even less than that. The idea that secondary vapor is harmful enough to require regulation as a public health hazard, frankly, seems ludicrous to me unless and until there's some credible research proving that it is.


Here is the latest research that every new article ignores
http://antithrlies.com/2013/08/08/breaking-news-new-study-shows-no-r is k-from-e-cigarette-contaminants/
 
2013-09-17 02:02:42 AM

violentsalvation: log_jammin: snus

Is that still working for you? I like them but they make me want to dip really bad. I've been thinking about e-smokes but I find all the suggestions of gear and setups a little overwhelming.


I used snus to stop smoking. then gradually cut down on the nicotine content in my snus until it was the smallest amount available, then used the patch for two weeks to stop using snus. I haven't smoked in about 3 years and haven't used snus in about 2. without snus I have no doubt I'd still be smoking to this day.
 
2013-09-17 02:02:46 AM
It's all about personal choice.

My preference are disposable e-cigs. I started using them two months ago and haven't even touched an actual cigarette since. Also I can actually go more than one day without the e-cig. So this article, even though it is from a respected publication, can shove it's FUD.
 
2013-09-17 02:05:56 AM

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


There are a lot of people here that are very knowledgeable about ecigs, and you're probably going to get a ton of advice. You should check the thread I linked in my post above for a ton of good suggestions, too.

It might help people to know what you are looking for. Do you need something that you can use all day without refilling or recharging, or can you take time out to refill your ecig? Do you want something that looks and feels like a cigarette, or do you mind stepping up to a cigar sized setup?
 
2013-09-17 02:07:55 AM

Elegy: So a big thank you to again to new_york_monty, s2s2s2, Goatspunk, stovepipe, Aigoo, doyner and all of the rest of the Farkers too numerous to mention that contributed suggestions and advice in the awesome e-cig thread we had a couple of weeks ago.

You guys armed me with enough knowledge and motivation to finally get an e-cig. My SmokTek Zmax mod came in a week ago:
[i.imgur.com image 300x400]

I probably overbought, but I wanted something with variable power so I could dial in the vapor levels, and I wanted something that accomodated a large enough battery that I could not worry about carrying extra batteries or a charger with me everywhere I go.

So far its been great. The Kranger Protank lasts most of a day - and all of a work day - with 10mg juice, and the 2250mah batteries last for two days, so I fill it in the morning, check the battery
and I'm good.

I've been using it for 6 days. In six days I have had 1 cigarette a day, down from a pack a day habit. In every case that one cigarette is always immediately before I go to bed, as a reward for not smoking during the day and to help me sleep (since I'm stepping down my nicotine intake, the jonesing can keep me awake). The eventual plan is to stop smoking entirely in the next week or so, and after a month begin to taper down the nicotine in my juice a little at a time. Thus far it has been beyond easy - cravings have been very minimal and fairly easily dealt with, except at night shortly before I go to bed - and has certainly been the easiest quit experience to date.

And now on to the TFA, and all of the fear mongering therein: FARK YOU, ARTICLE. Do you know how long its been since I've gone 6 days on 6 cigarettes? NEVER. Sad as it is, I have not gone a single day without smoking a pack of cigs a day since I was 18 - and I'm 30 - until this past week. Every morning and every night, if I ran out of smokes I immediately went to the store and bought a new pack. One pack a day, every day, for the past 12 years. Unti ...


Man, you started with a monster.  The commercial options now are much nicer than they were a year or two ago, when I bought a variable voltage mod that was based on a button making a washer make a physical connection between the contact points.  It worked great brand new, but the washer would oxidize over time, requiring me to have to take the whole thing apart, sand down the washer so that it would conduct, and then put it all together again.

As far as the 1 a day thing goes - just stop it.  You'll go through a day or three where you'll want that hit from actual burning tobacco, but it will be resistible because you're still getting the nicotine and the physical action of inhaling the vapor.

I went from a 2-pack a day habit to e-cig only and never looked back.  I breathe better, I smell better, and I've saved an assload of money.
 
2013-09-17 02:08:35 AM

optikeye: violentsalvation: God I hate walking through that cloud of "vapor" on my way to the designated smoking area. *contrived retching noises*

I had one co worker practically go into anaphylactic shock. With weeping eyes, and coughing, and retching when I walk past her going to break with a cigarette in my hand.

Difficulty...the cig wasn't lit I just had it in my hand.

This was the 80's when you could indeed smoke inside, but just the Sight of a cig sent this person into major fits.

At this point it really isn't about smoking anymore.


The agenda-driven stigma pisses me off to no end, and I've seen a bit of that permeate into the e-cig threads. But really these links just read like propaganda sponsored by big tobacco, and I think as e-cigs grow in popularity it will be interesting to see which researchers put their names behind this study or that. Everyone has a price, and until e-cigs are taxed just the same, and big T finds a way to profit from them, the lobbyists will write the narrative.
 
2013-09-17 02:08:49 AM
I quit smoking 4 months ago. I used an ecig for about a week and a half to help mitigate my wanting to strangle people who annoyed me. After that 10 days I stopped altogether. Worked great for me and after only using it for a week and a half I started to prefer it over regular cigarettes because I could farking breath again. Every smoker should switch to ecigs IMO and articles like this discourage people from making a healthier choice for themselves and that's horribly farking irresponsible.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:41 AM
Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.
 
2013-09-17 02:12:45 AM

spaten: Won't someone think of the big government lefties. We have had one far left party, since the bastard Woodrow Wilson. 1913...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 273x185]

Let's nuke our own people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

fark the progressive fascism. Ban this ban that It's disgusting. Let people live their lives. Progressive=Totalitarian.


*blink*
 
2013-09-17 02:14:04 AM

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I have to ask for the experienced E-cig users here.  Does it really help?  I paid way too much for a smoke21 e-cig and all it did was a combo of making me smoke more and make my lungs hurt.  Does anyone have any good advice on a valid alternative?  I want to quit smoking but not quite enough to actually do it.


I was overwhelmed by all the suggestions and really put off by all the hipster talk regarding the e-cig, so I went with a trial starter kit (real cheap as I was skeptical) from "thevaporroom.net", it came with all I needed to learn and experience, the order process was informative and the results where convincing. YRMV, but I doubt it. Good luck
 
2013-09-17 02:15:11 AM
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but some of the cardiovascular damage caused by cigarette smoking is caused by nicotine, and will occur no matter how you ingest it.  Cardiovascular damage and high cholesterol is setting yourself up for a heart attack or stroke, so please mitigate your risk factors accordingly.

That being said, people who are putting things in the air, be it perfume or smoke or vapor or farts, should really do what they need to do away from high traffic pedestrian areas, air intake ventilation, indoors around others, or anywhere where the smell will bother people.  It is pretty easy to avoid annoying others with smells, regardless of the nature of the odor.

/I know you secretly want people to smell your farts, you horrible person you
 
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