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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 197
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2013-09-16 04:34:46 PM  
10 votes:
One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.
2013-09-16 04:25:02 PM  
10 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Reality has a liberal bias.
2013-09-16 05:54:27 PM  
6 votes:
you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.
2013-09-16 04:24:08 PM  
5 votes:
There once was a man named Alexis
Who came from the great state of Texas
He shot crowds with his gun
SWAT ended his fun
Now somebody has to clean up the messes.
2013-09-16 04:40:10 PM  
4 votes:
yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...
2013-09-16 04:39:18 PM  
4 votes:

FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.


It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.
2013-09-16 05:02:37 PM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: as soon as i saw his pic, i felt a great disturbance at fox news - as if hundreds of boners stiffened in unison...




While progressives everywhere still suffer from erectile dysfunction


Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American
2013-09-16 04:51:10 PM  
3 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?


It is a Fark Progressives greatest dream that one of these incidents will have been  perpetrated by a straight, white,  middle aged, male, tea party/NRA member, Christian, registered GOP, pro-lifer, having something to do with either the coal or oil industry.  Failing that they will settle for a disgruntled  now ex-government employee because of sequestration.

Given that the perp is a black American male and given  that they tend to vote Democrat in the 95% or better range I think the odds are better than average that the perp is a Democrat if he is a member of any political party

What I can't understand is why a Black American male would feel the need to do this seeing how much that demographics  conditions have improved under this administration.
2013-09-16 04:49:42 PM  
3 votes:
Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.  Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment.  Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

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2013-09-16 04:47:31 PM  
3 votes:

strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...


You do know you're arguing FOR Federal gun control, right?
2013-09-16 04:28:18 PM  
3 votes:
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RIP Alexis Texas
2013-09-16 04:23:07 PM  
3 votes:
I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.
2013-09-16 04:21:11 PM  
3 votes:
If only they were armed
2013-09-17 02:29:28 AM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: Amos Quito: There is so much we don't know, but one thing we do know is that Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm. I'm a cruel-minded idiot who makes stupid vicious accusations

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Stop being an asshole.

You know what her history with being around people getting shot was.

STFU.



Yeah, Kittypie070, I know what Feignstein's "history with being around people getting shot" is.

But apparently you don't.

Feignstein happened to be in an office complex when "San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk, who were shot and killed in San Francisco City Hall by former Supervisor Dan White on November 27, 1978".

White, a FORMER POLICE OFFICER used his SERVICE REVOLVER to murder Moscone and Milk. For the firearm illiterate, a REVOLVER is a pistol - six-shooter (in this case) to murder the mayor and the councilman who displaced him.

Feignstein was one of the first on the scene - having heard the shots, etc.

The chum that YOU have been eating tells you that THIS "traumatic experience" is the impetus that drives Feignstein in her quest for GUN CONTROL.

Except that it's bullshiat.

Feignstein knows DAMN WELL that the VAST majority of murders committed here in the US are committed with HANDGUNS (you know, the kind that Dan White used to murder Milk and Moscone in Feignstein's presence) yet the FalseFaced biatch is NOT going after handguns - which pose the greatest threat to public safety - The Mummy is hell-bent on doing away with ASSAULT RIFLES - which pose the greatest threat to GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

Here's a little graphic for yaz - courtesy of ME and the FBI:

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Like any conniving wannabe oligarch, Feignstein (and her pals) want to disarm the peasantry - not "for their own good" or in the interest of "public safety", but to ensure that the peasants are unable to offer resistance to their increasing oppression.

It's what they do.

Do you know WHO ELSE wishes that his populace was unarmed and helpless?

www.nndb.com

Yeah, you BET he does.

And right now, Obama, Feignstein and their pals are ARMING those who oppose Assad - but they're NOT arming them with REVOLVERS like Dan White used to murder Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk - they're arming them with ASSAULT RIFLES - the kind that both Obey and Feignstein want to BAN here in the US.

Why?

Because while handguns make fine murder weapons, they are practically USELESS in a revolution/warfare scenario where one is trying to oppose oppressive tyranny.

Feignstein and her pals do NOT have public safety in their little scheming heads. They mean to deprive the peasantry of any means to resist.

Curl up around that and sleep on it, Kittypie070.
2013-09-16 11:12:21 PM  
2 votes:

Skyd1v: This is incorrect.  Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory.  This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Anything purchased after the FFL received their license must go into the A&D ("Bound Book") only if the FFL was used to make the purchase.  The FFL holder can still purchase a firearm as a regular person (i.e: NICS check plus whatever state regulations may apply) and never have the firearm show up in the book at all.


This fellow FFL holder knows the score, and speaks truly. Are you an 01?
2013-09-16 10:25:31 PM  
2 votes:
My day at the Navy Yard

Had I gone in to do PT, as I'd planned the night before, I'd have been on the street right around 0820: shootin' time. Instead, I made it to my building by 0740 and went in to do some paperwork and take a shower in prep for work at 9.

Word traveled by 0845 that we were locked down. We never heard any shots or strange noises. Most of the media's camera angles for today were directly at my building - you can see it from M at the gate that served as the prime staging point. We spent the morning drifting slowly away from areas with windows, watching tv, telling inappropriate jokes and pacing around the building. We saw lots of shapes with rifles & riot gear passing by our windows, and occasionally someone would poke their head out from behind the curtains facing M to check out all the apparatus that had lined up. Lots of chopper noise, and I heard what had to be an assault vehicle making its way in. Morale was really high - our building is as secure as any, and even though we're right across the street from NAVSEA it was apparent that there were plenty of security assets running around, and unless it was a battalion of farkin' ninjas we were gonna be okay.

Still - when someone noticed the heavily armed 4 man crew taking cover by the cars directly in front of our entrance, it was time to move into the center of the building where there's no windows, 60 of us split between 2 rooms. We spent about 20 minutes there until we heard noises from inside the building and knew it wasn't any of our people - 5 or 6 guys making a pretty solid racket. This was around 1230.

Keeping in mind that we felt pretty secure in our building - at least gauged by group morale - things took a VERY quick turn for the surreal when security burst into our room, guns drawn/at the ready/fingers on the trigger and yelling for us to get down on the ground. I had my phone in hand when I made it onto the ground and slid under a riser - the base rent-a-cops don't always strike me as the best and brightest, and at the moment they were the source of danger. One guy moved man to man, getting people off the floor and frisking aggressively while yelling very loudly to his partner at the door 20 feet away. As I slid out from under the riser with phone in hand he told me to leave it there. I did(mistake). I was ordered out the door.

As I left, it was fairly obvious by the increased shouting they'd found the couple of people in the best hiding spot in the room: old boy seriously lost his shiat for 2 of the most innocuous people at my work, aiming his pistol right at them. These are not people who have former experience with firearms leveled directly at their faces. I was not surprised to see one of them sobbing heavily on their way to the staging area.

We were transferred into the food court, stuck waiting on news with everyone else for the better part of 2 hours. Someone in khakis and a police reflective vest came in, a noticeably large blood stain on his sleeve that was obviously not his. Eavesdropping gave up lots of gossip but nothing of real substance. I texted home on a co-worker's phone that things were moving forward. When the FBI & everybody finally got their act together, the departure went pretty smooth. I made it to Rosslyn by 1600 and back home by 1730. My phone, backpack & iPad remain on the floor where I had to leave them during the evac. My car's still in the back gate garage. No clue when we'll get to go back, but NAVFAC is posting updates on it's Facebook page.

Not trying to be Mr. Badass, but honestly - if there's no rockets or mortars I'm not too worried. That said, a lot of damage was done today. Nothing good will come from this. There are 12 families in pain and a lot of unanswered questions. A hell of a day.
2013-09-16 07:50:57 PM  
2 votes:

mizchief: And I said that when exactly?


Oh, gee, sorry. I thought since you started making up outlandish opinions for other people that was going to be a theme so I was just following suit.

Kuroshin: you prove how stupid railing against us individual gun owners really is


I've already addressed this earlier in the thread. Feel free to go read it.

By the way, I own two guns. A .22 bolt action long rifle and a Sig P226.

I just don't think I should be able to own guns with complete impunity. And if you really want reasonable checks, great, but give the fark up. The people I'm biatching at have pretty decisively ensured that sensible control will never happen, so I'm more than happy to just help remind them of the blood on their hands instead.

Owning a gun doesn't make you a lunatic, but I'm not going to sit and pretend that a portion of gun owners AREN'T lunatics, either.
2013-09-16 06:18:39 PM  
2 votes:

AngryDragon: Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about th
Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms ou ...


should be, but won't....that's the problem.  there are plenty of people on the right who try very hard to make sure it's difficult to enforce the rules already on the books...and they're trying to repeal the ones we've got.  oh, and you can forget about having a reasonable discussion with the Right about guns and gun violence.  they tend to go right to "Obama is a comin fer my guns!" then veer off into conspiracy theory and back episodes of Doomsday Preppers.
2013-09-16 06:14:13 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.

if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.


Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and everything to do with restricting law abiding citizens.  That's why there is resistance.
2013-09-16 06:03:30 PM  
2 votes:
From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.
2013-09-16 05:59:04 PM  
2 votes:
People, we as a country deserve this.

Lots of guns, with not too many restrictions for a peaceful first world country.

And health care is limited, psychological care is even more limited.

Lots of guns, very little mental health care, how can this not be the formula for people going postal and mass shootings.
2013-09-16 05:33:19 PM  
2 votes:

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


That's impossible. From the other gun threads I have been told that guns can only be used as "self defense" by good guys not by "bad guys".

What you're trying to imply is bringing guns to a scene can actually make things worse and by doing so outing yourself as a commie pinko trader.
2013-09-16 05:25:08 PM  
2 votes:

Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.


Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.
2013-09-16 05:02:20 PM  
2 votes:

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.
2013-09-16 04:59:19 PM  
2 votes:
Right Wing:

He's Black -- YAY!!!
From Texas -- SH*T
Used to live in New York -- YAY!!!
Ex-Military -- SH*T
He's Buddhist -- YAY!!!
2013-09-16 04:50:11 PM  
2 votes:

strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone


I thought he picked up a weapon from an armed guard in this "gun-free zone."
2013-09-16 04:49:53 PM  
2 votes:

AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.


You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?
2013-09-16 04:49:41 PM  
2 votes:

Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/


Good old FoxNews. You can always count on them:


Although the motive was not yet known, the shooting brought to mind another mass shooting at a military base, on Nov. 5, 2009. That shooting, carried out by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, an American-born Muslim who became a jihadist while in the military, left 13 dead and more than 30 injured.

Get that Muslim angle in there!
2013-09-16 04:40:43 PM  
2 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Yeah those damn tragedy hating libs. :(
2013-09-16 04:34:01 PM  
2 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Six comments until "False Flag". Never change, Fark.
2013-09-16 04:33:12 PM  
2 votes:

OnlyM3: Yeah he did insert that 2 teleprompter line in his attack the republicans and self congratulatory speech

Don't let a tragedy interfere with your derp zero.


Interesting that you had to post the Obama quote so you could COMPLAIN ABOUT THE POLITICS.

Gosh, aren't you just above it all!
2013-09-16 04:31:52 PM  
2 votes:
I guess the tree of liberty has been refreshed for today. Gosh, it sure is thirsty.
2013-09-16 04:31:38 PM  
2 votes:
I tell you what the police are missing here -- the shooting suspect is missing a middle name.  Everyone knows these maniacal, homicidal nuts have to have three names to join the Krazy Killer Klub.
2013-09-16 04:31:38 PM  
2 votes:

OnlyM3: ThatDarkFellow

If only they were armed
Would be good derp but for the fact that that this is a no guns allowed zone.


So when he shot the onsite security and took his weapon, it was what? A fake gun he took?
2013-09-16 04:29:08 PM  
2 votes:
This is very sad.
2013-09-16 04:28:46 PM  
2 votes:
Now I can't stop thinking about Alexis Texas.
2013-09-16 04:25:22 PM  
2 votes:

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


security reasons. Why do you think so many schools get shot up? He knows he'll be the only one with the gun.
2013-09-16 04:24:21 PM  
2 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


i.... i'm not sure what your point is.
2013-09-16 04:22:22 PM  
2 votes:
Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.
2013-09-16 04:22:17 PM  
2 votes:
If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.
2013-09-16 04:21:37 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-09-17 02:43:30 PM  
1 votes:
blindio:
Yeah? I'm sure they're looking forward to telling me which countries are not so secretly providing them with real resistance weapons instead of relying on consumer grade semi automatic rifles with cool looking vents and crap.  In the case of Afghanistan, they would have been a Russian Provence if the US hadn't provided them with weapons capable of taking down the Soviet armored helicopters.


You're right, Russia would have won in Afghanistan if the U.S. hadn't provided the stingers to knock down those MI-24's.  Totally irrelevant, unless you think that the U.S military (which is made up of U.S. citizens, not killbots just in case you were unaware) will adopt soviet-esque tactics to include mass killings and trying to defeat an insurgency as if it were conventional warfare.  Indiscriminate attacks on cities/villages?  Plant landmines in civilian-dominated areas?  Round up and execute fighting-age males?  Yeah, that's exactly what would happen. /sarcasm

The "fighting 'men" of Afghanistan that have caused so much trouble (not just for the U.S. military, but the entire coalition there) are using rustbucket AK's, Enfields, and whatever else they can scrounge together, building roadside bombs out of HME in water jugs, and re-using our own equipment against us.  They're doing a pretty good job keeping things at a standstill there.

If you think the same thing couldn't be effective in the U.S, you're ignoring the reality of the situation.

I'm not saying a revolution is in the cards, nor that it should be, nor that it would EVER happen.  I'm just saying that if it DID happen, it would be an incredibly effective insurgency that the military would NOT be able to put down.
2013-09-17 01:50:28 PM  
1 votes:
blindio: you are an idiot if you think a bunch of civilians armed with assault rifles poses any threat whatsoever to the government in any real way.  Short of the entire US Military staging a coup, there is no internal threat of armed rebellion inside the united states being successful.  If you think that is plausible, you're probably too stupid to act responsibly with firearms and therefore you probably shouldn't have them.


Um...Iraq and Afghanistan would like to have a word with you.
2013-09-17 01:03:09 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: In the 30 years through March, 78 public mass shootings occurred in the U.S. -- incidents in which four or more people were killed at random by a gunman killing indiscriminately, according to a report issued that month by the Congressional Research Service.

The mass slaughters listed in the report caused the deaths of 547 people. Over the same three decades through 2012, that's less than a tenth of 1 percent of the 559,347 people the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates were murdered in America.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/mass-shootings-fuel-fear-ac co unt-for-fraction-of-murders.html

TL;DR version: The house is on fire!! Quick, load the dishwasher!!



It's almost enough to make one question the motives of those who wish to ban "assault weapons".

Almost.

But as usual, most Farkers are too busy with their emotionally fueled spasmic knee-jerking to pay attention to facts.
2013-09-17 12:41:41 PM  
1 votes:
In the 30 years through March, 78 public mass shootings occurred in the U.S. -- incidents in which four or more people were killed at random by a gunman killing indiscriminately, according to a report issued that month by the Congressional Research Service.

The mass slaughters listed in the report caused the deaths of 547 people. Over the same three decades through 2012, that's less than a tenth of 1 percent of the 559,347 people the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates were murdered in America.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/mass-shootings-fuel-fear-ac co unt-for-fraction-of-murders.html

TL;DR version: The house is on fire!! Quick, load the dishwasher!!
2013-09-17 01:45:08 AM  
1 votes:
There are some countries that have mandatory post-combat psychological evaluations with voluntary follow-ups.  But why pay for a program that will cost me another $10-20 a year when I can post a patriotic slogan on Facebook and attach a Chinese made flag* to the back of my Mexican-built pick-up sold by an Italian manufacturer and tell everyone that "I support 'Murica and the troops!" instead of actually doing it.

*The ones made in the USA cost more.  If I wanted to spend more for quality I wouldn't be in this WallyMart in the first place.
2013-09-17 01:44:44 AM  
1 votes:

howdoibegin: What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.


There are roughly 190 other countries.  Pick one.  Stay the fark in it.
2013-09-17 01:16:57 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: There is so much we don't know, but one thing we do know is that Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm. I'm a cruel-minded idiot who makes stupid vicious accusations

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Stop being an asshole.

You know what her history with being around people getting shot was.

STFU.
2013-09-17 12:34:59 AM  
1 votes:
What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.
2013-09-17 12:29:04 AM  
1 votes:

win95o: Godscrack: Thank goodness we have all these spy drones watching us, NSA eavesdropping and thousands of public/street cameras everywhere to spot these mass shooters before they strike.

Newsflash:  Contrary to the repeated assertions, NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.  Also, I don't think anyone believes that CC cameras are intended to stop mass shootings, but they're useful for evidence after a crime has been committed.


That's the stupidest statement I've ever read.

Go sit in the corner.

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2013-09-17 12:15:31 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: this gentleman likely did NOT have the legal right to possess firearms AT ALL

Cite?

Did you notice the word likely in the above sentence?

And is there something wrong with YOUR CITE - according to which this clown walked outside his house in 2004 and shot out the tires of a construction worker's vehicle because he didn't like where they parked and "said they had "disrespected him"???

Not sure where you think you are going with this, but if he wasn't recognized as a dangerous lunatic and prohibited from legally possessing firearms after that incident, I don't know who would be. And if he wasn't, then the Seattle cops farked up big-time, as did the navy, who allowed him to join 3 years later, apparently FAILING to do research of public records that any simpleton could perform in an afternoon.

In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?

We need more gun laws, because if only this clown had obeyed the existing law(s), none of this would have happened.


This really got me.

Seattle is so anti-gun it is not Farking funny. Why did they let him go?

Kerliskowski (sic), our nation turns it's angry eye towards you.
2013-09-17 12:01:52 AM  
1 votes:

win95o: NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.


bestforfilm.com
2013-09-16 11:37:27 PM  
1 votes:
How is it a cowardly act to attack a military target?
2013-09-16 11:14:21 PM  
1 votes:

LesserEvil: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

It's the navy.

A friend of the family said he once stood guard duty at a naval base in Italy when he was a sailor - and they gave him a wooden mockup of a rifle to carry.

Marines only guard important naval assets - we didn't even provide security at the Charleston Naval Base when I visited there on a few occasions (They were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.


And we Marines were never given rounds for our weapons. But we always had the K-Bar.

I would have beaten anyone that tried to take my weapon, I had to sign for it, and if I lost it, well, they didn't really cost that much, and I am sure they would let you make payments on it. They would take it right out of your inmate account at FT Leavenworth.
2013-09-16 11:06:38 PM  
1 votes:

unamused: Amos Quito: Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm.

You do realize that now, due to you, millions of people will possibly go without dinner.

//Asshole


I dunno about that.  After reading that post I got hungry for grilled cheese sandwiches.
2013-09-16 10:57:30 PM  
1 votes:

OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.  Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment.  Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

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I work as a Social Worker in the DC Child Welfare System. We have mostly therapeutic kids who are teenagers and have multiple mental health diagnoses. You have to be buzzed into our office. The other day I was trying to open the door for a client and I accidentally hit the police panic button. Our office is about 5 blocks from a police station. We stood in the lobby trying to figure out if I actually set it off or not, but after about 5 minutes we figured since no one showed we were fine. AN HOUR LATER two police officers knock on the door and ask if someone called the police from our location.

I had to call 911 today because someone car jacked a lady and took off through the intersection only to plow into another lady driving across the intersection. I thought the lady was going to be shot when the three teenagers got out and looked so pissed off. However two of them just jumped over the wrecked cars and they all ran for it. They would have hit me if I hadn't been screwing with my GPS and hesitated before starting at the light. I didn't get out of the car as I was in Congress Heights/Bellevue. Took a while for the police to show up to that too. Even though I left the lady who got hit screaming in her car and stayed in mine around the corner while calling. Fire trucks showed up within 5 minutes though.

My point is there is a very good reason the Metro Police Chief said to combat theft on trains passengers should not use their phones or tablets instead of actually targeting the thieves. Not a lot of help coming if you need it here.
2013-09-16 10:56:56 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: The "more legal" way is for the FFL holder to buy the firearm, not for himself, but for a third party, as a gift, because that makes the FFL holder the "legitimate" end user. If the gift recipient then turns around and sells the gun to someone else... Well...

I am pretty sure it doesn't work that way, anything that goes through the FFLs hands goes in his book. Everything you own personally goes into that book as soon as you get your FFL. Location doesn't matter.


This is incorrect.  Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory.  This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Anything purchased after the FFL received their license must go into the A&D ("Bound Book") only if the FFL was used to make the purchase.  The FFL holder can still purchase a firearm as a regular person (i.e: NICS check plus whatever state regulations may apply) and never have the firearm show up in the book at all.
2013-09-16 10:45:49 PM  
1 votes:

Turbo Cojones: Thirty private ads for guns in the latest issue, and three even state "No ID required"


You mean like back when America was a free country and we didn't have constant mass shootings?


//1960s you could order a gun through the Sears catalog and the mailman would leave it on your porch.
2013-09-16 10:18:24 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Busy elsewhere all day, so late to the conversation, but...

* Mass shooting

* In Washington DC

* Over 13 dead, 14 injured

* Assault weapon involved...

There is so much we don't know, but one thing we do know is that Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm.


At least she has her damn booger hook off the bang switch in that pic:
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2013-09-16 10:06:47 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Do you have any idea how much a 20 ct. box of solid copper 30.06 costs? $50. Meanwhile a box of the same in FMJ lead is $17. 3x the price. There's a reason why meth-heads steal copper, that stuff is expensive. It will have the effect of pricing most hunters out of the game in California.


Nobody's talking about limiting what you use at the range, only in the field. How many rounds do you actually fire at game during a season?

California banned lead shot for waterfowl hunting more than twenty years ago, and it didn't kill the sport.
2013-09-16 10:03:55 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Into the blue again: [Updated at 9:37 p.m. ET] The AR-15 rifle that Alexis is accused of using was purchased recently at a store in northern Virginia, an FBI source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Pamela Brown.

 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/16/several-injured-at-washington- d-c -navy-yard-after-shots-fired/

NBC says shotgun purchased in VA, rifle acquired from gun safe onsite.


if I had to choose I would choose not cnn. Thanks!
2013-09-16 10:01:06 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: You mean the non-penalty for something of which the government never has any knowledge?


you mean the very real penalty if after a crime the gun is linked back to the seller who can be shown to have sold to a non-resident
2013-09-16 10:00:54 PM  
1 votes:

Into the blue again: [Updated at 9:37 p.m. ET] The AR-15 rifle that Alexis is accused of using was purchased recently at a store in northern Virginia, an FBI source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Pamela Brown.

 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/16/several-injured-at-washington- d-c -navy-yard-after-shots-fired/


NBC says shotgun purchased in VA, rifle acquired from gun safe onsite.
2013-09-16 09:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

Turbo Cojones: Kuroshin: Let's be honest here though...  A private party seller has no reason to bother checking, as there is no enforcement whatsoever.  It's a flea market.

Honesty from that side?  Not bloody likely friend!  Most private sales here originate in the "Bargain Trader" which is a newspaper that is distributed free at different locations.  Thirty private ads for guns in the latest issue, and three even state "No ID required".


Yes, honesty from that side.  I'm on "that side" FWIW.  I'm more concerned with cleaning my own house.  People have become reflexively defensive, resulting in being obtuse for the sake of standing up for "what's right."  The problem is people making this shiat about *SIDES*, rather than rights and solutions to problems.  Honest discourse has gone out the window due to the gun-grabber lobby and the gun-nut lobby spinning the goddamn media into a farking frenzy.

Illicit sales *do* happen, in the open, without any fear of repercussion.  They happen between otherwise legal gun owners, not just crims looking for a heater.  I've got five to my name, two of which are "paperless".  One was absolutely stolen (was recovered, then given back because they got more than the piece of junk was worth out of the thief's hide), while the other is just a pawn shop toy.  Only one of those five has a solid trail of ownership, because it's had precisely one owner: me.

But I'm also a responsible owner, who keeps his own house in order.  I keep S/Ns recorded, weapons dismantled and/or locked, and do try to limit who knows what is where.  I have only had to draw one in anger, and it resulted in an otherwise peaceful result (dude got the police after him).

I won't be dishonest about this crcap, and I won't abide dishonesty from others - regardless of their leanings.
2013-09-16 09:50:36 PM  
1 votes:
[Updated at 9:37 p.m. ET] The AR-15 rifle that Alexis is accused of using was purchased recently at a store in northern Virginia, an FBI source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation told CNN's Pamela Brown.

 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/16/several-injured-at-washington- d-c -navy-yard-after-shots-fired/
2013-09-16 09:49:38 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: Elegy: MFAWG: Elegy: MFAWG: Can somebody source the following:

He was Buddhist.

He was DISHONORABLY discharged from the Navy.

And the whole 'stole a guards automatic weapon'.

Thanks.

Do your own research.

And - oh yes - you welch on bets made with other farkers.

I can't buy you something you already have.

Now go fark yourself.

I already have it because someone else took pity on me when you wouldn't honor our bet.
After, I might add, you said "oh yeah, I'm paying for it right now" and 16 hour later... Nothing.

Must be nice to have no morals and feel no regret about lying to people.

Tell me why we should trust your word about anything?

Go read the thread again.

And then go fark yourself.



I was there. In the thread. I saw Elegy call you on your bet - and he linked to the thread where the bet was made. I saw you promise to pay up, and then saw you welch.

I then saw another fine upstanding Farker (C K) step in and buy the TF for Elegy - not out of pity, I suspect, but because like me, he appreciates Elegy's contributions to the threads.

You still owe Elegy a month of TF, MFAWG - unless you plan to file for Farkruptcy.
2013-09-16 08:45:34 PM  
1 votes:

mizchief: The point is you try to blame this on "gun nuts"


Oh, oh... god no. I blame this on a lunatic with a shotgun. YOU didn't shoot anybody. I didn't shoot anybody. Wayne LaPierre, whatever completely farkwit, brainless, dickhead, retard, idiotic, mindless, proverbial-cock-sucking, shiat-for-brained, imbecilic, fartthought tendecies he might have didn't shoot anyone. God no.

A mentally unstable lunatic with a shotgun did this and I blame him.

I blame the fact that the lunatic got the shotgun on gun nuts.
2013-09-16 08:37:00 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: See, that reasoning doesn't hold water.  If a carry piece is ever to be used for its intended purpose, it is going to be used in a very public setting.


And I'd be willing to bet that a past hunting license is a qualifying document to get a shall issue permit, as it is in many states. The safety principles still apply.
2013-09-16 08:35:17 PM  
1 votes:

minoridiot: FTFA: He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Also FTFA: "Alexis was in the Navy from 2007 to 2011".What are the odds they couldn't take away his right to firearms because he needed access to them for his job?

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
2013-09-16 08:23:07 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: My original point was that the "Slippery slope" argument being false isn't the case when the elements of the slippery slope arguments are true.

The end result in the ban of lead bullets (not shot as some people have been saying which was never my argument) is that there will be less hunters out there and the people who can afford it least are the ones who most likely need the food the most. In addition without the hunters culling the herds the wild animal populations will explode and that won't be pretty at all plus it means that the state and feds parks dept's will have to take up the slack, which will also draw from the taxpayers coffers. Add in the loss of revenue for the state not only from hunting permits but also sales taxes and so on that hunting generates and there's no good reason for a statewide ban of lead bullets for hunting.

It's not just the extra costs to the hunters but also the costs to the state and lost revenue because of that extra cost that make it a bad idea in my opinion. The people who pushed this bill knew what the end results would be but they let their anti-gun\anti-hunter feelings get in the way of a bit of common sense and long term thinking.


That's stretching. Gas prices affect hunters more than that. Plus every hunter I know at least gets their limit, unless the weather sucks. They are usually giving meat away. There is the issue that most food charities aren't set up to take in wild game, otherwise they would have all the game they could handle.

It's not a food issue, no matter how hard people want to stomp on it. Maybe a wildlife management thing, in the short term, but that would even itself out in time (In keeping with the hands off everything conservative ethos).

There is no good argument for it. Sorry. It's like arguing for lead in gasoline or asbestos in insulation. It's the way it used to be done, but that does not mean it's the right way.
2013-09-16 08:19:29 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: trolling


Whatever you want to call it, sunshine. I'd suggest your unrealistic belief that sensible gun control is, not only misguided, but, given the prevailing attitude, trolling.

It will not happen. This is America. Our democracy has chosen this, as is its right. Accept it. If a classroom full of dead eight year olds won't sway the lunatics, upon what insane optimism do you base your approach during this "tragedy"?
2013-09-16 08:15:05 PM  
1 votes:

PainfulItching: He was Audie Murphy? Kidding. But a lot of folks went through that same thing. He probably could fish as well. But there are safeguards in place now (food stamps, etc) that are supposed to catch those things, and at least keep 14 year olds from having to stalk small game for sustenance.

Of course, those same people would rather spend their last pennies on ammo instead of applying for any kind of government help.


This much is very true.  All of my family (including myself, FWIW) are much too proud to go for government hand-outs.  I spent two years on the street, and couldn't bring myself to go for aid.

However, all but a small number (less than five) of them were perfectly happy paying into SS and other programs to help those in need.  It a mentality of "I understand that others need help, but I'm going to make it or die trying."  No judgement, no turning the poor into some evil villainous leech, just a simple "I'm happy to help, but I'll go my own way, thanks."

/just how pig-headed some of us are
//doing much better now
2013-09-16 07:57:01 PM  
1 votes:

LL316: Close minded


Indifferent.

Important distinction. I mock because I accept the inevitability of these events. We've chosen, as a nation, to enable them so that a few people don't have to worry about black helicopters and paperwork.

This is not a tragedy. This is a semi-common event that we choose to allow so that some people can buy guns for hobby purposes slightly quicker and I won't pretend otherwise.
2013-09-16 07:53:03 PM  
1 votes:

PainfulItching: Radioactive Ass: PainfulItching: Gee, I'd love to collect classic Corvettes, but if they were only 1/3rd the price I'd be able to. There is a conspiracy to keep me out of the classic car market. My freedoms are being infringed upon!!! I'm guaranteed the pursuit of happiness! The only thing standing in the way is the price. I have a clean criminal record and a the proper license. The demand for my hobby is higher than the supply! I'm being oppressed!! If only I had an organization to lobby congress on my behalf.

Not a good analogy. This is like suddenly tripling the prices of all cars no matter what the make and model (to use your car example). Not all hunters do it for a hobby just like not all people who own cars do it to have a classic car. For many it's a tool (hunting for food or driving to get to work).

Derptastic response though...

You realize how ridiculous the "Mah bullets is too expensive!" argument sounds to me right? It's the price of doing business. If you need a gun to be a hunter/gatherer and you can't afford ammo, you need to start sharpening sticks and plant a garden.

I'm no hypocrite here. I just understand that it's going to be more expensive to buy ammo for mine too. Gas is more expensive for my (not a Corvette) car than it was a few years back as well.


Now, don't get me wrong here, because there are precious few people these days who hunt for food using firearms that don't have other, cheaper options available already (we aren't counting poachers).  Hooowwwwever...

My great-grandpa did do exactly that.  The price of ammo (.22LR, to be exact) was so steep that his family couldn't afford for him to miss.  One bullet represented more than a day's income for them, so he had to make it count.  Pointed sticks would have been his go-to, if they were realistically an option (they eventually were - he got a nice bow years later).

What's the point in that?

'Unno.  Nothin' I guess.  Jacked up price of ammo just brought it to mind.  He was a really ace shot.  Family didn't go without at least some squirrel several times per week.  The Great Depression kinda did a lot of families in back then.
2013-09-16 07:51:16 PM  
1 votes:
You buy whatever gun or carbine you want, but there's a mandated training program made available through local gun ranges at low/free cost on handling, care and safety.  Would that be acceptable?  Table licensing for now; just ensure that who buys the gun is also taught to handle and respect the gun.  Previous purchasers can keep a verifiable receipt and not have to take a repeat course.

Guns don't bother me.  Lack of discipline is really getting on my nerves.
2013-09-16 07:46:26 PM  
1 votes:

tetsoushima: This was pretty good, but I'm sure the next one will be even better.


Yup, and the next one after that.

They keep saying on TV "What a tragedy. Oh, this is such a tragedy."

This is NOT a tragedy* -- This is an INEVITABILITY!!!

As long as mental health is non-existent and guns are ever-present, this is the way America is and will continue to be. Get used to it.


*except for the dead and their families
2013-09-16 07:44:43 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: PainfulItching: Gee, I'd love to collect classic Corvettes, but if they were only 1/3rd the price I'd be able to. There is a conspiracy to keep me out of the classic car market. My freedoms are being infringed upon!!! I'm guaranteed the pursuit of happiness! The only thing standing in the way is the price. I have a clean criminal record and a the proper license. The demand for my hobby is higher than the supply! I'm being oppressed!! If only I had an organization to lobby congress on my behalf.

Not a good analogy. This is like suddenly tripling the prices of all cars no matter what the make and model (to use your car example). Not all hunters do it for a hobby just like not all people who own cars do it to have a classic car. For many it's a tool (hunting for food or driving to get to work).

Derptastic response though...


You realize how ridiculous the "Mah bullets is too expensive!" argument sounds to me right? It's the price of doing business. If you need a gun to be a hunter/gatherer and you can't afford ammo, you need to start sharpening sticks and plant a garden.

I'm no hypocrite here. I just understand that it's going to be more expensive to buy ammo for mine too. Gas is more expensive for my (not a Corvette) car than it was a few years back as well.
2013-09-16 07:42:29 PM  
1 votes:

xalres: Radioactive Ass: Surpheon: The derp is strong with this one. Copper bullets may be a greater risk to start forest fires, but they are not regulated at all. Just another blatant lie from the right wing.

Do you have any idea how much a 20 ct. box of solid copper 30.06 costs? $50. Meanwhile a box of the same in FMJ lead is $17. 3x the price. There's a reason why meth-heads steal copper, that stuff is expensive. It will have the effect of pricing most hunters out of the game in California. That's not only a whole lot of revenue from hunting permits that will go away but also all of the side private businesses that rely upon hunters for their income. The only cheap alternative is, as I said before, steel and those are heavily regulated in their manufacture because they also have the side effect of being considered armor piercing rounds. The only derp here is yours in not knowing about the issue before you opened your mouth on it.

I read that the reason they're banning the lead bullets is because hunters are being irresponsible and leaving them with the guts and other field dressing detritus for things like condors to eat.


Copper bullets? Never heard of them. What's wrong with steel?

IIRC, lead shot have been banned in many jurisdictons because waterfowl, scavengers and predators, swallow them and are poisoned by the lead. Lead is poison to everybody, including hunters and their friends and families.  Steel, on the other hand, is not so dangerous to living things and will rust away slowly.

Lead has one advantage and that is its weight. Mind you, depleted uranium is also weighty and possibly less dangerous than lead. Possibly. Most of the trans-uranic elements are toxic.

I learned about the lead issue when I was working for Environment Canada many, many years ago. Well, to be honest, in the 1980s. You can't use lead shot to hunt birds in Canada (since 1995, see below), where guns are more common than in the US according to Conservative propaganda, and the long gun registry failed because of vast amounts of propaganda and money from Conservatives.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Lead+shot+banned+all+across+Canada.-a0 30 032642

Get with the program, America. There's no real sane or pratical reason for a poisonous heavy metal to ever come near your food. Steal will do.
2013-09-16 07:37:25 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: xalres: I read that the reason they're banning the lead bullets is because hunters are being irresponsible and leaving them with the guts and other field dressing detritus for things like condors to eat.

It's not lead. It's DDT (again). Link. Lead bullets are already banned in Condor preserves and have been for 5 years. This ban is for all hunting anywhere in the state.


It's both. DDT from seal carcasses for the coastal birds and lead from ammunition for the inland birds.
2013-09-16 07:35:09 PM  
1 votes:

mizchief: That and defending ourselves against a tyrannical government which unfortunately seems to become more necessary each day.


WAAAAHHH THE TYRANNICAL WASHINGTON NAVY YARD IS OPPRESSING MEEEEEEEEEE
2013-09-16 07:31:11 PM  
1 votes:
The problem is clearly American gun laws, not the fact a guy with a shotgun could rack up this kind of a bodycount at a military facility of what is supposed to be the strongest military on Earth. No enemies taking note of this, no sir.
2013-09-16 07:29:07 PM  
1 votes:

mizchief: Godscrack: The shooter
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NRA strikes again.

That won't work, liberals can't admit that there are any black conservatives.


There are black conservatives. There. Done.

There are a few percent contrarians every where. There were even Jews who joined the Nazi Party to avoid ending up in death camps.

If 95% of blacks were Democrats or Liberals (that figure seems to apply only to Washingon, DC) 5% of the politicially active population would be about right for the Contrarian minority.

P.S. Will you stop telling me what I can or can not think, feel, or do? Because you're obviously really bad at it.

Clarence Thomas is a black conservative. Uncle Ruckus is a black conservative. That rich pizza nut is a black conservative. And what's the name of that really flakey one, Waits or Watts or Willnots or whatever? I can name lots of black conservatives. Almost all of them, apparently. There's a Hell of a lot of black Baptists and Pentecostals.

Did you know that the Founder of the Pentecostal sect was black? Ironic, isn't it? Given how many of those Pennies are racist crackers and how segregated conservatve churches are, yea unto this very day.
2013-09-16 07:25:52 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: Do you have any idea how small the numbers from all those events put together are compared to the non-gun violence going on in the inner city every day?


Then you shouldn't mind being proud of the accomplishment.

As to the rest of your charge, I'm not too dumb to think we can't tackle more than one problem at a time as a society so as far as I'm concerned your argument can be written off carte blanche.

Regardless, I could give fark all about gun control at this point so don't lob bullshiat accusations at me about my motivations. I'm more than happy to admit that you nuts have won this debate decisively and there's no point in rehashing it.

I'm also more than happy to remind you of all the dead people that your victories have earned. Just think of the literal MINUTES of time saved next time you go to buy a gun. Be sure to thank the victims' families, by the way, for their noble sacrifice in the name of your personal convenience at the nearby Wal Mart.
2013-09-16 07:24:36 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: Hella Fark: shiat, another shooting. when will people get that...

Assault Rifles Enable Idiots To Take More Lives

regulate the weapon or the idiots that can own them. pick one.

I guess you missed that he used a shotgun? He killed a guard and stole the guard's rifle, so remind me what limit on assault rifles would have prevented this? Ban police and military from carrying them because some nut with a lesser weapon could steal it?


Enough with your facts!  There's a gun control opportunity here!
2013-09-16 07:18:31 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: badhatharry: Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.

This point has already been made but most people in the military aren't trained in dealing with situations such as what happened today. Having a bunch of people walking around with weapons in case of a situation like this who aren't trained to deal with it could easily lead to it being worse.


Citation, please.

I mean - you must have a number of examples where this did happen, as every state in the US now has some form of concealed carry permit.

Right?
2013-09-16 07:17:14 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.


Not me.

Devout Buddhists are always setting themselves on fire. I'm tired of that passive-aggressive stuff. I want to see more Buddhists shoot people.

They should at least catch up to the Orthodox Jews or Amish. Christians and Muslims have way too much of a head start and the Hindus and Confucians aren't far behind.

Live once in a while. Shoot the place up. You've got lots of lives left.
2013-09-16 07:12:07 PM  
1 votes:
Elegy:

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2013-09-16 07:08:01 PM  
1 votes:
shiat, another shooting. when will people get that...

Assault Rifles Enable Idiots To Take More Lives

regulate the weapon or the idiots that can own them. pick one.
2013-09-16 07:05:05 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident

Cite?



Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard gunman, involved in prior shooting
2013-09-16 07:00:41 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

They also consider us a little extreme in our free speech, property rights and privacy issues when you look at their "hate speech", private property and privacy laws.

You also sound racist if you hate our gun culture


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2013-09-16 07:00:25 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal


No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.
2013-09-16 06:51:00 PM  
1 votes:

Snarfangel: Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?

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Gary Larson may be God in human form, he stops by to write a few thousand (or hundreds?) comics just to fark with us, point out how stupid we are and that's exactly how he intended us to be.
2013-09-16 06:48:18 PM  
1 votes:
New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.
2013-09-16 06:47:34 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: Home safe.  Family freaked out.  All things considered, I'd rather have been in lockdown in building 201 than have had to flee 197 and get home sooner.


kity hugs u and your family
2013-09-16 06:46:26 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: banning lead bullets for hunting which has the side effect of essentially banning hunting because all of the alternatives are considered armor piercing and are subject to federal regulation (and they aren't issuing any federal permits for their manufacture and sale to hunters)


The derp is strong with this one. Copper bullets may be a greater risk to start forest fires, but they are not regulated at all. Just another blatant lie from the right wing.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2011/12/15/boddington-on-non-lead-bul le ts/
http://huntingwithnonlead.org/bullet_types.html
2013-09-16 06:46:03 PM  
1 votes:
I was in the Air Force in the early 80s. I bought a 6 inch Gerber survival knife at the Base Exchange. I couldn't take it into the dorms as weapons were banned from the dorms. I locked it under my motorcycle seat when I was there. When I was traveling on or off base I carried it on my hip so I wasn't carrying a concealed  weapon. I was stopped at the front gate by a female gate guard who had no idea that it was allowed on base, and she called her sergeant out to the gate. He took me aside and told me I was doing the right thing, but to keep the knife from causing a problem I should put it under my seat when I came on base. I wonder what it's like on bases today.
2013-09-16 06:40:17 PM  
1 votes:
I think we should start using a massacre scale, akin to the Fujita scale for tornadoes (F0-F5) and the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale (Category 1 - 5).

"S" could be the suffix, for "severity." I'll throw some numbers out there.

• S0: 2-3 deaths.
• S1: 4-6 deaths.
• S2: 6-10 deaths.
• S3: 10-20 deaths.
• S4: 20-40 deaths.
• S5: 40-80 deaths.
• S6: 80-150 deaths.
• S7: 150-500 deaths.
• S8: 500-1000 deaths.
• S9: 1000-5000 deaths.
• S10: 5000-25000 deaths.
• S11: 25000 - 100,000 deaths.
• S12: 100K - 500K deaths.
• S13: > 500K deaths
2013-09-16 06:30:30 PM  
1 votes:

PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?


Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.
2013-09-16 06:23:57 PM  
1 votes:

atomicmask: All of them, you farking moron,


don't know much about the military do you?
2013-09-16 06:22:26 PM  
1 votes:
Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?
2013-09-16 06:19:56 PM  
1 votes:

xalres: There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.


How about two dead and nine injured
2013-09-16 06:16:20 PM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it


You make a good case for banning all guns. Bravo.
2013-09-16 06:15:08 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


None, at least by the navy. They are trained in their use as a part of their regular duties and of course that carries over to their personal life but even on a warship not everyone is qualified to shoot, just the ones who might need to have a weapon as a part of their job. Sitting in an office at NAVSEA isn't one of those types of jobs. In fact as I mentioned above a shipyard is probably the least likely military facility to have armed people other than at the gates.
2013-09-16 06:13:03 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.


Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it
2013-09-16 06:12:24 PM  
1 votes:
We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
2013-09-16 06:12:07 PM  
1 votes:
Home safe.  Family freaked out.  All things considered, I'd rather have been in lockdown in building 201 than have had to flee 197 and get home sooner.
2013-09-16 06:10:40 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.


There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.
2013-09-16 06:09:37 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.


Begin the countdown to news that he was nowhere near New York on 9/11/2001. Bets?
2013-09-16 06:08:35 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.


if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.
2013-09-16 06:05:31 PM  
1 votes:

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


you realize he was on a military installation so the local laws aren't an issue right?
2013-09-16 06:00:06 PM  
1 votes:

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


yeah - all those armed guards around the base sure worked out great...maybe we should start arming cube dwelling IT guys too, just to make sure this can't happen again.
2013-09-16 05:53:15 PM  
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Suspect In Navy Yard Attack Previously Arrested In Seattle For "Anger-Fueled" Shooting


Forget how "easy" it is to get a gun in America, how easy is it to get a job as a federal contractor?
2013-09-16 05:51:14 PM  
1 votes:
2013-09-16 05:50:47 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.


It appears the shooter armed himself with a high capacity semi-automatic pistol and an AR-15 automatic assault rifle by taking the weapons from the police.

When are we going to enact commonsense gun control policies that encompass law enforcement?  The only purpose of an automatic assault rifle like an AR-15 is to kill large numbers of people in a short amount of time.  The police shouldn't have this kind of firepower.  The Boston Bombers, this guy, how many more people have to die from these weapons of war on our streets?
2013-09-16 05:49:00 PM  
1 votes:

Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?


It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.
2013-09-16 05:48:41 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

Yes, banned from carrying personal firearms on base.

So...a gun-free zone.  Where most mass shootings occur.


The point was more that it's simply a policy that matches the on base securing of issued firearms that existed well before Clinton.  There is now a uniform policy regarding firearms on base.
2013-09-16 05:47:20 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.
2013-09-16 05:46:56 PM  
1 votes:

IkilledLauraPalmer: So when do the Naval Yard Trutherstm start to come out of the woodwork?


False Jack!  False Jack!  False Jack!
2013-09-16 05:45:15 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: All2morrowsparTs: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

I call Bullshiate! I was in the Army in 1989 through 1991 and in the Airforce from then on. No body carried guns unless you were going to the range or to maneuvers. Even then ammunition was tightly controlled.

See above.  I'm not making it up.


Clinton's policy mostly codified a long-standing DoD policy. Very few commanders allowed people to carry personal weapons on base; all Clinton did was make it DoD-wide. Probably at the behest of the Pentagon; they don't want anybody armed who doesn't have clear orders.
2013-09-16 05:43:18 PM  
1 votes:
So when do the Naval Yard Trutherstm start to come out of the woodwork?
2013-09-16 05:42:17 PM  
1 votes:

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


No one is suggesting those are two pictures of the same person, I hope.
2013-09-16 05:40:21 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: OhioKnight: Knew it! Buddhist!

Religion of peace, my ass!

Buddhist scum.

At least he's the first name in serial killers.

they've been mass murdering in burma for a while now.


Not a good time to be a Tamil in Sri Lanka right now either... Or a Muslim in Southern Thailand.
2013-09-16 05:39:35 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.


nope.  sometimes all the training and gear in the world can't help you.  sometimes the bad guys win.
2013-09-16 05:38:53 PM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

Lulz whut? I've been in for awhile now and I don't remember anyone talking about the good old days when they could carry on base


When I was on a destroyer in 1985-86, we weren't allowed to carry KNIVES on the main naval base. Seriously, I almost had my working knife confiscated when I went over to the exchange; I talked him out of taking it because we were deploying the next day, and I had a chit to carry it on the ship as an E-3.

/Uncle Henry Bear Paw FTW.
//Deck ape.
2013-09-16 05:37:36 PM  
1 votes:
Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.
2013-09-16 05:35:17 PM  
1 votes:

James10952001: At least he wasn't using one of those scary lookin rifles. The victims would be so much more dead that way.



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2013-09-16 05:29:38 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.


As such a magnificent Internet Military Expert, have you offered your services to the Joint Chiefs of Staff yet? I'm sure they would much appreciate you explaining to them why they are so full of shiat for rationally evaluating a new regulation and deciding it was beneficial enough to keep for the last 20 years. Or you may just be a partisan asshole who only wants the regulation changed to score political points without the slightest interest in what the folk actually in charged of our base think about it.
2013-09-16 05:23:06 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.


Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.
2013-09-16 05:21:43 PM  
1 votes:
Not Happy enough, working part-time, on White Settlement Road, I guess...

media.dfw.com

/hot as 5mg Haldol IM
2013-09-16 05:17:35 PM  
1 votes:
I just hope nobody hurts the N.R.A.'s feelings in the aftermath of all this. Stuff like this happens, then someone has the temerity to politely suggest the organization might slightly modify some aspect of its goals and /or mission.

Then, as if that's not enough, some folks take it further and try to ram things down N.R.A. members' throats - and what have they done to hurt anybody??

I guess what I'm trying to say is, Won't somebody think of the N.R.A.?
2013-09-16 05:16:57 PM  
1 votes:

badhatharry: Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.


This point has already been made but most people in the military aren't trained in dealing with situations such as what happened today. Having a bunch of people walking around with weapons in case of a situation like this who aren't trained to deal with it could easily lead to it being worse.
2013-09-16 05:16:06 PM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Although that being said, I don't trust 99% of my brothers in arms with personal firearms.


This is the hilarious mischaracterization of this ban.  They make is sound nobody ever had to secure their firearms on base before Clinton.  However, the ban that went into effect was for personal firearms.  As far as I'm aware this had nothing to do with the securing of issued weapons on base, which is nothing new.
2013-09-16 05:15:59 PM  
1 votes:
I visit MCAS Miramar and NAS North Island quite frequently, and both have armed guards at the gates.  Once you're inside, it's a bunch of people working - they are not armed and expecting a war to come to them inasmuch as you would be a teller at a bank expecting the next person to walk through the door to rob you so you have your hand on your 9mm with every account transaction.
If, however,  someone tries this shiat up at Pendleton at the gunnery range, then the guy wouldn't have killed 12.   Perspective, people...
2013-09-16 05:15:07 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


And come to think of it, why didn't President Bush rescind this? He had the power to do so for 8 years. Even had homeland security on his side. Why is this Obama's fault?

This is disingenuous. If it's a problem and should have been fixed, it should have been fixed before Obama was even in office. The GOP had a chance to correct this horrible oversight.
2013-09-16 05:12:46 PM  
1 votes:

OhioKnight: Knew it! Buddhist!

Religion of peace, my ass!

Buddhist scum.

At least he's the first name in serial killers.


they've been mass murdering in burma for a while now.
2013-09-16 05:12:11 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban


If only we had a pro-gun Republican Congress with a borderline cowboy Texan President for 8 years - I'm sure they would have done something about it.
2013-09-16 05:12:09 PM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban

Well holy sh*t, I stand corrected

Although that being said, I don't trust 99% of my brothers in arms with personal firearms.

BUT, being in the Reserves we have a lot of police officers. They're legally allowed to carry outside of the gate but can't even bring their weapon on post. I'm in the process of becoming a cop in Maryland, I have to carry all the time so it's going to be a pain when going to drill and coming home.


And that's why the policy is retarded.  People who are qualified to carry should be allowed to carry.
2013-09-16 05:08:55 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?

It is a Fark Progressives greatest dream that one of these incidents will have been  perpetrated by a straight, white,  middle aged, male, tea party/NRA member, Christian, registered GOP, pro-lifer, having something to do with either the coal or oil industry.  Failing that they will settle for a disgruntled  now ex-government employee because of sequestration.

Given that the perp is a black American male and given  that they tend to vote Democrat in the 95% or better range I think the odds are better than average that the perp is a Democrat if he is a member of any political party

What I can't understand is why a Black American male would feel the need to do this seeing how much that demographics  conditions have improved under this administration.


Or maybe people with common sense understands that when someone goes batshiat with a gun, politics usually aren't involved.
2013-09-16 05:08:46 PM  
1 votes:

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


You are assuming that the permit was issued after the criminal activity occurred.
2013-09-16 05:04:27 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?

The Commander in Chief, Bill Clinton when it was enacted in 1993.


Riiiiight. Everybody in office buildings on base was armed before ol' Bill.
2013-09-16 05:04:22 PM  
1 votes:

LesserEvil: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

It's the navy.

A friend of the family said he once stood guard duty at a naval base in Italy when he was a sailor - and they gave him a wooden mockup of a rifle to carry.

Marines only guard important naval assets - we didn't even provide security at the Charleston Naval Base when I visited there on a few occasions (They were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.


The real security is usually local, and often civilian contractors. In Italy, the Italians would guard the outside perimeter, with the Americans working the less dangerous gate inside. Marines have been so busy down range that they've been taken off their traditional role of guarding extremely high-security installations, and the Navy has created a professional specialty rating of security police (instead of giving any random sailor a weapon, they way they did when I was ship's guard force on a destroyer in the '80s).

In Iraq, inside the Green Zone, the security guards were private contractor types, most of them from South America. It was more useful to know Spanish than Arabic.
2013-09-16 05:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


LMMFAO. I was stationed in Pearl Harbor during Reagan. SCOTUS had decided this long before I served.
2013-09-16 05:02:04 PM  
1 votes:

megarian: yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.

This^

Unfortunately nicely said, Mr or Ms yeabuddy.


agree.
2013-09-16 04:59:00 PM  
1 votes:
pbs.twimg.com
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2013-09-16 04:58:58 PM  
1 votes:
www.autoworld.com
R.I.P. A Lexus
2013-09-16 04:58:05 PM  
1 votes:
Time to take away the cops guns

" Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun, News4's Jackie Bensen reported. He shot a security officer in the head, killing him, and took his 9 mm pistol and a magazine of ammunition. The shooter then continued through the building, and seemed to target his victims, who were mostly on the third and fourth floors. D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department and several other law enforcement agencies responded with active shooter teams, Bensen said. During that response, a MPD officer was shot in the leg. The gunman was then shot by a FBI hostage response team, Bensen said. According to what witnesses are telling investigators, by the time the shootings ended, the gunman was seen with a semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle. Authorities are investigating whether the gunman took the D.C. police officers' rifle."

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/Confirmed-Shoote r- at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_MIB rand
2013-09-16 04:57:20 PM  
1 votes:
What someone that uses Buddhist meditation to focus his aggression might look like:

4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-09-16 04:56:59 PM  
1 votes:
I wish these disgruntled guys would just kill themselves and leave a strongly worded suicide note
2013-09-16 04:56:52 PM  
1 votes:

Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?


Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.
2013-09-16 04:56:33 PM  
1 votes:

yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.


Yup.
It's broken.
It's getting weirder. We're trying to "lead the world!" but our own house isn't in order.
2013-09-16 04:56:06 PM  
1 votes:
2013-09-16 04:55:42 PM  
1 votes:
if you squint at his picture he looks a little muslish
2013-09-16 04:54:37 PM  
1 votes:
OnlyM3: screed.

TL;DR
2013-09-16 04:53:06 PM  
1 votes:

OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns. Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment. Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.


In this case, police with guns were seconds away. The first thing he did was shoot the guy with the gun and take it. Gave him more ammo to kill innocent people.

Your argument is AWESOME!!!
2013-09-16 04:51:45 PM  
1 votes:

GRCooper: strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...

You do know you're arguing FOR Federal gun control, right?


I laugh every time I see the "gun-free zones caused this!" argument. They just don't realize how stupid it is.
2013-09-16 04:51:10 PM  
1 votes:

Obscene_CNN: Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!

Maybe I can. from the middle of the article

"Alexis, 34, of New York, was a Navy aviation electrician's mate, third class, who spent time in Texas and Illinois. It was not immediately clear if he was still enlisted. "


He lived in NY 10 years ago. He was arrested for firing his gun and evicted from his Fort Worth apt in 2010. I have no idea why Fox News would consider him from NY now...
2013-09-16 04:50:07 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: The military should be the MOST competent and trusted with firearms.


They are, that's why they don't let people who aren't trained specifically for certain situations from carrying weapons around bases and other installations. MPs can carry guns around, because they're part of their job and also because they're trained not only in using them but in dealing with various circumstances that may arise. Someone who spends their days sitting at a desk doing paper work may have gone and qualified at the range by that doesn't mean they're trained as the MPs are in how to deal with things, like someone walking around with a gun on base.
2013-09-16 04:50:05 PM  
1 votes:
as soon as i saw his pic, i felt a great disturbance at fox news - as if hundreds of boners stiffened in unison...
2013-09-16 04:48:48 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Reality has a known Liberal bias.
2013-09-16 04:46:01 PM  
1 votes:
Well, what's important here is that no guns were harmed and the right for loonies to own guns remain secure.

Twelve dead people? Small price to pay for the rights of homicidal lunatics to have guns.
2013-09-16 04:45:47 PM  
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

maybe we will get lucky and he left a manifesto somewhere.


Hardly matters anyhow. He could have a shelf of Hannity books and leave a manifesto saying that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. And no one would really care. Liberal media my ass.
2013-09-16 04:45:29 PM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.

You're probably right.


He may have been both. At the same time. Explains why he snapped.
2013-09-16 04:44:37 PM  
1 votes:

Prey4reign: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

This is because the military, unlike the redneck, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, gun-totin' rest of AMURICA practices gun control.


That's the most retarded thing I've ever read.  The military should be the MOST competent and trusted with firearms.  More evidence of the deranged idea that the firearm is the problem and not the capability of the carrier.
2013-09-16 04:43:40 PM  
1 votes:
He is from New York, so he didn't have a concealed weapons permit.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/
2013-09-16 04:42:51 PM  
1 votes:
Still can't wrap my head around the mentality.  "I want to not be alive anymore.  But before I go, I'd better be a tremendous asshole and ruin dozens of lives."  Don't think I'll ever understand that.  Assuming this was some lone disgruntled prick that is.
2013-09-16 04:42:29 PM  
1 votes:

vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.


And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.  It's a political decision not a common sense one.
2013-09-16 04:42:09 PM  
1 votes:

minoridiot: No, the Texas law includes class A and class B misdemeanors.


GC §411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
(1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
(2) is at least 21 years of age;
(3) has not been convicted of a felony;
(4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;
(5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense;

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf
2013-09-16 04:41:56 PM  
1 votes:

yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.


Sounds like it was probably a disgruntled worker, so I'll put my money on your horse.
2013-09-16 04:41:51 PM  
1 votes:

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Key word: should.
2013-09-16 04:41:28 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


This is because the military, unlike the redneck, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, gun-totin' rest of AMURICA practices gun control.
2013-09-16 04:40:56 PM  
1 votes:

walkerhound: Why wasn't anyone there ARMED?!?


It's a naval base. It's really a biotch carrying around ships while you work.
2013-09-16 04:40:50 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


If they don't like our laws, they should move to another cou...oh yeah.
2013-09-16 04:39:36 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.
2013-09-16 04:39:04 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


I feel your pain. It must suck to have facts and data consistently side with your opponents.
2013-09-16 04:37:53 PM  
1 votes:
Outlier! Statistical anomaly! Random isolated incident!

FALSE FLAG OPERATION!
2013-09-16 04:37:32 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


The unorganized militia.
2013-09-16 04:37:04 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:
One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.



If concealed carry weapon permits are banned only criminals ... never mind.
2013-09-16 04:36:24 PM  
1 votes:
I always get a kick when they interview the mass murderers' neighbors and they describe the suspects as "polite". Maybe it's just me, but shooting people seems to be the polar opposite of "polite".

How's does one go about politely kicking a puppy?

cdn.cutestpaw.comPLEASE TAKE THAT, Trayvon! Thank you.
2013-09-16 04:36:10 PM  
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.
2013-09-16 04:35:14 PM  
1 votes:
thyblackman.com

//where's your Zimmerman now?
2013-09-16 04:34:55 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


OMG LIBS LIBS LIBS BAAAAAH BIG PHARMA LIBS LIIIIIIIIIIBS THE GUBBMENT WANTS YOU TO GET VACCINES ERMAHGERD OFARKBINGO WANTS TO TAKE MAH GUNSSSS LIBSSSSS LIIIIIIIBS KILL EVERYONE ON WELFARE OMG LIIIIIIIIBS!! LIBS EVERYWHERE!
2013-09-16 04:34:23 PM  
1 votes:

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


FTA: Friends said he left the Navy because he didn't like to get up early.

i3.kym-cdn.com
2013-09-16 04:33:45 PM  
1 votes:
I'd like to know if there's any history of mental illness.  I know not all mass shooters like this are disturbed, but enough of them are that it warrants the question.
2013-09-16 04:33:33 PM  
1 votes:
He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

Way to go, Texas. 'tards.
2013-09-16 04:33:08 PM  
1 votes:
This is why I hang my hat in Tennesee.
2013-09-16 04:30:59 PM  
1 votes:

T-Servo: Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?

The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.


Since he's dead they had plenty of time to ID him as well.  Also find the reports of Multiple shooters HIGHLY unlikely at this point and bet they will end up being Fog of battle type stuff
2013-09-16 04:29:51 PM  
1 votes:
Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.
2013-09-16 04:29:35 PM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: ThatDarkFellow

If only they were armed
Would be good derp but for the fact that that this is a no guns allowed zone.



...except for the armed security.
2013-09-16 04:29:20 PM  
1 votes:

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


Thank goodness we know now.  I guess that settles it.  We will now have rampant violence against black buddhist Texans and Obamacare is a disaster.
2013-09-16 04:27:38 PM  
1 votes:

minoridiot: This should be impossible. Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


But what if I got that criminal record from some other state full of liberal queers?
2013-09-16 04:27:18 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


I know! why aren't there ever any abortion rampages!?
2013-09-16 04:27:15 PM  
1 votes:
Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.
2013-09-16 04:27:08 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


So, by inference, you're saying that "people not getting murdered with guns" is something that conservatives oppose?
2013-09-16 04:25:50 PM  
1 votes:
2013-09-16 04:24:27 PM  
1 votes:

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


www.keeptalkinggreece.com
2013-09-16 04:23:39 PM  
1 votes:
Why wasn't anyone there ARMED?!?
2013-09-16 04:22:40 PM  
1 votes:
WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?
 
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