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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 896
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2013-09-16 10:52:30 PM

undernova: ox45tallboy: undernova: My day at the Navy Yard

Have a month of TF for taking the time to post that update. I hope things work out well for you.

Thank you very much! I appreciate your generosity!


You're most welcome.
 
2013-09-16 10:54:32 PM

mizchief: I would agree that when you lock someone up because they are a danger to society you only let them out when they are reformed and pose no threat to the public. At that point reinstating his gun rights should follow. It's pretty dumb to let someone out of jail thinking that the only thing keeping him from shooting someone is a felony on his record. Just like how perverts shouldn't be let out of jail thinking that putting them on a naughty list and making them live under a bridge would prevent them from raping a child when they should really still be in jail.


Unfortunately, that would require a conditional form of release, rather than a time-served form of release.  Prisoners today are already rapidly taking advantage of all sorts of early release programs, just to get on the outside and continue their criminal careers.  To all available evidence, the only ones that actually rehabilitate are those that undergo a true change-of-heart, usually associated with finding religion.  There's just no way to satisfy the requirements of due process with a completely subjective assessment of "achieved rehabilitation".  If someone can come up with a test that can, with 95% accuracy, differentiate the truly penitent from the game-players, that would be enough for me to agree to a sentencing structure of 'until rehabilitated'.  And then, I'd demand refinements toward 99%.

Without that, however, we're stuck with what we have, as bad as it is.
 
2013-09-16 10:56:56 PM

Giltric: The "more legal" way is for the FFL holder to buy the firearm, not for himself, but for a third party, as a gift, because that makes the FFL holder the "legitimate" end user. If the gift recipient then turns around and sells the gun to someone else... Well...

I am pretty sure it doesn't work that way, anything that goes through the FFLs hands goes in his book. Everything you own personally goes into that book as soon as you get your FFL. Location doesn't matter.


This is incorrect.  Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory.  This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Anything purchased after the FFL received their license must go into the A&D ("Bound Book") only if the FFL was used to make the purchase.  The FFL holder can still purchase a firearm as a regular person (i.e: NICS check plus whatever state regulations may apply) and never have the firearm show up in the book at all.
 
2013-09-16 10:57:30 PM

OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.  Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment.  Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

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I work as a Social Worker in the DC Child Welfare System. We have mostly therapeutic kids who are teenagers and have multiple mental health diagnoses. You have to be buzzed into our office. The other day I was trying to open the door for a client and I accidentally hit the police panic button. Our office is about 5 blocks from a police station. We stood in the lobby trying to figure out if I actually set it off or not, but after about 5 minutes we figured since no one showed we were fine. AN HOUR LATER two police officers knock on the door and ask if someone called the police from our location.

I had to call 911 today because someone car jacked a lady and took off through the intersection only to plow into another lady driving across the intersection. I thought the lady was going to be shot when the three teenagers got out and looked so pissed off. However two of them just jumped over the wrecked cars and they all ran for it. They would have hit me if I hadn't been screwing with my GPS and hesitated before starting at the light. I didn't get out of the car as I was in Congress Heights/Bellevue. Took a while for the police to show up to that too. Even though I left the lady who got hit screaming in her car and stayed in mine around the corner while calling. Fire trucks showed up within 5 minutes though.

My point is there is a very good reason the Metro Police Chief said to combat theft on trains passengers should not use their phones or tablets instead of actually targeting the thieves. Not a lot of help coming if you need it here.
 
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2013-09-16 10:58:39 PM
Undernova:  Glad you're safe and out of harms way.

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2013-09-16 11:02:14 PM

Amos Quito: Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm.


You do realize that now, due to you, millions of people will possibly go without dinner.

//Asshole
 
2013-09-16 11:02:15 PM

undernova: My day at the Navy Yard

Had I gone in to do PT, as I'd planned the night before, I'd have been on the street right around 0820: shootin' time. Instead, I made it to my building by 0740 and went in to do some paperwork and take a shower in prep for work at 9.

Word traveled by 0845 that we were locked down. We never heard any shots or strange noises. Most of the media's camera angles for today were directly at my building - you can see it from M at the gate that served as the prime staging point. We spent the morning drifting slowly away from areas with windows, watching tv, telling inappropriate jokes and pacing around the building. We saw lots of shapes with rifles & riot gear passing by our windows, and occasionally someone would poke their head out from behind the curtains facing M to check out all the apparatus that had lined up. Lots of chopper noise, and I heard what had to be an assault vehicle making its way in. Morale was really high - our building is as secure as any, and even though we're right across the street from NAVSEA it was apparent that there were plenty of security assets running around, and unless it was a battalion of farkin' ninjas we were gonna be okay.

Still - when someone noticed the heavily armed 4 man crew taking cover by the cars directly in front of our entrance, it was time to move into the center of the building where there's no windows, 60 of us split between 2 rooms. We spent about 20 minutes there until we heard noises from inside the building and knew it wasn't any of our people - 5 or 6 guys making a pretty solid racket. This was around 1230.

Keeping in mind that we felt pretty secure in our building - at least gauged by group morale - things took a VERY quick turn for the surreal when security burst into our room, guns drawn/at the ready/fingers on the trigger and yelling for us to get down on the ground. I had my phone in hand when I made it onto the ground and slid under a riser - the base rent-a-cops don't always strike me ...


Have a peaceful rest of your life, thanks for sharing your story
 
2013-09-16 11:05:56 PM

skozlaw: Enemabag Jones: Second there are rational gunowners that are worried about gun owners rights. Then there are kneejerk NRA supporters that will disagree with anything, anything that restricts a gunowner's rights.

That really misses the point. The idiots who refuse EVERYTHING are an incredibly weak minority. The real problem is the HUGE number of indifferent idiots who SAY they want reasonable changes to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally ill but when it comes time to push for those things just yawns and turns away. A massive majority claims to want universal background checks, but if they have to actually DO something to make it happen, well fark that, so we don't get it because the 10-15% of nutjobs are the only ones who actually speak.

We don't get sensible gun regulation because of the huge majority of people who are too indifferent to act, not because the tiny minority of NRA-funded idiots has that much sway.


Uh, they're not a "tiny minority".  Notice that recall election, where the NRA ousted two Dems who'd voted for reasonable gun control after the Aurora massacre?

Well, even if you didn't, I guarantee every elected official in this country did.

Regardless of its merits, we ain't getting gun control.

Or even enforcement of the laws already on the books, since the Republicans block funding for that, too.
 
2013-09-16 11:06:38 PM

unamused: Amos Quito: Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm.

You do realize that now, due to you, millions of people will possibly go without dinner.

//Asshole


I dunno about that.  After reading that post I got hungry for grilled cheese sandwiches.
 
2013-09-16 11:12:21 PM

Skyd1v: This is incorrect.  Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory.  This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Anything purchased after the FFL received their license must go into the A&D ("Bound Book") only if the FFL was used to make the purchase.  The FFL holder can still purchase a firearm as a regular person (i.e: NICS check plus whatever state regulations may apply) and never have the firearm show up in the book at all.


This fellow FFL holder knows the score, and speaks truly. Are you an 01?
 
2013-09-16 11:14:21 PM

LesserEvil: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

It's the navy.

A friend of the family said he once stood guard duty at a naval base in Italy when he was a sailor - and they gave him a wooden mockup of a rifle to carry.

Marines only guard important naval assets - we didn't even provide security at the Charleston Naval Base when I visited there on a few occasions (They were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.


And we Marines were never given rounds for our weapons. But we always had the K-Bar.

I would have beaten anyone that tried to take my weapon, I had to sign for it, and if I lost it, well, they didn't really cost that much, and I am sure they would let you make payments on it. They would take it right out of your inmate account at FT Leavenworth.
 
2013-09-16 11:14:43 PM
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Error on a Lexus


/my apologies for the terrible pun
//unless it made you laugh
 
2013-09-16 11:16:05 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Yeah, if only Muslims were as homicidal as Republicans paint them! Right??
 
2013-09-16 11:16:19 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Skyd1v: This is incorrect.  Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory.  This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Anything purchased after the FFL received their license must go into the A&D ("Bound Book") only if the FFL was used to make the purchase.  The FFL holder can still purchase a firearm as a regular person (i.e: NICS check plus whatever state regulations may apply) and never have the firearm show up in the book at all.

This fellow FFL holder knows the score, and speaks truly. Are you an 01?


*Tips hat*

My FFL does indeed have that rather dubious distinction.  And yourself?
 
2013-09-16 11:16:59 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: this gentleman likely did NOT have the legal right to possess firearms AT ALL

Cite?


Did you notice the word likely in the above sentence?

And is there something wrong with YOUR CITE - according to which this clown walked outside his house in 2004 and shot out the tires of a construction worker's vehicle because he didn't like where they parked and "said they had "disrespected him"???

Not sure where you think you are going with this, but if he wasn't recognized as a dangerous lunatic and prohibited from legally possessing firearms after that incident, I don't know who would be. And if he wasn't, then the Seattle cops farked up big-time, as did the navy, who allowed him to join 3 years later, apparently FAILING to do research of public records that any simpleton could perform in an afternoon.

In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?

We need more gun laws, because if only this clown had obeyed the existing law(s), none of this would have happened.
 
2013-09-16 11:21:15 PM

Skyd1v: unamused: Amos Quito: Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm.

You do realize that now, due to you, millions of people will possibly go without dinner.

//Asshole

I dunno about that.  After reading that post I got hungry for grilled cheese sandwiches.


//Ralph!
 
2013-09-16 11:22:06 PM

Skyd1v: *Tips hat*

My FFL does indeed have that rather dubious distinction.  And yourself?


I'm but a lowly 03. Still, keeps me stacked in discounts from Midway and the such, and there's plenty of milsurp out there with my name on it.
 
2013-09-16 11:23:35 PM

Skyd1v: This is incorrect. Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory. This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)


Interesting.

Maybe it is time to submit my application.
 
2013-09-16 11:30:44 PM

MFAWG: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: this gentleman likely did NOT have the legal right to possess firearms AT ALL

Cite?

It's apparently very, very important for this guy not to have legally armed himself, for reasons which I cannot quite ascertain.

Guy went nuts and shot a bunch of people over what begins to sound like a payroll dispute.


Well, what would YOU do if you didn't want the shiatty farking dental plan and they still deduct the farking $24 a month from your farking checks! farking farks gonna pay!
 
2013-09-16 11:35:41 PM

Giltric: Maybe it is time to submit my application.


Going the 03 route, like I did, costs a mere $30 and is well worth it in dealer discounts alone.
 
2013-09-16 11:37:27 PM
How is it a cowardly act to attack a military target?
 
2013-09-16 11:39:52 PM

Amos Quito: In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?


How about VA?
 
2013-09-16 11:40:12 PM

Giltric: Skyd1v: This is incorrect. Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory. This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Interesting.

Maybe it is time to submit my application.


Isn't it like 10k a year or some crazy shiat like that? Or is that just the manufacturing license?
 
2013-09-16 11:42:40 PM

Apik0r0s: How is it a cowardly act to attack a military target?


It's just something people say. Like "Innocent until proven guilty" or "Land of the free" doesn't really mean anything but makes us feel better.
 
2013-09-16 11:46:56 PM

mizchief: Giltric: Skyd1v: This is incorrect. Anything owned by an FFL prior to receiving his license does NOT go into the A&D book unless it is being specifically transferred to inventory. This is mostly applicable to "Kitchen-table" dealers or those who have their shop attached to their house. (like me)

Interesting.

Maybe it is time to submit my application.

Isn't it like 10k a year or some crazy shiat like that? Or is that just the manufacturing license?




I don't know where you got that idea. It's a $200.00 fee for 3 years. Manufacturing licenses run between $30.00 to $3,000.00, depending on what you are making.

/other fees / tax stamps may also apply
 
2013-09-16 11:49:42 PM
FWIW, my boyfriend has several friends that knew this guy from his work at a Thai restaurant in DFW.

They're farking SHOCKED this shooter did this. One guy in particular is so shocked he wants video proof of the incident.

But all that aside, holy crimoney WHAT THE FARK is wrong with people these days?!
 
2013-09-16 11:51:40 PM

Snarfangel: HaywoodJablonski: White guy? White guy!

Only half white.

/the evil half.


He's white-HispanicAfrican-American, so it's OK to hate him.
 
Oak
2013-09-16 11:58:21 PM
We, as a society, have to do a better job of regruntling people.  Where was the regruntlement for this man when he needed it?
 
2013-09-16 11:59:14 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Giltric: Maybe it is time to submit my application.

Going the 03 route, like I did, costs a mere $30 and is well worthrs ryit in dealer discounts alone.




You also speak truth.

I got the 01 because I have a large-ish number of active and retired military who I do transfers for. These tend to be new from the factory type weapons, thus the need for the full FFL.

If I were just doing this for myself and "Freinds and Family" I would have gone with the C&R as well. Almost all of my personally owned firearms have manufacturing dates between 1861 and 1972 anyway. (excluding hunting iron)
 
2013-09-17 12:01:52 AM

win95o: NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.


bestforfilm.com
 
2013-09-17 12:11:32 AM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.

And my RPG has never been aimed at improper targets. I only blow up junked cars on the weekend. I am just angry I have to to to Liberia to do it. I want the right to blow up junk cars in the United States with an RPG.

I am tired of my personal freedoms being restricted.


Go ahead and buy you one then. Link
 
2013-09-17 12:15:31 AM

Amos Quito: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: this gentleman likely did NOT have the legal right to possess firearms AT ALL

Cite?

Did you notice the word likely in the above sentence?

And is there something wrong with YOUR CITE - according to which this clown walked outside his house in 2004 and shot out the tires of a construction worker's vehicle because he didn't like where they parked and "said they had "disrespected him"???

Not sure where you think you are going with this, but if he wasn't recognized as a dangerous lunatic and prohibited from legally possessing firearms after that incident, I don't know who would be. And if he wasn't, then the Seattle cops farked up big-time, as did the navy, who allowed him to join 3 years later, apparently FAILING to do research of public records that any simpleton could perform in an afternoon.

In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?

We need more gun laws, because if only this clown had obeyed the existing law(s), none of this would have happened.


This really got me.

Seattle is so anti-gun it is not Farking funny. Why did they let him go?

Kerliskowski (sic), our nation turns it's angry eye towards you.
 
2013-09-17 12:24:31 AM

Slam1263: Amos Quito: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: this gentleman likely did NOT have the legal right to possess firearms AT ALL

Cite?

Did you notice the word likely in the above sentence?

And is there something wrong with YOUR CITE - according to which this clown walked outside his house in 2004 and shot out the tires of a construction worker's vehicle because he didn't like where they parked and "said they had "disrespected him"???

Not sure where you think you are going with this, but if he wasn't recognized as a dangerous lunatic and prohibited from legally possessing firearms after that incident, I don't know who would be. And if he wasn't, then the Seattle cops farked up big-time, as did the navy, who allowed him to join 3 years later, apparently FAILING to do research of public records that any simpleton could perform in an afternoon.

In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?

We need more gun laws, because if only this clown had obeyed the existing law(s), none of this would have happened.

This really got me.

Seattle is so anti-gun it is not Farking funny. Why did they let him go?

Kerliskowski (sic), our nation turns it's angry eye towards you.


Really?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/28/private-buyers-invade-sea tt le-gun-buyback-offer-cash-for-firearms-that-would-otherwise-be-destroy ed-by-police/

That shiat was awesome..
 
2013-09-17 12:27:05 AM
Enemabag Jones: James10952001
EatenTheSun
I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.
And my RPG has never been aimed at improper targets. I only blow up junked cars on the weekend. I am just angry I have to to to Liberia to do it. I want the right to blow up junk cars in the United States with an RPG.
I am tired of my personal freedoms being restricted.
Go ahead and buy you one then. Link

That is beautiful. I like what appears to be the Islamic writing on the insulating wood barrel.
 
2013-09-17 12:29:04 AM

win95o: Godscrack: Thank goodness we have all these spy drones watching us, NSA eavesdropping and thousands of public/street cameras everywhere to spot these mass shooters before they strike.

Newsflash:  Contrary to the repeated assertions, NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.  Also, I don't think anyone believes that CC cameras are intended to stop mass shootings, but they're useful for evidence after a crime has been committed.


That's the stupidest statement I've ever read.

Go sit in the corner.

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2013-09-17 12:32:11 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Amos Quito: In any case, we know that possession of firearms sans a nearly impossible to get "permit" is illegal in DC, don't we?


How about VA?


Good point!

What about the Veteran's Administration?

Various news sources are saying that the shooter suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. What did the VA do for him?

We spend BILLIONS for bombs, but don't spend SQUAT for those that suffer the physical and emotional injury.

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/What about West Virginia?
 
2013-09-17 12:32:19 AM

Kuroshin: I won't be dishonest about this crcap, and I won't abide dishonesty from others - regardless of their leanings.


Hey, thanks for being an responsible owner.
 
2013-09-17 12:34:59 AM
What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:22 AM

howdoibegin: What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.


Would as where your from, but I don't care. No body cares.
 
2013-09-17 12:42:55 AM

Amos Quito: Various news sources are saying that the shooter suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.


Probably should've just gone to the range with a couple of buddies for some therapy.
 
2013-09-17 12:48:48 AM
The most chilling thing I learned from undernova's post is that situations of random multiple shootings can bring about immediate repercussions.

Suppose the scene is "secured" by personnel who don't have the highest training for such a task, and an innocent bystander twitches funny. There's another casualty.
 
2013-09-17 12:55:25 AM

Bill the unknowing: Radioactive Ass: As to people wondering why there were so few armed people around, it's a shipyard not a full blown base (nit that that would really matter as very few people are kept armed on bases stateside other than a very few sentries at fixed locations. NAVSEA is an engineering department although they do deal with designing and procuring weapons systems but there are no actually functioning weapons systems there. Ships offload any ordnance before they go into the yards and the shipyard takes joint ownership of the ship with most of the crew sent off to other commands. Essentially they end up with about a quarter of the crew staying behind to maintain security watches (sans weapons other than perhaps a nightstick), fire watches and to observe testing of repairs by the shipyard.

Correction.  It WAS a NAVY Base years ago.  It is called the Navy Yard, because that is what it was YEARS ago.  The Navy moved NAVSEA into this location to consolidate it's program management from a lot of different locations throughout the Beltway.  They used the old Navy Yard as it was cost effective (dilapidated, in a run-down part of town, cheap to buy and rebuild - they shoved out a bunch of poor folks to buy the land and re-build) and then took some of the old buildings and worked some of the old architecture into the new design - pretty nice.  I've worked with a group that is housed within that building.

It is only a complex of offices - essentially, it is where the US Navy has a lot of it's Program decision makers who determine ship designs, project costs and budgets, determine what gets funded and what doesn't.  It's not filled with sailors and folks wearing firearms.  A fair amount of officers who work with the programs to provide guidance, but no mission planning going on here.  Just a bunch of civil servants - the kind that no one seems to miss if they furlough them.....

The poor bastards.....


Your name betrays your knowledge.  You nailed it.
 
2013-09-17 01:03:58 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: The most chilling thing I learned from undernova's post is that situations of random multiple shootings can bring about immediate repercussions.

Suppose the scene is "secured" by personnel who don't have the highest training for such a task, and an innocent bystander twitches funny. There's another casualty.


Maybe that happens more than we think. Always seems to be "multiple shooters" during the event then turns out to be just one bad guy when the smoke clears.
 
2013-09-17 01:10:17 AM

Magorn: T-Servo: Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?

The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.

Since he's dead they had plenty of time to ID him as well.  Also find the reports of Multiple shooters HIGHLY unlikely at this point and bet they will end up being Fog of battle type stuff


fingers crossed there wasn't multiple shooters. Given that it's business as usual here in DC, no security warnings, and a total lack of helicopters overhead with search lights, believe that is the case. There is definitely an upswing in police presence, had five cop cars clustered at 21st and M while I was at work (scaring all the tourists) and just had one drive down the alley behind my apt in Woodley Park for the first time. But seems to be no real concern for shooter at large
 
2013-09-17 01:16:57 AM

Amos Quito: There is so much we don't know, but one thing we do know is that Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm. I'm a cruel-minded idiot who makes stupid vicious accusations

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Stop being an asshole.

You know what her history with being around people getting shot was.

STFU.
 
2013-09-17 01:44:44 AM

howdoibegin: What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.


There are roughly 190 other countries.  Pick one.  Stay the fark in it.
 
2013-09-17 01:45:08 AM
There are some countries that have mandatory post-combat psychological evaluations with voluntary follow-ups.  But why pay for a program that will cost me another $10-20 a year when I can post a patriotic slogan on Facebook and attach a Chinese made flag* to the back of my Mexican-built pick-up sold by an Italian manufacturer and tell everyone that "I support 'Murica and the troops!" instead of actually doing it.

*The ones made in the USA cost more.  If I wanted to spend more for quality I wouldn't be in this WallyMart in the first place.
 
2013-09-17 01:46:28 AM

unamused: howdoibegin: What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.

There are roughly 190 other countries.  Pick one.  Stay the fark in it.


Pick one of the other 189 if your ideals are so easily threatened.
 
2013-09-17 01:55:35 AM

No Line For Beer: unamused: howdoibegin: What a dumb country. Yes, only if you're all sitting at your desks with guns and have put a personal interest into being proficient with firearms will your country be safe. Sounds like a great country! American exceptionalism at its best.

There are roughly 190 other countries.  Pick one.  Stay the fark in it.

Pick one of the other 189 if your ideals are so easily threatened.


The ideals that founded the country are my ideals, Nancy.  Crybaby candy-asses keep whining about how America isn't as good as other "civilized" countries are.  There is no need for you to turn this country into a third world shiat hole when there are already plenty for you to choose from.  Delta is ready when you are.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:28 AM

Kittypie070: Amos Quito: There is so much we don't know, but one thing we do know is that Dianne Feinstein is likely under medical observation after suffering a back-arching, toe-curling 12-hour orgasm. I'm a cruel-minded idiot who makes stupid vicious accusations

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Stop being an asshole.

You know what her history with being around people getting shot was.

STFU.



Yeah, Kittypie070, I know what Feignstein's "history with being around people getting shot" is.

But apparently you don't.

Feignstein happened to be in an office complex when "San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk, who were shot and killed in San Francisco City Hall by former Supervisor Dan White on November 27, 1978".

White, a FORMER POLICE OFFICER used his SERVICE REVOLVER to murder Moscone and Milk. For the firearm illiterate, a REVOLVER is a pistol - six-shooter (in this case) to murder the mayor and the councilman who displaced him.

Feignstein was one of the first on the scene - having heard the shots, etc.

The chum that YOU have been eating tells you that THIS "traumatic experience" is the impetus that drives Feignstein in her quest for GUN CONTROL.

Except that it's bullshiat.

Feignstein knows DAMN WELL that the VAST majority of murders committed here in the US are committed with HANDGUNS (you know, the kind that Dan White used to murder Milk and Moscone in Feignstein's presence) yet the FalseFaced biatch is NOT going after handguns - which pose the greatest threat to public safety - The Mummy is hell-bent on doing away with ASSAULT RIFLES - which pose the greatest threat to GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

Here's a little graphic for yaz - courtesy of ME and the FBI:

i1121.photobucket.com


Like any conniving wannabe oligarch, Feignstein (and her pals) want to disarm the peasantry - not "for their own good" or in the interest of "public safety", but to ensure that the peasants are unable to offer resistance to their increasing oppression.

It's what they do.

Do you know WHO ELSE wishes that his populace was unarmed and helpless?

www.nndb.com

Yeah, you BET he does.

And right now, Obama, Feignstein and their pals are ARMING those who oppose Assad - but they're NOT arming them with REVOLVERS like Dan White used to murder Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk - they're arming them with ASSAULT RIFLES - the kind that both Obey and Feignstein want to BAN here in the US.

Why?

Because while handguns make fine murder weapons, they are practically USELESS in a revolution/warfare scenario where one is trying to oppose oppressive tyranny.

Feignstein and her pals do NOT have public safety in their little scheming heads. They mean to deprive the peasantry of any means to resist.

Curl up around that and sleep on it, Kittypie070.
 
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