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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 896
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2013-09-16 06:50:32 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


You mean to say that making something even more illegal than it already is doesn't stop it from happening?
 
2013-09-16 06:50:45 PM
 
2013-09-16 06:51:00 PM

Snarfangel: Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?

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Gary Larson may be God in human form, he stops by to write a few thousand (or hundreds?) comics just to fark with us, point out how stupid we are and that's exactly how he intended us to be.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:00 PM

Jeep2011: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Back in the day I worked, as US Army, in a really secret place. The civilians did not like the Military Guards so we suddenly had guards that would make TSA look like rocket scientist. First the guards  were armed but after a few mishaps handling weapons they were not armed.  I will never forget the time I was leaving work and a woman that looked about my Mom's age at the time told me that she did not have to check my backpack because in my big brown eyes she could tell I was too nice to be a bad guy. Reported her to my First Sergeant and CO. Never saw her again.

I ETSed in 1998, I thought things changed with 2011 but maybe not.


That was 9/11 ...damn beers
 
2013-09-16 06:51:07 PM

James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.


Right. Which is why we should ban guns. A "responsible law abiding citizen" is only law abiding until he's not.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:17 PM

AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident


Cite?
 
2013-09-16 06:51:23 PM
shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

AngryDragon: Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.



Navy policy on firearms on base: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=54055

The military's ways are mysterious.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:35 PM

Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.


One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.
 
2013-09-16 06:52:43 PM
James10952001
One of the challenges in banning certain types of guns is that types that are most often used for sport purposes are just as potentially deadly as types modeled after military weapons. You can't do much to restrict the killing ability of a gun without running afoul of the second amendment entirely, so they are left debating mostly cosmetic aspects, the other option being to come out and say the real goal is to ban all guns, which would be an about-face for all but the most zealous gun haters.


I don't want to see all guns banned, but I am tired of seeing yet another 10+ people being shot at least once a month in the United States. I know from the point of view of a [a very crazy and morally wrong] shooter going into a movie theater or school, an AR15 and Mini14 would probably not have horribly difference performance. Pretty much same ammo, and extended clips are probably available for both.

It would be nice something could be done.

What has the NRA done about getting that health care out there to Americans?
 
2013-09-16 06:53:19 PM

Surpheon: GRCooper: unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.

It really is amazing how so many Americans are so ignorant of the world they consider that outrageous.


I'm sorry, are you referring to my post as being representative of those ignorant Americans?  When I lived in London and travelling around Europe, it was not uncommon for me to see guards armed with, I'm assuming, fully automatic capable weaponry (usually, MP5s) at places like embassies.  I'll assume that guards at military facilities are similarly armed.

Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.

/Only 7% of police officers in London are even trained in the use of firearms;  they are rarely carried

I see.  You're under the impression that AA used his shotgun to take the weapon from a police officer.  It's my understanding that this did not happen.

So, again, please explain to me how the events today could not have happened in the UK.  Please use small words - I'm an ignorant American.
 
2013-09-16 06:54:00 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


Like the laws that exempt gun shows from background checks? The laws that allow suspected terrorists to own firearms? And the laws that prevent the Centers for Disease Control from releasing data on deaths and injuries from firearms? "Enforce the existing laws" doesn't do any good when the NRA and their willing dupes ensure gaping loopholes and rampant, pro-active ignorance.
 
2013-09-16 06:54:05 PM
If Barrack Obama had a son, he would have looked like Aaron Alexis
 
2013-09-16 06:54:43 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


False Flag!!!! 3...2...Potato!
 
2013-09-16 06:55:10 PM
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2013-09-16 06:55:20 PM

SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?


You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.
 
2013-09-16 06:55:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.
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Right. Which is why we should ban guns. A "responsible law abiding citizen" is only law abiding until he's not.


Good luck with that.

a particular individual: The laws that allow suspected terrorists to own firearms?


Can you expand on that?
 
2013-09-16 06:56:13 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


Look, I'm with you on this. Problem is, there's no way to keep someone from owning a firearm. Legally, unless there is a law broken, his property couldn't have been searched. Reports are he started with a shotgun, which he didn't have to have a license or permit for. Over 18? it's yours. 150 bucks from WalMart brand new. Stolen or borrowed from someone? We'll find out.

From there, it seems he disarmed at least one other person and used that one.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:18 PM

JungleBoogie: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

AngryDragon: Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


Navy policy on firearms on base: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=54055

The military's ways are mysterious.


Military personnel have to keep their firearms in the Armory if they live in government housing. That is so Military personnel do not go nuts and shoot people. Yes...see how well that works.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:21 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.

The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


Some 85% of gun crime occurs with handguns, yet most of the focus is on so called assault rifles that are used in around 1% of gun violence. I would take the gun control argument a lot more seriously if not for this aspect. It has the outward appearance of an emotional tirade against guns that look scary, and that does not help the cause.

We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal, the difference is in how that is approached.

At any rate,
Overall violent crime has been steadily decreasing for decades an that can only be good news.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:52 PM

mizchief: Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.

One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.


Can't recall the last time a gun attack on armed soldiers became a "shooting rampage", whut?

Have you noticed that the shooters go to an unarmed mass of people to start shooting?

I do believe there is some wisdom in there, but it just keeps eluding me,,,
 
2013-09-16 06:57:11 PM

mediablitz: OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns. Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment. Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

In this case, police with guns were seconds away. The first thing he did was shoot the guy with the gun and take it. Gave him more ammo to kill innocent people.

Your argument is AWESOME!!!


So, this shows that we need to disarm the police, as well?
 
2013-09-16 06:57:14 PM

JungleBoogie: I think we should start using a massacre scale, akin to the Fujita scale for tornadoes (F0-F5) and the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale (Category 1 - 5).

"S" could be the suffix, for "severity." I'll throw some numbers out there.

• S0: 2-3 deaths.
• S1: 4-6 deaths.
• S2: 6-10 deaths.
• S3: 10-20 deaths.
• S4: 20-40 deaths.
• S5: 40-80 deaths.
• S6: 80-150 deaths.
• S7: 150-500 deaths.
• S8: 500-1000 deaths.
• S9: 1000-5000 deaths.
• S10: 5000-25000 deaths.
• S11: 25000 - 100,000 deaths.
• S12: 100K - 500K deaths.
• S13: > 500K deaths


By that scale, 9/11 would only be an S9.  What's the S13 for, nuclear war?  Not much short of that a person or persons can do to be responsible for that many deaths.
/directly responsible at least
//of course some historic political figures are attributed that much
 
2013-09-16 06:57:55 PM

netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.


Sometimes people pray/ meditate because they need it.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:15 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Most Canadians wish that they had more rights, like in the US, rather than think everyone here is crazy.




You sir are full of shiat.... But keep talking for the rest of us.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:25 PM

TommyymmoT: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x508]


Comic Sans makes it all seem so innocuous.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:30 PM

LoneWolf343: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

Reality has a liberal bias.


If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:14 PM
Hmm, New Yorker or Texan? I'm gonna guess "born in NY but claims Texas as military Home of Record for Tax Purposes." The armed forces include plenty of "Texans" and "Floridians" who have never set foot in their "home state."

Gee, why don't all military people pack heat 24/7? Perhaps because the bulk of active duty servicemembers are young males in their teens to early 20s. This is a group that statistically lacks maturity of thought,  has low impulse control and is more likely to engage in binge drinking. This is also the age range when mental illness, if present, will begin to rear its ugly head. So no, they're probably not the population you want to be strolling around with loaded weapons, with little or no supervision.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:25 PM

James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal


No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:41 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

They also consider us a little extreme in our free speech, property rights and privacy issues when you look at their "hate speech", private property and privacy laws.

You also sound racist if you hate our gun culture


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2013-09-16 07:00:58 PM

Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?


Zombies of course.

/can't be obscure
 
2013-09-16 07:01:28 PM
The_Mad_Dutchman
Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.
The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


I have not been in the military, but the more I have read about the subject I am confused. Many years I thought that full auto was just more dangerous then semi-auto. The more I find out, those full auto sessions at the range are just people having kickass fun.

Unless it is something where the military needs suppressing fire, I understand full auto spray and pray to be less and less effective anyway. It is much preferred to go semiauto or three-shot on one pull.

The whole full auto thing seems to be something to scaring people who know nothing about guns, and nothing to do with reality.

\I bet if a full-auto M16 was given wood furniture and placed against a off-the-shelf ar15 with lots of tactical accessories, many people would say the tactical ar15 was more scary.
 
2013-09-16 07:01:36 PM
When I saw a picture of Chief Lanier, was I the only one who also thought of  Sgt. Callahan? NSFW
 
2013-09-16 07:01:54 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
One of the challenges in banning certain types of guns is that types that are most often used for sport purposes are just as potentially deadly as types modeled after military weapons. You can't do much to restrict the killing ability of a gun without running afoul of the second amendment entirely, so they are left debating mostly cosmetic aspects, the other option being to come out and say the real goal is to ban all guns, which would be an about-face for all but the most zealous gun haters.

I don't want to see all guns banned, but I am tired of seeing yet another 10+ people being shot at least once a month in the United States. I know from the point of view of a [a very crazy and morally wrong] shooter going into a movie theater or school, an AR15 and Mini14 would probably not have horribly difference performance. Pretty much same ammo, and extended clips are probably available for both.

It would be nice something could be done.

What has the NRA done about getting that health care out there to Americans?


What have health organizations done to promote gun rights? Or free speech? That isn't what the NRA does, nor should it be.

I'd also like to challenge the notion that all gun owners are card carrying NRA members an right wing conservative survivalists. I'm quite liberal on most things and never have cared for the NRA and they don't speak for me. I just happen to agree with them on certain matters.
 
2013-09-16 07:03:02 PM

skozlaw: James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal

No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.


If only there were a word for this "logic".

/more lurking for you
 
2013-09-16 07:04:09 PM
TFA:  One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

Publicdata.com:
Criminal Name SearchResults for 'ALEXIS,AARON' on 347 database(s) Searched by Name

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2013-09-16 07:04:21 PM

mizchief: If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.


Says the guy who thinks every person in the country should have to carry at least five firearms at a time everywhere he goes.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:21 PM

GRCooper: Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.


In the UK, you have a much higher training standard before guards are armed to the same extent in the US and there are far fewer weapons available. Shooting sprees still happen - a nut with a hunting rifle or shotgun can settle down and kill many people - but incidents like this just don't happen.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:25 PM

KhamanV: SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?

You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.


I wonder if this guy today listened to Judas Priest? That's supposed to be the definition, right? Heavy metal music is the devil, right? Or is it hot jazz? No, it's baseball that is corrupting the minds of youth.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:50 PM

GRCooper: Surpheon: GRCooper: unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.

It really is amazing how so many Americans are so ignorant of the world they consider that outrageous.

I'm sorry, are you referring to my post as being representative of those ignorant Americans?  When I lived in London and travelling around Europe, it was not uncommon for me to see guards armed with, I'm assuming, fully automatic capable weaponry (usually, MP5s) at places like embassies.  I'll assume that guards at military facilities are similarly armed.

Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.

/Only 7% of police officers in London are even trained in the use of firearms;  they are rarely carried

I see.  You're under the impression that AA used his shotgun to take the weapon from a police officer.  It's my understanding that this did not happen.

So, again, please explain to me how the events today could not have happened in the UK.  Please use small words - I'm an ignorant American.


The biggest difference I see is cultural. People there are just not as likely to go on a killing rampage. That does seem to be more common here and it doesn't seem to correlate noticeably with availability of guns in a given area.
 
2013-09-16 07:05:05 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident

Cite?



Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard gunman, involved in prior shooting
 
2013-09-16 07:05:43 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.

Sometimes people pray/ meditate because they need it.


I have trained in Martial arts, yoga, and meditation for years. I did it to gain control over my body. Yet, I see so many Farkers with mental problems in martial arts, yoga and meditation who are trying to fix their minds because they are bat guano crazy. We try to help them but in most cases they need psychiatric help.
 
2013-09-16 07:07:42 PM

KhamanV: SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?

You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.


If violent games caused violence, there would be mass shootings every day. Inherently violent people are likely to also enjoy violent games. That doesn't mean the games cause the violence.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:01 PM
shiat, another shooting. when will people get that...

Assault Rifles Enable Idiots To Take More Lives

regulate the weapon or the idiots that can own them. pick one.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:20 PM
PainfulItching:

I wonder if this guy today listened to Judas Priest? That's supposed to be the definition, right? Heavy metal music is the devil, right? Or is it hot jazz? No, it's baseball that is corrupting the minds of youth.

I took a look; FBI profiler guy is one of the 700 Club types.  So between the Devil's Music, the video games, and the non-Christian' preachin' this feller was into, clearly he was a weapon of Satan.

I wonder why he's not with the FBI anymore.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:34 PM

mizchief: LoneWolf343: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

Reality has a liberal bias.

If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.


There is a reasonable middle ground. It seems people have forgotten that. Holy fark.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:37 PM

snocone: If only there were a word for this "logic".


I don't know what you're crying about. Today's bloodshed, just like Aurora and Newtown and Fort Hood and Columbine and so many individual murders is the fruit of your constant victories in this argument.

You should wear the body count proudly. You've earned it.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:08 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Maybe so, but no one has tried a ground invasion of US soil since the war of 1812. Even Japan knew not to get any closer to Hawaii, every other attack resulted in the immediate death of the attacker. That is what the authors of the 2nd intended. That and defending ourselves against a tyrannical government which unfortunately seems to become more necessary each day.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:22 PM

snocone: mizchief: Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.

One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.

Can't recall the last time a gun attack on armed soldiers became a "shooting rampage", whut?

Have you noticed that the shooters go to an unarmed mass of people to start shooting?

I do believe there is some wisdom in there, but it just keeps eluding me,,,


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2013-09-16 07:09:32 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.

The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


That is a hell of a jump to make.  Just because legally registered machine guns weren't used in crime doesn't mean that machine guns aren't purchased or used by criminals.  Machine guns are used in about 2% of crime here in CA.  Majority?  No.  Represented?  Certainly.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:43 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


You mean filthy pinko commies? I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion. They are just the idiots the ancient Greek senate complained about.
 
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