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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 896
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2013-09-16 06:00:19 PM

James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.


Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".
 
2013-09-16 06:00:31 PM

James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.


Then it's time to retire the "law-abiding gun owner" dodge. Clearly it means nothing.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:34 PM

mediablitz: And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.


While that is true it's a fact that the navy is loathe to issue weapons from the base armory to anyone without a very clear reason to do so. This has a lot more to do with paperwork than anything else. Personal weapons means they they don't have to track the weapons and the ammunition for them (no, you will never be allowed to use non-issued bullets in an issued weapon). That quickly becomes a problem if (when actually) a lot (or batch if you will) goes bad. There's also a maintenance issue as weapons have to be cleaned once a month when just stored and weekly (or more often depending upon the location) when issued. That has to be done by people trained and certified to do so.

All of those issues go away when it's personal weapons. They get it looked at by the base armory and it has to go back for periodic checks to make sure that it's still up to spec. which takes all of a couple of minutes to do. At most they will issue the holster, web belt and magazine holder on the belt to make them all uniform. The individual still has to qualify in that particular type of weapons use and maintain those quals in order to keep wearing the weapon.
 
2013-09-16 06:01:46 PM
I used to come to these threads because we had better links to better information faster than 'the news,' and even sometimes some good conversation with all the human qualities of humor, poignancy, thoughtfulness.

Now we have the same inane gun argument over and over again. It's like Westboro Baptist showing up to a birthday party. Yeah, you have a right to your free speech, yelling whatever with absolutely no sincere belief that you will change a single mind. But nobody's listening, because you're ruining a good thing, and you're quite often looking totally classless while doing it.

The conversation certainly needs to happen. BUT NOT HERE.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:03 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: mbillips: Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?

It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.

I think it's only folks with zero exposure to the military that think otherwise.


Clinton removed the discretion from the local base commanders.  With concealed carry gaining momentum the last 20 years this has created a disparity.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:12 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.


If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:29 PM
James10952001 ,

I say we work on legalizing Soviet RPGs and LAW rockets. I want to go out and blow things up on the weekend. Why should paranoia about shoulder mounted rockets stop us from our personal freedom.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:04 PM
article just came out regarding him being arrested in Seattle and dealing with PTSD from being on the ground in NYC at 9/11.
http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/09/16/suspect-in-navy-yard-attack -p reviously-arrested-in-seattle-for-anger-fueled-shooting/
 
2013-09-16 06:03:15 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


He may have smuggled them past the city border guards.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:28 PM

sleeps in trees: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

*Canada

Not saying we don't have shootings or guns but you guys are waaaaay to pissed off right now as a country and need to dial back the rhetoric.




*too. I need wine, just stop killing each other.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:30 PM
From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:59 PM

Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.


This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.
 
2013-09-16 06:04:07 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Finally, someone who learned something from Video Games.
 
2013-09-16 06:04:25 PM

KidneyStone: gfid: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

Even if it's a misdemeanor marijuana charge 15 years ago?

If other posts in this thread are right though, he doesn't have a criminal record.

In some counties of Georgia that's plenty to deny you a carry license


What if it was a misdemeanor marijuana charge without an arrest, but the conviction / nolo was for disorderly conduct?

/asking for a friend
 
2013-09-16 06:05:23 PM

Isitoveryet: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

I know! why aren't there ever any abortion rampages!?


I got you covered.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/abortion-doc-assistant-offer s -horrifying-testimony-killing-babies-article-1.1293130">http://www.ny dailynews.com/news/national/abortion-doc-assistant-offers -horrifying-testimony-killing-babies-article-1.1293130
 
2013-09-16 06:05:31 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


you realize he was on a military installation so the local laws aren't an issue right?
 
2013-09-16 06:05:34 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.


Real life:
http://www.fox16.com/content/news/state/story/Man-Accused-of-Killing -T wo-in-Fort-Smith-Machete/zIxx_b3DmUO3_EAEivLxXw.cspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/china-knife-attack_n_381530 0. html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18992200/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/man- ar med-knife-kills-philippines/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry -s tabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

movies: it's been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqEWDo1VQk
 
2013-09-16 06:05:58 PM

Enemabag Jones: People, we as a country deserve this.

Lots of guns, with not too many restrictions for a peaceful first world country.

And health care is limited, psychological care is even more limited.

Lots of guns, very little mental health care, how can this not be the formula for people going postal and mass shootings.


We have a culture where violence has long been accepted as a way to handle conflicts.

I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.
 
2013-09-16 06:06:34 PM

mbillips: From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.


Seattle. Ft. Worth. DC.

Gun NUT.
 
2013-09-16 06:06:56 PM

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right. *Europe Australia Canada Japan Quite a coalition. Yeah, they're real third world hellholes. They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?


You specified Europe. I believe you were corrected.
 
2013-09-16 06:07:24 PM
James10952001
If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?
I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.


No hyperbole here. Gun are like RPGs, there is a risk of being misused, but any law against them limits our personal freedoms to shoot at things for sporting activity for law abiding US citizens.

Just because a weapon may be misused by crazy people, does not mean it should not be for sale. I am tired of paranoia by government against weapons limiting me from shooting an RPG7 on the weekend.

Responsible RPG owners, unite!
 
2013-09-16 06:08:00 PM

hundreddollarman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: hundreddollarman: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.

O_O????  This won't get me anywhere, but the power of the FWC and/or maple vodak compels you to explain yourself!!  :D

She was the headline performer at a strip club in the SF Bay Area back in February. I rounded up some buds and we went. After her feature performance, we got to meet her in the VIP room. She was offering signed merch and you could take a Polaroid with her for $20. Got my photo snapped with my hand on DAT ASS. Best $20 spent ever.


...well....that....

Damnit, my life is farking boring..... *sob*  XD
 
2013-09-16 06:08:03 PM

quo vadimus: I used to come to these threads because we had better links to better information faster than 'the news,' and even sometimes some good conversation with all the human qualities of humor, poignancy, thoughtfulness.

Now we have the same inane gun argument over and over again. It's like Westboro Baptist showing up to a birthday party. Yeah, you have a right to your free speech, yelling whatever with absolutely no sincere belief that you will change a single mind. But nobody's listening, because you're ruining a good thing, and you're quite often looking totally classless while doing it.

The conversation certainly needs to happen. BUT NOT HERE.


It's like an abortion thread.  You expect different?
 
2013-09-16 06:08:32 PM

xalres: ...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.


Yes, I can see where it would make us all safer to grant a monopoly on the use of force to the people who brought us the NSA.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-16 06:08:35 PM

AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.


if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.
 
2013-09-16 06:09:37 PM

mbillips: From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.


Begin the countdown to news that he was nowhere near New York on 9/11/2001. Bets?
 
2013-09-16 06:10:29 PM

Radioactive Ass: mediablitz: And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

While that is true it's a fact that the navy is loathe to issue weapons from the base armory to anyone without a very clear reason to do so. This has a lot more to do with paperwork than anything else. Personal weapons means they they don't have to track the weapons and the ammunition for them (no, you will never be allowed to use non-issued bullets in an issued weapon). That quickly becomes a problem if (when actually) a lot (or batch if you will) goes bad. There's also a maintenance issue as weapons have to be cleaned once a month when just stored and weekly (or more often depending upon the location) when issued. That has to be done by people trained and certified to do so.

All of those issues go away when it's personal weapons. They get it looked at by the base armory and it has to go back for periodic checks to make sure that it's still up to spec. which takes all of a couple of minutes to do. At most they will issue the holster, web belt and magazine holder on the belt to make them all uniform. The individual still has to qualify in that particular type of weapons use and maintain those quals in order to keep wearing the weapon.


facepalm - OK, it's paperwork that keeps a couple of hundred people on a stateside base from carrying a personal weapon. Not the fact that if something like today were to happen and a plainclothes FBI agent or police officer were to respond to it, with their weapon drawn they would become targets from every window and doorway.

And there would be no way to coordinate response in any type of military fashion because there is no communication between commands and lower ranking forces. Just every man for himself.
 
2013-09-16 06:10:40 PM

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.


There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.
 
2013-09-16 06:11:26 PM
James10952001
I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.


And my RPG has never been aimed at improper targets. I only blow up junked cars on the weekend. I am just angry I have to to to Liberia to do it. I want the right to blow up junk cars in the United States with an RPG.

I am tired of my personal freedoms being restricted.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:07 PM
Home safe.  Family freaked out.  All things considered, I'd rather have been in lockdown in building 201 than have had to flee 197 and get home sooner.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Came for the herp. Stayed for the derp.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:16 PM

WhyteRaven74: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


All of them, you farking moron, personal protection is exactly like warfare except on a personal level. You make sure your target is in your sights, confirm no unintended targets behind the target, and use the minimal force required to resolve the situation.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:18 PM

vrax: James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.

Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".


Well, let me know when you have a way of preventing some nut from ignoring the gun free zone signs and coming in anyway.

And remember that everyone who was pushing the last gun control bill swore up and down that nobody was trying to take away guns, just ban certain types and that anyone who thought otherwise was a paranoid nut. Was that true or are they full of shiat?
 
2013-09-16 06:12:24 PM
We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
 
2013-09-16 06:13:03 PM

Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.


Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it
 
2013-09-16 06:13:30 PM

Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?


A quick google search of every registered voter in the US reveals that at least one 'Aaron Alexis" is a registered republican
 
2013-09-16 06:14:01 PM

Man On Pink Corner: xalres: ...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.

Yes, I can see where it would make us all safer to grant a monopoly on the use of force to the people who brought us the NSA.  What could possibly go wrong?


How many tyrannies have y'all overthrown?
 
2013-09-16 06:14:13 PM

Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.

if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.


Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and everything to do with restricting law abiding citizens.  That's why there is resistance.
 
2013-09-16 06:14:19 PM

xalres: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.

There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.


Bomb? Pickup truck? SUV? Toxic gas? No other way besides a gun? Really?
 
2013-09-16 06:15:08 PM

WhyteRaven74: How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


None, at least by the navy. They are trained in their use as a part of their regular duties and of course that carries over to their personal life but even on a warship not everyone is qualified to shoot, just the ones who might need to have a weapon as a part of their job. Sitting in an office at NAVSEA isn't one of those types of jobs. In fact as I mentioned above a shipyard is probably the least likely military facility to have armed people other than at the gates.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:20 PM

Tatterdemalian: Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it


You make a good case for banning all guns. Bravo.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:28 PM
Road Rash ,
Real life:
http://www.fox16.com/content/news/state/story/Man-Accused-of-Killing -T wo-in-Fort-Smith-Machete/zIxx_b3DmUO3_EAEivLxXw.cspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/china-knife-attack_n_381530 0. html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18992200/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/man- ar med-knife-kills-philippines/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry -s tabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx
movies: it's been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqEWDo1VQk


I have fatality count at 25 for articles from all over the world. That is one Newtown.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:56 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


Again, this is an argument FOR Federal gun control

/gun nut
//you're not helping dot jpg
 
2013-09-16 06:17:09 PM

James10952001: xalres: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.

There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.

Bomb? Pickup truck? SUV? Toxic gas? No other way besides a gun? Really?


I didn't say it was the ONLY way to get such results. I was comparing it to knives and baseball bats, since you used those as examples.

Reading comprehension!
 
2013-09-16 06:18:06 PM

Krieghund: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

[www.keeptalkinggreece.com image 600x450]


That cat has the ultimate "Are you farking kidding me" face.  I got a good lol, thank you.
 
2013-09-16 06:18:39 PM

AngryDragon: Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about th
Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms ou ...


should be, but won't....that's the problem.  there are plenty of people on the right who try very hard to make sure it's difficult to enforce the rules already on the books...and they're trying to repeal the ones we've got.  oh, and you can forget about having a reasonable discussion with the Right about guns and gun violence.  they tend to go right to "Obama is a comin fer my guns!" then veer off into conspiracy theory and back episodes of Doomsday Preppers.
 
2013-09-16 06:18:55 PM

James10952001: vrax: James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.

Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".

Well, let me know when you have a way of preventing some nut from ignoring the gun free zone signs and coming in anyway.


Well, obviously, to be effective, those signs couldn't coexist.  "Heavily Armed Gun-Free Zone!"  That's just silly!  It sends a mixed message to those who can read.

And remember that everyone who was pushing the last gun control bill swore up and down that nobody was trying to take away guns, just ban certain types and that anyone who thought otherwise was a paranoid nut. Was that true or are they full of shiat?

Well, some guns are not all guns.  So, a little of both.
 
2013-09-16 06:19:22 PM
So far, the shooter is known as Aaron Alexis. At what point does he become a three-name shooter?
 
2013-09-16 06:19:56 PM

xalres: There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.


How about two dead and nine injured
 
2013-09-16 06:20:50 PM

Obscene_CNN: Time to take away the cops guns

" Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun,"




Nope we blame Biden

iamjackofalltrades.com
 
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