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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 896
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2013-09-16 05:44:06 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.


Why is it that the internet and media think that cops are all automatically proficient in the use of their weapons?  Have they ever reported on the NYPD?  What makes them think that police marksmanship standards are designed to ensure proficiency, and not passage by Sgt. Joey Bagodonuts?
 
2013-09-16 05:44:07 PM  

there their theyre: If he had a criminal record, he did not have a CHL in Texas


He was arrested, not charged, for cleaning his gun while cooking.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:14 PM  

Weaver95: shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.

nope.  sometimes all the training and gear in the world can't help you.  sometimes the bad guys win.


We must spare no expense, leave no stone unturned, we must make as many compromises as it takes, to ensure the bad guys cannot win.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:18 PM  
White guy? White guy!
 
2013-09-16 05:44:44 PM  

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.


Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:53 PM  
Aaand now I remember why I don't come to Fark anymore.

Figured this thread would serve as a fine refresher and boy was I right.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:15 PM  

AngryDragon: All2morrowsparTs: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

I call Bullshiate! I was in the Army in 1989 through 1991 and in the Airforce from then on. No body carried guns unless you were going to the range or to maneuvers. Even then ammunition was tightly controlled.

See above.  I'm not making it up.


Clinton's policy mostly codified a long-standing DoD policy. Very few commanders allowed people to carry personal weapons on base; all Clinton did was make it DoD-wide. Probably at the behest of the Pentagon; they don't want anybody armed who doesn't have clear orders.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:30 PM  
Snarfangel
They can contemplate the sound of one hand facepalming.


Buddhists can be more flexible then you think with non-lethal weapons. After what they did with steel hundreds of years ago I would like to see them go all A-Team with modern tools.

And I do remember the use of firebombs in Korea in the 90's when there was some dispute between sects with regard to the control of resources.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:55 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: White guy? White guy!


Only half white.

/the evil half.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:37 PM  

s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe




*Canada

Not saying we don't have shootings or guns but you guys are waaaaay to pissed off right now as a country and need to dial back the rhetoric.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:52 PM  

FrancoFile: Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!

Grew up in NY.
Most recently lived in TX.

/reading comprehension, how does it work?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-16 05:46:54 PM  
It doesn't add up.  7 shots and 13 dead?  Magic bullets.  I want to see the film.

"It was three gunshots straight in a row - pop, pop, pop. Three seconds later, it was pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, so it was like about a total of seven gunshots, and we just started running," Ward said.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:56 PM  

IkilledLauraPalmer: So when do the Naval Yard Trutherstm start to come out of the woodwork?


False Jack!  False Jack!  False Jack!
 
2013-09-16 05:47:12 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan


Quite a coalition.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:14 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?


I imagine living on base has a lot of bullshiat rules and is pretty safe even next to the worst neighborhoods so it's not really a big deal. The 2nd amendment no longer applies to you when you sign up.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:16 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Kuroshin: LarryDan43: Infernalist: Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra

This is not the time to talk about gun control!

Sure it is!  Because a bomb would have been much better!

/crazy gonna cray
//killers gonna kill

///makes it much easier to do with a tool whose sole purpose is designed to kill and is easily accessible to anyone in this country.


You mean like a bomb?
 
2013-09-16 05:47:17 PM  
Texas may Be different than my state but if this dude had a criminal record, he didn't have a CCW. you can have one or the other.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:20 PM  

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:40 PM  

yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.


I bet he's a disgruntled cornball brother.
 
2013-09-16 05:48:41 PM  

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

Yes, banned from carrying personal firearms on base.

So...a gun-free zone.  Where most mass shootings occur.


The point was more that it's simply a policy that matches the on base securing of issued firearms that existed well before Clinton.  There is now a uniform policy regarding firearms on base.
 
2013-09-16 05:48:46 PM  

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.


Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.
 
2013-09-16 05:49:00 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?


It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.
 
2013-09-16 05:49:41 PM  

gfid: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

Even if it's a misdemeanor marijuana charge 15 years ago?

If other posts in this thread are right though, he doesn't have a criminal record.


In some counties of Georgia that's plenty to deny you a carry license
 
2013-09-16 05:50:10 PM  
So when will Obama come out and tell us which of his fictional relatives would have looked like this guy?
 
2013-09-16 05:50:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.


It appears the shooter armed himself with a high capacity semi-automatic pistol and an AR-15 automatic assault rifle by taking the weapons from the police.

When are we going to enact commonsense gun control policies that encompass law enforcement?  The only purpose of an automatic assault rifle like an AR-15 is to kill large numbers of people in a short amount of time.  The police shouldn't have this kind of firepower.  The Boston Bombers, this guy, how many more people have to die from these weapons of war on our streets?
 
2013-09-16 05:51:04 PM  
Yeah, now we have the politics going weird and the blame is starting. I'm out ya'll. Sorry today has been so shiatty.
 
2013-09-16 05:51:05 PM  

skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.


We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.
 
2013-09-16 05:51:14 PM  
 
2013-09-16 05:51:53 PM  

mbillips: Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?

It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.


I think it's only folks with zero exposure to the military that think otherwise.
 
2013-09-16 05:52:07 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.


I know you're being snarky but that's pretty much how the narrative ends up shaking out.

Just after: "It's too soon! Now is not the time to talk of such things. WE NEED TO HEAL AS A NATION!!"

Weeks after: Gun control? For what?! We don't have a gun problem. We have a crazy person problem! BAN CARS THEY KILL PEOPLE TOO DERPDERPDERPDERP!!!"

...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.
 
2013-09-16 05:52:16 PM  
James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.
 
2013-09-16 05:53:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.

Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.


They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?
 
2013-09-16 05:53:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Suspect In Navy Yard Attack Previously Arrested In Seattle For "Anger-Fueled" Shooting


Forget how "easy" it is to get a gun in America, how easy is it to get a job as a federal contractor?
 
2013-09-16 05:53:27 PM  

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?
 
2013-09-16 05:54:04 PM  

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


How many times are you going to have to say that?
 
2013-09-16 05:54:27 PM  
you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.
 
2013-09-16 05:55:18 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

He probably was using those weapons as was intended per the design and function.
 
2013-09-16 05:55:19 PM  

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.

Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.

They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?


Comparing any Western country with Japan is kind of stupid, not to mention that Australia had a confiscation program, something that isn't legal or even remotely feasible in the United States.

/Australia has also undergone a huge economic boom centered around their vast mineral wealth since the Port Arthur massacre and has an extensive social safety net
 
2013-09-16 05:55:43 PM  

Hollie Maea: plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]

No one is suggesting those are two pictures of the same person, I hope.


Different lighting and background. First one is a DMV photo, overcompressed so it's distorted a bit (mine is too - my head is squished). Same shaped ears and head, same eyes. Checked it in photoshop.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:05 PM  

FreeBirdInTheHand: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?


Apparently he kept finding med kits and boxes of ammo that made it harder to take him down.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:15 PM  

vrax: GBB: [www.spartanburgteaparty.org image 546x545]

Remove about 60% of those dots and you've got an accurate image.


Am I freaking color blind? That looks red to me, not orange.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:27 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.


Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:43 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

He probably was using those weapons as was intended per the design and function.


As he did today.
 
2013-09-16 05:58:30 PM  
If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.
 
2013-09-16 05:58:45 PM  
Sorry, anti-Texas bigots, he may not be from Texas, but from Queens, New York. That information is concealed in the first line of this story: www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-navy-yard/ . Can't be true because it's from Fox? NPR says the same thing (source FBI): http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/16/223023740/developing-s h ooting-at-u-s-navy-yard-in-washington-d-c.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:04 PM  
People, we as a country deserve this.

Lots of guns, with not too many restrictions for a peaceful first world country.

And health care is limited, psychological care is even more limited.

Lots of guns, very little mental health care, how can this not be the formula for people going postal and mass shootings.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:09 PM  
Everyone in Texas has a gun.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:48 PM  

Fark It: Dusk-You-n-Me: Suspect In Navy Yard Attack Previously Arrested In Seattle For "Anger-Fueled" Shooting

Forget how "easy" it is to get a gun in America, how easy is it to get a job as a federal contractor?


I think most federal contractors are secretly federal expanders.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:06 PM  

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


yeah - all those armed guards around the base sure worked out great...maybe we should start arming cube dwelling IT guys too, just to make sure this can't happen again.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:16 PM  

KarmicDisaster: FreeBirdInTheHand: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?

Apparently he kept finding med kits and boxes of ammo that made it harder to take him down.


Thank The Maker he didn't get his hands on the berzerker pack. The body count would have been off the charts.
 
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