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(MyWay News)   Federal Law Enforcement Officials say the man accused in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard that left at least 12 people dead has been identified as Aaron Alexis, a 34 year-old man from Texas   (apnews.myway.com) divider line 897
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2013-09-16 04:21:11 PM
If only they were armed
 
2013-09-16 04:21:37 PM
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-09-16 04:22:10 PM
Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?
 
2013-09-16 04:22:17 PM
If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.
 
2013-09-16 04:22:22 PM
Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.
 
2013-09-16 04:22:40 PM
WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?
 
2013-09-16 04:23:07 PM
I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.
 
2013-09-16 04:23:39 PM
Why wasn't anyone there ARMED?!?
 
2013-09-16 04:23:45 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


This one knows too much, brotherssssss. Time to take him out.
 
2013-09-16 04:23:49 PM
I'm sure that bit of info will elicit a perfectly rational response from the crowd here...
 
2013-09-16 04:23:56 PM
*retracted*
 
2013-09-16 04:24:08 PM
There once was a man named Alexis
Who came from the great state of Texas
He shot crowds with his gun
SWAT ended his fun
Now somebody has to clean up the messes.
 
2013-09-16 04:24:21 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


i.... i'm not sure what your point is.
 
2013-09-16 04:24:27 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


www.keeptalkinggreece.com
 
2013-09-16 04:24:45 PM
Y'all posting in a troll thread.

Rules:

1. Flame those who disagree with you; until they get a 3rd degree Internet burn.
 
2013-09-16 04:24:57 PM

Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?


The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.
 
2013-09-16 04:24:59 PM

yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.


You're probably right.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:02 PM
FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:02 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Reality has a liberal bias.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:10 PM
The two officials spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Yeah, I'm going to give at least 2 to 1 against this being a trustworthy tip.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:15 PM
Apparently, someone forgot.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:22 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


security reasons. Why do you think so many schools get shot up? He knows he'll be the only one with the gun.
 
2013-09-16 04:25:50 PM
 
2013-09-16 04:26:09 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-16 04:26:16 PM
Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.
 
2013-09-16 04:26:34 PM

Arkanaut: The two officials spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Yeah, I'm going to give at least 2 to 1 against this being a trustworthy tip.


Can we wait on the speculation and internet vigilantism until someone officially confirms this?
 
2013-09-16 04:26:40 PM

T-Servo: Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?

The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.


Ah, oh well.  Are they giving any background about him?
 
2013-09-16 04:26:54 PM

probesport: There once was a man named Alexis
Who came from the great state of Texas
He shot crowds with his gun
SWAT ended his fun
Now somebody has to clean up the messes.


i1.ytimg.com

/I can do better... "There once was a man from Nantucket and... *crash* Ooof! Doh!"
 
2013-09-16 04:27:02 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


This.

Go ahead and try to unring that bell though.
 
2013-09-16 04:27:08 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


So, by inference, you're saying that "people not getting murdered with guns" is something that conservatives oppose?
 
2013-09-16 04:27:15 PM
Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.
 
2013-09-16 04:27:18 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


I know! why aren't there ever any abortion rampages!?
 
GBB
2013-09-16 04:27:28 PM
www.spartanburgteaparty.org
 
2013-09-16 04:27:37 PM

LandOfChocolate: Arkanaut: The two officials spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Yeah, I'm going to give at least 2 to 1 against this being a trustworthy tip.

Can we wait on the speculation and internet vigilantism until someone officially confirms this?


You do know what site you're posting on, right?
 
2013-09-16 04:27:38 PM

minoridiot: This should be impossible. Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


But what if I got that criminal record from some other state full of liberal queers?
 
2013-09-16 04:27:43 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


This.
 
2013-09-16 04:27:57 PM
ThatDarkFellow

If only they were armed

Would be good derp but for the fact that that this is a no guns allowed zone.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:04 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


It's the navy.

A friend of the family said he once stood guard duty at a naval base in Italy when he was a sailor - and they gave him a wooden mockup of a rifle to carry.

Marines only guard important naval assets - we didn't even provide security at the Charleston Naval Base when I visited there on a few occasions (They were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:18 PM
i1260.photobucket.com

RIP Alexis Texas
 
2013-09-16 04:28:31 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:34 PM

LandOfChocolate: Arkanaut: The two officials spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Yeah, I'm going to give at least 2 to 1 against this being a trustworthy tip.

Can we wait on the speculation and internet vigilantism until someone officially confirms this?


Interesting.  My accusing the AP of speculation and vigilantism has in turn been painted as speculation and internet vigilantism.

What a world we live in.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:46 PM
Now I can't stop thinking about Alexis Texas.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:48 PM
Was the multiple shooters thing debunked? I have not been able to keep up with this story.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:49 PM
A disgruntled employee, no doubt.
Undoubtedly a security clearance was involved.
Bet the shooter had one.

Disgrunt.
Disgrunt.
Disgrunt.
 
2013-09-16 04:28:57 PM

Arkanaut: T-Servo: Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?

The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.

Ah, oh well.  Are they giving any background about him?


No, they're asking for anyone who knew him to call the FBI. They'll post some info on fbi.gov but only what they want out.

13 dead, at least dozen wounded
 
2013-09-16 04:29:08 PM
This is very sad.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:14 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


"HE'S VIOLENT BECAUSE OF VIDEO GAMES"....COME ON DOWN!!!! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON 'THE KNEE JERK REACTION TO TRAGEDY IS RIGHT'!!
 
2013-09-16 04:29:20 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


Thank goodness we know now.  I guess that settles it.  We will now have rampant violence against black buddhist Texans and Obamacare is a disaster.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:24 PM
pppffft.  Last thread was better.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:30 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


Well that's no way to attain Nirvana.

/But congrats on beating Nirvana's body count.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:35 PM

OnlyM3: ThatDarkFellow

If only they were armed
Would be good derp but for the fact that that this is a no guns allowed zone.



...except for the armed security.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:37 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


Well I work at a PD and the office workers aren't allowed to carry weapons in the building because it is illegal to have a weapon in a government building. 90% of the time there is no weapon-carrying officers at the PD because they are out on patrol or in court.
 
2013-09-16 04:29:51 PM
Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.
 
2013-09-16 04:30:20 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

This one knows too much, brotherssssss. Time to take him out.


Alex Jones has already spoken:

"You better believe that even if they're just pure jihadis that did this, even connected to Al-Qaeda groups out of the Middle East being commanded by the leader of Al-Qaeda last Friday to attack the United States... even if that's the case, you can believe, like the last three or four cases, they're going to try to connect it to Inforwars.com and yours truly, part of the long-term demonization campaign," Jones explained.
 
2013-09-16 04:30:35 PM
ussoccerplayers.com
R.I.P. Alexilalas
 
2013-09-16 04:30:59 PM

T-Servo: Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?

The FBI is confirming the name at a press conference right now.


Since he's dead they had plenty of time to ID him as well.  Also find the reports of Multiple shooters HIGHLY unlikely at this point and bet they will end up being Fog of battle type stuff
 
2013-09-16 04:31:03 PM
yeesh. 13 dead.
 
2013-09-16 04:31:38 PM

OnlyM3: ThatDarkFellow

If only they were armed
Would be good derp but for the fact that that this is a no guns allowed zone.


So when he shot the onsite security and took his weapon, it was what? A fake gun he took?
 
2013-09-16 04:31:38 PM
I tell you what the police are missing here -- the shooting suspect is missing a middle name.  Everyone knows these maniacal, homicidal nuts have to have three names to join the Krazy Killer Klub.
 
2013-09-16 04:31:48 PM
Alexis Texas used her ass as a distraction.
 
2013-09-16 04:31:52 PM
I guess the tree of liberty has been refreshed for today. Gosh, it sure is thirsty.
 
2013-09-16 04:31:56 PM
Texas is the second most populous state and probably the most populous gun owning state, it's probably not supposed to happen but I'm sure mistakes can be made and a permit handed out.
 
2013-09-16 04:32:04 PM

Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas


Great minds.
 
2013-09-16 04:32:05 PM

mediablitz: Obama's Reptiloid Master: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

This one knows too much, brotherssssss. Time to take him out.

Alex Jones has already spoken:

"You better believe that even if they're just pure jihadis that did this, even connected to Al-Qaeda groups out of the Middle East being commanded by the leader of Al-Qaeda last Friday to attack the United States... even if that's the case, you can believe, like the last three or four cases, they're going to try to connect it to Inforwars.com and yours truly, part of the long-term demonization campaign," Jones explained.


How did he escape the purges? I tell you, goons are NOT what they used to be.

When we had Reagan in office, those were some goons. You find me a man of Ollie North's devotion to the mission today. Go ahead. Try.
 
2013-09-16 04:32:06 PM
"As many as two gunmen..."

Uh huh.
 
2013-09-16 04:32:27 PM

BunkoSquad: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

"HE'S VIOLENT BECAUSE OF VIDEO GAMES"....COME ON DOWN!!!! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON 'THE KNEE JERK REACTION TO TRAGEDY IS RIGHT'!!


Get ready to see a lot of GTA5 coverage.
 
2013-09-16 04:32:34 PM

Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.


Not up on Texas CHLs, but if he had the CHL and then got a criminal record, how quickly does the CHL get revoked?
 
2013-09-16 04:32:50 PM

Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.


No, the Texas law includes class A and class B misdemeanors.  About the only thing excluded is traffic offenses.
 
2013-09-16 04:33:08 PM
This is why I hang my hat in Tennesee.
 
2013-09-16 04:33:12 PM

OnlyM3: Yeah he did insert that 2 teleprompter line in his attack the republicans and self congratulatory speech

Don't let a tragedy interfere with your derp zero.


Interesting that you had to post the Obama quote so you could COMPLAIN ABOUT THE POLITICS.

Gosh, aren't you just above it all!
 
2013-09-16 04:33:18 PM

FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.


maybe we will get lucky and he left a manifesto somewhere. otherwise all we can do is speculate as to why he did it. did he lose his job due to the sequester? was he angry at an individual there and just went crazy? from his history he didn't need to have a gun but Hell anyone can get a gun.
 
2013-09-16 04:33:26 PM

Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?


i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-09-16 04:33:33 PM
He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

Way to go, Texas. 'tards.
 
2013-09-16 04:33:45 PM
I'd like to know if there's any history of mental illness.  I know not all mass shooters like this are disturbed, but enough of them are that it warrants the question.
 
2013-09-16 04:33:49 PM
This was pretty good, but I'm sure the next one will be even better.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:01 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Six comments until "False Flag". Never change, Fark.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:07 PM
FrancoFile:LesserEvil:  OnlyM3: Nina_Hartley's_Ass

Illegal discharge in 2010? Now I wonder where he got his guns.
Biden says Administration Doesn't Have Time to Prosecute People Who Lie on Background Checks


For those who failed US Civics, zero is the head of the law enforcement branch. So yes, the buck does stop there.

[img2u.info image 604x338]
From the same page I linked above. Perhaps he was never arraigned on this charge? I'm not sure how he'd get a job as a contractor these days, to be honest. He stole somebody's  CAC Card to gain entry.


He used the CAC Card with a PIN Number to get into the area; kind of like using an ATM Machine.

That's a great point. I'd guess he had access to change the PIN, maybe acquired the card after the "mark" lost his job? Or he might have simply watched him key in the number when he entered a building, and stole it from him later?

The PIN is only 4 digits.

/I'm a contractor, but I telecommute, CAC expired a year ago and I haven't renewed it yet.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:21 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Yeah, he must be a n0oB... still had it set up to change weapons when he ran over one..
 
2013-09-16 04:34:23 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


FTA: Friends said he left the Navy because he didn't like to get up early.

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-16 04:34:33 PM
Wasn't Aaron Alexis a name in the Koran?  Sounds like another muzzie.  We win again, libs.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:36 PM

Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas


I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:41 PM

Prey4reign: I tell you what the police are missing here -- the shooting suspect is missing a middle name.  Everyone knows these maniacal, homicidal nuts have to have three names to join the Krazy Killer Klub.


I think that only applies for serial killers and assassins with specific targets.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:46 PM
One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:50 PM

probesport: There once was a man named Alexis
Who came from the great state of Texas
He shot crowds with his gun
SWAT ended his fun
Now somebody has to clean up the messes.


Too soon, man... too soon

/*snicker*
 
2013-09-16 04:34:51 PM
The Freepers are deeply disappointed that he is not a Muslim. But he is black, so they have THAT going for them.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:55 PM

SourImplant: BunkoSquad: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

"HE'S VIOLENT BECAUSE OF VIDEO GAMES"....COME ON DOWN!!!! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON 'THE KNEE JERK REACTION TO TRAGEDY IS RIGHT'!!

Get ready to see a lot of GTA5 coverage.


BBC World went straight from a review of GTA6 (awesome game, they say) to the DC press briefing without a trace of irony.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:55 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


OMG LIBS LIBS LIBS BAAAAAH BIG PHARMA LIBS LIIIIIIIIIIBS THE GUBBMENT WANTS YOU TO GET VACCINES ERMAHGERD OFARKBINGO WANTS TO TAKE MAH GUNSSSS LIBSSSSS LIIIIIIIBS KILL EVERYONE ON WELFARE OMG LIIIIIIIIBS!! LIBS EVERYWHERE!
 
2013-09-16 04:35:12 PM
Alexis ...Texas?
(I'm not the only one who put those two names together.. right?)

-------------------

As a current DoD contractor myself, prior military, and having worked on military installations and off-site locations.. it's VERY easy to get a gun in a building..and unless you're chosen for a random vehicle search, it's easy to get one on a base. Heck, even if you have one on you in a case.. you could be headed to the armory anyhow.. so getting a gun onto a military base isn't hard at all.

Not many DoD buildings have metal detectors at all, unless you're going into a HQ-type building, even then it's typically badge+ pin access.

I could walk into my building (500+ people) today with a chainsaw and nobody would stop me. A pistol? Easy.. a rifle.. not too hard either.
I don't proclaim to know the physical security layout of the naval yard.. but as an example, I've driven on to Cape Canaveral, in a rental car.. with 3 large backs of work equipment and never given anything more than a head nod.

I think a lot of you are misled into what the protection mechanisms are for most DoD/DoD-contractor facilities.
 
2013-09-16 04:35:14 PM
thyblackman.com

//where's your Zimmerman now?
 
2013-09-16 04:35:27 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


FTFA: "Upon learning of his death, Suthamtewakul said, " 'Wait, he's dead? I call him, but he doesn't answer phone."

Fine reporting

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
 
2013-09-16 04:35:30 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


truthalliance.net

Go on...
 
2013-09-16 04:35:30 PM
his name was Alexis Texas?
 
2013-09-16 04:36:10 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.
 
2013-09-16 04:36:15 PM

mediablitz: OnlyM3: Yeah he did insert that 2 teleprompter line in his attack the republicans and self congratulatory speech

Don't let a tragedy interfere with your derp zero.

Interesting that you had to post the Obama quote so you could COMPLAIN ABOUT THE POLITICS.

Gosh, aren't you just above it all!


He wrote in the last thread that a single gunshot constitutes a rampage. By that logic, 2 teleprompter lines means Obama basically devoted an entire SOTU speech to this.
 
2013-09-16 04:36:17 PM
forums.na.leagueoflegends.com
 
2013-09-16 04:36:21 PM

GBB: [www.spartanburgteaparty.org image 546x545]


Remove about 60% of those dots and you've got an accurate image.
 
2013-09-16 04:36:24 PM
I always get a kick when they interview the mass murderers' neighbors and they describe the suspects as "polite". Maybe it's just me, but shooting people seems to be the polar opposite of "polite".

How's does one go about politely kicking a puppy?

cdn.cutestpaw.comPLEASE TAKE THAT, Trayvon! Thank you.
 
2013-09-16 04:36:25 PM

netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.


"The central tenet of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'!"

eplacencia.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-16 04:36:31 PM
Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?
 
2013-09-16 04:36:45 PM
Link to live feed?
 
2013-09-16 04:36:46 PM
www.satanarise.com
He had one of their LPs?
 
2013-09-16 04:37:04 PM
FTA:
One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.



If concealed carry weapon permits are banned only criminals ... never mind.
 
2013-09-16 04:37:32 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


The unorganized militia.
 
2013-09-16 04:37:38 PM

mithras_angel: Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.

Not up on Texas CHLs, but if he had the CHL and then got a criminal record, how quickly does the CHL get revoked?


They would have sent him a letter revoking his permit after the conviction.
 
2013-09-16 04:37:53 PM
Outlier! Statistical anomaly! Random isolated incident!

FALSE FLAG OPERATION!
 
2013-09-16 04:37:58 PM
Django unchained!
 
2013-09-16 04:37:58 PM

Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas



Came for on Alexis Texas.  Leaving very satisfied.

[DAT_ASS.JPG]
 
2013-09-16 04:38:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: Wasn't Aaron Alexis a name in the Koran?  Sounds like another muzzie.  We win again, libs.


Alexis starts with "Al" just like "Al-Qaeda"!
 
2013-09-16 04:39:04 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


I feel your pain. It must suck to have facts and data consistently side with your opponents.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:08 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.


from your link:
Upon learning of his death, Suthamtewakul said, " 'Wait, he's dead? I call him, but he doesn't answer phone."

Well yeah, cause you know, he's dead now, it'd be kinda odd if he answered the phone, being dead n'all
 
2013-09-16 04:39:18 PM

FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.


It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:36 PM

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:57 PM
Better education would have taught him that this would be a wrong thing to do and not to do it.  I mean, there are laws against killing people so how can this happen?  More laws against killing people?

(I forgot where the sarcasm starts and ends there so you just take your pick)
 
2013-09-16 04:40:04 PM
So, it is now 4:35 EST. How much longer will it be before a national political figure tries to score points on this? It could go either way, party wise, at this point. Something tells me that a flood a derp is about to hit our national discourse soon.

What are we thinking, 5:00, 6:00, or 4:50?

On a serious note, I hope all farkers (and non farkers) near the area are safe. This whole thing is just awful.
 
2013-09-16 04:40:10 PM
yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...
 
2013-09-16 04:40:19 PM

Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?


yeah.  make sure we have the right guy before we hang the farker.
 
2013-09-16 04:40:43 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Yeah those damn tragedy hating libs. :(
 
2013-09-16 04:40:47 PM

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


Depends. I live a few blocks away, and the nearby Marine installations certainly are armed. Hell, there's a parking lot on L Street with a 24-hour two Marine standing watch at the entrance, armed with M4s or (more commonly) shotguns, and the Marine Barracks on 8th swarm with armed Marines.

But your typical sailor isn't like that.
 
2013-09-16 04:40:50 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


If they don't like our laws, they should move to another cou...oh yeah.
 
2013-09-16 04:40:56 PM

walkerhound: Why wasn't anyone there ARMED?!?


It's a naval base. It's really a biotch carrying around ships while you work.
 
2013-09-16 04:41:01 PM

someonelse: Was the multiple shooters thing debunked? I have not been able to keep up with this story.


Somebody claimed to have seen a guy in a military uniform with a weapon, just before or after the shooting began.

/shots were fired from a grassy knoll
 
2013-09-16 04:41:28 PM

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


This is because the military, unlike the redneck, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, gun-totin' rest of AMURICA practices gun control.
 
2013-09-16 04:41:51 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Key word: should.
 
2013-09-16 04:41:56 PM

yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.


Sounds like it was probably a disgruntled worker, so I'll put my money on your horse.
 
2013-09-16 04:42:09 PM

minoridiot: No, the Texas law includes class A and class B misdemeanors.


GC §411.172. ELIGIBILITY. (a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
(1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
(2) is at least 21 years of age;
(3) has not been convicted of a felony;
(4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;
(5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense;

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf
 
2013-09-16 04:42:23 PM
 
2013-09-16 04:42:29 PM

vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.


And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.  It's a political decision not a common sense one.
 
2013-09-16 04:42:51 PM
Still can't wrap my head around the mentality.  "I want to not be alive anymore.  But before I go, I'd better be a tremendous asshole and ruin dozens of lives."  Don't think I'll ever understand that.  Assuming this was some lone disgruntled prick that is.
 
2013-09-16 04:43:01 PM
I blame the gays.
 
2013-09-16 04:43:12 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


It doesn't say the permit is from Texas.
 
2013-09-16 04:43:18 PM
I know someone who won't be playing the new GTA 5...except in real life.
 
2013-09-16 04:43:40 PM
He is from New York, so he didn't have a concealed weapons permit.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/
 
2013-09-16 04:43:45 PM

RedVentrue: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

security reasons. Why do you think so many schools get shot up? He knows he'll be the only one with the gun.


No, that's because they're sick farks.

I promise you you'd get better kill numbers in a Walmart, even if a few of the hillbillies are numbskulls with guns as well.
 
2013-09-16 04:43:54 PM
Pay no heed; This is just a publicity stunt for GTA 5

/doinitrite
 
2013-09-16 04:43:56 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


you know how I know you're never been inside a military base?
 
2013-09-16 04:44:32 PM

OnlyM3: fta
President Barack Obama mourned yet another mass shooting in the U.S. that he said took the lives of American patriots. Obama promised to make sure "whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible."
Yeah he did insert that 2 teleprompter line in his attack the republicans and self congratulatory speech

Don't let a tragedy interfere with your derp zero.


www.cosplayhouse.com

Better start watching what you say about this guy, or you're next on his list.  You keep flapping them gums, and he's going to help make 'em flap for real.

/An idle mind is
//A very dangerous thing
///I think of violence
 
2013-09-16 04:44:37 PM

Prey4reign: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

This is because the military, unlike the redneck, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, gun-totin' rest of AMURICA practices gun control.


That's the most retarded thing I've ever read.  The military should be the MOST competent and trusted with firearms.  More evidence of the deranged idea that the firearm is the problem and not the capability of the carrier.
 
2013-09-16 04:44:46 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Wait, I thought they were soul bound if the other people had enabled them?
 
2013-09-16 04:45:19 PM

Dirtybird971: I know someone 12 people who won't be playing the new GTA 5...except in real life.


Hope they didn't pre-order.
 
2013-09-16 04:45:29 PM

davidphogan: yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.

You're probably right.


He may have been both. At the same time. Explains why he snapped.
 
2013-09-16 04:45:43 PM
If only they hadn't taken god out of the military
 
2013-09-16 04:45:47 PM

Hobodeluxe: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

maybe we will get lucky and he left a manifesto somewhere.


Hardly matters anyhow. He could have a shelf of Hannity books and leave a manifesto saying that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. And no one would really care. Liberal media my ass.
 
2013-09-16 04:45:50 PM

Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas


You take that back! her ass is round as the sun and will never die.
 
2013-09-16 04:45:57 PM

Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/


Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!
 
2013-09-16 04:46:01 PM
Well, what's important here is that no guns were harmed and the right for loonies to own guns remain secure.

Twelve dead people? Small price to pay for the rights of homicidal lunatics to have guns.
 
2013-09-16 04:46:11 PM

kvinesknows: his name was Alexis Texas?


That's just his stripper name.
 
2013-09-16 04:46:12 PM
The shooter
img.fark.net

imageshack.us

NRA strikes again.
 
2013-09-16 04:46:25 PM

Fark It: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

The unorganized militia.


An Army of One.
 
2013-09-16 04:47:03 PM

FLMountainMan: I blame the gays.


The area around the Navy Yard used to be home to a few gay nightclubs, it really wasnt the best part of town. When they built the stadium the old nightclubs closed.
 
2013-09-16 04:47:31 PM

strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...


You do know you're arguing FOR Federal gun control, right?
 
2013-09-16 04:47:40 PM

Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!


Maybe I can. from the middle of the article

"Alexis, 34, of New York, was a Navy aviation electrician's mate, third class, who spent time in Texas and Illinois. It was not immediately clear if he was still enlisted. "
 
2013-09-16 04:47:45 PM

BunkoSquad: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

"HE'S VIOLENT BECAUSE OF VIDEO GAMES"....COME ON DOWN!!!! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON 'THE KNEE JERK REACTION TO TRAGEDY IS RIGHT'!!


You gotta admit. He was pretty good at headshots. Maybe someone grounded him from CoD?
 
2013-09-16 04:47:46 PM

Altitude5280: The Freepers are deeply disappointed that he is not a Muslim. But he is black, so they have THAT going for them.


he could be a secret muslim, like our black President.
 
2013-09-16 04:47:48 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

Way to go, Texas. 'tards.


Star Telegram says he was arrested for discharge of a firearm within a municipality, but never actually charged.  So no criminal record.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accus ed -in-washington.html?rh=1
 
2013-09-16 04:47:49 PM

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.


Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?
 
2013-09-16 04:48:17 PM

Obscene_CNN: He is from New York, so he didn't have a concealed weapons permit.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/


Well sure he lived in Texas most of his life. But he did visit NY before heading to DC, so "from NY" is technically correct.
 
2013-09-16 04:48:48 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


Reality has a known Liberal bias.
 
2013-09-16 04:48:52 PM
another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.
 
2013-09-16 04:49:08 PM

vernonFL: FLMountainMan: I blame the gays.

The area around the Navy Yard used to be home to a few gay nightclubs, it really wasnt the best part of town. When they built the stadium the old nightclubs closed.


OMG it's worse than just gays -- it's gay ghosts!
 
2013-09-16 04:49:41 PM

Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/


Good old FoxNews. You can always count on them:


Although the motive was not yet known, the shooting brought to mind another mass shooting at a military base, on Nov. 5, 2009. That shooting, carried out by Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, an American-born Muslim who became a jihadist while in the military, left 13 dead and more than 30 injured.

Get that Muslim angle in there!
 
2013-09-16 04:49:42 PM
Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.  Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment.  Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-09-16 04:49:53 PM

AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.


You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?
 
2013-09-16 04:50:03 PM

FLMountainMan: I blame the gays.


I think I'm gonna go the jews this time. Or maybe...maybe gay jews. Yeah. Yeah, gay jews.
 
2013-09-16 04:50:05 PM
as soon as i saw his pic, i felt a great disturbance at fox news - as if hundreds of boners stiffened in unison...
 
2013-09-16 04:50:07 PM

AngryDragon: The military should be the MOST competent and trusted with firearms.


They are, that's why they don't let people who aren't trained specifically for certain situations from carrying weapons around bases and other installations. MPs can carry guns around, because they're part of their job and also because they're trained not only in using them but in dealing with various circumstances that may arise. Someone who spends their days sitting at a desk doing paper work may have gone and qualified at the range by that doesn't mean they're trained as the MPs are in how to deal with things, like someone walking around with a gun on base.
 
2013-09-16 04:50:11 PM

strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone


I thought he picked up a weapon from an armed guard in this "gun-free zone."
 
2013-09-16 04:50:42 PM
img.fark.net

Dave Chappelle never did get over having his series cancelled.
 
2013-09-16 04:50:57 PM

T-Servo: Depends. I live a few blocks away, and the nearby Marine installations certainly are armed. Hell, there's a parking lot on L Street with a 24-hour two Marine standing watch at the entrance, armed with M4s or (more commonly) shotguns, and the Marine Barracks on 8th swarm with armed Marines.

But your typical sailor isn't like that.


Only the guards and MPs are armed. All the other weapons for each unit are locked in large arms rooms. If someone gets past them (which isn't very hard if you have ID) then there is really no one in their path.

I don't care if you're an OORAHMARINEOMGSMASH, you're not bullet proof or armed
 
2013-09-16 04:51:10 PM

Obscene_CNN: Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!

Maybe I can. from the middle of the article

"Alexis, 34, of New York, was a Navy aviation electrician's mate, third class, who spent time in Texas and Illinois. It was not immediately clear if he was still enlisted. "


He lived in NY 10 years ago. He was arrested for firing his gun and evicted from his Fort Worth apt in 2010. I have no idea why Fox News would consider him from NY now...
 
2013-09-16 04:51:10 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?


It is a Fark Progressives greatest dream that one of these incidents will have been  perpetrated by a straight, white,  middle aged, male, tea party/NRA member, Christian, registered GOP, pro-lifer, having something to do with either the coal or oil industry.  Failing that they will settle for a disgruntled  now ex-government employee because of sequestration.

Given that the perp is a black American male and given  that they tend to vote Democrat in the 95% or better range I think the odds are better than average that the perp is a Democrat if he is a member of any political party

What I can't understand is why a Black American male would feel the need to do this seeing how much that demographics  conditions have improved under this administration.
 
2013-09-16 04:51:15 PM

OnlyM3: SpectroBoy

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

I feel your pain. It must suck to have facts and data consistently side with your opponents.

That must explain the liberal butt hurt
Andrew Joseph Stack - IRS Building attack : Posted his anti-business, anti-bush, anti-religion, anti-"big pharm", anti-capitalist manifesto online prior to committing murder.


James Von Brunn - Holocaust Museum Shooter: Registered Democrat, anti-Christian, 9/11 truther, hated the Bushes and raged about "the neo-cons"


James Chester Blanning - Aspen Co. bomber: Made bombs off gasoline and cell phone parts and came with notes warning of "mass death." and planted them in banks and an alleyway. His suicide note contained "Do not f*** with us or there will be mass death like we have all been part of over in that f***ing quicksand trap that rove and chaney's monkey bush put us into where so many of our soul mates and brothers died very horrible deaths."

"monkey bush"... an appopriate form of political speech, right zero supporters?


The Weathermen (Bill Ayers) - Friend of obama and murderer : Involved with 25 bombings, they intended to kill members of the military. In 2001 Bill Ayers said, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

Carol Anne Burger - Huffington Post killer : Stabbed her roommate 222 times with a screwdriver before she killed herself. Burger's last story for the HuffPO before she went down the memory hole? "Christian School Teacher Takes Female Students to Palin Rally." Yes, those Christians and Palin fans -- they're the ones you have to watch out for.


Amy Bishop - 2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting: Obama-loving amy took a gun to work and murdered 3 of her coworkers and injured 3 more.


Bradley Neal Crowder - Manufactured firebombs then brought them to the Republican National Convention. Member of the left wing "Austin Affinity Group"

Floyd Lee Corkins - Family Research center shooti ...


Is this some sort of stream-of-consciousness performance art?
 
2013-09-16 04:51:16 PM
At least this mass-shooter isn't white.
 
2013-09-16 04:51:34 PM
This just in, he also likes U2, Pepsi, and microsoft. The guy was clearly insane.

/what does being from Texas matter?
 
2013-09-16 04:51:45 PM

GRCooper: strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...

You do know you're arguing FOR Federal gun control, right?


I laugh every time I see the "gun-free zones caused this!" argument. They just don't realize how stupid it is.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:07 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.


MOAR GUNS!

Seriously though, on behalf of the sane population I would just like to thank you. You and your fellow gun nuts have won the debate. We will never be able to control the amount of guns in this country, you have mad it an all or nothing scenario. We thank you for yet another mass shooting.

/someone reset the clock please.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:11 PM
I'm praying for Omarion.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:15 PM
Not the one guy acting alone thing again...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-16 04:52:20 PM

hundreddollarman: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.


O_O????  This won't get me anywhere, but the power of the FWC and/or maple vodak compels you to explain yourself!!  :D
 
2013-09-16 04:52:24 PM

GRCooper: pppffft.  Last thread was better.


agreed.  this is sloppy seconds.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:31 PM
SURPRISE MOTHAfrkkA
 
2013-09-16 04:52:31 PM

AngryDragon: Prey4reign: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

This is because the military, unlike the redneck, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, gun-totin' rest of AMURICA practices gun control.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever read.  The military should be the MOST competent and trusted with firearms.  More evidence of the deranged idea that the firearm is the problem and not the capability of the carrier.


This was the Navy Yard, though.

Most Navy ratings don't require any firearms training or certifications.  So they not only don't have firearms (under most circumstances), but they also don't have the training for them.  Naval civilians, likewise, don't have any normal reason (or authorization) to carry firearms while on base.

And most bases prohibit concealed carry.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:37 PM
Thank goodness we have all these spy drones watching us, NSA eavesdropping and thousands of public/street cameras everywhere to spot these mass shooters before they strike.
 
2013-09-16 04:52:45 PM
You know what we need in times like these?  We need a daring, highly trained special mission force.  It's purpose?  To defend human freedom against ruthless terrorist organizations determined to rule the world.
 
2013-09-16 04:53:01 PM

HailRobonia: netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.

"The central tenet of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself'!"

[eplacencia.files.wordpress.com image 320x240]


FTA "One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit."

I'm thinking the media want to blame the guy's concealed carry permit.
 
2013-09-16 04:53:06 PM

OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns. Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment. Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.


In this case, police with guns were seconds away. The first thing he did was shoot the guy with the gun and take it. Gave him more ammo to kill innocent people.

Your argument is AWESOME!!!
 
2013-09-16 04:53:06 PM

vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?


I wouldn't go so far as to consider the Navy THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms. I think most of them only fire them at basic training.
 
2013-09-16 04:53:40 PM

SuperNinjaToad: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

you know how I know you're never been inside a military base?


Yah, most people haven't. So... ? What's the deal?
 
2013-09-16 04:53:42 PM

someonelse: OnlyM3: SpectroBoy

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

I feel your pain. It must suck to have facts and data consistently side with your opponents.

That must explain the liberal butt hurt
Andrew Joseph Stack - IRS Building attack : Posted his anti-business, anti-bush, anti-religion, anti-"big pharm", anti-capitalist manifesto online prior to committing murder.


James Von Brunn - Holocaust Museum Shooter: Registered Democrat, anti-Christian, 9/11 truther, hated the Bushes and raged about "the neo-cons"


James Chester Blanning - Aspen Co. bomber: Made bombs off gasoline and cell phone parts and came with notes warning of "mass death." and planted them in banks and an alleyway. His suicide note contained "Do not f*** with us or there will be mass death like we have all been part of over in that f***ing quicksand trap that rove and chaney's monkey bush put us into where so many of our soul mates and brothers died very horrible deaths."

"monkey bush"... an appopriate form of political speech, right zero supporters?


The Weathermen (Bill Ayers) - Friend of obama and murderer : Involved with 25 bombings, they intended to kill members of the military. In 2001 Bill Ayers said, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

Carol Anne Burger - Huffington Post killer : Stabbed her roommate 222 times with a screwdriver before she killed herself. Burger's last story for the HuffPO before she went down the memory hole? "Christian School Teacher Takes Female Students to Palin Rally." Yes, those Christians and Palin fans -- they're the ones you have to watch out for.


Amy Bishop - 2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting: Obama-loving amy took a gun to work and murdered 3 of her coworkers and injured 3 more.


Bradley Neal Crowder - Manufactured firebombs then brought them to the Republican National Convention. Member of the left wing "Austin Affinity Group"

Floyd Lee Corkins - Family Research center shoo ...


shhh...he's on a roll.  just grab some popcorn and sit back.
 
2013-09-16 04:53:47 PM

SuperNinjaToad: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

you know how I know you're never been inside a military base?


Um the Army Corps of Engineers is the military as well. They use blueprints and bulldozers. And a whole bunch of civilians.
 
2013-09-16 04:53:51 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-16 04:54:12 PM
Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra
 
2013-09-16 04:54:37 PM
OnlyM3: screed.

TL;DR
 
2013-09-16 04:54:57 PM
Due to my bad memory, I CHOOSE ALLITERATIVE NAMES, TRUE BELIEVERS!

www.badhaven.com
 
2013-09-16 04:55:35 PM
I submitted this with a funnier headline.
 
2013-09-16 04:55:37 PM

Infernalist: Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra


This is not the time to talk about gun control!
 
2013-09-16 04:55:42 PM
One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas

img209.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-16 04:55:42 PM
if you squint at his picture he looks a little muslish
 
2013-09-16 04:55:48 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

You take that back! her ass is round as the sun and will never die.


her ass makes my pants fit funny
 
2013-09-16 04:56:06 PM
 
2013-09-16 04:56:06 PM

SourImplant

Smartest
Funniest
2013-09-16 04:45:19 PM
Dirtybird971: I know someone 12 people who won't be playing the new GTA 5...except in real life.

Hope they didn't pre-order.


ouch.

I'm just glad they dealt with him the way all terrorists should be. Unlike that scumbag at Ft hood.
 
2013-09-16 04:56:29 PM

Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy


It shows he was open minded about religion.

It certainly doesn't rule out him being a recent convert to Islam. In my mind, it seems like it becomes more likely than if he had been a lifelong Baptist.
 
2013-09-16 04:56:33 PM

yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.


Yup.
It's broken.
It's getting weirder. We're trying to "lead the world!" but our own house isn't in order.
 
2013-09-16 04:56:52 PM

Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?


Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.
 
2013-09-16 04:56:59 PM
I wish these disgruntled guys would just kill themselves and leave a strongly worded suicide note
 
2013-09-16 04:57:06 PM

minoridiot: Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.

No, the Texas law includes class A and class B misdemeanors.  About the only thing excluded is traffic offenses.


And C, D, E, and F misdemeanors, as in the majority of misdemeanors...
 
2013-09-16 04:57:15 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


There's armed security at the gates, and on patrol, just like any local police force. Navy security responded to the scene within a couple minutes; one of the first shooting victims was Navy security. DC Metro PD was there in 7 minutes, followed by every cop in the galaxy.

When you have a hard perimeter, and everyone has supposedly passed a security check, you don't worry so much about having armed guards every six feet. But no, combat troops (what combat troops you would have at a staff command) aren't armed, because they're killers, not cops. They're not trained to respond to hostage situations. You arm them only when the enemy is in range.
 
2013-09-16 04:57:18 PM

SourImplant: Dirtybird971: I know someone 12 people who won't be playing the new GTA 5...except in real life.

Hope they didn't pre-order.


That is entirely too soon and highly inappropriate!!

Good job.
 
2013-09-16 04:57:20 PM
What someone that uses Buddhist meditation to focus his aggression might look like:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-16 04:57:24 PM

yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.


Welcome to fa...

You're right.
 
2013-09-16 04:57:28 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?


He's black, duh.
 
2013-09-16 04:57:54 PM
Wow. Are we really to believe that any of the talking heads or politicians are "shocked" or "surprised" by this? I know it's a key part of the script, but c'mon.
 
2013-09-16 04:58:00 PM

AngryDragon: Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


Lulz whut? I've been in for awhile now and I don't remember anyone talking about the good old days when they could carry on base
 
2013-09-16 04:58:05 PM
Time to take away the cops guns

" Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun, News4's Jackie Bensen reported. He shot a security officer in the head, killing him, and took his 9 mm pistol and a magazine of ammunition. The shooter then continued through the building, and seemed to target his victims, who were mostly on the third and fourth floors. D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department and several other law enforcement agencies responded with active shooter teams, Bensen said. During that response, a MPD officer was shot in the leg. The gunman was then shot by a FBI hostage response team, Bensen said. According to what witnesses are telling investigators, by the time the shootings ended, the gunman was seen with a semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and an AR-15 assault rifle. Authorities are investigating whether the gunman took the D.C. police officers' rifle."

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/Confirmed-Shoote r- at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_MIB rand
 
2013-09-16 04:58:23 PM
jarrodpeterson4.files.wordpress.com

The sharp shooter strikes again!
 
2013-09-16 04:58:31 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Charges were dropped.
 
2013-09-16 04:58:38 PM

SuperNinjaToad: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

you know how I know you're never been inside a military base?


I used to do graphics for interactive course-ware for the Navy's AEGIS Combat System. Been here a fair number of times:

farm3.staticflickr.com

Even still, that was back in the late 80s/early 90s. When you have more than a couple events where people have shot up installations, you'd think they'd have changed things.

Hell, back then the worst I could ever expect is being approached by some KGB agent. I didn't deal with secret info, so there was really no risk of that, but there were people in the area who had been...
 
2013-09-16 04:58:56 PM

vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?


The Commander in Chief, Bill Clinton when it was enacted in 1993.
 
2013-09-16 04:58:58 PM
www.autoworld.com
R.I.P. A Lexus
 
2013-09-16 04:59:00 PM
pbs.twimg.com
/
 
2013-09-16 04:59:19 PM
Right Wing:

He's Black -- YAY!!!
From Texas -- SH*T
Used to live in New York -- YAY!!!
Ex-Military -- SH*T
He's Buddhist -- YAY!!!
 
2013-09-16 04:59:42 PM

Guns n' Farkin Roses: [jarrodpeterson4.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

The sharp shooter strikes again!


I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice the resemblance.
 
2013-09-16 04:59:48 PM
Does he have a facebook page? I've heard that people that don't have one should be considered suspicious.
 
2013-09-16 04:59:50 PM

leevis: vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?

I wouldn't go so far as to consider the Navy THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms. I think most of them only fire them at basic training.


Yeah, but he said their on-base disarmament is a political decision and not a common sense one, so it must be true.  I bet every one of those people on that yard was expertly trained in close-quarters, urban combat scenarios, and would instantly work as a perfect team in such a situation if only the Navy had allowed them to be armed.  Stupid Navy!
 
2013-09-16 05:00:35 PM

yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.


This^

Unfortunately nicely said, Mr or Ms yeabuddy.
 
2013-09-16 05:00:43 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Coming soon to a school near you.
 
2013-09-16 05:00:43 PM
flyupfitness.com

/was already going to hell anyways
 
2013-09-16 05:01:00 PM

Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

Lulz whut? I've been in for awhile now and I don't remember anyone talking about the good old days when they could carry on base


Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban
 
2013-09-16 05:01:10 PM

brantgoose: kvinesknows: his name was Alexis Texas?

That's just his stripper name.


soo..he is Hanna Montanna?
 
2013-09-16 05:01:25 PM

probesport: There once was a man named Alexis
Who came from the great state of Texas
He shot crowds with his gun
SWAT ended his fun
Now somebody has to clean up the messes.


You know he knows exactly what the facts is.
 
2013-09-16 05:01:34 PM
Finally evacuated from building 201, being bussed to Nationals stadium...
 
2013-09-16 05:01:35 PM

T-Servo: [pbs.twimg.com image 213x203]
/


Sh*t just got serious.
 
2013-09-16 05:01:37 PM
Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.
 
2013-09-16 05:01:42 PM
What a less-shooty Alexis might look like:

ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-09-16 05:02:03 PM

AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban


Well holy sh*t, I stand corrected
 
2013-09-16 05:02:04 PM

megarian: yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.

This^

Unfortunately nicely said, Mr or Ms yeabuddy.


agree.
 
2013-09-16 05:02:20 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.
 
2013-09-16 05:02:30 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Looks like someone just couldn't wait until Tuesday for Grand Theft Auto V.
 
2013-09-16 05:02:37 PM

FlashHarry: as soon as i saw his pic, i felt a great disturbance at fox news - as if hundreds of boners stiffened in unison...




While progressives everywhere still suffer from erectile dysfunction


Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American
 
2013-09-16 05:02:53 PM

valar_morghulis: At least this mass-shooter isn't white.


Why?  White people are not disproportionately more likely to be serial killers than anyone else....OK, except for Asians.  That serial killer and pedo crap is some popular belief, but not true.  Whites lose again in those contests.
 
2013-09-16 05:02:59 PM

minoridiot: This should be impossible. Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Class A misdemeanor over an AD, never formally charged apparently.
 
2013-09-16 05:03:28 PM

Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

Lulz whut? I've been in for awhile now and I don't remember anyone talking about the good old days when they could carry on base


Wow, it's a shame that no GOP president, especially from a place like Texas, were in office after Clinton so they could have rescinded a political stunt-order like that.
 
2013-09-16 05:03:48 PM

AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


LMMFAO. I was stationed in Pearl Harbor during Reagan. SCOTUS had decided this long before I served.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:22 PM

LesserEvil: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

It's the navy.

A friend of the family said he once stood guard duty at a naval base in Italy when he was a sailor - and they gave him a wooden mockup of a rifle to carry.

Marines only guard important naval assets - we didn't even provide security at the Charleston Naval Base when I visited there on a few occasions (They were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.


The real security is usually local, and often civilian contractors. In Italy, the Italians would guard the outside perimeter, with the Americans working the less dangerous gate inside. Marines have been so busy down range that they've been taken off their traditional role of guarding extremely high-security installations, and the Navy has created a professional specialty rating of security police (instead of giving any random sailor a weapon, they way they did when I was ship's guard force on a destroyer in the '80s).

In Iraq, inside the Green Zone, the security guards were private contractor types, most of them from South America. It was more useful to know Spanish than Arabic.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:27 PM

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?

The Commander in Chief, Bill Clinton when it was enacted in 1993.


Riiiiight. Everybody in office buildings on base was armed before ol' Bill.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:30 PM

Into the blue again: Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.

MOAR GUNS!

Seriously though, on behalf of the sane population I would just like to thank you. You and your fellow gun nuts have won the debate. We will never be able to control the amount of guns in this country, you have mad it an all or nothing scenario. We thank you for yet another mass shooting.

/someone reset the clock please.


If Sideshow Bob hadn't had access to guns he probably just would have strapped on a dynamite vest and killed twice as many people. Crazy people are gonna kill, guns or no guns.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:33 PM
si0.twimg.comRIP Art Alexakis
 
2013-09-16 05:04:42 PM

Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban

Well holy sh*t, I stand corrected


Although that being said, I don't trust 99% of my brothers in arms with personal firearms.

BUT, being in the Reserves we have a lot of police officers. They're legally allowed to carry outside of the gate but can't even bring their weapon on post. I'm in the process of becoming a cop in Maryland, I have to carry all the time so it's going to be a pain when going to drill and coming home.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:45 PM

OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.


At least TWO of the victims were armed, genius.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:48 PM

Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.


You're not a lawyer.

Misdemeanor Domestic violence - no go for any guns/chl

Misdemeanor Assault/battery - no go for any chl

Misdemeanor gun charge - no go for chl
 
2013-09-16 05:05:24 PM

BafflerMeal: Due to my bad memory, I CHOOSE ALLITERATIVE NAMES, TRUE BELIEVERS!

[www.badhaven.com image 850x546]


Well, I guess you got Warren Worthington in there....
 
2013-09-16 05:05:25 PM

Godscrack: Thank goodness we have all these spy drones watching us, NSA eavesdropping and thousands of public/street cameras everywhere to spot these mass shooters before they strike.


Newsflash:  Contrary to the repeated assertions, NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.  Also, I don't think anyone believes that CC cameras are intended to stop mass shootings, but they're useful for evidence after a crime has been committed.
 
2013-09-16 05:05:46 PM

hasty ambush: FlashHarry: as soon as i saw his pic, i felt a great disturbance at fox news - as if hundreds of boners stiffened in unison...

While progressives everywhere still suffer from erectile dysfunction


Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American


When did Salon become the left's American Thinker?
 
2013-09-16 05:05:48 PM
I'm glad they took the time to mention he was a CPL holder. It was clearly an important aspect of the story and in no way is part of a political agenda.
 
2013-09-16 05:06:48 PM
Because military personnel are some of the most mentally stable people on earf, they should all be walking around with firearms when not in combat theaters.
 
2013-09-16 05:07:19 PM
So. Let me get this straight. A sailor comes back from spending months sweltering at sea, some of which can get a bit hairy and butt puckering. Comes home to where he thinks he's safe and sound, and faces this shiat?

No no, not cool. This is not the way we treat our military. FFS.

/bro is in shipyard at Norfolk. Haven't heard from him, but not likely he's affected. Hopefully no one he knows got hurt. Serious serious bullshiat.
//will spend the next seven months worrying about him until he's out; Syria was less scary
 
2013-09-16 05:07:43 PM

win95o: Newsflash: Contrary to the repeated assertions, NSA is a foreign intelligence agency and doesn't actually spy on Americans.


Well, they're not supposed to...
 
2013-09-16 05:07:55 PM

yeabuddy: another sad day for america. another issue to turn into a left vs right, anti vs pro gun when in reality its just that we as a society are broken. no one benefits.



mediablitz: Right Wing:

He's Black -- YAY!!!
From Texas -- SH*T
Used to live in New York -- YAY!!!
Ex-Military -- SH*T
He's Buddhist -- YAY!!!

 
2013-09-16 05:08:16 PM

OscarTamerz: [www.washingtonpost.com image 296x375]

Are we still waiting for Obama to announce which relative he would resemble?  I'm going to guess either little brother or cousin.


Why would he do that, in your opinion?
 
2013-09-16 05:08:46 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


You are assuming that the permit was issued after the criminal activity occurred.
 
2013-09-16 05:08:55 PM

hasty ambush: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Over/under on when the right wing derposphere will start claiming the guy is a registered Democrat...?

It is a Fark Progressives greatest dream that one of these incidents will have been  perpetrated by a straight, white,  middle aged, male, tea party/NRA member, Christian, registered GOP, pro-lifer, having something to do with either the coal or oil industry.  Failing that they will settle for a disgruntled  now ex-government employee because of sequestration.

Given that the perp is a black American male and given  that they tend to vote Democrat in the 95% or better range I think the odds are better than average that the perp is a Democrat if he is a member of any political party

What I can't understand is why a Black American male would feel the need to do this seeing how much that demographics  conditions have improved under this administration.


Or maybe people with common sense understands that when someone goes batshiat with a gun, politics usually aren't involved.
 
2013-09-16 05:09:10 PM

Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.


And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.
 
2013-09-16 05:12:09 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban

Well holy sh*t, I stand corrected

Although that being said, I don't trust 99% of my brothers in arms with personal firearms.

BUT, being in the Reserves we have a lot of police officers. They're legally allowed to carry outside of the gate but can't even bring their weapon on post. I'm in the process of becoming a cop in Maryland, I have to carry all the time so it's going to be a pain when going to drill and coming home.


And that's why the policy is retarded.  People who are qualified to carry should be allowed to carry.
 
2013-09-16 05:12:10 PM
Knew it! Buddhist!

Religion of peace, my ass!

Buddhist scum.

At least he's the first name in serial killers.
 
2013-09-16 05:12:11 PM

AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban


If only we had a pro-gun Republican Congress with a borderline cowboy Texan President for 8 years - I'm sure they would have done something about it.
 
2013-09-16 05:12:31 PM
Can't it be someone from the pinko states for once?
 
2013-09-16 05:12:46 PM

OhioKnight: Knew it! Buddhist!

Religion of peace, my ass!

Buddhist scum.

At least he's the first name in serial killers.


they've been mass murdering in burma for a while now.
 
2013-09-16 05:13:01 PM

valar_morghulis: At least this mass-shooter isn't white.


Or white-Hispanic.
 
2013-09-16 05:13:04 PM
Plus, like it takes so long to turn those big giant barrels.
 
2013-09-16 05:13:06 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.


I'll say it again...

Born Baptist -> (Confused about faith) -> 'Devout' Buddhist -> ?????

He converted once, who's to say he didn't convert again?

I'd find it hard to believe someone who identifies as being a "Devout Buddhist" would go on a shooting spree. It's more likely he was experimenting "spiritually" as so many dumbasses do and settled on a more fundamental form of Islam.

A lot of the American islamist "Jihadis" we've seen in the last couple of decades were converts. These are usually people who are a bit unhinged, unable to find grounding in any particular faith because they don't seem to sync with the voices in their heads... until they hook up with the islamist message (NOTE: I'm not saying "Islam" - but "islamist"  - that fundamental, militant brand of Islam), where they focus on the message of the jihad that meshes all too well with those voices in their heads.

It's the same sort of person that gravitates to a place like the Westboro Baptist Church (although the people running that church are just using the idiots who join).

Beware of anybody who "converts" to another religion. They cast off one superstition to take up another - you simply can't trust a person like that to be rational.
 
2013-09-16 05:13:08 PM

Haoie: Can't it be someone from the pinko states for once?


How?  Don't gun bans work?
 
2013-09-16 05:13:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns.

At least TWO of the victims were armed, genius.


Yup, and the fact that he was able to rearm using the weapons there may have allowed him to kill more. He was finally taken down by a team that arrived from outside. Does not look like the people with guns on site slowed him down much.
 
2013-09-16 05:13:28 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.
 
2013-09-16 05:15:07 PM

AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


And come to think of it, why didn't President Bush rescind this? He had the power to do so for 8 years. Even had homeland security on his side. Why is this Obama's fault?

This is disingenuous. If it's a problem and should have been fixed, it should have been fixed before Obama was even in office. The GOP had a chance to correct this horrible oversight.
 
2013-09-16 05:15:59 PM
I visit MCAS Miramar and NAS North Island quite frequently, and both have armed guards at the gates.  Once you're inside, it's a bunch of people working - they are not armed and expecting a war to come to them inasmuch as you would be a teller at a bank expecting the next person to walk through the door to rob you so you have your hand on your 9mm with every account transaction.
If, however,  someone tries this shiat up at Pendleton at the gunnery range, then the guy wouldn't have killed 12.   Perspective, people...
 
2013-09-16 05:16:06 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Although that being said, I don't trust 99% of my brothers in arms with personal firearms.


This is the hilarious mischaracterization of this ban.  They make is sound nobody ever had to secure their firearms on base before Clinton.  However, the ban that went into effect was for personal firearms.  As far as I'm aware this had nothing to do with the securing of issued weapons on base, which is nothing new.
 
2013-09-16 05:16:30 PM
According to Buddha, all life is suffering and this is all just an illusion. So dont panic or cry or get angry. Remember we are all one, Alexis and you are the same. Alexis Texas, too for that matter.
 
2013-09-16 05:16:40 PM

LarryDan43: Infernalist: Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra

This is not the time to talk about gun control!


Sure it is!  Because a bomb would have been much better!

/crazy gonna cray
//killers gonna kill
 
2013-09-16 05:16:40 PM

doyner: Finally evacuated from building 201, being bussed to Nationals stadium...


Yikes.  I bet the beers there are expensive.
 
2013-09-16 05:16:57 PM

badhatharry: Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.


This point has already been made but most people in the military aren't trained in dealing with situations such as what happened today. Having a bunch of people walking around with weapons in case of a situation like this who aren't trained to deal with it could easily lead to it being worse.
 
2013-09-16 05:17:20 PM

AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


A. It's a Navy base; very few soldiers there. B. Military people aren't cops. They use guns as weapons of war. When you're INCONUS, there's not much chance of engaging the enemy. C. There are police on base, and they're armed. Some of them are military.

Soldiers are taught to use weapons in a very aggressive, lethal fashion. A lot of their training involves breaking down the natural reluctance to kill another person. When you let them have guns and ammo and booze, they tend to shoot each other and themselves at a fairly high rate. Seaman Schmuckatelli and GI Joe's guns are locked up in the armory when they're not on armed duty, where they belong.
 
2013-09-16 05:17:22 PM

Haoie: Can't it be someone from the pinko states for once?


We already had ours recently.

/Clackamas Town Center
 
2013-09-16 05:17:27 PM

minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.


Even if it's a misdemeanor marijuana charge 15 years ago?

If other posts in this thread are right though, he doesn't have a criminal record.
 
2013-09-16 05:17:35 PM
I just hope nobody hurts the N.R.A.'s feelings in the aftermath of all this. Stuff like this happens, then someone has the temerity to politely suggest the organization might slightly modify some aspect of its goals and /or mission.

Then, as if that's not enough, some folks take it further and try to ram things down N.R.A. members' throats - and what have they done to hurt anybody??

I guess what I'm trying to say is, Won't somebody think of the N.R.A.?
 
2013-09-16 05:18:44 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

RIP LEXIS NEXIS
 
2013-09-16 05:19:03 PM
Disassociated young teens
Militia extremists
Religious terrorists
Educated Asian
Mentally ill man
Buddhist

Is there anyone left for us have a knee jerk reaction to?
 
2013-09-16 05:20:07 PM

PainfulItching: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

And come to think of it, why didn't President Bush rescind this? He had the power to do so for 8 years. Even had homeland security on his side. Why is this Obama's fault?

This is disingenuous. If it's a problem and should have been fixed, it should have been fixed before Obama was even in office. The GOP had a chance to correct this horrible oversight.


I never said it was Obama's fault or that GWB wasn't a retard.  I said it should be fixed.
 
2013-09-16 05:20:55 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

This.


He has an arrest record. No charges were ever officially filed for his shooting a gun through his ceiling at his noisy neighbor.
 
2013-09-16 05:21:04 PM

AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.


I call Bullshiate! I was in the Army in 1989 through 1991 and in the Airforce from then on. No body carried guns unless you were going to the range or to maneuvers. Even then ammunition was tightly controlled.
 
2013-09-16 05:21:17 PM

PainfulItching: If it's a problem and should have been fixed, it should have been fixed before Obama was even in office. The GOP had a chance to correct this horrible oversight.


That's the key thing there. It isn't really. It would have been reversed in an eyeblink with a smirking "your welcome" at some NRA event from Bush himself if the commanders wanted it to be. But the commanders actually like the idea of only trained MPs carrying weapons on their stateside bases. The military knows how to handle a bunch of kids taught aggression and rationally evaluate body counts, and they think the results of limiting the carrying of personal weapons on base have been just fine, so they're keeping it.
 
2013-09-16 05:21:34 PM

strykerman: yet another mass shooting in a "gun free" zone, in one of two major cities that had outright gun bans that the supreme court ruled thoroughly unconstitutional.  kudos to people who told us when guns are illegal, incidents like this wont happen...


So, say everyone was armed. Do you really think the people carrying this out would have only used guns? fark, you people are myopic.
 
2013-09-16 05:21:38 PM

mediablitz: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

LMMFAO. I was stationed in Pearl Harbor during Reagan. SCOTUS had decided this long before I served.


I have no dog in this fight but, just out of curiosity, why did they do that?
 
2013-09-16 05:21:41 PM
So, this rarely happens so let's not change gun laws but have everyone carry and every electrician's mate at a military installation should be armed. Is that right?
 
2013-09-16 05:21:43 PM
Not Happy enough, working part-time, on White Settlement Road, I guess...

media.dfw.com

/hot as 5mg Haldol IM
 
2013-09-16 05:22:27 PM

cretinbob: thyblackman.com

//where's your Zimmerman now?


How did Zimmerman make the World Trade Center towers come back?
 
2013-09-16 05:22:31 PM
Fleet logistics support sqiadron 46
 
2013-09-16 05:22:39 PM

All2morrowsparTs: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

I call Bullshiate! I was in the Army in 1989 through 1991 and in the Airforce from then on. No body carried guns unless you were going to the range or to maneuvers. Even then ammunition was tightly controlled.


See above.  I'm not making it up.
 
2013-09-16 05:22:51 PM

Kuroshin: LarryDan43: Infernalist: Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra

This is not the time to talk about gun control!

Sure it is!  Because a bomb would have been much better!

/crazy gonna cray
//killers gonna kill


///makes it much easier to do with a tool whose sole purpose is designed to kill and is easily accessible to anyone in this country.
 
2013-09-16 05:23:06 PM

mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.


Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.
 
2013-09-16 05:24:21 PM

Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!


Grew up in NY.
Most recently lived in TX.

/reading comprehension, how does it work?
 
2013-09-16 05:24:35 PM
This is just what we need to get our focus off of Syria.

Thanks,
Obama
 
2013-09-16 05:25:08 PM

Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.


Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.
 
2013-09-16 05:25:49 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: hundreddollarman: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.

O_O????  This won't get me anywhere, but the power of the FWC and/or maple vodak compels you to explain yourself!!  :D


She was the headline performer at a strip club in the SF Bay Area back in February. I rounded up some buds and we went. After her feature performance, we got to meet her in the VIP room. She was offering signed merch and you could take a Polaroid with her for $20. Got my photo snapped with my hand on DAT ASS. Best $20 spent ever.
 
2013-09-16 05:25:56 PM
A black Buddhist from Texas?  I don't think anyone had THAT on their mass shooting Bingo card.
 
2013-09-16 05:27:09 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.


Especially devout Buddhists.
 
2013-09-16 05:27:28 PM
So what's the significance of him having a CCL in Texas? Or all you farkers arguing over misdemeanors, etc?
This happened in DC - I'm pretty sure a Texas CCL wouldn't be valid there anyway.
 
2013-09-16 05:27:46 PM

AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.


Yes, banned from carrying personal firearms on base.
 
2013-09-16 05:28:14 PM

hasty ambush: whizbangthedirtfarmer:

What I can't understand is why a Black American male would feel the need to do this seeing how much that demographics  conditions have improved under this administration.


0/10
 
2013-09-16 05:28:24 PM

AngryDragon: PainfulItching: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: 
I never said it was Obama's fault or that GWB wasn't a retard.  I said it should be fixed.


The link you posted, last two sentences:

President Obama can end Mr. Clinton's folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.

I know it's the first reference you could find on short notice, but if this stuff is going to be brought up now, just make really sure it's not going to be a biatch fest about how Obama isn't allowing troops to protect themselves. Don't even go there.
 
2013-09-16 05:29:38 PM

AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.


As such a magnificent Internet Military Expert, have you offered your services to the Joint Chiefs of Staff yet? I'm sure they would much appreciate you explaining to them why they are so full of shiat for rationally evaluating a new regulation and deciding it was beneficial enough to keep for the last 20 years. Or you may just be a partisan asshole who only wants the regulation changed to score political points without the slightest interest in what the folk actually in charged of our base think about it.
 
2013-09-16 05:29:57 PM

AngryDragon: Haoie: Can't it be someone from the pinko states for once?

How?  Don't gun bans work?


I'm going to say this again for slow folks like you. Do you really think that if every motherfarker on that base was armed the shooters would have only used guns? If you do think that then you're as dumb as you appear.
 
2013-09-16 05:30:14 PM

LesserEvil: were sailors in utilities, but they at least seemed to have real weapons) - and I believe that base had nuclear weapons on hand.


If there were nukes there then there would have been Marines as the sentries. The nukes (if any) are actually kept up the river near Goose Creek at NWS Charleston where there is a MARDET.

As to people wondering why there were so few armed people around, it's a shipyard not a full blown base (nit that that would really matter as very few people are kept armed on bases stateside other than a very few sentries at fixed locations. NAVSEA is an engineering department although they do deal with designing and procuring weapons systems but there are no actually functioning weapons systems there. Ships offload any ordnance before they go into the yards and the shipyard takes joint ownership of the ship with most of the crew sent off to other commands. Essentially they end up with about a quarter of the crew staying behind to maintain security watches (sans weapons other than perhaps a nightstick), fire watches and to observe testing of repairs by the shipyard.
 
2013-09-16 05:30:24 PM

Isitoveryet: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

I know! why aren't there ever any abortion rampages!?


I bet if you check out planned parenthood the week after spring break.....
 
2013-09-16 05:30:56 PM
At least he wasn't using one of those scary lookin rifles. The victims would be so much more dead that way.
 
2013-09-16 05:31:06 PM
Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.

Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control.  It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.

In fact I blame violent video games.
 
2013-09-16 05:31:08 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

This one knows too much, brotherssssss. Time to take him out.


By your command.
 
2013-09-16 05:31:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, this rarely happens so let's not change gun laws but have everyone carry and every electrician's mate at a military installation should be armed. Is that right?


Maybe if there was a provision for (quickly) opening up the armory in the event of an emergency, that would help stop events like this while still limiting the number of weapons being carried on-base 99.999% of the time?
 
2013-09-16 05:31:26 PM

nekom: A black Buddhist from Texas?  I don't think anyone had THAT on their mass shooting Bingo card.


I certainly didn't.

Though obviously, he's not much of a Buddhist.
 
2013-09-16 05:32:25 PM
Gentlemen, there will be no fighting in the war room!
I thought it was funny when i heard a radio commentator say they were looking for a man in tan clothes and a beret.

/How to hide inside the military-industrial complex made simple.
 
2013-09-16 05:32:33 PM

WhyteRaven74: badhatharry: Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.

This point has already been made but most people in the military aren't trained in dealing with situations such as what happened today. Having a bunch of people walking around with weapons in case of a situation like this who aren't trained to deal with it could easily lead to it being worse.


It's idiotic to only have armed guards at the gate. If guns are banned, then they need armed on duty security guards in every building. It's a goddamned military base. It's like no guns in the police station.
 
2013-09-16 05:33:00 PM
The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


www.fbi.govwww.fbi.gov
 
2013-09-16 05:33:01 PM

AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.


How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?
 
2013-09-16 05:33:03 PM

davidphogan: yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.

You're probably right.


you're probably left!  Whaddayagonnadoaboutit?  You wanna go?!?  Let's go!  Right Now!!!  I'll go Ronald Regan on you!
 
2013-09-16 05:33:19 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


That's impossible. From the other gun threads I have been told that guns can only be used as "self defense" by good guys not by "bad guys".

What you're trying to imply is bringing guns to a scene can actually make things worse and by doing so outing yourself as a commie pinko trader.
 
2013-09-16 05:34:25 PM

PainfulItching: AngryDragon: PainfulItching: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: 
I never said it was Obama's fault or that GWB wasn't a retard.  I said it should be fixed.

The link you posted, last two sentences:

President Obama can end Mr. Clinton's folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.
I know it's the first reference you could find on short notice, but if this stuff is going to be brought up now, just make really sure it's not going to be a biatch fest about how Obama isn't allowing troops to protect themselves. Don't even go there.


I had no intention of doing that.  I'm simply stating that the personal weapons ban on military bases is bad policy and it is entirely political.  Obama can overturn that policy just as GWB could have.  I don't care who does it, just that it does get overturned.
 
2013-09-16 05:34:41 PM

FlashHarry: [si0.twimg.com image 500x500]RIP Art Alexakis


Hmm.  He does have the daddy issues that many killers do.  I think you may be on to something here.
 
2013-09-16 05:34:58 PM

Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.

Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control.  It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.

In fact I blame violent video games.


I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.
 
2013-09-16 05:35:04 PM
alicia-logic.com
Thank goodness he didn't ask about the little red button.
 
2013-09-16 05:35:17 PM

James10952001: At least he wasn't using one of those scary lookin rifles. The victims would be so much more dead that way.



i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-16 05:35:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


The military could mandate that at the stroke of a pen.
 
2013-09-16 05:35:53 PM

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


Did he use the same head-enfattening juice Barry Bonds used?
 
2013-09-16 05:35:56 PM

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


Oh shiat!  He's black?!?!   Where's my popcorn!?!?  Thought for sure that was as white as white could be of a name... Is that racist?  Anyway.. this just became a clusterfark!!  Do the dems demonize him?  Do the repubs fight for his gun rights?!

Here come the head assplosions!!
 
2013-09-16 05:36:03 PM

jshine: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, this rarely happens so let's not change gun laws but have everyone carry and every electrician's mate at a military installation should be armed. Is that right?

Maybe if there was a provision for (quickly) opening up the armory in the event of an emergency, that would help stop events like this while still limiting the number of weapons being carried on-base 99.999% of the time?


I thought this was more of an office building They have an armory?
 
2013-09-16 05:36:22 PM

vrax: AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

Yes, banned from carrying personal firearms on base.


So...a gun-free zone.  Where most mass shootings occur.
 
2013-09-16 05:36:57 PM

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


He's like a chameleon, able to change colors to match his surroundings
 
2013-09-16 05:37:34 PM

AngryDragon: The military could mandate that at the stroke of a pen.


The military could do all sorts of things. This does not however make them wise things to do.
 
2013-09-16 05:37:36 PM
Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.
 
2013-09-16 05:37:53 PM

jshine: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: So, this rarely happens so let's not change gun laws but have everyone carry and every electrician's mate at a military installation should be armed. Is that right?

Maybe if there was a provision for (quickly) opening up the armory in the event of an emergency, that would help stop events like this while still limiting the number of weapons being carried on-base 99.999% of the time?


There probably is. For the MPs and officers, by order of the ranking officer on duty.

This keeps 200 uncoordinated responses from shooting each other, especially if, like today, the suspect(s) were wearing uniforms, or something that looked like uniforms. Or knowing who they were supposed to be shooting at. Remember how there were 3 suspect earlier, with just a vague description? Now there's one dead, and a person that the police want to talk to, but they don't have a name, just a description.
 
2013-09-16 05:38:18 PM
James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.


Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.
 
2013-09-16 05:38:53 PM

Tat'dGreaser: AngryDragon: Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

Lulz whut? I've been in for awhile now and I don't remember anyone talking about the good old days when they could carry on base


When I was on a destroyer in 1985-86, we weren't allowed to carry KNIVES on the main naval base. Seriously, I almost had my working knife confiscated when I went over to the exchange; I talked him out of taking it because we were deploying the next day, and I had a chit to carry it on the ship as an E-3.

/Uncle Henry Bear Paw FTW.
//Deck ape.
 
2013-09-16 05:38:55 PM

AngryDragon: So...a gun-free zone. Where most mass shootings occur.


Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?
 
2013-09-16 05:39:15 PM
AngryDragon:
So...a gun-free zone.  Where most mass shootings occur.

I've noticed most of them occur on Planet Earth, committed by Earthlings.  Isn't that kinda weird?
 
2013-09-16 05:39:22 PM

AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.


WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?
 
2013-09-16 05:39:35 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.


nope.  sometimes all the training and gear in the world can't help you.  sometimes the bad guys win.
 
2013-09-16 05:40:07 PM

someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?


Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.
 
2013-09-16 05:40:21 PM

FlashHarry: OhioKnight: Knew it! Buddhist!

Religion of peace, my ass!

Buddhist scum.

At least he's the first name in serial killers.

they've been mass murdering in burma for a while now.


Not a good time to be a Tamil in Sri Lanka right now either... Or a Muslim in Southern Thailand.
 
2013-09-16 05:40:38 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


*Europe
 
2013-09-16 05:41:15 PM

wambu: shower_in_my_socks: Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.

Especially devout Buddhists.


They can contemplate the sound of one hand facepalming.
 
2013-09-16 05:41:59 PM

s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe


Australia
Canada
Japan
 
2013-09-16 05:42:17 PM

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


No one is suggesting those are two pictures of the same person, I hope.
 
2013-09-16 05:43:07 PM

minoridiot: mithras_angel: Ponzholio: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

I'm not a lawyer, but he could be convicted of 200 misdemeanors and still get a conceal-carry permit so long as he has no felonies.

Not up on Texas CHLs, but if he had the CHL and then got a criminal record, how quickly does the CHL get revoked?

They would have sent him a letter revoking his permit after the conviction.


http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/faqs/

And here are the eligibility requirements for a CHL in Texas
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.172

If he had a criminal record, he did not have a CHL in Texas
 
2013-09-16 05:43:18 PM
So when do the Naval Yard Trutherstm start to come out of the woodwork?
 
2013-09-16 05:44:06 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.


Why is it that the internet and media think that cops are all automatically proficient in the use of their weapons?  Have they ever reported on the NYPD?  What makes them think that police marksmanship standards are designed to ensure proficiency, and not passage by Sgt. Joey Bagodonuts?
 
2013-09-16 05:44:07 PM

there their theyre: If he had a criminal record, he did not have a CHL in Texas


He was arrested, not charged, for cleaning his gun while cooking.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:14 PM

Weaver95: shower_in_my_socks: Not only were at least two of the victims armed, but it sounds like one of them - a law enforcement officer with an AR rifle - had the shooter outgunned and was likely better trained. It didn't matter.

nope.  sometimes all the training and gear in the world can't help you.  sometimes the bad guys win.


We must spare no expense, leave no stone unturned, we must make as many compromises as it takes, to ensure the bad guys cannot win.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:18 PM
White guy? White guy!
 
2013-09-16 05:44:44 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.


Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
 
2013-09-16 05:44:53 PM
Aaand now I remember why I don't come to Fark anymore.

Figured this thread would serve as a fine refresher and boy was I right.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:15 PM

AngryDragon: All2morrowsparTs: AngryDragon: Felgraf: AngryDragon: And this shows how effective this policy is. It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them. It's a political decision not a common sense one.

You know this because how?

You can't imagine non-political reasons they might like to know where every weapon on base is?

Because it was one of the first things Bill Clinton did when he assumed the Presidency, disarm soldiers on military bases.  Completely political.  It was never a problem before then.

I call Bullshiate! I was in the Army in 1989 through 1991 and in the Airforce from then on. No body carried guns unless you were going to the range or to maneuvers. Even then ammunition was tightly controlled.

See above.  I'm not making it up.


Clinton's policy mostly codified a long-standing DoD policy. Very few commanders allowed people to carry personal weapons on base; all Clinton did was make it DoD-wide. Probably at the behest of the Pentagon; they don't want anybody armed who doesn't have clear orders.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:30 PM
Snarfangel
They can contemplate the sound of one hand facepalming.


Buddhists can be more flexible then you think with non-lethal weapons. After what they did with steel hundreds of years ago I would like to see them go all A-Team with modern tools.

And I do remember the use of firebombs in Korea in the 90's when there was some dispute between sects with regard to the control of resources.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:55 PM

HaywoodJablonski: White guy? White guy!


Only half white.

/the evil half.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:37 PM

s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe




*Canada

Not saying we don't have shootings or guns but you guys are waaaaay to pissed off right now as a country and need to dial back the rhetoric.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:52 PM

FrancoFile: Isitoveryet: Obscene_CNN: Oops, look at that he is from New York now!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-na vy -yard/

Texas in the headline, NY in the first paragraph.

you can't explain that!

Grew up in NY.
Most recently lived in TX.

/reading comprehension, how does it work?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-16 05:46:54 PM
It doesn't add up.  7 shots and 13 dead?  Magic bullets.  I want to see the film.

"It was three gunshots straight in a row - pop, pop, pop. Three seconds later, it was pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, so it was like about a total of seven gunshots, and we just started running," Ward said.
 
2013-09-16 05:46:56 PM

IkilledLauraPalmer: So when do the Naval Yard Trutherstm start to come out of the woodwork?


False Jack!  False Jack!  False Jack!
 
2013-09-16 05:47:12 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan


Quite a coalition.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:14 PM

Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?


I imagine living on base has a lot of bullshiat rules and is pretty safe even next to the worst neighborhoods so it's not really a big deal. The 2nd amendment no longer applies to you when you sign up.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:16 PM

CrazyCracka420: Kuroshin: LarryDan43: Infernalist: Remember now, the problem isn't the prevalence of guns in society and ease with which anyone can get them.

The problem is there aren't enough guns out there yet.

/nra

This is not the time to talk about gun control!

Sure it is!  Because a bomb would have been much better!

/crazy gonna cray
//killers gonna kill

///makes it much easier to do with a tool whose sole purpose is designed to kill and is easily accessible to anyone in this country.


You mean like a bomb?
 
2013-09-16 05:47:17 PM
Texas may Be different than my state but if this dude had a criminal record, he didn't have a CCW. you can have one or the other.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:20 PM

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:40 PM

yelmrog: I'm sure there will be a flood of crap about how he's a left wing or right wing radical.

And the truth will probably be that he's neither.


I bet he's a disgruntled cornball brother.
 
2013-09-16 05:48:41 PM

AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: Dedmon: mediablitz: Dedmon: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Probably because it's a fact that guns cause more deaths from accidents/domestic fights than they do from stopping mass murders. The powers that be decide that it's a bad idea for even highly trained soldiers to have weapons 24/7 strapped to their sides.

And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

Alright...they can't have a personal weapon strapped to their side...why? Because the powers that be decide that more people die from accidents and domestic arguments than from mass shootings.

And where exactly does Bill Clinton fit into this at all? And do you think the armory is open to any and all soldier who wants to carry a service weapon on base? It's not, the MPs will have theirs, while on duty, but even that gets checked in at end of the shift.

Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

Yes, banned from carrying personal firearms on base.

So...a gun-free zone.  Where most mass shootings occur.


The point was more that it's simply a policy that matches the on base securing of issued firearms that existed well before Clinton.  There is now a uniform policy regarding firearms on base.
 
2013-09-16 05:48:46 PM

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.


Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.
 
2013-09-16 05:49:00 PM

Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?


It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.
 
2013-09-16 05:49:41 PM

gfid: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

Even if it's a misdemeanor marijuana charge 15 years ago?

If other posts in this thread are right though, he doesn't have a criminal record.


In some counties of Georgia that's plenty to deny you a carry license
 
2013-09-16 05:50:10 PM
So when will Obama come out and tell us which of his fictional relatives would have looked like this guy?
 
2013-09-16 05:50:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.


It appears the shooter armed himself with a high capacity semi-automatic pistol and an AR-15 automatic assault rifle by taking the weapons from the police.

When are we going to enact commonsense gun control policies that encompass law enforcement?  The only purpose of an automatic assault rifle like an AR-15 is to kill large numbers of people in a short amount of time.  The police shouldn't have this kind of firepower.  The Boston Bombers, this guy, how many more people have to die from these weapons of war on our streets?
 
2013-09-16 05:51:04 PM
Yeah, now we have the politics going weird and the blame is starting. I'm out ya'll. Sorry today has been so shiatty.
 
2013-09-16 05:51:05 PM

skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.


We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.
 
2013-09-16 05:51:14 PM
 
2013-09-16 05:51:53 PM

mbillips: Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?

It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.


I think it's only folks with zero exposure to the military that think otherwise.
 
2013-09-16 05:52:07 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: Let's get to what's important - is he white or black?  Will he be liberal or conservative?  I've got my tu quoques ready to launch.

It doesn't matter, the gun haters will exploit this tragedy to push their anti-gun agenda just like they do everytime a crazy person with a gun kills dozens of innocent people.

When will the gun grabbers learn that the wake of any gun created tragedy is NEVER the time to suggest more gun control? Rather, it is a time to heal and reflect upon how a better armed populace could prevent such occurrences.

Of course, when we happen to have a month where a gun caused massacre doesn't happen, that isn't the time to suggest more gun control either, because hey what's your problem with guns? A bunch of school kids or office workers haven't been killed in a gun-dependent slaughter in like six weeks. Relax.


I know you're being snarky but that's pretty much how the narrative ends up shaking out.

Just after: "It's too soon! Now is not the time to talk of such things. WE NEED TO HEAL AS A NATION!!"

Weeks after: Gun control? For what?! We don't have a gun problem. We have a crazy person problem! BAN CARS THEY KILL PEOPLE TOO DERPDERPDERPDERP!!!"

...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.
 
2013-09-16 05:52:16 PM
James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.
 
2013-09-16 05:53:05 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.

Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.


They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?
 
2013-09-16 05:53:15 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Suspect In Navy Yard Attack Previously Arrested In Seattle For "Anger-Fueled" Shooting


Forget how "easy" it is to get a gun in America, how easy is it to get a job as a federal contractor?
 
2013-09-16 05:53:27 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?
 
2013-09-16 05:54:04 PM

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.


How many times are you going to have to say that?
 
2013-09-16 05:54:27 PM
you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.
 
2013-09-16 05:55:18 PM
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

He probably was using those weapons as was intended per the design and function.
 
2013-09-16 05:55:19 PM

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Quite a coalition.

Yeah, they're real third world hellholes.

They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?


Comparing any Western country with Japan is kind of stupid, not to mention that Australia had a confiscation program, something that isn't legal or even remotely feasible in the United States.

/Australia has also undergone a huge economic boom centered around their vast mineral wealth since the Port Arthur massacre and has an extensive social safety net
 
2013-09-16 05:55:43 PM

Hollie Maea: plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]

No one is suggesting those are two pictures of the same person, I hope.


Different lighting and background. First one is a DMV photo, overcompressed so it's distorted a bit (mine is too - my head is squished). Same shaped ears and head, same eyes. Checked it in photoshop.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:05 PM

FreeBirdInTheHand: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?


Apparently he kept finding med kits and boxes of ammo that made it harder to take him down.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:15 PM

vrax: GBB: [www.spartanburgteaparty.org image 546x545]

Remove about 60% of those dots and you've got an accurate image.


Am I freaking color blind? That looks red to me, not orange.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:27 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.


Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:43 PM

Enemabag Jones: Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.
As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

He probably was using those weapons as was intended per the design and function.


As he did today.
 
2013-09-16 05:58:30 PM
If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.
 
2013-09-16 05:58:45 PM
Sorry, anti-Texas bigots, he may not be from Texas, but from Queens, New York. That information is concealed in the first line of this story: www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-navy-yard/ . Can't be true because it's from Fox? NPR says the same thing (source FBI): http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/16/223023740/developing-s h ooting-at-u-s-navy-yard-in-washington-d-c.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:04 PM
People, we as a country deserve this.

Lots of guns, with not too many restrictions for a peaceful first world country.

And health care is limited, psychological care is even more limited.

Lots of guns, very little mental health care, how can this not be the formula for people going postal and mass shootings.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:09 PM
Everyone in Texas has a gun.
 
2013-09-16 05:59:48 PM

Fark It: Dusk-You-n-Me: Suspect In Navy Yard Attack Previously Arrested In Seattle For "Anger-Fueled" Shooting

Forget how "easy" it is to get a gun in America, how easy is it to get a job as a federal contractor?


I think most federal contractors are secretly federal expanders.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:06 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


yeah - all those armed guards around the base sure worked out great...maybe we should start arming cube dwelling IT guys too, just to make sure this can't happen again.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:16 PM

KarmicDisaster: FreeBirdInTheHand: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

What, did he leave the chain saw in his car?

Apparently he kept finding med kits and boxes of ammo that made it harder to take him down.


Thank The Maker he didn't get his hands on the berzerker pack. The body count would have been off the charts.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:19 PM

James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.


Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".
 
2013-09-16 06:00:31 PM

James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.


Then it's time to retire the "law-abiding gun owner" dodge. Clearly it means nothing.
 
2013-09-16 06:00:34 PM

mediablitz: And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.


While that is true it's a fact that the navy is loathe to issue weapons from the base armory to anyone without a very clear reason to do so. This has a lot more to do with paperwork than anything else. Personal weapons means they they don't have to track the weapons and the ammunition for them (no, you will never be allowed to use non-issued bullets in an issued weapon). That quickly becomes a problem if (when actually) a lot (or batch if you will) goes bad. There's also a maintenance issue as weapons have to be cleaned once a month when just stored and weekly (or more often depending upon the location) when issued. That has to be done by people trained and certified to do so.

All of those issues go away when it's personal weapons. They get it looked at by the base armory and it has to go back for periodic checks to make sure that it's still up to spec. which takes all of a couple of minutes to do. At most they will issue the holster, web belt and magazine holder on the belt to make them all uniform. The individual still has to qualify in that particular type of weapons use and maintain those quals in order to keep wearing the weapon.
 
2013-09-16 06:01:46 PM
I used to come to these threads because we had better links to better information faster than 'the news,' and even sometimes some good conversation with all the human qualities of humor, poignancy, thoughtfulness.

Now we have the same inane gun argument over and over again. It's like Westboro Baptist showing up to a birthday party. Yeah, you have a right to your free speech, yelling whatever with absolutely no sincere belief that you will change a single mind. But nobody's listening, because you're ruining a good thing, and you're quite often looking totally classless while doing it.

The conversation certainly needs to happen. BUT NOT HERE.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:03 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: mbillips: Man On Pink Corner: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

WTF, this is just plain crazy.  Why isn't it a bigger deal?

It's pretty much ALWAYS been this way in every military. The only time you gave the conscript scum rifles was when you wanted them to drill with them, practice cleaning them, or shoot at the range. The only time you gave them ammo was at the range, or when they got to the trenches. Garrison troops have never been armed; too much chance of them getting pissed off and bored and shooting their officers/NCOs. The only people with the option of carrying sidearms were officers, and they rarely did it except on combat duty (because sidearms are a pain in the ass).

The idea that everyone has the right to carry concealed has only become popular in the past 20 years.

I think it's only folks with zero exposure to the military that think otherwise.


Clinton removed the discretion from the local base commanders.  With concealed carry gaining momentum the last 20 years this has created a disparity.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:12 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.


If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.
 
2013-09-16 06:02:29 PM
James10952001 ,

I say we work on legalizing Soviet RPGs and LAW rockets. I want to go out and blow things up on the weekend. Why should paranoia about shoulder mounted rockets stop us from our personal freedom.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:04 PM
article just came out regarding him being arrested in Seattle and dealing with PTSD from being on the ground in NYC at 9/11.
http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/09/16/suspect-in-navy-yard-attack -p reviously-arrested-in-seattle-for-anger-fueled-shooting/
 
2013-09-16 06:03:15 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


He may have smuggled them past the city border guards.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:28 PM

sleeps in trees: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

*Canada

Not saying we don't have shootings or guns but you guys are waaaaay to pissed off right now as a country and need to dial back the rhetoric.




*too. I need wine, just stop killing each other.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:30 PM
From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:59 PM

Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.


This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.
 
2013-09-16 06:04:07 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Finally, someone who learned something from Video Games.
 
2013-09-16 06:04:25 PM

KidneyStone: gfid: minoridiot: FTFA:
 He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

This should be impossible.  Texas does not issue a CHL to someone with a criminal record.

Even if it's a misdemeanor marijuana charge 15 years ago?

If other posts in this thread are right though, he doesn't have a criminal record.

In some counties of Georgia that's plenty to deny you a carry license


What if it was a misdemeanor marijuana charge without an arrest, but the conviction / nolo was for disorderly conduct?

/asking for a friend
 
2013-09-16 06:05:23 PM

Isitoveryet: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

I know! why aren't there ever any abortion rampages!?


I got you covered.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/abortion-doc-assistant-offer s -horrifying-testimony-killing-babies-article-1.1293130">http://www.ny dailynews.com/news/national/abortion-doc-assistant-offers -horrifying-testimony-killing-babies-article-1.1293130
 
2013-09-16 06:05:31 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


you realize he was on a military installation so the local laws aren't an issue right?
 
2013-09-16 06:05:34 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.


Real life:
http://www.fox16.com/content/news/state/story/Man-Accused-of-Killing -T wo-in-Fort-Smith-Machete/zIxx_b3DmUO3_EAEivLxXw.cspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/china-knife-attack_n_381530 0. html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18992200/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/man- ar med-knife-kills-philippines/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry -s tabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

movies: it's been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqEWDo1VQk
 
2013-09-16 06:05:58 PM

Enemabag Jones: People, we as a country deserve this.

Lots of guns, with not too many restrictions for a peaceful first world country.

And health care is limited, psychological care is even more limited.

Lots of guns, very little mental health care, how can this not be the formula for people going postal and mass shootings.


We have a culture where violence has long been accepted as a way to handle conflicts.

I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.
 
2013-09-16 06:06:34 PM

mbillips: From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.


Seattle. Ft. Worth. DC.

Gun NUT.
 
2013-09-16 06:06:56 PM

s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right. *Europe Australia Canada Japan Quite a coalition. Yeah, they're real third world hellholes. They aren't "the rest of the world", though, are they?


You specified Europe. I believe you were corrected.
 
2013-09-16 06:07:24 PM
James10952001
If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?
I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.


No hyperbole here. Gun are like RPGs, there is a risk of being misused, but any law against them limits our personal freedoms to shoot at things for sporting activity for law abiding US citizens.

Just because a weapon may be misused by crazy people, does not mean it should not be for sale. I am tired of paranoia by government against weapons limiting me from shooting an RPG7 on the weekend.

Responsible RPG owners, unite!
 
2013-09-16 06:08:00 PM

hundreddollarman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: hundreddollarman: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.

O_O????  This won't get me anywhere, but the power of the FWC and/or maple vodak compels you to explain yourself!!  :D

She was the headline performer at a strip club in the SF Bay Area back in February. I rounded up some buds and we went. After her feature performance, we got to meet her in the VIP room. She was offering signed merch and you could take a Polaroid with her for $20. Got my photo snapped with my hand on DAT ASS. Best $20 spent ever.


...well....that....

Damnit, my life is farking boring..... *sob*  XD
 
2013-09-16 06:08:03 PM

quo vadimus: I used to come to these threads because we had better links to better information faster than 'the news,' and even sometimes some good conversation with all the human qualities of humor, poignancy, thoughtfulness.

Now we have the same inane gun argument over and over again. It's like Westboro Baptist showing up to a birthday party. Yeah, you have a right to your free speech, yelling whatever with absolutely no sincere belief that you will change a single mind. But nobody's listening, because you're ruining a good thing, and you're quite often looking totally classless while doing it.

The conversation certainly needs to happen. BUT NOT HERE.


It's like an abortion thread.  You expect different?
 
2013-09-16 06:08:32 PM

xalres: ...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.


Yes, I can see where it would make us all safer to grant a monopoly on the use of force to the people who brought us the NSA.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-16 06:08:35 PM

AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.


if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.
 
2013-09-16 06:09:37 PM

mbillips: From the Seattle PD report, about an "anger-fueled" shooting he did there:

Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father, who lived in New York at the time, who told police Alexis had anger management problems associated with PTSD, and that Alexis had been an active participant in rescue attempts on September 11th, 2001.

Great. 9/11 hero and veteran comes full circle to killer of Our Troops. Anybody who wants to put a political spin on this one can just STFU now.


Begin the countdown to news that he was nowhere near New York on 9/11/2001. Bets?
 
2013-09-16 06:10:29 PM

Radioactive Ass: mediablitz: And that this just isn't true. No PERSONAL weapons allowed. That's the tricky little "let's blame Clinton" that isn't mentioned.

While that is true it's a fact that the navy is loathe to issue weapons from the base armory to anyone without a very clear reason to do so. This has a lot more to do with paperwork than anything else. Personal weapons means they they don't have to track the weapons and the ammunition for them (no, you will never be allowed to use non-issued bullets in an issued weapon). That quickly becomes a problem if (when actually) a lot (or batch if you will) goes bad. There's also a maintenance issue as weapons have to be cleaned once a month when just stored and weekly (or more often depending upon the location) when issued. That has to be done by people trained and certified to do so.

All of those issues go away when it's personal weapons. They get it looked at by the base armory and it has to go back for periodic checks to make sure that it's still up to spec. which takes all of a couple of minutes to do. At most they will issue the holster, web belt and magazine holder on the belt to make them all uniform. The individual still has to qualify in that particular type of weapons use and maintain those quals in order to keep wearing the weapon.


facepalm - OK, it's paperwork that keeps a couple of hundred people on a stateside base from carrying a personal weapon. Not the fact that if something like today were to happen and a plainclothes FBI agent or police officer were to respond to it, with their weapon drawn they would become targets from every window and doorway.

And there would be no way to coordinate response in any type of military fashion because there is no communication between commands and lower ranking forces. Just every man for himself.
 
2013-09-16 06:10:40 PM

James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.


There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.
 
2013-09-16 06:11:26 PM
James10952001
I personally do not associate guns with violence. I have never pointed a gun at another human an never intend to. Guns are tools, for hunting and target shooting. That is what many of them were designed for and what the very vast majority get used for.


And my RPG has never been aimed at improper targets. I only blow up junked cars on the weekend. I am just angry I have to to to Liberia to do it. I want the right to blow up junk cars in the United States with an RPG.

I am tired of my personal freedoms being restricted.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:07 PM
Home safe.  Family freaked out.  All things considered, I'd rather have been in lockdown in building 201 than have had to flee 197 and get home sooner.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Came for the herp. Stayed for the derp.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:16 PM

WhyteRaven74: AngryDragon: Among President Clinton's first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


All of them, you farking moron, personal protection is exactly like warfare except on a personal level. You make sure your target is in your sights, confirm no unintended targets behind the target, and use the minimal force required to resolve the situation.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:18 PM

vrax: James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.

Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".


Well, let me know when you have a way of preventing some nut from ignoring the gun free zone signs and coming in anyway.

And remember that everyone who was pushing the last gun control bill swore up and down that nobody was trying to take away guns, just ban certain types and that anyone who thought otherwise was a paranoid nut. Was that true or are they full of shiat?
 
2013-09-16 06:12:24 PM
We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
 
2013-09-16 06:13:03 PM

Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.


Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it
 
2013-09-16 06:13:30 PM

Arkanaut: Are we sure about the name this time, or is this going to end up being a mistaken identity thing again?


A quick google search of every registered voter in the US reveals that at least one 'Aaron Alexis" is a registered republican
 
2013-09-16 06:14:01 PM

Man On Pink Corner: xalres: ...and so on until the next nutjob with a gun kills dozens. Rinse. Repeat. Nothing will change, more people will die, and all so a bunch of paranoids can keep their hobby.

Yes, I can see where it would make us all safer to grant a monopoly on the use of force to the people who brought us the NSA.  What could possibly go wrong?


How many tyrannies have y'all overthrown?
 
2013-09-16 06:14:13 PM

Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about the evils of gubbermint control.  the left wing will make noises about protecting the children...but neither side will actually do anything about the problem.  the press will squeeze every last drop of drama out of the blood and misery of the victims (alive and dead alike).  we'll all pretend that this won't affect any of our lives but gee willikers will we stay glued to the news coverage for the next week.  the NRA will make speeches.  Limbaugh will rant.  Pelosi will wring her hands and Obama will look all presidential while saying Stern Words to the Nation about The Issues.

But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

This guy already has multiple disqualifying crimes on his record, including unlawful discharge of a firearm.  Prevention only goes so far.

if we actually enforced the rules already in place, would this guy have gotten his weapon(s)?  I wonder about that...but, we'll wait and see how that goes.  I suspect we'll find out he used loopholes and stupid paperwork tricks to easily circumvent rules that would have prevented this murder spree.  of course, if you suggest that maybe we enforce those laws and remove those loopholes, you get yelled at for being a liberal commie....

madness.


Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and everything to do with restricting law abiding citizens.  That's why there is resistance.
 
2013-09-16 06:14:19 PM

xalres: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.

There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.


Bomb? Pickup truck? SUV? Toxic gas? No other way besides a gun? Really?
 
2013-09-16 06:15:08 PM

WhyteRaven74: How many people in the military are trained in the use of firearms for personal protection?


None, at least by the navy. They are trained in their use as a part of their regular duties and of course that carries over to their personal life but even on a warship not everyone is qualified to shoot, just the ones who might need to have a weapon as a part of their job. Sitting in an office at NAVSEA isn't one of those types of jobs. In fact as I mentioned above a shipyard is probably the least likely military facility to have armed people other than at the gates.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:20 PM

Tatterdemalian: Weaver95: But nothing will change.  no new laws will be passed.  rules still won't be enforced.  And inside of a month, we'll forget this ever happened....until the next massacre, when we'll do this all over again.

Good. I prefer that to punishing people for precrime and/or thoughtcrime.

/we will never posess reliable psychic superpowers
//we will never be able to force reality to be as pre-scripted as a CSI episode
///we will never know for certain if some stranger we walk past isn't going to make us the very first victim of his/her killing spree... deal with it


You make a good case for banning all guns. Bravo.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:28 PM
Road Rash ,
Real life:
http://www.fox16.com/content/news/state/story/Man-Accused-of-Killing -T wo-in-Fort-Smith-Machete/zIxx_b3DmUO3_EAEivLxXw.cspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/china-knife-attack_n_381530 0. html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18992200/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/man- ar med-knife-kills-philippines/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry -s tabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx
movies: it's been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLqEWDo1VQk


I have fatality count at 25 for articles from all over the world. That is one Newtown.
 
2013-09-16 06:16:56 PM

Erebus1954: If only there were some kind of restrictive gun laws in DC everything would have been ok.


Again, this is an argument FOR Federal gun control

/gun nut
//you're not helping dot jpg
 
2013-09-16 06:17:09 PM

James10952001: xalres: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001 ,
Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.
A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.
Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

Then lets legalize those soviet RPGs. We want to make it easier, right.  You should have the right to shoot RPG's on the weekend.
Let's remove restrictions on fertilizer. It makes life difficult for farmers.

Remember, people like you have nothing to do with any of those kids that were shot in newtown, you are simple expressing your rights as a citizen of the free United States.

If you have a place where you can safely use a Soviet RPG, and are wealthy enough to buy them for entertainment then go right ahead. Hyperbole much?

I don't have anything to do with those kids who were shot in Newtown. I don't know either why they are so much more important than all the other kids killed during the same period by everything from baseball bats to bare hands. Seems like they are bei g singled out and exploited to push a political agenda.

There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.

Bomb? Pickup truck? SUV? Toxic gas? No other way besides a gun? Really?


I didn't say it was the ONLY way to get such results. I was comparing it to knives and baseball bats, since you used those as examples.

Reading comprehension!
 
2013-09-16 06:18:06 PM

Krieghund: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

[www.keeptalkinggreece.com image 600x450]


That cat has the ultimate "Are you farking kidding me" face.  I got a good lol, thank you.
 
2013-09-16 06:18:39 PM

AngryDragon: Weaver95: AngryDragon: Weaver95: you know what depresses me most about this massacre?  it's knowing that nothing will change.  the right wing will scream about th
Those laws SHOULD be enforced.  I've never heard a gun owner say anything to the contrary.  I know no gun owner who wants firearms in the hands of felons, mentally unstable people, violent personalities, or sociopaths.  We all want firearms to be owned safely and responsibly because they allow people to protect themselves and do not infringe on our rights.

The problem is that the new laws that are always proposed have nothing to do with keeping firearms ou ...


should be, but won't....that's the problem.  there are plenty of people on the right who try very hard to make sure it's difficult to enforce the rules already on the books...and they're trying to repeal the ones we've got.  oh, and you can forget about having a reasonable discussion with the Right about guns and gun violence.  they tend to go right to "Obama is a comin fer my guns!" then veer off into conspiracy theory and back episodes of Doomsday Preppers.
 
2013-09-16 06:18:55 PM

James10952001: vrax: James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.

Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".

Well, let me know when you have a way of preventing some nut from ignoring the gun free zone signs and coming in anyway.


Well, obviously, to be effective, those signs couldn't coexist.  "Heavily Armed Gun-Free Zone!"  That's just silly!  It sends a mixed message to those who can read.

And remember that everyone who was pushing the last gun control bill swore up and down that nobody was trying to take away guns, just ban certain types and that anyone who thought otherwise was a paranoid nut. Was that true or are they full of shiat?

Well, some guns are not all guns.  So, a little of both.
 
2013-09-16 06:19:22 PM
So far, the shooter is known as Aaron Alexis. At what point does he become a three-name shooter?
 
2013-09-16 06:19:56 PM

xalres: There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.


How about two dead and nine injured
 
2013-09-16 06:20:50 PM

Obscene_CNN: Time to take away the cops guns

" Survellance video shows the gunman entered the NAVSEA building, at 1336 Isaac Hull Ave., with a shotgun,"




Nope we blame Biden

iamjackofalltrades.com
 
2013-09-16 06:22:12 PM

quo vadimus: I used to come to these threads because we had better links to better information faster than 'the news,' and even sometimes some good conversation with all the human qualities of humor, poignancy, thoughtfulness.

Now we have the same inane gun argument over and over again. It's like Westboro Baptist showing up to a birthday party. Yeah, you have a right to your free speech, yelling whatever with absolutely no sincere belief that you will change a single mind. But nobody's listening, because you're ruining a good thing, and you're quite often looking totally classless while doing it.

The conversation certainly needs to happen. BUT NOT HERE.


The thing is, the same thing happens everywhere this conversation happens. People argue based on emotion, and any time statistics are brought up, they are twisted to support whoever is bringing them up. When that fails, each side accuses the other side of bringing up the same debate points they have used before, and then the hyperbole of "well if guns are legal then let's all have nukes" and "well if that law doesn't work let's just get rid of all laws" and things just go downhill from there. Some people hate guns at a very deep emotional level and some love them, neither of those extremes will ever have a reasonable debate with the other because you can't debate with emotion.
 
2013-09-16 06:22:15 PM

spongeboob: xalres: There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.

How about two dead and nine injured


Two. Wow.

LAST CENTURY.
 
2013-09-16 06:22:26 PM
Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?
 
2013-09-16 06:23:28 PM

Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas


Now THAT would truly be a national tragedy.
 
2013-09-16 06:23:35 PM

PainfulItching: facepalm - OK, it's paperwork that keeps a couple of hundred people on a stateside base from carrying a personal weapon. Not the fact that if something like today were to happen and a plainclothes FBI agent or police officer were to respond to it, with their weapon drawn they would become targets from every window and doorway.

And there would be no way to coordinate response in any type of military fashion because there is no communication between commands and lower ranking forces. Just every man for himself.


The jokes on you. My job when I was in the navy was as a Small Arms Petty Officer on two different commands and was personally responsible for training people and issuing small arms to sentries and the QRF along with the related paperwork and keeping track of where each bullet was and what lot it came from. That's exactly why they don't like to issue them nilly-willy. Lose track of just one bullet and it's a JAG investigation. Can you imagine what would happen if it were an entire weapon that was lost or stolen? Paperwork is exactly why they don't issue unless the task requires it. Personal weapons aren't their concern outside of making sure that it is an approved working model and thet the person who has it is qualified in its use, and odds are that they are already qualified as a part of their normal duties which means zero extra paperwork anyway.
 
2013-09-16 06:23:57 PM

atomicmask: All of them, you farking moron,


don't know much about the military do you?
 
2013-09-16 06:24:21 PM

CheapEngineer: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Finally, someone who learned something from Video Games.


And, in many of those 'gun control meccas' around the world, shotguns are legal.

Thus, using them as an example of how the USA should be is moot in this case, unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.
 
2013-09-16 06:24:42 PM

Snarfangel: So far, the shooter is known as Aaron Alexis. At what point does he become a three-name shooter?


Within 24hrs is my bet.
 
2013-09-16 06:25:08 PM

hundreddollarman: Grand_Moff_Joseph: hundreddollarman: Atomic Spunk: [i1260.photobucket.com image 428x594]

RIP Alexis Texas

I got to meet her earlier this year. Got to grab DAT ASS.

/CSB.

O_O????  This won't get me anywhere, but the power of the FWC and/or maple vodak compels you to explain yourself!!  :D

She was the headline performer at a strip club in the SF Bay Area back in February. I rounded up some buds and we went. After her feature performance, we got to meet her in the VIP room. She was offering signed merch and you could take a Polaroid with her for $20. Got my photo snapped with my hand on DAT ASS. Best $20 spent ever.


You know that now we will require pics.

Meanwhile, I do not know why everybody is discussing about gun control and stuff when we already mentioned Alexis Texas.
 
2013-09-16 06:25:25 PM
So farking glad I got stuck in traffic omw to work today. All coworkers survived thankfully.
 
2013-09-16 06:25:50 PM

vrax: leevis: vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?

I wouldn't go so far as to consider the Navy THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms. I think most of them only fire them at basic training.

Yeah, but he said their on-base disarmament is a political decision and not a common sense one, so it must be true.  I bet every one of those people on that yard was expertly trained in close-quarters, urban combat scenarios, and would instantly work as a perfect team in such a situation if only the Navy had allowed them to be armed.  Stupid Navy Democrats!


FTFY
 
2013-09-16 06:25:58 PM

xalres: How many tyrannies have y'all overthrown?


One, so far.
 
2013-09-16 06:26:01 PM

vrax: Aaron Alexis


Even if it ends up being Aaron, NMN, Alexis.
 
2013-09-16 06:28:09 PM

vrax: James10952001: vrax: James10952001: skozlaw: someonelse: Places with armed guards are classified as gun-free zones now?

Sssh. These are the same idiots that still bring up Columbine as an example of why we need armed guards in schools.

We don't need armed guards in every school. The mere possibility that anyone *could* be armed is an effective deterrent. Possibly more so than having a few guards that are known to be armed.

Can't take out the armed folks first if you don't know who is packing. Won't solve everything but it's better than having a gun-free victim zone.

Maybe nobody need be armed at all.  Maybe the solution is the old "Beware of Dog!" or "This House Protected By..." signs that weren't backed up by anything, but simply said, "Move along!" to the criminal.  Every school will just have signs that say, "Warning: Heavily Armed School!"  Here in CA we could add onto the end of that "(And Not Just The Students)".

Well, let me know when you have a way of preventing some nut from ignoring the gun free zone signs and coming in anyway.

Well, obviously, to be effective, those signs couldn't coexist.  "Heavily Armed Gun-Free Zone!"  That's just silly!  It sends a mixed message to those who can read.

And remember that everyone who was pushing the last gun control bill swore up and down that nobody was trying to take away guns, just ban certain types and that anyone who thought otherwise was a paranoid nut. Was that true or are they full of shiat?

Well, some guns are not all guns.  So, a little of both.


So which guns? The proposed law banned a number I purely cosmetic features. Will that law reduce gun crime, or is it a stepping stone for the next tragedy to be used to pass still more restrictive laws?
 
2013-09-16 06:28:32 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: spongeboob: xalres: There's no possible way a person can rack up a body count in the dozens using a baseball bat or a knife in the same amount of time it would take them to do it with a gun. Yes. Crazy people will act crazy no matter what but acting like easy access to firearms doesn't help them achieve such a staggering body count with little danger is willfully ignoring the obvious.

How about two dead and nine injured

Two. Wow.

LAST CENTURY.


Next you are probably going to point out that following this tragedy NYC outlawed swords and that no other mass killing like this happened.
 
2013-09-16 06:29:33 PM

Walker: We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!


That probably means he deployed to Kuwait or Bahrain. It's really more of a campaign ribbon, but they actually give you a medal for service down range. If he'd been in Iraq or Afghanistan, he would have gotten one of those specific campaign medals.
 
2013-09-16 06:30:30 PM

PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?


Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.
 
2013-09-16 06:32:09 PM

PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?


It's a lot easier to erode rights one at a time. If I wanted to ban something, I would gradually instate more and more restrictions, wouldn't you? Banning free speech wouldn't fly, but I bet you could get a lot of people to sign a petition to establish free speech zones.
 
2013-09-16 06:33:26 PM

mbillips: Walker: We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

That probably means he deployed to Kuwait or Bahrain. It's really more of a campaign ribbon, but they actually give you a medal for service down range. If he'd been in Iraq or Afghanistan, he would have gotten one of those specific campaign medals.


Not hardly.  It means jack squat.  It only means you were in during GWOT.  GWOT Expeditionary medal means you went somewhere.
 
2013-09-16 06:33:58 PM

GRCooper: unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.


It really is amazing how so many Americans are so ignorant of the world they consider that outrageous.

/Only 7% of police officers in London are even trained in the use of firearms;  they are rarely carried
//Their police tend not to murder college kids asking for help with their car
 
2013-09-16 06:34:12 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan


Most Canadians wish that they had more rights, like in the US, rather than think everyone here is crazy.
 
2013-09-16 06:34:45 PM

EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.


Back in the day I worked, as US Army, in a really secret place. The civilians did not like the Military Guards so we suddenly had guards that would make TSA look like rocket scientist. First the guards  were armed but after a few mishaps handling weapons they were not armed.  I will never forget the time I was leaving work and a woman that looked about my Mom's age at the time told me that she did not have to check my backpack because in my big brown eyes she could tell I was too nice to be a bad guy. Reported her to my First Sergeant and CO. Never saw her again.

I ETSed in 1998, I thought things changed with 2011 but maybe not.
 
2013-09-16 06:34:48 PM

mbillips: Walker: We're learning more about the deceased suspect's Navy record. He actually was given a medal for the Global war on Terror, according to the Department of Defense.YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!

That probably means he deployed to Kuwait or Bahrain. It's really more of a campaign ribbon, but they actually give you a medal for service down range. If he'd been in Iraq or Afghanistan, he would have gotten one of those specific campaign medals.


He had enlisted in the Navy in 2007 and rose to the rank of Aviation Electrician's Mate 3rd Class.
From 2008 to 2011, Alexis served with the Fleet Logistics Support Squadron in Fort Worth.
 
2013-09-16 06:35:15 PM
James10952001
So which guns? The proposed law banned a number I purely cosmetic features. Will that law reduce gun crime, or is it a stepping stone for the next tragedy to be used to pass still more restrictive laws?


I get this. If an AR15 were to become illegal to own, then would an SKS with a detachable mag or a mini-14 be used?

It would be a nice start if 30 round clips as a start could be made illegal even if they can be printed. Because last time I checked even that was not allowed to pass.

In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.
 
2013-09-16 06:35:50 PM

Cletus C.: PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?

Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.


And this here is slapping a name on the argument and casually dismissing it as old and busted, as is often done by people who have nothing.

"I don't have a sensible counter debate, therefore your analogy is wrong or has been used before and you are an idiot"
 
2013-09-16 06:35:57 PM

Radioactive Ass: PainfulItching: facepalm - OK, it's paperwork that keeps a couple of hundred people on a stateside base from carrying a personal weapon. Not the fact that if something like today were to happen and a plainclothes FBI agent or police officer were to respond to it, with their weapon drawn they would become targets from every window and doorway.

And there would be no way to coordinate response in any type of military fashion because there is no communication between commands and lower ranking forces. Just every man for himself.

The jokes on you. My job when I was in the navy was as a Small Arms Petty Officer on two different commands and was personally responsible for training people and issuing small arms to sentries and the QRF along with the related paperwork and keeping track of where each bullet was and what lot it came from. That's exactly why they don't like to issue them nilly-willy. Lose track of just one bullet and it's a JAG investigation. Can you imagine what would happen if it were an entire weapon that was lost or stolen? Paperwork is exactly why they don't issue unless the task requires it. Personal weapons aren't their concern outside of making sure that it is an approved working model and thet the person who has it is qualified in its use, and odds are that they are already qualified as a part of their normal duties which means zero extra paperwork anyway.


So their role in a situation like today is probably already determined. That's not what I was talking about.

I was talking about the personnel described here who would have no defined role, and would be able to roam free if they felt like disobeying orders to evacuate an area and try to become a hero. This is who everyone is talking about. The A Team, Chuck Norris, and Rambo. The superhero that the people sitting at a keyboard spitting up about this issue think could have taken this guy out with the .45 stashed in their desk drawer like on TV.
 
2013-09-16 06:37:14 PM
I have a theory how the gunmen got past security with so many guns--Political correctness. These days, to stop any person of color to conduct a legal search is tantamount to racial profiling.
 
2013-09-16 06:37:25 PM

Cletus C.: Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.


When you have states seriously talking about banning entire classes of weapons, banning lead bullets for hunting which has the side effect of essentially banning hunting because all of the alternatives are considered armor piercing and are subject to federal regulation (and they aren't issuing any federal permits for their manufacture and sale to hunters) then it's no longer a slippery slope argument because it's actually happening today. California's Governor has those two laws (and several other gun related laws as well) sitting on his desk right now waiting for his signature and he is probably going to sign them.

The slippery slope argument is when it's conjecture as to how things may go, not when they actually are happening the way of the slippery slope.
 
2013-09-16 06:37:33 PM
ok so i really haven't been following that much.  is there another shooter?  i hear on the news that there "might" be but thats all they are going with.  is this going to be another conspiracy to create paranoia with another gunman on the loose?
 
2013-09-16 06:38:02 PM

LesserEvil: Born Baptist ATHEIST-> (Confused about faith) -> 'Devout' Buddhist -> ?????


fixed
 
2013-09-16 06:39:49 PM
Nutpisit Suthamtewakul, owner of Happy Bowl Thai in White Settlement, said Alexis was "my best friend."

What a bizarre sentence.

\nutpisit
 
2013-09-16 06:40:17 PM
I think we should start using a massacre scale, akin to the Fujita scale for tornadoes (F0-F5) and the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale (Category 1 - 5).

"S" could be the suffix, for "severity." I'll throw some numbers out there.

• S0: 2-3 deaths.
• S1: 4-6 deaths.
• S2: 6-10 deaths.
• S3: 10-20 deaths.
• S4: 20-40 deaths.
• S5: 40-80 deaths.
• S6: 80-150 deaths.
• S7: 150-500 deaths.
• S8: 500-1000 deaths.
• S9: 1000-5000 deaths.
• S10: 5000-25000 deaths.
• S11: 25000 - 100,000 deaths.
• S12: 100K - 500K deaths.
• S13: > 500K deaths
 
2013-09-16 06:40:46 PM

Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting


I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.
 
2013-09-16 06:40:46 PM

James10952001: Cletus C.: PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?

Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.

And this here is slapping a name on the argument and casually dismissing it as old and busted, as is often done by people who have nothing.

"I don't have a sensible counter debate, therefore your analogy is wrong or has been used before and you are an idiot"


I was just pointing out how changing one word can make different people froth excitedly.
 
2013-09-16 06:41:38 PM
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2013-09-16 06:42:17 PM
And yet you people will demand more and more freedoms. The only way to stop these tragedies is to increase safety. Doing so comes with a cost, and that cost is freedom.

We should be demanding the government remove our Rights and protect us, 'lest this happen again.
 
2013-09-16 06:42:40 PM

Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.


Enjoy your vegetables.
 
2013-09-16 06:43:19 PM

PainfulItching: So their role in a situation like today is probably already determined. That's not what I was talking about.

I was talking about the personnel described here who would have no defined role, and would be able to roam free if they felt like disobeying orders to evacuate an area and try to become a hero. This is who everyone is talking about. The A Team, Chuck Norris, and Rambo. The superhero that the people sitting at a keyboard spitting up about this issue think could have taken this guy out with the .45 stashed in their desk drawer like on TV.


I was specifically addressing why the armory doesn't issue small arms to just anyone. Back when personal weapons were allowed for carrying as a part of the uniform the person still had to be qualified in its use through the navy before it would be allowed on base. Concealed weapons were never allowed unless it was a part of their duties. Plain clothed NIS or FBI agents for example.
 
2013-09-16 06:44:00 PM

PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.


who in the hell hunts vegetables?
 
2013-09-16 06:44:53 PM

Surpheon: AngryDragon: Here's the best one I could find on short notice.  Yes it's true.

End Clinton-era military base gun ban

If only we had a pro-gun Republican Congress with a borderline cowboy Texan President for 8 years - I'm sure they would have done something about it.


Exactly. You never hear about Democrats biatching about Reagan or W since they have had so much time to reverse their policies. Only the right would pull such a low stunt.
 
2013-09-16 06:45:01 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
So which guns? The proposed law banned a number I purely cosmetic features. Will that law reduce gun crime, or is it a stepping stone for the next tragedy to be used to pass still more restrictive laws?

I get this. If an AR15 were to become illegal to own, then would an SKS with a detachable mag or a mini-14 be used?

It would be a nice start if 30 round clips as a start could be made illegal even if they can be printed. Because last time I checked even that was not allowed to pass.

In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.


It didn't pass because it was bundled with other restrictions. None of these proposals has ever been a single item being voted on, it is an all or nothing event and different people oppose different portions for different reasons.

I don't personally care how large a magazine I can get, but knowing how readily available large magazines are already, how easy it would be to illegally modify a smaller magazine, and how easy it is to change a magazine for a full one (that's the point of magazines), I viewed it as a pointless provision and more of a talking point.

One of the challenges in banning certain types of guns is that types that are most often used for sport purposes are just as potentially deadly as types modeled after military weapons. You can't do much to restrict the killing ability of a gun without running afoul of the second amendment entirely, so they are left debating mostly cosmetic aspects, the other option being to come out and say the real goal is to ban all guns, which would be an about-face for all but the most zealous gun haters.
 
2013-09-16 06:46:03 PM
I was in the Air Force in the early 80s. I bought a 6 inch Gerber survival knife at the Base Exchange. I couldn't take it into the dorms as weapons were banned from the dorms. I locked it under my motorcycle seat when I was there. When I was traveling on or off base I carried it on my hip so I wasn't carrying a concealed  weapon. I was stopped at the front gate by a female gate guard who had no idea that it was allowed on base, and she called her sergeant out to the gate. He took me aside and told me I was doing the right thing, but to keep the knife from causing a problem I should put it under my seat when I came on base. I wonder what it's like on bases today.
 
2013-09-16 06:46:26 PM

Radioactive Ass: banning lead bullets for hunting which has the side effect of essentially banning hunting because all of the alternatives are considered armor piercing and are subject to federal regulation (and they aren't issuing any federal permits for their manufacture and sale to hunters)


The derp is strong with this one. Copper bullets may be a greater risk to start forest fires, but they are not regulated at all. Just another blatant lie from the right wing.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2011/12/15/boddington-on-non-lead-bul le ts/
http://huntingwithnonlead.org/bullet_types.html
 
2013-09-16 06:46:40 PM

Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?


crayfisher.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-16 06:47:34 PM

doyner: Home safe.  Family freaked out.  All things considered, I'd rather have been in lockdown in building 201 than have had to flee 197 and get home sooner.


kity hugs u and your family
 
2013-09-16 06:48:18 PM
New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.
 
2013-09-16 06:48:18 PM

Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.


Was he playing Doom?
 
2013-09-16 06:49:27 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


According to local news here in Dallas, he was cited for an illegal discharge originally, but the charge was dropped when Fort Worth police deemed it an accident in the act of cleaning his firearm.
 
2013-09-16 06:50:20 PM

CheapEngineer: vrax: leevis: vrax: AngryDragon: vrax: AngryDragon: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.

It's interesting that even the military sees the need for limits on when and where it's appropriate to carry weapons and yet people are fighting for the right to carry them everywhere out in public.

And this shows how effective this policy is.  It makes no sense that probably THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms is not allowed to carry them.   It's a political decision not a common sense one.

Is it?  Who is the Navy trying to impress?

I wouldn't go so far as to consider the Navy THE most trained force on the planet regarding firearms. I think most of them only fire them at basic training.

Yeah, but he said their on-base disarmament is a political decision and not a common sense one, so it must be true.  I bet every one of those people on that yard was expertly trained in close-quarters, urban combat scenarios, and would instantly work as a perfect team in such a situation if only the Navy had allowed them to be armed.  Stupid Navy Democrats!

FTFY


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2013-09-16 06:50:21 PM
Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.

The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.
 
2013-09-16 06:50:32 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


You mean to say that making something even more illegal than it already is doesn't stop it from happening?
 
2013-09-16 06:50:45 PM
 
2013-09-16 06:51:00 PM

Snarfangel: Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?

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Gary Larson may be God in human form, he stops by to write a few thousand (or hundreds?) comics just to fark with us, point out how stupid we are and that's exactly how he intended us to be.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:00 PM

Jeep2011: EbolaNYC: Why is it that in these military installations no one has a weapon? There's no armed security at all?

WTF man.

Back in the day I worked, as US Army, in a really secret place. The civilians did not like the Military Guards so we suddenly had guards that would make TSA look like rocket scientist. First the guards  were armed but after a few mishaps handling weapons they were not armed.  I will never forget the time I was leaving work and a woman that looked about my Mom's age at the time told me that she did not have to check my backpack because in my big brown eyes she could tell I was too nice to be a bad guy. Reported her to my First Sergeant and CO. Never saw her again.

I ETSed in 1998, I thought things changed with 2011 but maybe not.


That was 9/11 ...damn beers
 
2013-09-16 06:51:07 PM

James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.

Remember that last time that guy with a bunch of throwing knives went postal and killed like fifteen people.

Neither do I.

\I would be a hell of a movie scene.

Because there is no other way a crazy person can kill a bunch of people? Seems like a senior citizen does it by accident about once a year.

A gun is convenient, but take away the gun and they will find something else.

Don't punish me for the actions of someone else.

As far as we know, yesterday Alexis was a responsible gun owner.

Maybe so, and any given criminal may have been a responsible citizen yesterday, but here in America you can't punish someone proactively based on crimes they could potentially commit.


Right. Which is why we should ban guns. A "responsible law abiding citizen" is only law abiding until he's not.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:17 PM

AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident


Cite?
 
2013-09-16 06:51:23 PM
shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

AngryDragon: Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.



Navy policy on firearms on base: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=54055

The military's ways are mysterious.
 
2013-09-16 06:51:35 PM

Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.


One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.
 
2013-09-16 06:52:43 PM
James10952001
One of the challenges in banning certain types of guns is that types that are most often used for sport purposes are just as potentially deadly as types modeled after military weapons. You can't do much to restrict the killing ability of a gun without running afoul of the second amendment entirely, so they are left debating mostly cosmetic aspects, the other option being to come out and say the real goal is to ban all guns, which would be an about-face for all but the most zealous gun haters.


I don't want to see all guns banned, but I am tired of seeing yet another 10+ people being shot at least once a month in the United States. I know from the point of view of a [a very crazy and morally wrong] shooter going into a movie theater or school, an AR15 and Mini14 would probably not have horribly difference performance. Pretty much same ammo, and extended clips are probably available for both.

It would be nice something could be done.

What has the NRA done about getting that health care out there to Americans?
 
2013-09-16 06:53:19 PM

Surpheon: GRCooper: unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.

It really is amazing how so many Americans are so ignorant of the world they consider that outrageous.


I'm sorry, are you referring to my post as being representative of those ignorant Americans?  When I lived in London and travelling around Europe, it was not uncommon for me to see guards armed with, I'm assuming, fully automatic capable weaponry (usually, MP5s) at places like embassies.  I'll assume that guards at military facilities are similarly armed.

Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.

/Only 7% of police officers in London are even trained in the use of firearms;  they are rarely carried

I see.  You're under the impression that AA used his shotgun to take the weapon from a police officer.  It's my understanding that this did not happen.

So, again, please explain to me how the events today could not have happened in the UK.  Please use small words - I'm an ignorant American.
 
2013-09-16 06:54:00 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


Like the laws that exempt gun shows from background checks? The laws that allow suspected terrorists to own firearms? And the laws that prevent the Centers for Disease Control from releasing data on deaths and injuries from firearms? "Enforce the existing laws" doesn't do any good when the NRA and their willing dupes ensure gaping loopholes and rampant, pro-active ignorance.
 
2013-09-16 06:54:05 PM
If Barrack Obama had a son, he would have looked like Aaron Alexis
 
2013-09-16 06:54:43 PM

RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?


False Flag!!!! 3...2...Potato!
 
2013-09-16 06:55:10 PM
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2013-09-16 06:55:20 PM

SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?


You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.
 
2013-09-16 06:55:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: James10952001: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: James10952001: Enemabag Jones: James10952001
Enemabag Jones: Has anyone said that this is not the time to talk about gun control.
Because I agree, this is not the proper time to talk about gun control. It does not show any respect to the victims of this tragedy.
In fact I blame violent video games.
I blame crazy assholes who feel the need to hurt other people.
[...[

Right. Which is why we should ban guns. A "responsible law abiding citizen" is only law abiding until he's not.


Good luck with that.

a particular individual: The laws that allow suspected terrorists to own firearms?


Can you expand on that?
 
2013-09-16 06:56:13 PM

AngryDragon: New information.  Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident.  Disqualified from owning a firearm.

Enforce the existing laws goddamn it.


Look, I'm with you on this. Problem is, there's no way to keep someone from owning a firearm. Legally, unless there is a law broken, his property couldn't have been searched. Reports are he started with a shotgun, which he didn't have to have a license or permit for. Over 18? it's yours. 150 bucks from WalMart brand new. Stolen or borrowed from someone? We'll find out.

From there, it seems he disarmed at least one other person and used that one.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:18 PM

JungleBoogie: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

AngryDragon: Ironic that they don't let soldiers carry sidearms on a military installation isn't it?  The ultimate expression of a gun-free zone.


Navy policy on firearms on base: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=54055

The military's ways are mysterious.


Military personnel have to keep their firearms in the Armory if they live in government housing. That is so Military personnel do not go nuts and shoot people. Yes...see how well that works.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:21 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.

The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


Some 85% of gun crime occurs with handguns, yet most of the focus is on so called assault rifles that are used in around 1% of gun violence. I would take the gun control argument a lot more seriously if not for this aspect. It has the outward appearance of an emotional tirade against guns that look scary, and that does not help the cause.

We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal, the difference is in how that is approached.

At any rate,
Overall violent crime has been steadily decreasing for decades an that can only be good news.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:52 PM

mizchief: Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.

One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.


Can't recall the last time a gun attack on armed soldiers became a "shooting rampage", whut?

Have you noticed that the shooters go to an unarmed mass of people to start shooting?

I do believe there is some wisdom in there, but it just keeps eluding me,,,
 
2013-09-16 06:57:11 PM

mediablitz: OscarTamerz: Thank heavens all the dead victims didn't have guns. Can you imagine the level of carnage there would have been if anybody had been able to defend themselves in a manner consistent with any reasonable interpretation of the second amendment. Just remember that when seconds count the police are always minutes away.

In this case, police with guns were seconds away. The first thing he did was shoot the guy with the gun and take it. Gave him more ammo to kill innocent people.

Your argument is AWESOME!!!


So, this shows that we need to disarm the police, as well?
 
2013-09-16 06:57:14 PM

JungleBoogie: I think we should start using a massacre scale, akin to the Fujita scale for tornadoes (F0-F5) and the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale (Category 1 - 5).

"S" could be the suffix, for "severity." I'll throw some numbers out there.

• S0: 2-3 deaths.
• S1: 4-6 deaths.
• S2: 6-10 deaths.
• S3: 10-20 deaths.
• S4: 20-40 deaths.
• S5: 40-80 deaths.
• S6: 80-150 deaths.
• S7: 150-500 deaths.
• S8: 500-1000 deaths.
• S9: 1000-5000 deaths.
• S10: 5000-25000 deaths.
• S11: 25000 - 100,000 deaths.
• S12: 100K - 500K deaths.
• S13: > 500K deaths


By that scale, 9/11 would only be an S9.  What's the S13 for, nuclear war?  Not much short of that a person or persons can do to be responsible for that many deaths.
/directly responsible at least
//of course some historic political figures are attributed that much
 
2013-09-16 06:57:55 PM

netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.


Sometimes people pray/ meditate because they need it.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:15 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Most Canadians wish that they had more rights, like in the US, rather than think everyone here is crazy.




You sir are full of shiat.... But keep talking for the rest of us.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:25 PM

TommyymmoT: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x508]


Comic Sans makes it all seem so innocuous.
 
2013-09-16 06:58:30 PM

LoneWolf343: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

Reality has a liberal bias.


If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:14 PM
Hmm, New Yorker or Texan? I'm gonna guess "born in NY but claims Texas as military Home of Record for Tax Purposes." The armed forces include plenty of "Texans" and "Floridians" who have never set foot in their "home state."

Gee, why don't all military people pack heat 24/7? Perhaps because the bulk of active duty servicemembers are young males in their teens to early 20s. This is a group that statistically lacks maturity of thought,  has low impulse control and is more likely to engage in binge drinking. This is also the age range when mental illness, if present, will begin to rear its ugly head. So no, they're probably not the population you want to be strolling around with loaded weapons, with little or no supervision.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:25 PM

James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal


No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.
 
2013-09-16 07:00:41 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

They also consider us a little extreme in our free speech, property rights and privacy issues when you look at their "hate speech", private property and privacy laws.

You also sound racist if you hate our gun culture


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2013-09-16 07:00:58 PM

Isitoveryet: PainfulItching: Isitoveryet: Radioactive Ass: lead bullets for hunting

I don't want to shoot what i'm going to eat with lead.

am currently looking into a taser hunting rod.

Enjoy your vegetables.

who in the hell hunts vegetables?


Zombies of course.

/can't be obscure
 
2013-09-16 07:01:28 PM
The_Mad_Dutchman
Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.
The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


I have not been in the military, but the more I have read about the subject I am confused. Many years I thought that full auto was just more dangerous then semi-auto. The more I find out, those full auto sessions at the range are just people having kickass fun.

Unless it is something where the military needs suppressing fire, I understand full auto spray and pray to be less and less effective anyway. It is much preferred to go semiauto or three-shot on one pull.

The whole full auto thing seems to be something to scaring people who know nothing about guns, and nothing to do with reality.

\I bet if a full-auto M16 was given wood furniture and placed against a off-the-shelf ar15 with lots of tactical accessories, many people would say the tactical ar15 was more scary.
 
2013-09-16 07:01:36 PM
When I saw a picture of Chief Lanier, was I the only one who also thought of  Sgt. Callahan? NSFW
 
2013-09-16 07:01:54 PM

Enemabag Jones: James10952001
One of the challenges in banning certain types of guns is that types that are most often used for sport purposes are just as potentially deadly as types modeled after military weapons. You can't do much to restrict the killing ability of a gun without running afoul of the second amendment entirely, so they are left debating mostly cosmetic aspects, the other option being to come out and say the real goal is to ban all guns, which would be an about-face for all but the most zealous gun haters.

I don't want to see all guns banned, but I am tired of seeing yet another 10+ people being shot at least once a month in the United States. I know from the point of view of a [a very crazy and morally wrong] shooter going into a movie theater or school, an AR15 and Mini14 would probably not have horribly difference performance. Pretty much same ammo, and extended clips are probably available for both.

It would be nice something could be done.

What has the NRA done about getting that health care out there to Americans?


What have health organizations done to promote gun rights? Or free speech? That isn't what the NRA does, nor should it be.

I'd also like to challenge the notion that all gun owners are card carrying NRA members an right wing conservative survivalists. I'm quite liberal on most things and never have cared for the NRA and they don't speak for me. I just happen to agree with them on certain matters.
 
2013-09-16 07:03:02 PM

skozlaw: James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal

No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.


If only there were a word for this "logic".

/more lurking for you
 
2013-09-16 07:04:09 PM
TFA:  One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

Publicdata.com:
Criminal Name SearchResults for 'ALEXIS,AARON' on 347 database(s) Searched by Name

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2013-09-16 07:04:21 PM

mizchief: If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.


Says the guy who thinks every person in the country should have to carry at least five firearms at a time everywhere he goes.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:21 PM

GRCooper: Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.


In the UK, you have a much higher training standard before guards are armed to the same extent in the US and there are far fewer weapons available. Shooting sprees still happen - a nut with a hunting rifle or shotgun can settle down and kill many people - but incidents like this just don't happen.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:25 PM

KhamanV: SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?

You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.


I wonder if this guy today listened to Judas Priest? That's supposed to be the definition, right? Heavy metal music is the devil, right? Or is it hot jazz? No, it's baseball that is corrupting the minds of youth.
 
2013-09-16 07:04:50 PM

GRCooper: Surpheon: GRCooper: unless those countries no longer have guards armed with military weaponry.

It really is amazing how so many Americans are so ignorant of the world they consider that outrageous.

I'm sorry, are you referring to my post as being representative of those ignorant Americans?  When I lived in London and travelling around Europe, it was not uncommon for me to see guards armed with, I'm assuming, fully automatic capable weaponry (usually, MP5s) at places like embassies.  I'll assume that guards at military facilities are similarly armed.

Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.

/Only 7% of police officers in London are even trained in the use of firearms;  they are rarely carried

I see.  You're under the impression that AA used his shotgun to take the weapon from a police officer.  It's my understanding that this did not happen.

So, again, please explain to me how the events today could not have happened in the UK.  Please use small words - I'm an ignorant American.


The biggest difference I see is cultural. People there are just not as likely to go on a killing rampage. That does seem to be more common here and it doesn't seem to correlate noticeably with availability of guns in a given area.
 
2013-09-16 07:05:05 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident

Cite?



Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard gunman, involved in prior shooting
 
2013-09-16 07:05:43 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: netgamer7k: Clearly Buddhism wouldn't teach the man to go out on a shooting rampage, so it had to be some kind of intoxication or mental illness.

Sometimes people pray/ meditate because they need it.


I have trained in Martial arts, yoga, and meditation for years. I did it to gain control over my body. Yet, I see so many Farkers with mental problems in martial arts, yoga and meditation who are trying to fix their minds because they are bat guano crazy. We try to help them but in most cases they need psychiatric help.
 
2013-09-16 07:07:42 PM

KhamanV: SithLord: Obscene_CNN: Seems like he entered the navy yard with a shot gun then "upgraded" his weapon by taking new ones from the people he killed.

Was he playing Doom?

You joke, but Sharpton and that useless chucklefark of an ex FBI guy they have at MSNBC just blamed violent video games for the killings.  Because Lanza played games, too and so did this guy, so somehow these two data points mean something.

You know, despite the studies that show otherwise and that gaming has gotten more prevalent, which might be why some totally unrelated dudes played some games.

Chucklefark FBI idiot also blamed the Aurora killings on some 'dark trekkie' or some crazy bullshiat.


If violent games caused violence, there would be mass shootings every day. Inherently violent people are likely to also enjoy violent games. That doesn't mean the games cause the violence.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:01 PM
shiat, another shooting. when will people get that...

Assault Rifles Enable Idiots To Take More Lives

regulate the weapon or the idiots that can own them. pick one.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:20 PM
PainfulItching:

I wonder if this guy today listened to Judas Priest? That's supposed to be the definition, right? Heavy metal music is the devil, right? Or is it hot jazz? No, it's baseball that is corrupting the minds of youth.

I took a look; FBI profiler guy is one of the 700 Club types.  So between the Devil's Music, the video games, and the non-Christian' preachin' this feller was into, clearly he was a weapon of Satan.

I wonder why he's not with the FBI anymore.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:34 PM

mizchief: LoneWolf343: RedVentrue: WOW. A tragedy that plays into a lib political agenda? Whoda thunkit?

Reality has a liberal bias.

If your of the thought that banning all guns to stop a lone madman is more practical than letting trained soldiers carry weapons on base then yes this feeds right into your hands.


There is a reasonable middle ground. It seems people have forgotten that. Holy fark.
 
2013-09-16 07:08:37 PM

snocone: If only there were a word for this "logic".


I don't know what you're crying about. Today's bloodshed, just like Aurora and Newtown and Fort Hood and Columbine and so many individual murders is the fruit of your constant victories in this argument.

You should wear the body count proudly. You've earned it.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:08 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


Maybe so, but no one has tried a ground invasion of US soil since the war of 1812. Even Japan knew not to get any closer to Hawaii, every other attack resulted in the immediate death of the attacker. That is what the authors of the 2nd intended. That and defending ourselves against a tyrannical government which unfortunately seems to become more necessary each day.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:22 PM

snocone: mizchief: Thank You Black Jesus!: If only there had been a force of armed individuals nearby. Or perhaps more guns.

If only.

One of the first things Clinton did was ban servicemen from carrying personal weapons on base and all but made it impossible for commanders to allow service-issued weapons carried on base for non-MP's:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-milit a ry-base-gun-ban/

Also, overseas when such attacks become a problem it was ordered that all military personnel carry while on duty regardless of current assignment:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban/index.ht m l

So hundreds of the best trained marksmen in the world sat there with their dicks in their hands (or each others if you want to throw in a navy gay joke) while waiting for local DC cops to show up.

Can't recall the last time a gun attack on armed soldiers became a "shooting rampage", whut?

Have you noticed that the shooters go to an unarmed mass of people to start shooting?

I do believe there is some wisdom in there, but it just keeps eluding me,,,


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-16 07:09:32 PM

The_Mad_Dutchman: Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.

The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.


That is a hell of a jump to make.  Just because legally registered machine guns weren't used in crime doesn't mean that machine guns aren't purchased or used by criminals.  Machine guns are used in about 2% of crime here in CA.  Majority?  No.  Represented?  Certainly.
 
2013-09-16 07:09:43 PM

shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.


You mean filthy pinko commies? I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion. They are just the idiots the ancient Greek senate complained about.
 
2013-09-16 07:10:12 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Les Comdien Masque: A black Buddhist from Texas.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09/16/5167160/fort-worth-man-accuse d -in-washington.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

FTA: Friends said he left the Navy because he didn't like to get up early.


Nobody likes to get up early! My last job, had to be up at 2am, that was some straight up farmer shiat!
 
2013-09-16 07:12:07 PM
Elegy:

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24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-16 07:12:11 PM

AngryDragon: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: Shooter was discharged dishonorably for a shooting incident

Cite?


Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard gunman, involved in prior shooting


Doesn't mention him being "discharged dishonorably."
 
2013-09-16 07:12:13 PM

skozlaw: James10952001: We ALL agree that reduced violence and crime in general is a worthy goal

No, we don't. Or, rather, gun "advocates" don't. Their ONLY concern is their virtually unfettered access to any and all firearms and ammunition with no inconvenience on their part regardless of any potential payoff. The ONLY way they would accept any measure to reduce violence and crime involving guns is if it could be accomplished in a way that doesn't involve them at all, which is, of course, impossible, since we don't have any psychics on hand to weed out future criminals before they commit their crimes.

Since their ONLY priority is their hobby, it is not unfair to say they do not, in fact, have any interest in reducing gun crime or violence.


Hyperbole much?

How many gun owners have you talked to about that? I know a LOT of gun owners, and none of us are advocating random violence. We cringe whenever one of these incidents happens because it pours gasoline on the anti-gun fire.
 
2013-09-16 07:12:55 PM

skozlaw: snocone: If only there were a word for this "logic".

I don't know what you're crying about. Today's bloodshed, just like Aurora and Newtown and Fort Hood and Columbine and so many individual murders is the fruit of your constant victories in this argument.

You should wear the body count proudly. You've earned it.


My body count would certainly surprise you.
But do provide another giggle.
 
2013-09-16 07:13:10 PM

Surpheon: The derp is strong with this one. Copper bullets may be a greater risk to start forest fires, but they are not regulated at all. Just another blatant lie from the right wing.


Do you have any idea how much a 20 ct. box of solid copper 30.06 costs? $50. Meanwhile a box of the same in FMJ lead is $17. 3x the price. There's a reason why meth-heads steal copper, that stuff is expensive. It will have the effect of pricing most hunters out of the game in California. That's not only a whole lot of revenue from hunting permits that will go away but also all of the side private businesses that rely upon hunters for their income. The only cheap alternative is, as I said before, steel and those are heavily regulated in their manufacture because they also have the side effect of being considered armor piercing rounds. The only derp here is yours in not knowing about the issue before you opened your mouth on it.
 
2013-09-16 07:13:29 PM

sleeps in trees: The_Mad_Dutchman: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: s2s2s2: shower_in_my_socks: One man killed 12 people, just as the authors of the 2nd Amt intended. I eagerly await news of which well regulated militia he was member of so we can get to the bottom of this. The rest of the world thinks our gun laws and gun culture are crazy, and they are farking right.

*Europe

Australia
Canada
Japan

Most Canadians wish that they had more rights, like in the US, rather than think everyone here is crazy.

You sir are full of shiat.... But keep talking for the rest of us.


Well, you certainly showed me. When it comes to talking for Canadians, I guess I didn't get the memo that I was to defer to you.
 
2013-09-16 07:14:16 PM

mizchief: That and defending ourselves against a tyrannical government which unfortunately seems to become more necessary each day.


being mischievous or grade A screwball?
 
2013-09-16 07:15:19 PM

snocone: My body count would certainly surprise you.
But do provide another giggle.


Passive-aggressive cowardice. How surprising.
 
2013-09-16 07:15:31 PM
James10952001
What have health organizations done to promote gun rights? Or free speech? That isn't what the NRA does, nor should it be.
I'd also like to challenge the notion that all gun owners are card carrying NRA members an right wing conservative survivalists. I'm quite liberal on most things and never have cared for the NRA and they don't speak for me. I just happen to agree with them on certain matters.


Link
Link

First their suggestion was a mental health database....nothing to do anything about guns. How is that progressing?

Second there are rational gunowners that are worried about gun owners rights. Then there are kneejerk NRA supporters that will disagree with anything, anything that restricts a gunowner's rights.

The NRA represents the makers of guns, not the average gunowner. That is why they will eventually break like the oak instead of bending like the willow. And responsible gun owners will their rights in a big way.
 
2013-09-16 07:15:49 PM

Hella Fark: shiat, another shooting. when will people get that...

Assault Rifles Enable Idiots To Take More Lives

regulate the weapon or the idiots that can own them. pick one.


I guess you missed that he used a shotgun? He killed a guard and stole the guard's rifle, so remind me what limit on assault rifles would have prevented this? Ban police and military from carrying them because some nut with a lesser weapon could steal it?
 
2013-09-16 07:16:22 PM

Godscrack: The shooter
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[imageshack.us image 349x471]

NRA strikes again.


That won't work, liberals can't admit that there are any black conservatives.
 
2013-09-16 07:17:10 PM
Some black/brown muslim/buddha guy killed 12 people and this gets 11 pages on Fark?

Nobody realizes thats what these people do all day, every day?

I guess it only matters when they kill Americans.

If they only kill 12 Syrians in one day, they get demoted.
 
2013-09-16 07:17:12 PM

skozlaw: snocone: My body count would certainly surprise you.
But do provide another giggle.

Passive-aggressive cowardice. How surprising.


OOh, that resembles a personal attack, you're doing fine.
 
2013-09-16 07:17:14 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Per Gawker: "A former friend described Alexis as a devout Buddhist. "

This will disappoint many people.


Not me.

Devout Buddhists are always setting themselves on fire. I'm tired of that passive-aggressive stuff. I want to see more Buddhists shoot people.

They should at least catch up to the Orthodox Jews or Amish. Christians and Muslims have way too much of a head start and the Hindus and Confucians aren't far behind.

Live once in a while. Shoot the place up. You've got lots of lives left.
 
2013-09-16 07:17:53 PM

Radioactive Ass: Surpheon: The derp is strong with this one. Copper bullets may be a greater risk to start forest fires, but they are not regulated at all. Just another blatant lie from the right wing.

Do you have any idea how much a 20 ct. box of solid copper 30.06 costs? $50. Meanwhile a box of the same in FMJ lead is $17. 3x the price. There's a reason why meth-heads steal copper, that stuff is expensive. It will have the effect of pricing most hunters out of the game in California. That's not only a whole lot of revenue from hunting permits that will go away but also all of the side private businesses that rely upon hunters for their income. The only cheap alternative is, as I said before, steel and those are heavily regulated in their manufacture because they also have the side effect of being considered armor piercing rounds. The only derp here is yours in not knowing about the issue before you opened your mouth on it.


I read that the reason they're banning the lead bullets is because hunters are being irresponsible and leaving them with the guts and other field dressing detritus for things like condors to eat.
 
2013-09-16 07:18:31 PM

WhyteRaven74: badhatharry: Only the guys at the front gate are armed. Not a very good plan.

This point has already been made but most people in the military aren't trained in dealing with situations such as what happened today. Having a bunch of people walking around with weapons in case of a situation like this who aren't trained to deal with it could easily lead to it being worse.


Citation, please.

I mean - you must have a number of examples where this did happen, as every state in the US now has some form of concealed carry permit.

Right?
 
2013-09-16 07:19:04 PM

plausdeny: The FBI is looking for more information about this deceased Texan, Aaron Alexis.  Can anyone help them out?


[www.fbi.gov image 109x128][www.fbi.gov image 101x128]


Well they're not actually looking for him. One of the investigators just wants to find a better dome wax guy...
 
2013-09-16 07:19:58 PM

Enemabag Jones: Second there are rational gunowners that are worried about gun owners rights. Then there are kneejerk NRA supporters that will disagree with anything, anything that restricts a gunowner's rights.


That really misses the point. The idiots who refuse EVERYTHING are an incredibly weak minority. The real problem is the HUGE number of indifferent idiots who SAY they want reasonable changes to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally ill but when it comes time to push for those things just yawns and turns away. A massive majority claims to want universal background checks, but if they have to actually DO something to make it happen, well fark that, so we don't get it because the 10-15% of nutjobs are the only ones who actually speak.

We don't get sensible gun regulation because of the huge majority of people who are too indifferent to act, not because the tiny minority of NRA-funded idiots has that much sway.
 
2013-09-16 07:20:13 PM

James10952001: Cletus C.: PainfulItching: Take away one type of gun = open yourself up to losing all guns
Take away one freedom = open yourself up to losing all freedom

Do I have that argument right?

Yes you do. It's called a slippery slope argument and generally is employed by people who have nothing.

And this here is slapping a name on the argument and casually dismissing it as old and busted, as is often done by people who have nothing.

"I don't have a sensible counter debate, therefore your analogy is wrong or has been used before and you are an idiot"


Uh, it's pretty much textbook. I didn't make it up.
 
2013-09-16 07:20:14 PM

skozlaw: snocone: If only there were a word for this "logic".

I don't know what you're crying about. Today's bloodshed, just like Aurora and Newtown and Fort Hood and Columbine and so many individual murders is the fruit of your constant victories in this argument.

You should wear the body count proudly. You've earned it.


Do you have any idea how small the numbers from all those events put together are compared to the non-gun violence going on in the inner city every day? You are obsessed with guns and don't seem to care about the real statistics.
 
2013-09-16 07:20:32 PM

Surpheon: GRCooper: Since shotguns are legal in the UK, please explain how my ignorance means that the situation today (guy armed with shotgun kills guard and takes fully capable weaponry which he then uses) could not happen in the UK.

In the UK, you have a much higher training standard before guards are armed to the same extent in the US and there are far fewer weapons available.


I see. So this is the fault of the guard whose weapon was taken, and, by extension, the Navy's fault for not training him adequately and having more weapons available.

Shooting sprees still happen - a nut with a hunting rifle or shotgun can settle down and kill many people - but incidents like this just don't happen.

And because it hasn't happened, that means it never will?  Gotcha.  We should get on that whole "training our guards" thing.
 
2013-09-16 07:21:03 PM
vrax
The_Mad_Dutchman: Enemabag Jones:
In 1986 full auto arm not grandfathered in were effectively made illegal for those of moderate incomes, but short of the temporary limitations in 1996 I don't remember a further clapdown on gunowners.
The closing of the machine gun registry in '86 was another feel good/do nothing piece of legislation anyway. Since the inception of the NFA in 1934, there have only been three (yes, three) murders commited with legally registered machine guns. One of these was even a police officer, he killed his spouse with a select-fire AR. Just recently a man killed his wife with an auto Uzi, part of his collection, otherwise we were at two murders for around 30 years. These just aren't the weapons criminals buy or use.
That is a hell of a jump to make. Just because legally registered machine guns weren't used in crime doesn't mean that machine guns aren't purchased or used by criminals. Machine guns are used in about 2% of crime here in CA. Majority? No. Represented? Certainly.


I think the difference here is between either illegally modified or illegally imported full-auto, and gun/rifles that were grandfathered in per the 1986 law.
 
2013-09-16 07:21:09 PM

brantgoose: They should at least catch up to the Orthodox Jews or Amish.


great, you just gave some over payed under imaginative t.v. exec his next show;

Buddhist Duck Mafia
 
2013-09-16 07:21:20 PM