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(ABC)   Why did a Syrian chopper get the works? That's nobody's business but the Tuuuuurks   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 55
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2013-09-16 03:25:48 PM
or because "it entered Turkish airspace and ignored repeated warnings to leave"

/but I'm a fan so I'll let it slide
 
2013-09-16 03:32:16 PM
Good reference submitter.

I mentioned this song last Friday - referring to it as a Four Lads song. My wife thought it was a Sha-Na-Na song, and somebody else said it was They Might Be Giants.

It's a real litmus test of generational popular music.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:24 PM
dailypop.files.wordpress.com
That helicopter needed McBain.
 
2013-09-16 04:42:50 PM
Guys, I need to borrow a magnifying glass.

I can't find my tiny violin to play.
 
2013-09-16 04:45:16 PM
Hey Syria! Welcome to a world where everyone hates you!
Signed,
America
 
2013-09-16 04:46:03 PM
Turkey needs an air force? But.... *puts on sunglasses*

God as my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
 
2013-09-16 04:47:12 PM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-16 04:48:19 PM

Rapmaster2000: [dailypop.files.wordpress.com image 768x305]
That helicopter needed McBain.


McBain?
www.geeksofdoom.com
 
2013-09-16 04:48:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Guys, I need to borrow a magnifying glass.

I can't find my tiny violin to play.


That's what she said!
 
2013-09-16 04:48:53 PM
It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.
 
2013-09-16 04:57:09 PM
Now THESE are what I call lyrics:

"doot doo doo
 doot do do do do do do
 doot doo doo
 doot do do do do do do
 doot doo doo
 doot do do do do do do
 doot doo doo
 doot do do do do do do
 Istanbul (Istanbul)"

Wow, that's fantastic! It's almost as good as the ever-eloquent Close Lobsters during the bridge of their mid-80's underground-dive staple "I Take Bribes".

"Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah"

...and then they shock the hell out of you by changing it up ONLY on the last verse:

"Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah"

Notice how they use SIX yeah's instead of alternating with five.

Why would they do something so counterintuitive - but so nakedly, utterly, mind-bendingly genius? This musical non-sequitur doesn't change the subject -it changes the world.

Amazingly, it was only one of many wonders I was privileged enough to study in great detail as a gigging musician beginning in the early 80's. I only wish more people understood the depth of musical sophistication and highly-developed bespeakments of technical achievement which characterized this most richly flowering period in modern artistic expression.
 
2013-09-16 04:59:23 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-16 04:59:46 PM

minnesotaboy: [t0.gstatic.com image 275x183]


I hate those commercials.
Not funny.
 
2013-09-16 05:01:54 PM

jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.


Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)
 
2013-09-16 05:06:33 PM
I miss me a good hot turkey sandwich, open faced with gravy and stuffing....Come on November.
 
2013-09-16 05:06:55 PM

gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)


My post was a humorous attempt to question their contention that the thing was in Turkish airspace, not leaving, but ends up falling on Syrian territory. The story doesn't add up. Maybe further detail, like, "We hit them and they hightailed it back to Syria before they ultimately crashed," would clear things up, but until then, I'm going to put this in the you've-got-to-do-better-than-that category.
 
2013-09-16 05:20:55 PM
Last recorded transmission from helicopter:
"I'm not a chicken, *you're* a turkey!"
 
2013-09-16 05:24:51 PM
Arinc said he did not have any information on the fate of the Syrian pilots, but Rami Abdul-Rahman, director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said rebel fighters captured one of the pilots, while the fate of the other one was unclear.

There's a good chance that at least one person is having a very bad day.
 
2013-09-16 05:25:35 PM
I hit a turkey once.  Farked the car up nice and good.
 
2013-09-16 05:27:34 PM

gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)


How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?
 
2013-09-16 05:35:14 PM
After years of this headline "joke" on fark, that band and the morons whose only mental connection of the region is to that song should DIAF.
 
2013-09-16 05:37:12 PM

FuturePastNow: gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)

How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?


Because getting hit by a missile doesn't mean the helicopter instantly blew up?    Most air to air missiles have proximity fuses.    A proximity hit will do a variable amount of damage based on distance and what part of the helicopter got hit.   Military helicopters are also hardened to be resistant to damage to some extent.   So in otherwords, a critical system was damaged, but not enough for a catastrophic kill.   Helicopter was able to retreat and attempt to land on its own side of the border.
 
2013-09-16 05:42:07 PM

FuturePastNow: gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.


How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?


it has a lot to do with the direction the helicopter was flying, the velocity and where the missle hit it.  the border is not a big red line on a map, thus may have accidently crossed the border and paniced.   turning  back to get back across the border when the Turkish jet received the order to shoot it down.  things happen quickly at 300-500 mph.   a tail hit would cause a spin and the helicopter could still land and the people inside survive.   if it was at 20000 feet and fell at 45 degrees it would go 4 miles before impact.
 
2013-09-16 05:45:00 PM

danielscissorhands: Turkey needs an air force? But.... *puts on sunglasses*

God as my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!


Actually, they can (just not the Thanksgiving ones):
www.birdsasart.com
 
2013-09-16 05:45:28 PM

FuturePastNow: How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?


It didn't blow up in the air and managed to limp a mile or so back to Syria.  Think about it.  If it had blown up or were immediately disabled, would at least one of them survived?

There's actually video of it somewhere that I saw on TV earlier.  I'll post a link if I can find one

I don't think Turkey really wants to get involved, but has said they will defend themselves.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:39 PM

weiserfireman: Military helicopters are also hardened to be resistant to damage to some extent.   So in otherwords, a critical system was damaged, but not enough for a catastrophic kill.   Helicopter was able to retreat and attempt to land on its own side of the border.


The video of the crash pretty much shows it slowly auto-rotating while on fire nearly straight down.

From the radar plots the Turkish Air Force released, the helo was messing around near the border, the F-16 came over right when the helo strayed into a bit of Turkish territory, the F-16 fired (after the helo turned back towards Syria) and the helo was hit close to the border, then crashed in Syria.
 
2013-09-16 05:57:31 PM
Good.
 
2013-09-16 06:03:01 PM
DAMMIT!

/Istanbul to Constantanople, Istanbul to Constantinople
 
2013-09-16 06:05:05 PM
Where's Airwolf when you need it.
 
2013-09-16 06:10:12 PM

Therion: After years of this headline "joke" on fark, that band and the morons whose only mental connection of the region is to that song should DIAF.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-16 06:11:02 PM

mike_d85: DAMMIT!

/Istanbul to Constantanople, Istanbul to Constantinople


Istanbul not Constantinople
 
2013-09-16 06:11:07 PM

jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.


It is indeed interesting that:
a) the chopper pilots ignored the warning shots.
b) that they hit it with enough force that it blew back a kilometer and crashed in Syria.

/I realize that they could have damaged it and the chopper was unable to make it back to the pad.
 
2013-09-16 06:13:49 PM
Not related but good tune:

Blue Rondo A La Turk
 
2013-09-16 06:17:10 PM
If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Except for a small region somewhat south of Carbondale, Illinoisans can afford cocaine.  The only significant meth consuming neighborhood that I am aware of in Chicago is Boy's Town, not even the hillbilly neighborhood by Truman Coll. vends to my knowledge.
 
2013-09-16 06:34:38 PM

FuturePastNow: gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)

How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?


first it helps if you understand how most Air to Air Missiles work.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sidewinder8.htm

essentially...once the proximity fuse detonates the warhead, it creates a farkton of flak...1000s of small fragments that shred the target aircraft.
It's not a looney toons cartoon where the missile hits creating a giant explosion that  destroys the entire aircraft.
 
2013-09-16 06:48:29 PM
Turkey is mad we're not bombing Syria. They're just stirring shiat up.
 
2013-09-16 06:56:10 PM
I would comment on this but I have a date in Constantinople.

/Blue canary in the alley by the light switch
 
2013-09-16 07:20:57 PM

illannoyin: I would comment on this but I have a date in Constantinople.

/Blue canary in the alley by the light switch


You put too fine a point on it, me thinks.
 
2013-09-16 07:26:20 PM

Stratohead: It's not a looney toons cartoon where the missile hits creating a giant explosion that destroys the entire aircraft.


Only Top Gun and China genuinely believe that.
 
2013-09-16 07:30:01 PM
I was going to say props to subby for the headline... Which is almost an air force pun.
 
2013-09-16 07:31:26 PM
props... That is.
 
2013-09-16 07:40:02 PM
Praises and accolades Subby.

I am sure Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal, and (even)Gilgamesh would concur.
 
2013-09-16 08:03:24 PM

danielscissorhands: I was going to say props to subby for the headline... Which is almost an air force pun.


i883.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-16 08:26:50 PM
That one pilot was captured by Al-Quida and executed according to other news sources.

http://inagist.com/all/379636323771895808/   (best with quick Google search).

Hey Turkey, maybe Syria wouldn't have helicopters over the border, if you didn't tolerate Al-Quida operating from there.
 
2013-09-16 08:56:38 PM

Therion: After years of this headline "joke" on fark, that band and the morons whose only mental connection of the region is to that song should DIAF.


I don't know, I think it's a rather witty commentary on the reasons behind the Name Change and what some would call the "silly reasoning" behind it. Turkey was far more successful than Iran after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but one could reasonably argue that the lengths they went to to manage it were over the line.

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul


Describes some of the confusion that probably existed at the time of the switch, especially when Arabic writing was outlawed in favor of Latin and suddenly most of the country became illiterate.
 
2013-09-16 09:19:03 PM

CanisNoir: Therion: After years of this headline "joke" on fark, that band and the morons whose only mental connection of the region is to that song should DIAF.

I don't know, I think it's a rather witty commentary on the reasons behind the Name Change and what some would call the "silly reasoning" behind it. Turkey was far more successful than Iran after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but one could reasonably argue that the lengths they went to to manage it were over the line.

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Describes some of the confusion that probably existed at the time of the switch, especially when Arabic writing was outlawed in favor of Latin and suddenly most of the country became illiterate.


Yes, and Birdhouse in your Soul is a polemic against the Roman Catholic Church.

/or maybe they're both just silly songs
//I guess we'll never know
 
2013-09-16 09:27:52 PM
www.redcarpetcrash.com
I vote we send in Ben Affleck
 
2013-09-16 09:28:05 PM

Tman144: /or maybe they're both just silly songs


This is what I'd put my money on :)
 
2013-09-16 09:34:21 PM

BigNumber12: danielscissorhands: I was going to say props to subby for the headline... Which is almost an air force pun.


Do they have anger management for mad props?
 
2013-09-16 09:40:30 PM

FuturePastNow: gfid: jjorsett: It was totally in our airspace and and and we warned and warned it but it wouldn't leave but then we shot it and it fell back into Syria.

If this were the Chicago PD, they'd be planting crystal meth and handguns on it about now.

Well, why would Turkey want to fire on a Syrian chopper unless it actually had invaded their airspace?

OTOH, why the hell would a Syrian chopper want to fly into Turkey?  (Unless they were just trying to leave Syria)

How does a helicopter that has been hit by air-to-air missiles fly several miles back to the border before crashing?


A mile and a quarter isn't that far when you have a bunch of altitude. And it wouldn't be surprising if the helicopter was crippled but not destroyed by the missile. They don't just vapourize the aircraft. Also remember that missiles don't actually hit their target, theygenerally use proximity fuses and hit them with shrapnel. Plus you have the time between firing the missile and it hitting.

As for why a Syrian helicopter would enter Turkish airspace, there are a number of reasons to do so including, avoiding rebel AA positions, getting lost, chasing a target that crossed the border. They aren't great reasons and have issues, but they are better than any reason to shoot down a helicopter in Syrian airspace.
 
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