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(ABC)   President Obama:"I cannot remember a time when one party promises economic chaos if it can't get 100% of what it wants." Really? Is it traumatic memory suppression of the Republicans in the 2011 debt-ceiling disaster or early onset Alzheimer's?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 228
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2013-09-16 03:11:52 PM  

NFA: The Republican party has become a group of economic terrorists who are attempting to hold our financial health hostage unless they can subvert what remains of the public wealth over to the richest components of society.

They need to be treated as such.

There have been cases where Republican senators have advocated collapsing the economy to get a re-write of the US constitution and it's waved off as crazy GOP talk.  At what point do we begin to treat them as a national threat?


Hey, if you want a Second Civil War, by all means try and actually remove these guys from office by force.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:33 PM  

max_pooper: What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.


Obama should say that he is looking forward to the government getting shut down.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 03:12:49 PM  

sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.


Yes, then they seceded from the Democratic party and took over the Republican party when the Democrats passed the civil rights bill.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:50 PM  

Aristocles: Secure the the border refers to the national border with Mexico.


And, what does that entail?  How much will it cost?  How will you pay for it (please don't be stupid and say eliminating fraud, waste and abuse will do the trick...since it's an obvious lie)? Keep in mind the border is nearly 2,000 miles long.

And, what about the border with Canada?  Why aren't you interested in securing that one?

Aristocles: Republicans don't want to arrange marriages


I didn't claim Republicans wanted to arrange marriages.  What you've attempted is called a straw man argument.  I said Republicans want to tell people who they can marry and what they can do with their bodies.  And, that's the truth.  How do you reconcile that anti-freedom impulse with your "promote freedom" claptrap?
 
2013-09-16 03:13:23 PM  

eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.


It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:23 PM  

MyRandomName: What have the democrats offered up in compromise again?


There's nothing to offer. Raising the debt limit isn't a favor.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:43 PM  
The Republicans in the House of Representatives are hell-bent on crippling the economic recovery of the United States in the name of political partisanship. If Michelle Bachmann's called for investigation of un-American activities in Congress were to take place today an impartial judge would discover that most of the members of Bachmann's own party are guilty.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:44 PM  
Uncompromising men are easy to admire. He has courage; so does a dog. But it is exactly the ability to *compromise* that makes a man noble. And understand this: Barack "HUSSEIN" O Bama is the most ruthless President ever to sit in the White House. And none of us, and nothing of America will remain, unless *we* are as ruthless. Give ear to our talk radio. Knowing their minds is the key to the Presidency.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:53 PM  

Virulency: I don't think they want slavery they'd prefer serfdom...


If wage slavery gets the job done, chattel slavery is unnecessary.
 
2013-09-16 03:15:38 PM  
His remarks have hinted at a potential constitutional confrontation with Republicans. Section 4 of the 14th Amendment says that "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

This would be awesome to witness.
 
2013-09-16 03:17:08 PM  

Aristocles: eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.


Who or what is BOB?

Also, Obamacare is estimated to decrease the deficit:  CBO: Repealing Obama healthcare law will increase budget deficit
 
2013-09-16 03:17:18 PM  

Virulency: Also: 10? i thought it was everything after other than the second amendment


Yo dawg, I herd u liek FingTFY, so I FTFY your FTFY, so you can read a fix while you're fixed.
 
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2013-09-16 03:18:49 PM  

eraser8: I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.


It wouldn't matter.  Republicans love waste fraud and abuse.  They were the ones who came up with the no-bid contracts for defense contractors.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 03:20:45 PM  

eraser8: If wage slavery gets the job done, chattel slavery is unnecessary.


it's better because you don't have to feed them when you don't need them.
 
2013-09-16 03:21:17 PM  

Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.


Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"
 
2013-09-16 03:22:45 PM  
So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored
 
2013-09-16 03:22:55 PM  

Mi-5: Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.

Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


'paying for things i don't like'.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:01 PM  

Mi-5: Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.

Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


let me tell you about solyndra
 
2013-09-16 03:23:32 PM  

Mi-5: I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


He means whatever will get him the most responses from farkers.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:33 PM  

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.


I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:26 PM  

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


Actually they are pretty clear about it this time. Last time their demands were some pretty incoherent ramblings about balanced budget amendments and the unworkable Ryan Budget plan. This time it's "Defund the ACA." It's true you can't meet them halfway by, say, reducing funding for the ACA but at least this time it's an actual coherent demand.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:39 PM  
I cant wait for the 2014 republican beatdown. Obamacare will be working and Democrats will probably have legal weed propositions on the ballot in several states. The Feds aren't going to challenge CO and WA, so why wouldn't they? They'll use it to GOTV just like Rove did with gay marriage in the 2004 election. That's what I'd do at least. Should be interesting.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:41 PM  
Obama to tout the economy?  If "tout" now means fark the living shiate out of, then maybe.
 
2013-09-16 03:26:23 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Less than zero


Only because what the Republicans want is "the opposite of whatever Obama offers".
 
2013-09-16 03:26:35 PM  

Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.


I am curious what they will do when they fail.

Will they take credit for it eight years form now, or will they simply line and claim that they succeeded in overturning Obamacare, knowing that their base won't recognize the actual ACA's benefits for what they are?
 
2013-09-16 03:26:43 PM  

Aristocles: eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-16 03:27:35 PM  

Kittypie070: So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored


The GOP is already anti-Chevy. Remember "Government Motors"? "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" (remember - the reason all those words are capitalized is because that's the TITLE of the op-ed)?
 
2013-09-16 03:28:44 PM  
The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.
 
2013-09-16 03:29:09 PM  

max_pooper: Who is Bob?


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-16 03:31:29 PM  

Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?


Aw yes. I know of Bob. What the hell does have to do with debt ceiling negotiations?
 
2013-09-16 03:31:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?

[images.sodahead.com image 300x300]


Is that a still from the Soundgarden video?
 
2013-09-16 03:32:20 PM  
eraser8: What is it you think Republicans want?

The same question was asked of Republicans before by these guys.

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-09-16 03:33:04 PM  

max_pooper: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.


Huh.  I'd pay to watch Obama propose defunding Obamacare....just to watch Teabaggers go nuts insisting it be fully funded.
 
2013-09-16 03:33:39 PM  

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


The question of whether the parties got what they wanted was decided during passage of the continuing resolution and has nothing to do with the debt limit.  The most recent continuing resolution (HR-133) passed with 199 Republican votes in the House.  So, I would argue that since a majority of House Republicans have already approved of the spending, that they should likewise approve of the borrowing necessary to execute that spending.
 
2013-09-16 03:33:51 PM  

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.


Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.
 
2013-09-16 03:34:36 PM  

ikanreed: Look, we should just let them crash the economy.  The long term costs of continuing to elect republicans are lower than letting people see the consequences of that action.


You have a point.  A terrible price to pay for the good of mankind.
 
2013-09-16 03:35:15 PM  

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


Aren't you ever bothered by the fact that you're a liar and a coward?
 
2013-09-16 03:37:02 PM  

Headso: Mi-5: I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"

He means whatever will get him the most responses from farkers.


This.
 
2013-09-16 03:38:12 PM  

Aristocles: Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?

[images.sodahead.com image 300x300]

Is that a still from the Soundgarden video?


I think it's from an old commercial for "indicator pills" (if you actually buy them it indicates that you are stupid or desperate...or both)
 
2013-09-16 03:38:33 PM  

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:31 PM  
If the Republicans can't get their act together to pass a budget and to fund the government they are incompetent to perform their jobs and should be replaced. The largest economy in the world is being mishandled by a bunch of irresponsible fanatics. Anywhere outside of the congress this would be grounds for immediate termination and, possibly, criminal prosecution.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:36 PM  

Chariset: You're blah, Mr. President.  That makes everything you do the work of the Devil and everything the other side does okay.


Wait until the 2016.

If a Republican wins, it will be the dawning of a new golden age for America.

If a Democrat wins, it will be confirmation of the continuation of 1000 years of darkness because the new Democratic President is obviously the libbiest lib that ever dared lib, but at least Obama wasn't that bad, and that while mediocre in general, tried to make up for his obvious failings.
 
2013-09-16 03:41:55 PM  

vpb: sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.

Yes, then they seceded from the Democratic party and took over the Republican party when the Democrats passed the civil rights bill.


It was interesting phrasing, but that was a perfect example of "give us what we want or we'll literally blow up the country."  By that point the Southern Democrats were pretty much acting as a separate party.
 
2013-09-16 03:43:17 PM  

max_pooper: Who is Bob?


You know.  He's the guy who took a belt, took a belt and hung himself, hung himself in the doorway of the apartment where he lived.
 
2013-09-16 03:44:04 PM  

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.


I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:07 PM  

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.

I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.


Uh no it isn't. Please find another lie to troll with.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:36 PM  
Republicans give a rat's f*ck about America only when they're in charge.  and they don't really care about it then either. America is their casino and they love to gamble with other people's money.


they do care about the dollars, though.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:39 PM  

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


Well, seeing as how anything that's been offered to them hasn't met their exact temper tantrum driven list of DEMANDS, I'mma go with exactly a big ole zero, zip, zilch, nada, goose egg, hamster wheel there big buddy.

But you knew that.

Silly troll.  Facts are for grown ups.
 
2013-09-16 03:47:05 PM  

Aristocles: Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


The deficit has been and is continuing to be reduced without a single budget being passed through the whole Congress and signed by the President. Government spending is not out of control.
 
2013-09-16 03:47:08 PM  

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.

I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.


I don't see a bottom line with a zero on it. Please show your math.
 
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