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(ABC)   President Obama:"I cannot remember a time when one party promises economic chaos if it can't get 100% of what it wants." Really? Is it traumatic memory suppression of the Republicans in the 2011 debt-ceiling disaster or early onset Alzheimer's?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 230
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2013-09-16 01:49:05 PM
Neither: It's subby's fail in reading comprehension since the President refers to exactly that.
 
2013-09-16 01:53:10 PM
You're blah, Mr. President.  That makes everything you do the work of the Devil and everything the other side does okay.
 
2013-09-16 01:53:46 PM
What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?
 
2013-09-16 02:02:02 PM
you know who else had early onset Alzheimer's?

/seriously, do you know?
//I forgot.
 
2013-09-16 02:15:20 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


Less than zero
 
2013-09-16 02:42:47 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


irrelevant. you don't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2013-09-16 02:44:22 PM

ManateeGag: you know who else had early onset Alzheimer's?

/seriously, do you know?
//I forgot.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-16 02:44:32 PM
I think that headline gave me early onset alzheimer's
 
2013-09-16 02:44:36 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Less than zero


What percentage of what the Republicans "want" is based on what they know Obama doesn't want?
 
2013-09-16 02:45:37 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?
 
2013-09-16 02:45:42 PM

FlashHarry: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

irrelevant. you don't negotiate with terrorists.


The difference is that terrorists might actually release hostages if you negotiate. The Republicans in the House would just shoot them, take more, and escalate demands.
 
2013-09-16 02:46:18 PM
It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 02:46:30 PM
The Republican party has become a group of economic terrorists who are attempting to hold our financial health hostage unless they can subvert what remains of the public wealth over to the richest components of society.

They need to be treated as such.

There have been cases where Republican senators have advocated collapsing the economy to get a re-write of the US constitution and it's waved off as crazy GOP talk.  At what point do we begin to treat them as a national threat?
 
2013-09-16 02:46:33 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


and how lightening quickly will that desire change once the current administration is in favor of it.
 
2013-09-16 02:47:50 PM

Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.


Blame Obama for Putin's reelection.
 
2013-09-16 02:48:27 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: FlashHarry: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

irrelevant. you don't negotiate with terrorists.

The difference is that terrorists might actually release hostages if you negotiate. The Republicans in the House would just shoot them, take more, and escalate demands.


And yell, "This is your fault! It's your fault I'm pulling this trigger!!" all the while.
 
2013-09-16 02:48:34 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things
 
2013-09-16 02:49:47 PM
I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?
 
2013-09-16 02:51:54 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: Neither: It's subby's fail in reading comprehension since the President refers to exactly thattroll.

 
2013-09-16 02:51:57 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.
 
2013-09-16 02:52:04 PM

lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?


The govt shutdown. We were on a four day roadtrip over thanksgiving and a few nat park gates were closed.
Oh well, the GOP ended up caving.
But they are a shiatload crazier now!
 
2013-09-16 02:52:34 PM
Yes, how dare you force this sequester on us Obama(I'm 100% confident that's how it went down), then not cut things again this year!?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-09-16 02:53:37 PM

max_pooper: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.


Clearly the only solution is to propose shutting the government down while balancing the budget on the backs of the homeless.
 
2013-09-16 02:54:00 PM

lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?


Republicans forced government shutdowns during the Clinton administration over spending but they never did it over the debt ceiling.
 
2013-09-16 02:55:31 PM

ib_thinkin: max_pooper: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.

Clearly the only solution is to propose shutting the government down while balancing the budget on the backs of the homeless.


Look, we should just let them crash the economy.  The long term costs of continuing to elect republicans are lower than letting people see the consequences of that action.
 
2013-09-16 02:56:03 PM
Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.
 
2013-09-16 02:56:27 PM
When the next election rolls around will the GOP become the misogynist party while bashing Hillary?
It only adds to the current racist label. How much longer can they last?
 
2013-09-16 02:59:57 PM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


Deregulate the economy, ban abortion, deny minorities the vote, start a trade war, and make baptism mandatory.
 
2013-09-16 03:00:34 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


Literally the opposite of anything Obama proposes?
 
2013-09-16 03:00:45 PM

lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?


The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.
 
2013-09-16 03:00:53 PM
So,  he's a divider.   Not a uniter.
 
2013-09-16 03:01:00 PM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.
 
2013-09-16 03:02:25 PM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


First, repealing Obamacare would bust the budget.

Second, taxes are already at an historic low for the modern era.  If you want lower taxes, you're going to have to basically eliminate the Defense Department.  Or, you're going to have to dismantle Medicare and Social Security.  Are Republicans willing to campaign to do either?

Everyone wants to end government waste fraud and abuse.

What the hell does "secure the border" mean or entail?  Be specific.

Telling people who they can marry and what they can do with their bodies doesn't promote freedom...unless your version of freedom is "freedom for me but not for thee."
 
2013-09-16 03:02:42 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


Wasn't it Boehner that said they got 94% of what they wanted?There's your answer
 
2013-09-16 03:02:45 PM

Pinner: When the next election rolls around will the GOP become the misogynist party while bashing Hillary?
It only adds to the current racist label. How much longer can they last?


Nah, they'll run some clown-shoes candidates in the primary for 2016 that happen to be non-white and/or female as "proof" that big-tent Republicanism is still a real goal for the party. Then they'll put up another white guy when they remember their voting base consists primarily of white guys.
 
2013-09-16 03:03:59 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Pinner: When the next election rolls around will the GOP become the misogynist party while bashing Hillary?
It only adds to the current racist label. How much longer can they last?

Nah, they'll run some clown-shoes candidates in the primary for 2016 that happen to be non-white and/or female as "proof" that big-tent Republicanism is still a real goal for the party. Then they'll put up another white guy when they remember their voting base consists primarily of white guys.


I heard Mitt Romney doesn't have anything planned for the near future.
 
2013-09-16 03:05:11 PM

theorellior: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Wasn't it Boehner that said they got 94% of what they wanted?There's your answer


98%. Boehner got 98% of what he wanted out of the negotiations that lead to the sequester. 98%.
 
2013-09-16 03:05:48 PM

theorellior: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Wasn't it Boehner that said they got 94% of what they wanted?There's your answer


Yeah, but that was the last time.  They want different things now.  Or... something....
 
2013-09-16 03:06:06 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.


No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:20 PM
sprawl15:
I heard Mitt Romney doesn't have anything planned for the near future.

could be some lucrative options in being a Bruce Campbell impersonator.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:25 PM
Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to be the cause of government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy corporate lordship.

FTFY
/They're actually just fine with that waste, fraud, and abuse so long as they're the ones doing the wasting, abusing and defrauding.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:29 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


To watch the world burn?
 
2013-09-16 03:07:05 PM

Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.


You're such a bullshiat troll that even your bullshiat is bullshiat.
 
2013-09-16 03:07:11 PM
Freedom=money for the rich.  Stop over-thinking this with "fundamental principles" or other liberal claptrap.
 
2013-09-16 03:07:15 PM
 
2013-09-16 03:07:20 PM

Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.


I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-09-16 03:07:45 PM

eraser8: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

First, repealing Obamacare would bust the budget.

Second, taxes are already at an historic low for the modern era.  If you want lower taxes, you're going to have to basically eliminate the Defense Department.  Or, you're going to have to dismantle Medicare and Social Security.  Are Republicans willing to campaign to do either?

Everyone wants to end government waste fraud and abuse.

What the hell does "secure the border" mean or entail?  Be specific.

Telling people who they can marry and what they can do with their bodies doesn't promote freedom...unless your version of freedom is "freedom for me but not for thee."


Secure the the border refers to the national border with Mexico. Republicans don't want to arrange marriages, that, folks, is called a straw man argument.
 
2013-09-16 03:08:45 PM

sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-16 03:08:50 PM

bmongar: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things


I don't think they want slavery they'd prefer serfdom...

Also: 10? i thought it was everything after the second amendment
 
2013-09-16 03:09:59 PM
What have the democrats offered up in compromise again? They are calling for end of sequester, increased spending after that and 1 trillion in new taxes.

What compromise is he referring to exactly?
 
2013-09-16 03:11:52 PM

NFA: The Republican party has become a group of economic terrorists who are attempting to hold our financial health hostage unless they can subvert what remains of the public wealth over to the richest components of society.

They need to be treated as such.

There have been cases where Republican senators have advocated collapsing the economy to get a re-write of the US constitution and it's waved off as crazy GOP talk.  At what point do we begin to treat them as a national threat?


Hey, if you want a Second Civil War, by all means try and actually remove these guys from office by force.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:33 PM

max_pooper: What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.


Obama should say that he is looking forward to the government getting shut down.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 03:12:49 PM

sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.


Yes, then they seceded from the Democratic party and took over the Republican party when the Democrats passed the civil rights bill.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:50 PM

Aristocles: Secure the the border refers to the national border with Mexico.


And, what does that entail?  How much will it cost?  How will you pay for it (please don't be stupid and say eliminating fraud, waste and abuse will do the trick...since it's an obvious lie)? Keep in mind the border is nearly 2,000 miles long.

And, what about the border with Canada?  Why aren't you interested in securing that one?

Aristocles: Republicans don't want to arrange marriages


I didn't claim Republicans wanted to arrange marriages.  What you've attempted is called a straw man argument.  I said Republicans want to tell people who they can marry and what they can do with their bodies.  And, that's the truth.  How do you reconcile that anti-freedom impulse with your "promote freedom" claptrap?
 
2013-09-16 03:13:23 PM

eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.


It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:23 PM

MyRandomName: What have the democrats offered up in compromise again?


There's nothing to offer. Raising the debt limit isn't a favor.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:43 PM
The Republicans in the House of Representatives are hell-bent on crippling the economic recovery of the United States in the name of political partisanship. If Michelle Bachmann's called for investigation of un-American activities in Congress were to take place today an impartial judge would discover that most of the members of Bachmann's own party are guilty.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:44 PM
Uncompromising men are easy to admire. He has courage; so does a dog. But it is exactly the ability to *compromise* that makes a man noble. And understand this: Barack "HUSSEIN" O Bama is the most ruthless President ever to sit in the White House. And none of us, and nothing of America will remain, unless *we* are as ruthless. Give ear to our talk radio. Knowing their minds is the key to the Presidency.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:53 PM

Virulency: I don't think they want slavery they'd prefer serfdom...


If wage slavery gets the job done, chattel slavery is unnecessary.
 
2013-09-16 03:15:38 PM
His remarks have hinted at a potential constitutional confrontation with Republicans. Section 4 of the 14th Amendment says that "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

This would be awesome to witness.
 
2013-09-16 03:17:08 PM

Aristocles: eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.


Who or what is BOB?

Also, Obamacare is estimated to decrease the deficit:  CBO: Repealing Obama healthcare law will increase budget deficit
 
2013-09-16 03:17:18 PM

Virulency: Also: 10? i thought it was everything after other than the second amendment


Yo dawg, I herd u liek FingTFY, so I FTFY your FTFY, so you can read a fix while you're fixed.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 03:18:49 PM

eraser8: I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.


It wouldn't matter.  Republicans love waste fraud and abuse.  They were the ones who came up with the no-bid contracts for defense contractors.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 03:20:45 PM

eraser8: If wage slavery gets the job done, chattel slavery is unnecessary.


it's better because you don't have to feed them when you don't need them.
 
2013-09-16 03:21:17 PM

Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.


Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"
 
2013-09-16 03:22:45 PM
So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored
 
2013-09-16 03:22:55 PM

Mi-5: Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.

Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


'paying for things i don't like'.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:01 PM

Mi-5: Aristocles: ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash.

Please be specific about this request and specifically define it.  Because the general term "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" is so vague that it is void for its vagueness.

I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


let me tell you about solyndra
 
2013-09-16 03:23:32 PM

Mi-5: I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"


He means whatever will get him the most responses from farkers.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:33 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.


I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:26 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


Actually they are pretty clear about it this time. Last time their demands were some pretty incoherent ramblings about balanced budget amendments and the unworkable Ryan Budget plan. This time it's "Defund the ACA." It's true you can't meet them halfway by, say, reducing funding for the ACA but at least this time it's an actual coherent demand.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:39 PM
I cant wait for the 2014 republican beatdown. Obamacare will be working and Democrats will probably have legal weed propositions on the ballot in several states. The Feds aren't going to challenge CO and WA, so why wouldn't they? They'll use it to GOTV just like Rove did with gay marriage in the 2004 election. That's what I'd do at least. Should be interesting.
 
2013-09-16 03:24:41 PM
Obama to tout the economy?  If "tout" now means fark the living shiate out of, then maybe.
 
2013-09-16 03:26:23 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Less than zero


Only because what the Republicans want is "the opposite of whatever Obama offers".
 
2013-09-16 03:26:35 PM

Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.


I am curious what they will do when they fail.

Will they take credit for it eight years form now, or will they simply line and claim that they succeeded in overturning Obamacare, knowing that their base won't recognize the actual ACA's benefits for what they are?
 
2013-09-16 03:26:43 PM

Aristocles: eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-16 03:27:35 PM

Kittypie070: So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored


The GOP is already anti-Chevy. Remember "Government Motors"? "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" (remember - the reason all those words are capitalized is because that's the TITLE of the op-ed)?
 
2013-09-16 03:28:44 PM
The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.
 
2013-09-16 03:29:09 PM

max_pooper: Who is Bob?


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-16 03:31:29 PM

Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?


Aw yes. I know of Bob. What the hell does have to do with debt ceiling negotiations?
 
2013-09-16 03:31:31 PM

Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?

[images.sodahead.com image 300x300]


Is that a still from the Soundgarden video?
 
2013-09-16 03:32:20 PM
eraser8: What is it you think Republicans want?

The same question was asked of Republicans before by these guys.

1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-09-16 03:33:04 PM

max_pooper: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

What republicans want is predicated on being against whatever Obama proposes. Obama cannot propose a compromise that includes things Republicans want because what Republicans want is opposite of anything Obama proposes.

It's called the Republicans-Act-Like-Petulant-Children Paradox.


Huh.  I'd pay to watch Obama propose defunding Obamacare....just to watch Teabaggers go nuts insisting it be fully funded.
 
2013-09-16 03:33:39 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


The question of whether the parties got what they wanted was decided during passage of the continuing resolution and has nothing to do with the debt limit.  The most recent continuing resolution (HR-133) passed with 199 Republican votes in the House.  So, I would argue that since a majority of House Republicans have already approved of the spending, that they should likewise approve of the borrowing necessary to execute that spending.
 
2013-09-16 03:33:51 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.


Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.
 
2013-09-16 03:34:36 PM

ikanreed: Look, we should just let them crash the economy.  The long term costs of continuing to elect republicans are lower than letting people see the consequences of that action.


You have a point.  A terrible price to pay for the good of mankind.
 
2013-09-16 03:35:15 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


Aren't you ever bothered by the fact that you're a liar and a coward?
 
2013-09-16 03:37:02 PM

Headso: Mi-5: I'm curious to know what you mean, other than "end government waste"

He means whatever will get him the most responses from farkers.


This.
 
2013-09-16 03:38:12 PM

Aristocles: Dr Dreidel: max_pooper: Who is Bob?

[images.sodahead.com image 300x300]

Is that a still from the Soundgarden video?


I think it's from an old commercial for "indicator pills" (if you actually buy them it indicates that you are stupid or desperate...or both)
 
2013-09-16 03:38:33 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:31 PM
If the Republicans can't get their act together to pass a budget and to fund the government they are incompetent to perform their jobs and should be replaced. The largest economy in the world is being mishandled by a bunch of irresponsible fanatics. Anywhere outside of the congress this would be grounds for immediate termination and, possibly, criminal prosecution.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:36 PM

Chariset: You're blah, Mr. President.  That makes everything you do the work of the Devil and everything the other side does okay.


Wait until the 2016.

If a Republican wins, it will be the dawning of a new golden age for America.

If a Democrat wins, it will be confirmation of the continuation of 1000 years of darkness because the new Democratic President is obviously the libbiest lib that ever dared lib, but at least Obama wasn't that bad, and that while mediocre in general, tried to make up for his obvious failings.
 
2013-09-16 03:41:55 PM

vpb: sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.

Yes, then they seceded from the Democratic party and took over the Republican party when the Democrats passed the civil rights bill.


It was interesting phrasing, but that was a perfect example of "give us what we want or we'll literally blow up the country."  By that point the Southern Democrats were pretty much acting as a separate party.
 
2013-09-16 03:43:17 PM

max_pooper: Who is Bob?


You know.  He's the guy who took a belt, took a belt and hung himself, hung himself in the doorway of the apartment where he lived.
 
2013-09-16 03:44:04 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.


I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:07 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.

I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.


Uh no it isn't. Please find another lie to troll with.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:36 PM
Republicans give a rat's f*ck about America only when they're in charge.  and they don't really care about it then either. America is their casino and they love to gamble with other people's money.


they do care about the dollars, though.
 
2013-09-16 03:46:39 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


Well, seeing as how anything that's been offered to them hasn't met their exact temper tantrum driven list of DEMANDS, I'mma go with exactly a big ole zero, zip, zilch, nada, goose egg, hamster wheel there big buddy.

But you knew that.

Silly troll.  Facts are for grown ups.
 
2013-09-16 03:47:05 PM

Aristocles: Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.


The deficit has been and is continuing to be reduced without a single budget being passed through the whole Congress and signed by the President. Government spending is not out of control.
 
2013-09-16 03:47:08 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.

I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.


I don't see a bottom line with a zero on it. Please show your math.
 
2013-09-16 03:47:31 PM
Remember folks.

Estimated 1 trillion over ten years helping people in our own country afford insurance is bad (Obamacare).

Estimated 6 trillion over ten years bombing the sand dunes into smaller sand dunes (military budget over ten years assuming spending levels stay the same), a prudent expenditure of money.
 
2013-09-16 03:49:48 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


They've been very open and honest about it for awhile now:
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. "
-Mitch McConnell
 
2013-09-16 03:52:48 PM

Empty Matchbook: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

They've been very open and honest about it for awhile now:
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. "
-Mitch McConnell


At least the people of Kentucky have a chance to punish him for his failure in 2014.

//He'll win though, dammit.
 
2013-09-16 03:56:14 PM
That $6.2T is bullsh*t.

Sessions asked the GAO to model a scenario in which all ACA's cost control mechanisms are phased out while maintaining the rest of the law.

Surprise, that would increase the deficit. The law, as it is written, would reduce it.
 
2013-09-16 03:57:04 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: eraser8: Aristocles: No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I'd like to see your math on that.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

It depends on how much BOB wants to raise the limit, but Obamacare is estimated to cost several trillions of dollars.

Who is Bob?


31.media.tumblr.com
/hot
//what's he's got to do with politics, I don't know
 
2013-09-16 03:57:12 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


I think the last time it was 98%.  So, pretty damned close to 100%.  WTF is the GOP's problem?
 
2013-09-16 03:59:53 PM

sugardave: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

I think the last time it was 98%.  So, pretty damned close to 100%.  WTF is the GOP's problem?


the thing that kinda gets lost in the 98 percent thing is that people assume it was 98 percent of what the GOP wanted in an effort to avoid the sequester....when in reatlity, the sequester was among the 98 percent of what they wanted out of the situation to begin with. boehner was shopping it as a desirable outcome before the negotiations even began.

when you have people slobbering at the idea of default or shutdown, negotiations to avoid that result are kinda outta whack to begin with. the desired end result is calamity, not getting what they want in an effort to avoid it.
 
2013-09-16 04:00:04 PM

cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.


The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.
 
2013-09-16 04:01:55 PM

MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.


Yes, because Congress is in the habit of appropriating money that isn't allocated for a specific activity.
 
2013-09-16 04:02:28 PM

MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.


desertpeace.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-16 04:13:59 PM

Empty Matchbook: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

They've been very open and honest about it for awhile now:
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. "
-Mitch McConnell


They better work on increasing science funding then...to get a working time machine in order to make that happen.
 
2013-09-16 04:14:36 PM

eraser8: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Aren't you ever bothered by the fact that you're a liar and a coward?


That would insinuate that he feels an emotion called "shame".
 
2013-09-16 04:23:15 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: max_pooper: Who is Bob?

You know.  He's the guy who took a belt, took a belt and hung himself, hung himself in the doorway of the apartment where he lived.


I love you more than an Iowan Gal loves Sarah Palin.

// Welcome to This World of my favorites list
 
2013-09-16 04:26:44 PM

IlGreven: NFA: The Republican party has become a group of economic terrorists who are attempting to hold our financial health hostage unless they can subvert what remains of the public wealth over to the richest components of society.

They need to be treated as such.

There have been cases where Republican senators have advocated collapsing the economy to get a re-write of the US constitution and it's waved off as crazy GOP talk.  At what point do we begin to treat them as a national threat?

Hey, if you want a Second Civil War, by all means try and actually remove these guys from office by force.


They used to want to secede. I miss those days..
 
2013-09-16 04:34:06 PM

sugardave: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

I think the last time it was 98%.  So, pretty damned close to 100%.   WTF is the GOP's problem?


I'm going to go with mental illness, with a side of evil. They probably just need our help. Maybe we could set up some camps where they could go to learn how to be productive members of society.
 
2013-09-16 04:34:36 PM

sugardave: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

I think the last time it was 98%.  So, pretty damned close to 100%.  WTF is the GOP's problem?


Are you really surprised to fight out that the GOP is willing to destroy the country for the 2%?
 
2013-09-16 04:37:30 PM

MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.


You're wrong.  The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 confirms that the President must spend as Congress directs.  He cannot spend less without proposing a specific recission and having that approved by Congress.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:56 PM

Evil High Priest: Maybe we could set up some camps where they could go to learn how to be productive members of society.


I see now how you became a High Priest. Do you have a newsletter?
 
2013-09-16 04:40:14 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Pinner: When the next election rolls around will the GOP become the misogynist party while bashing Hillary?
It only adds to the current racist label. How much longer can they last?

Nah, they'll run some clown-shoes candidates in the primary for 2016 that happen to be non-white and/or female as "proof" that big-tent Republicanism is still a real goal for the party. Then they'll put up another white guy when they remember their voting base consists primarily of white guys.


No, it is going to be the runner up from the last primary. Which if I recall right was Santorum!
Which should be epic as fark. I hope it comes to pass, just for the lulz. If he actually gets elected then  it would be even lulzier.
 
2013-09-16 04:40:25 PM
The President is getting closer and closer to saying what we all know is true:

"You're doing this because I'm black, right?"
 
2013-09-16 04:40:37 PM
President Obama:"I cannot remember a time when one party promises economic chaos if it can't get 100% of what it wants."

Well then maybe you should reconsider your, "Send me a bill that funds all of government except Obamacare and I'll veto it and shut down DC" stance.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-16 04:42:48 PM

jjorsett: President Obama:"I cannot remember a time when one party promises economic chaos if it can't get 100% of what it wants."

Well then maybe you should reconsider your, "Send me a bill that funds all of government except Obamacare and I'll veto it and shut down DC" stance.

[i40.tinypic.com image 447x234]


So you're admitting that 100% of what the GOP wants at this point is to shut down ObamaCare, even to the point of forcing a government shutdown over it?
 
2013-09-16 04:43:12 PM
Republicans just need to accept that we can't have both tax cuts and balanced budgets, the math just doesn't add up.

The lost decade that followed the Bush tax cuts proved that once and for all.
 
2013-09-16 04:44:55 PM

MyRandomName: The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.


What?  You can't be serious?  This must be a troll response.
 
2013-09-16 04:46:28 PM

odinsposse: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Actually they are pretty clear about it this time. Last time their demands were some pretty incoherent ramblings about balanced budget amendments and the unworkable Ryan Budget plan. This time it's "Defund the ACA." It's true you can't meet them halfway by, say, reducing funding for the ACA but at least this time it's an actual coherent demand.


Actually they have moved from don't fund the ACA to delay the starting date of the ACA to next year.

/Can't defund something that is not yet funded.
 
2013-09-16 04:47:42 PM

Stile4aly: MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.

You're wrong.  The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 confirms that the President must spend as Congress directs.  He cannot spend less without proposing a specific recission and having that approved by Congress.


Technically incorrect. The Impoundment Control Act mostly governs budgetary authority; the President may not say "I choose not to have NASA this year", but he may over the course of the year spend less than the exact amount budgeted for a line item. If, say, there's a line item to perform some service and the service is billed cost plus and comes in under budget, the dollars may be reappropriated to a similar color of money project or simply go unspent.

It's nowhere near enough to make a dent in the budget, but...
 
2013-09-16 04:48:20 PM

udhq: Republicans just need to accept that we can't have both tax cuts and balanced budgets, the math just doesn't add up.

The lost decade that followed the Bush tax cuts proved that once and for all.


But Reagan proved that deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House)!
 
2013-09-16 04:48:25 PM
I do not think its fair that Obama is not wanting to delay Obamacare. If the country shuts down and goes into default, we will have no Obamacare to deal with. Lets not forget Obama wanted to raise taxes. In the end, the Bush era tax cuts have continued for all Americans.

Seriously, fark poor people in this country for our problems of having no healthcare and demanding high wages. Poor people should just emigrate to China, Canada, or Europe in ships or trains.
 
2013-09-16 04:48:44 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.


imageshack.us
 
2013-09-16 04:49:31 PM

Slaves2Darkness: odinsposse: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Actually they are pretty clear about it this time. Last time their demands were some pretty incoherent ramblings about balanced budget amendments and the unworkable Ryan Budget plan. This time it's "Defund the ACA." It's true you can't meet them halfway by, say, reducing funding for the ACA but at least this time it's an actual coherent demand.

Actually they have moved from don't fund the ACA to delay the starting date of the ACA to next year.

/Can't defund something that is not yet funded.


Except that it is funded.  The funds for the ACA are appropriated as part of the bill itself, not as part of the annual budget process.  That's why the shutdown threat is doubly ridiculous; even if they succeed, they won't stop Obamacare.
 
2013-09-16 04:50:55 PM

udhq: Republicans just need to accept that we can't have both tax cuts and balanced budgets, the math just doesn't add up.

The lost decade that followed the Bush tax cuts proved that once and for all.


You wish. Math didn't convince them -- when makes you think empirical evidence will?
 
2013-09-16 04:53:36 PM

Mister Buttons: ManateeGag: you know who else had early onset Alzheimer's?

/seriously, do you know?
//I forgot.

[i.imgur.com image 400x339]


this is more appropriate

www.polderdash.com
 
2013-09-16 05:01:13 PM

sprawl15: Stile4aly: MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.

You're wrong.  The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 confirms that the President must spend as Congress directs.  He cannot spend less without proposing a specific recission and having that approved by Congress.

Technically incorrect. The Impoundment Control Act mostly governs budgetary authority; the President may not say "I choose not to have NASA this year", but he may over the course of the year spend less than the exact amount budgeted for a line item. If, say, there's a line item to perform some service and the service is billed cost plus and comes in under budget, the dollars may be reappropriated to a similar color of money project or simply go unspent.

It's nowhere near enough to make a dent in the budget, but...


There's a difference between an item coming in under budget and refusing to spend what is allocated, which is what MRN is suggesting.
 
2013-09-16 05:04:17 PM

heap: sugardave: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

I think the last time it was 98%.  So, pretty damned close to 100%.  WTF is the GOP's problem?

the thing that kinda gets lost in the 98 percent thing is that people assume it was 98 percent of what the GOP wanted in an effort to avoid the sequester....when in reatlity, the sequester was among the 98 percent of what they wanted out of the situation to begin with. boehner was shopping it as a desirable outcome before the negotiations even began.

when you have people slobbering at the idea of default or shutdown, negotiations to avoid that result are kinda outta whack to begin with. the desired end result is calamity, not getting what they want in an effort to avoid it.


An analogy to further this point:
Democrats want to go to see a movie while Republican want to lock themselves in the basement after kidnapping, murdering, raping, then eating the neighbors kid.  However, the Republicans are willing to compromise with only molesting the kids while watching Hannity in the living room then letting the kid go.
 
2013-09-16 05:05:34 PM

heap: sprawl15:
I heard Mitt Romney doesn't have anything planned for the near future.

could be some lucrative options in being a Bruce Campbell impersonator.


You know Republicans ... buncha biatchy little girls.

/I already miss "Burn Notice."
 
2013-09-16 05:05:59 PM

Stile4aly: sprawl15: Stile4aly: MyRandomName: cefm: The President doesn't pass laws - the Congress does.  The President runs the agencies that carry out the appropriations authorized by Congress.  It is illegal for the President to tell his agencies not to spend money they are required by law to spend.  It is therefore illegal for the President not to tell the head of the Treasury to issue bonds as needed to pay for over-spending by Congress.  The "debt-ceiling" is bullshiat, and no sane person would see it any other way.  It's up to Congress to pass a budget that works and be happy with it.  It's not up to Congress to pass a budget that requires spending X and then not let the President actually spend X.

The president does not have to spend 100% of appropriations. That is where your logic fails. He has never had to do that. Ever. He has to perform the duties that money is allocated to, but not spend it all.

You're wrong.  The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 confirms that the President must spend as Congress directs.  He cannot spend less without proposing a specific recission and having that approved by Congress.

Technically incorrect. The Impoundment Control Act mostly governs budgetary authority; the President may not say "I choose not to have NASA this year", but he may over the course of the year spend less than the exact amount budgeted for a line item. If, say, there's a line item to perform some service and the service is billed cost plus and comes in under budget, the dollars may be reappropriated to a similar color of money project or simply go unspent.

It's nowhere near enough to make a dent in the budget, but...

There's a difference between an item coming in under budget and refusing to spend what is allocated, which is what MRN is suggesting.


Even then, oftentimes the budget is over the estimate of what something will cost. Funding for fixed price contracts are budgeted before negotiations begin. Though again, I am basically saying 100% is not technically correct and that 99.97% would be more accurate.
 
2013-09-16 05:06:07 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


That is why Obama has never really negotiated with the Republicans. Sure he's offered up lots of things. But the very instance that words leave Obama's mouth, whatever he's offered has become disgusting, an insult really, There have even been times when the mere rumor that Obama is about to offer something is enough to make the offer dead to Republicans.
 
2013-09-16 05:06:12 PM
And by "getting 100% of what it wants" he means if they don't take 100% of the bullshiat I'm selling.

Rino's have caved on 99%.
 
2013-09-16 05:07:21 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not up for negotiation.
 
2013-09-16 05:08:28 PM

eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?


Impeach!
 
2013-09-16 05:10:07 PM

Zeno-25: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not up for negotiation.


Oh But it is.

www.wwrl1600.com
 
2013-09-16 05:11:35 PM

OnlyM3: And by "getting 100% of what it wants" he means if they don't take 100% of the bullshiat I'm selling.

Rino's have caved on 99%.


Yeah, we all remember Boehner saying, "I got 1% of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy."
 
2013-09-16 05:12:19 PM

Heliovdrake: Zeno-25: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not up for negotiation.

Oh But it is.

[www.wwrl1600.com image 640x477]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-16 05:12:59 PM

ZoeNekros: OnlyM3: And by "getting 100% of what it wants" he means if they don't take 100% of the bullshiat I'm selling.

Rino's have caved on 99%.

Yeah, we all remember Boehner saying, "I got 1% of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy."


imageshack.us
 
2013-09-16 05:21:57 PM

LarryDan43: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Impeach!


Why do they want to cosplay as Princess Toadstool?
 
2013-09-16 05:26:42 PM

Funk Brothers: I do not think its fair that Obama is not wanting to delay Obamacare. If the country shuts down and goes into default, we will have no Obamacare to deal with. Lets not forget Obama wanted to raise taxes. In the end, the Bush era tax cuts have continued for all Americans.

Seriously, fark poor people in this country for our problems of having no healthcare and demanding high wages. Poor people should just emigrate to China, Canada, or Europe in ships or trains.


No they should just cook meth. If our government would pay for comprehensive universal health care Walter White would never have had to turn to crime.
 
2013-09-16 05:27:33 PM
images.politico.com
 
2013-09-16 05:39:27 PM

OnlyM3: And by "getting 100% of what it wants" he means if they don't take 100% of the bullshiat I'm selling.

Rino's have caved on 99%.


when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.
 
2013-09-16 05:49:43 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: udhq: Republicans just need to accept that we can't have both tax cuts and balanced budgets, the math just doesn't add up.

The lost decade that followed the Bush tax cuts proved that once and for all.

But Reagan proved that deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House)!


Sadly I have had debates with people who ahve used that argument.  One even claimed that Reagans deficits helped win the Cold War.
 
2013-09-16 05:57:49 PM

Flappyhead: LouDobbsAwaaaay: udhq: Republicans just need to accept that we can't have both tax cuts and balanced budgets, the math just doesn't add up.

The lost decade that followed the Bush tax cuts proved that once and for all.

But Reagan proved that deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House)!

Sadly I have had debates with people who ahve used that argument.  One even claimed that Reagans deficits helped win the Cold War.


I used to work with a guy who insisted the US debt did not go up under Reagan. I shiat you not.
 
2013-09-16 05:58:57 PM
Seriously, this Dems vs Repubs crap is beyond being sick of hearing about.

Every one of you should have been supporting Obama the past 5 years while pointing out what total obstructionist whackjobs the far right is in this country.

No exceptions. But no, hurr durrr MUH FREEDOMS both parties the same/bad/ineffective.

Shiat gets really really old.
 
2013-09-16 06:01:04 PM

FlashHarry: when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.


your consistency in saying the stupidest things in any given thread is impressive
 
2013-09-16 06:03:09 PM

the_dude_abides: FlashHarry: when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.

your consistency in saying the stupidest things in any given thread is impressive


Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.
 
2013-09-16 06:07:48 PM

the_dude_abides: FlashHarry: when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.

your consistency in saying the stupidest things in any given thread is impressive


When you can't get your agenda passed through legislative means and therefore threaten the full faith and credit of the US to do it, you are extorting. I guess you prefer extortion and bribery to economic terrorist? Fine. You are still a criminal.
 
2013-09-16 06:09:55 PM

sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.


i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.
 
2013-09-16 06:11:39 PM
hyperbolic nonsense
 
2013-09-16 06:12:13 PM

the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.


Oh, he identified it alright. It was wasn't in FlashHarry's post.
 
2013-09-16 06:12:14 PM

the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.


So, neither of those things, then.  So, you agree that the GOP are, in fact, trying to destroy the economy and we shouldn't negotiate with them.  Finally!
 
2013-09-16 06:12:59 PM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


No, they don't. If Obama is for it, the GOP is against it. They are a bunch of whiny little brats that can't get their way.

Let's break it down: -The ACA was a Republican idea, but now they are against it because Obama is for it
-Taxes are at the lowest in a very long time. If you don't think so, look at what you pay now and what you paid in the past.
-If the GOP was serious about government waste, you can cut out a lot of the budget for defense. There are quite a few tanks and planes that were built that the military directly said they do not need.
- Please explain fraud and abuse. The *only* voter registration fraud was done by Republicans. Food Stamps don't count
-  Obama deported more illegals than Bush did in his entire term.
- Not sure how Obama is restricting freedom. I seem to recall the only ones wanting to remove freedoms are the Republicans.
 
2013-09-16 06:13:35 PM

theknuckler_33: the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.

Oh, he identified it alright. It wasjust wasn't in FlashHarry's post.


FTFM

/le sigh
 
2013-09-16 06:14:27 PM
theknuckler_33: Oh, he identified it alright. It was wasn't in FlashHarry's post.

are you was wasn't sure about that?
 
2013-09-16 06:14:33 PM

the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.


Do you support the notion of threatening to wreck the US economy ? or do you think that is not a thing that happened?
 
2013-09-16 06:17:59 PM
Sad seeing all y'all dash your collective heads against the rocks like this. Are you hoping it will suddenly stop being all troll-y and actually communicate? Not gonna happen.
 
2013-09-16 06:20:36 PM

Tigger: the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.

Do you support the notion of threatening to wreck the US economy ? or do you think that is not a thing that happened?


My guess? Defunding Obamacare will result in so many benefits that it will more than offset the tanking of the US economy.
 
2013-09-16 06:20:54 PM

Evil High Priest: Sad seeing all y'all dash your collective heads against the rocks like this. Are you hoping it will suddenly stop being all troll-y and actually communicate? Not gonna happen.


terrorists gonna terrorize
 
2013-09-16 06:24:27 PM

theknuckler_33: Tigger: the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.

Do you support the notion of threatening to wreck the US economy ? or do you think that is not a thing that happened?

My guess? Defunding Obamacare will result in so many benefits that it will more than offset the tanking of the US economy.


I would love to ask all those who are for defunding the ACA what exactly they would offer as an alternative. Please give us an exact plan and an exact cost analysis. Since this whole deal is to punish the United States for voting for the black guy, I know for a fact they can't come up with anything.
 
2013-09-16 06:26:50 PM

pornopose: I cant wait for the 2014 republican beatdown. Obamacare will be working


Seeing as how earlier this year, most of the provisions of Obamacare were delayed until 2015, I'd say Obamacare will work just as intended - Pass it within the first congressional session, let it sit for 6 years and then a year before leaving office, implement it so you cant be blamed for it.

FlashHarry: when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met,


Wait, I thought the sequester cuts were supposed to destroy the economy and send the country into flames.....you mean to tell me that didn't happen?

Zeppelininthesky: -Taxes are at the lowest in a very long time


Income taxes have remained steady.  They've risen for top earners.  The payroll tax expired which hit all Americans.  There's also a shiat-ton of medical taxes put into place to fund obamacare.

Just because there's the federal income tax set at a certain rate doesn't mean that taxes remain steady and with how taxing and the price system works, the person on which the tax is levied is rarely the one who pays it.
 
2013-09-16 06:33:16 PM
I've been hearing the country is broke since Carter was in the big chair.  Then Ronnie came along and spent like there was no tomorrow and I really haven't listened to anyone telling me we're broke since.

But sure, panic if you feel the need.
 
2013-09-16 06:35:13 PM

Zeppelininthesky: theknuckler_33: Tigger: the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.

Do you support the notion of threatening to wreck the US economy ? or do you think that is not a thing that happened?

My guess? Defunding Obamacare will result in so many benefits that it will more than offset the tanking of the US economy.

I would love to ask all those who are for defunding the ACA what exactly they would offer as an alternative. Please give us an exact plan and an exact cost analysis. Since this whole deal is to punish the United States for voting for the black guy, I know for a fact they can't come up with anything.


You know exactly what the response will be. Cross-state shopping for insurance and tort reform.

Oh, and tax cuts.

/cost analysis? HERITAGE FOUNDATION!
//What? Heritage Foundation came up with Obamacare?
///Not the DeMint Heritage Foundation!!!!
 
2013-09-16 06:40:25 PM

Soup4Bonnie: I've been hearing the country is broke since Carter was in the big chair.  Then Ronnie came along and spent like there was no tomorrow and I really haven't listened to anyone telling me we're broke since.

But sure, panic if you feel the need.


Not to mention Bush spending for 2 wars and Medicare Part B.
 
2013-09-16 06:40:36 PM

Soup4Bonnie: I've been hearing the country is broke since Carter was in the big chair.  Then Ronnie came along and spent like there was no tomorrow and I really haven't listened to anyone telling me we're broke since.

But sure, panic if you feel the need.


We're broke when Dems are in the WH. When a Repub is in the WH, the threats to our freedoms require increased spending to defend.

/stoopid lib
 
2013-09-16 06:44:42 PM

the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.


We're all pretty sure it's you.
 
2013-09-16 06:46:56 PM

o5iiawah: pornopose: I cant wait for the 2014 republican beatdown. Obamacare will be working

Seeing as how earlier this year, most of the provisions of Obamacare were delayed until 2015


derp
 
2013-09-16 06:51:06 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: FlyingLizardOfDoom: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Less than zero

What percentage of what the Republicans "want" is based on what they know Obama doesn't want?


Eleventyone
 
2013-09-16 06:54:11 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: AdmirableSnackbar: FlyingLizardOfDoom: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Less than zero

What percentage of what the Republicans "want" is based on what they know Obama doesn't want?

Eleventyone


You misspelled 'Eleventypotatoe'.
 
2013-09-16 06:55:57 PM

NeverDrunk23: LarryDan43: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Impeach!

Why do they want to cosplay as Princess Toadstool?


I don't know. Why WOULD the idea of being victim to a comically evil caricature while being saved by a man appeal to Republicans? It's not like that's the 80s in a nutshell.
 
2013-09-16 07:07:11 PM

Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.


or will harry reid block the jobs bill and the jobs bill?

i guess the democrats can't block the civil rights act - that the republicans introduced.

so when the basement living libs say that the party of "no" are the republicans - they might want to study their history.
 
2013-09-16 07:15:26 PM
Come on Barry, just vote present.

It's worked in the past.
 
2013-09-16 07:21:24 PM

MBrady: Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.

or will harry reid block the jobs bill and the jobs bill?

i guess the democrats can't block the civil rights act - that the republicans introduced.

so when the basement living libs say that the party of "no" are the republicans - they might want to study their history.


That's precious.
 
2013-09-16 07:22:02 PM

MBrady: Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.

or will harry reid block the jobs bill and the jobs bill?

i guess the democrats can't block the civil rights act - that the republicans introduced.

so when the basement living libs say that the party of "no" are the republicans - they might want to study their history.


You have a strange way of "studying" history if you come away with that conclusion. Your facts are correct, but you are missing ALL of the context. And that makes you look very ill informed.
 
2013-09-16 07:22:54 PM

bmongar: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things


www.powerlineblog.com
 
2013-09-16 07:25:27 PM

Kittypie070: So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored


Kittypie070, I lurves me some you...


/ in a totally non-gay and respectful way...
 
2013-09-16 07:27:24 PM

theknuckler_33: Flappyhead: LouDobbsAwaaaay:

But Reagan proved that deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House)!

Sadly I have had debates with people who ahve used that argument.  One even claimed that Reagans deficits helped win the Cold War.

I used to work with a guy who insisted the US debt did not go up under Reagan. I shiat you not.


I believe it.

theknuckler_33: o5iiawah: pornopose: I cant wait for the 2014 republican beatdown. Obamacare will be working

Seeing as how earlier this year, most of the provisions of Obamacare were delayed until 2015

derp


Don't even bother with him, he'll just wall'o'text you to death.
 
2013-09-16 07:33:42 PM

theknuckler_33: derp


so your response to a fact is "derp"
Is this the extent of your knowledge of reality?
 
2013-09-16 07:40:20 PM

Jormungandr: UrukHaiGuyz: Pinner: When the next election rolls around will the GOP become the misogynist party while bashing Hillary?
It only adds to the current racist label. How much longer can they last?

Nah, they'll run some clown-shoes candidates in the primary for 2016 that happen to be non-white and/or female as "proof" that big-tent Republicanism is still a real goal for the party. Then they'll put up another white guy when they remember their voting base consists primarily of white guys.

No, it is going to be the runner up from the last primary. Which if I recall right was Santorum!
Which should be epic as fark. I hope it comes to pass, just for the lulz. If he actually gets elected then  it would be even lulzier.


I'm not sure I like your idea of 'lulzier'.
Yeah, it's amusing to think of...but to actually LIVE with?

How about no.jpg
 
2013-09-16 07:46:42 PM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


You forgot Poland.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-09-16 07:51:59 PM

IlGreven: NFA: The Republican party has become a group of economic terrorists who are attempting to hold our financial health hostage unless they can subvert what remains of the public wealth over to the richest components of society.

They need to be treated as such.

There have been cases where Republican senators have advocated collapsing the economy to get a re-write of the US constitution and it's waved off as crazy GOP talk.  At what point do we begin to treat them as a national threat?

Hey, if you want a Second Civil War, by all means try and actually remove these guys from office by force.


If ever there was a prime case for impeachment, it was the GOP.  They have literally advocated destroying the economy for their own benefit but they walk away from it.

Every single time one of them advocates secession, collapsing the economy, rounding up liberals, throwing out the constitution and re-writing it, IMPEACH them and remove them from office.  Eventually they will get the message.
 
2013-09-16 08:00:07 PM

o5iiawah: Wait, I thought the sequester cuts were supposed to destroy the economy and send the country into flames.....you mean to tell me that didn't happen?


I hear strawmen are very flammable.  You should stop using them.
 
2013-09-16 08:02:02 PM

machodonkeywrestler: MBrady: Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.

or will harry reid block the jobs bill and the jobs bill?

i guess the democrats can't block the civil rights act - that the republicans introduced.

so when the basement living libs say that the party of "no" are the republicans - they might want to study their history.

That's precious.


I don't know what's funnier, that the GOP's signature landmark legislative achievement is so old that no one who voted for it is still in Congress, or that some idiots are still crowing about it like it's representative of the modern Republican party.
 
2013-09-16 08:23:50 PM

Zeppelininthesky: theknuckler_33: Tigger: the_dude_abides: sugardave: Which part is stupid?  The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" part or the "threaten to destroy the US economy" part?  Because, I think both of those are true statements.  You know, the liberal kind of truth.  Observable reality.

i'm shocked that you can't identify the stupid. shocked.

Do you support the notion of threatening to wreck the US economy ? or do you think that is not a thing that happened?

My guess? Defunding Obamacare will result in so many benefits that it will more than offset the tanking of the US economy.

I would love to ask all those who are for defunding the ACA what exactly they would offer as an alternative. Please give us an exact plan and an exact cost analysis. Since this whole deal is to punish the United States for voting for the black guy, I know for a fact they can't come up with anything.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-16 08:38:06 PM
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.

It is a financial venture for people who want to make an obscene amount of money through short-term exploitation, at the cost of long-term consequences they know they will not live to see.

They DO NOT believe what they say.
They DO NOT have loyalty to a party.
They DO NOT hate what you hate.

They speak and act in any way that they think you want to them to, in order to gather your support and donations, and make obscene profits, and then move on in 5 years.

This requires a complete lack of empathy, and the willingness to screw not only you, me, and everyone else; they must be perfectly happy to screw GENERATIONS of people.  You, your children, your grandchildren, and at least SEVEN generations of Americans will suffer the effects of their actions.  And they don't care.  they don't.  They really don't.  They sleep comfortably, warm, and sound.  They truly DO NOT feel bad about what they have done, and are doing.  They grin when they think how they'll be dead long before all the bad things happen to everyone, everywhere.  They are sociopaths.  They truly believe they are LIFE'S WINNERS.

After all... they got rich.
 
2013-09-16 08:38:24 PM
Oh look they brought the comment's back to foxnews.com.  Let's take a peek!

"obama how much $ did you promise Iran...after you bowed, apologized and kissed hi a_s"

"I trust Iran with nuclear weapons before I trust Barry"

"OBO seems to be willing to negotiate with anyone but conservatives... we have become sick of his speeches so it's time to bore world leaders with his two faced positions "

"Why has Barry not gotten any letters from Kenya? I guess he has disappointed them also."

"The economy is in the gutter, household income is crap, GDP record lows, high gas prices, high inflation, record deficits, the country is fractured and divided like never before, foreign relations is a train wreck, monetizing the debt like no tomorrow, cutting back on military spending, instituting a national healthcare system that nobody wants part of, Iran is obtaining nuke capabilities, still in a war that the press doesn't want to talk about, unprecedented drone strikes in sovereign nations, failed green energy policy wasting trillions, the list goes on and on and the media covers up for their phony messiah.
Wake up people....Obama is a train wreck waiting to happen!"

Oh how I missed you guys.
 
2013-09-16 08:39:05 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Oh look they brought the comment's back to foxnews.com.  Let's take a peek!

"obama how much $ did you promise Iran...after you bowed, apologized and kissed hi a_s"

"I trust Iran with nuclear weapons before I trust Barry"

"OBO seems to be willing to negotiate with anyone but conservatives... we have become sick of his speeches so it's time to bore world leaders with his two faced positions "

"Why has Barry not gotten any letters from Kenya? I guess he has disappointed them also."

"The economy is in the gutter, household income is crap, GDP record lows, high gas prices, high inflation, record deficits, the country is fractured and divided like never before, foreign relations is a train wreck, monetizing the debt like no tomorrow, cutting back on military spending, instituting a national healthcare system that nobody wants part of, Iran is obtaining nuke capabilities, still in a war that the press doesn't want to talk about, unprecedented drone strikes in sovereign nations, failed green energy policy wasting trillions, the list goes on and on and the media covers up for their phony messiah.
Wake up people....Obama is a train wreck waiting to happen!"

Oh how I missed you guys.


Ahh crap wrong thread, but whatever.
 
2013-09-16 08:48:03 PM

weltallica: THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.

It is a financial venture for people who want to make an obscene amount of money through short-term exploitation, at the cost of long-term consequences they know they will not live to see.

They DO NOT believe what they say.
They DO NOT have loyalty to a party.
They DO NOT hate what you hate.

They speak and act in any way that they think you want to them to, in order to gather your support and donations, and make obscene profits, and then move on in 5 years.

This requires a complete lack of empathy, and the willingness to screw not only you, me, and everyone else; they must be perfectly happy to screw GENERATIONS of people.  You, your children, your grandchildren, and at least SEVEN generations of Americans will suffer the effects of their actions.  And they don't care.  they don't.  They really don't.  They sleep comfortably, warm, and sound.  They truly DO NOT feel bad about what they have done, and are doing.  They grin when they think how they'll be dead long before all the bad things happen to everyone, everywhere.  They are sociopaths.  They truly believe they are LIFE'S WINNERS.

After all... they got rich.


Favorited!
 
2013-09-16 09:04:57 PM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?


Last time?  According to John Boehner, the Speaker of the House?  Well that would be about 98% of what the Republicans wanted.
 
2013-09-16 09:06:53 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Ahh crap wrong thread.


Yet strikingly appropriate.
 
2013-09-16 09:22:34 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

Last time?  According to John Boehner, the Speaker of the House?  Well that would be about 98% of what the Republicans wanted.


mercanta.se
 
2013-09-16 09:30:23 PM

bmongar: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things


You should attach links to your examples, similar to the LONG list of People Who Are Against The Republican Party, And Therefore America.

I'm only saying because this is a list that will get ridiculously long, and quickly.
 
2013-09-16 09:37:02 PM

syzygy whizz: Kittypie070: So...what happens if O'Bamster announces he's against....aw never mind I can't do it.

/Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet
//someone else do it, I'm too damn bored


Kittypie070, I lurves me some you...


/ in a totally non-gay and respectful way...


[blush] D'aww, burble.
 
2013-09-16 10:06:34 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Almost Everybody Poops: Oh look they brought the comment's back to foxnews.com.  Let's take a peek!

"obama how much $ did you promise Iran...after you bowed, apologized and kissed hi a_s"

"I trust Iran with nuclear weapons before I trust Barry"

"OBO seems to be willing to negotiate with anyone but conservatives... we have become sick of his speeches so it's time to bore world leaders with his two faced positions "

"Why has Barry not gotten any letters from Kenya? I guess he has disappointed them also."

"The economy is in the gutter, household income is crap, GDP record lows, high gas prices, high inflation, record deficits, the country is fractured and divided like never before, foreign relations is a train wreck, monetizing the debt like no tomorrow, cutting back on military spending, instituting a national healthcare system that nobody wants part of, Iran is obtaining nuke capabilities, still in a war that the press doesn't want to talk about, unprecedented drone strikes in sovereign nations, failed green energy policy wasting trillions, the list goes on and on and the media covers up for their phony messiah.
Wake up people....Obama is a train wreck waiting to happen!"

Oh how I missed you guys.

Ahh crap wrong thread, but whatever.


Are you sure?
 
2013-09-16 10:39:09 PM

bmongar: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things


Can we cross-reference that with the List of People Conspiring? Should be interesting.
 
2013-09-16 10:42:23 PM
Here's a clue for you subby:

the debt is a teensier more important the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is just a wafer thin mint by comparison. It doesn't merit its own "disaster" label.
 
2013-09-16 10:49:18 PM

Animatronik: Here's a clue for you subby:

the debt is a teensier more important the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is just a wafer thin mint by comparison. It doesn't merit its own "disaster" label.


I see what you did there
 
2013-09-16 10:52:16 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.

You mean like freedom to marry whoever you want? I haven't seen any evidence they want that freedom but that is the case fine, Obama agrees to legalize universal gay marriage and Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling. Sounds like a fair compromise.

No need, ending government waste, fraud and abuse provide the needed cash. Plus, Obamacare won't be a burthen any longer.

I see your ignorance is not limited to politcs. Math is something else you have very limited knowledge of.

Part of the whole "ending waste, fraud, and abuse" thing entails doing away with superfluous government programs, and cutting the funding to others. There's no reason we have to dig ourselves further into debt because gov't spending is out of control.

Where is the math showing this to be possible? Please provide a list of all the line items you will cut to bring the governments operating budget into the balance.

We will wait patiently as you crunch the numbers.

I've already mentioned that Obamacare is going to cost trillions to the taxpayer, so, there's that.

/Please stop being deliberately obtuse.

I don't see a bottom line with a zero on it. Please show your math.


Proof of this therum is left as an exercise for the reader.
 
2013-09-16 11:13:36 PM
I stumbled on CNBC and I was watching Kudlow talking about this speech saying that it was tacky of Obama to say something political hours after the shootings in the Navy Yard.

If I didn't know that Kudlow was a shill for Wall Street, I would've wondered if he was retarded.
 
2013-09-16 11:21:34 PM
This.... from the president never to pass a budget.  It is against the law for Congress to not have a yearly budget. Every obama proposal for a budget was made to not be passed so our leader can say 'I'm doing my part'. Our country is being ended illegaly by our government and Obama, the GOP, and Dems in Congress are responsible. After Obama submitted his fiscal year 2013 budget proposal on Feb. 13, 2012, House Republicans put it up for a floor vote. The result? 414-0 AGAINST. Fark Crapbama, fark the (D)umbocraps, and fark the (R)etards.

The latest budget proposal finally passed the Dem ctrld Senate (which didn't pass a budget the past 4 years), but the bill wasn't a compromise that anyone thought would have a snowball's chance in the House. For fark sake. Why do we vote for these clowns.
 
2013-09-16 11:34:00 PM

FlashHarry: OnlyM3: And by "getting 100% of what it wants" he means if they don't take 100% of the bullshiat I'm selling.

Rino's have caved on 99%.

when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.


GOP would have knocked down the twin towers hadn't al Qaeda beat them to it.  They make hitler look like Gandhi. They are TERRORISTS!
 
2013-09-16 11:40:46 PM

tjfly: This.... from the president never to pass a budget.  It is against the law for Congress to not have a yearly budget. Every obama proposal for a budget was made to not be passed so our leader can say 'I'm doing my part'. Our country is being ended illegaly by our government and Obama, the GOP, and Dems in Congress are responsible. After Obama submitted his fiscal year 2013 budget proposal on Feb. 13, 2012, House Republicans put it up for a floor vote. The result? 414-0 AGAINST. Fark Crapbama, fark the (D)umbocraps, and fark the (R)etards.

The latest budget proposal finally passed the Dem ctrld Senate (which didn't pass a budget the past 4 years), but the bill wasn't a compromise that anyone thought would have a snowball's chance in the House. For fark sake. Why do we vote for these clowns.


Madame, sir, baby, child, whatever....what is your point? If the Revolution sits calling to you from your porch, why then do you sit alone in front of a screen instead of raising the hell you wish to see?
 
2013-09-16 11:49:10 PM

tjfly: This.... from the president never to pass a budget.  It is against the law for Congress to not have a yearly budget. Every obama proposal for a budget was made to not be passed so our leader can say 'I'm doing my part'. Our country is being ended illegaly by our government and Obama, the GOP, and Dems in Congress are responsible. After Obama submitted his fiscal year 2013 budget proposal on Feb. 13, 2012, House Republicans put it up for a floor vote. The result? 414-0 AGAINST. Fark Crapbama, fark the (D)umbocraps, and fark the (R)etards.

The latest budget proposal finally passed the Dem ctrld Senate (which didn't pass a budget the past 4 years), but the bill wasn't a compromise that anyone thought would have a snowball's chance in the House. For fark sake. Why do we vote for these clowns.


Notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-09-17 01:14:55 AM

Aristocles: Actually, Republicans don't want much... they simply want to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, put an end to government waste, fraud, and abuse, secure the border, and promote freedom and democracy.


www.blogforarizona.com

Republicans: "Let's break the government to prove how broken it is!"
Rest of us: "Dafuq?"
Republicans:
"They hate our freedomz!"
 
2013-09-17 01:18:07 AM

tjfly: They are TERRORISTS!


Awesome, another convert!  It's refreshing when truth finally enlightens a poor, lost soul.
 
2013-09-17 01:29:35 AM

bmongar: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Gay Blowjobs in restrooms
Repeal of all amendments after 10 except the 2nd
Repeal of child labor laws.
End of Social security
End of Medicare
End of Medicaid
Corporate Liability Caps
0% Corporate tax
End of minimum wage.

a few more things


1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun.  Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!
 
2013-09-17 03:02:50 AM
Why haven't the NSA focused on the actual domestic terrorists in the US?
 
2013-09-17 03:24:36 AM

Phil Moskowitz: Why haven't the NSA focused on the actual domestic terrorists in the US?


There aren't any. Those are just misguided patriots.
 
2013-09-17 06:32:46 AM
Someday, the word "Republican" will have the same meaning and inflection in America that "Quisling" has in Norway.
 
2013-09-17 07:16:22 AM

Magruda: therum


Theorem.

And I posted a link with math but it was deleted.
 
2013-09-17 07:17:16 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: NeverDrunk23: LarryDan43: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

Impeach!

Why do they want to cosplay as Princess Toadstool?

I don't know. Why WOULD the idea of being victim to a comically evil caricature while being saved by a man appeal to Republicans? It's not like that's the 80s in a nutshell.


Not without an 80s montage set to a cheesy 80s tune.
 
2013-09-17 07:22:06 AM

Aristocles: Magruda: therum

Theorem.

And I posted a link with math but it was deleted.


Sure, blame the moderators for your ignorance.
 
2013-09-17 08:26:29 AM
Both parties (in their actions, not their words) have been promising chaos since the late 1960s. Once we decided that we would maintain the world's highest standard of living not by producing the most goods the most efficiently, but by accounting gimmicks and debt, we made today's economic mess a certainty. What's also 100% certain is that it's going to get worse. A lot worse. We'll be lucky if we're not a third-world shiathole, with every major city looking just like Detroit, when it's over.
 
2013-09-17 08:28:35 AM

MBrady: Pinner: It's almost over. The GOP only has a little while longer to try and defund the ACA.
What's next? Will they bark at Planned Parenthood again? Vaginas? Mexicans?
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

Not sure what their next move is.

or will harry reid block the jobs bill and the jobs bill?

i guess the democrats can't block the civil rights act - that the republicans introduced.

so when the basement living libs say that the party of "no" are the republicans - they might want to study their history.


Congrats:  you've proved you don't know what a Dixiecrat was.  "Study their history" indeed.
 
2013-09-17 08:41:30 AM

Animatronik: Here's a clue for you subby:

the debt is a teensier more important the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is just a wafer thin mint by comparison. It doesn't merit its own "disaster" label.


Mr. Creosote begs to differ.
 
2013-09-17 08:53:59 AM

serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?



0.tqn.com
 
2013-09-17 08:59:34 AM

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: lockers: I think he is using this more as a rhetorical device. He can't have possibly forgot they did this exact same shiat to Clinton. Does anyone remember a case before this by either party?

The Democrats seceded from the Union because the Republicans wanted to prevent slavery from spreading to new territories.

[i.imgur.com image 500x321]


Mr. Herring, I am about as surly as can be, but you fixed that right up. I need a poster of this fine art.
 
2013-09-17 09:17:38 AM
Brainsick:

Republicans: "Let's break the government to prove how broken it is!"
Rest of us: "Dafuq?"
Republicans:
"They hate our freedomz!"


Oppose raising the debt ceiling?  Not my Obama.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

Biden?  Nay.  Reed?  Nay. Boxer? Nay. Clinton? Nay. Feinstein? Nay.  Durbin? Nay.    ... etc.

I know.  It's different when we do it.
 
2013-09-17 09:37:44 AM

max_pooper: Aristocles: Magruda: therum

Theorem.

And I posted a link with math but it was deleted.

Sure, blame the moderators for your ignorance.


Yeah? Well that o was eliminated when I took the 2nd derivative.
 
2013-09-17 10:26:53 AM

the_dude_abides: FlashHarry: when you threaten to destroy the US economy if your political demands aren't met, you are a terrorist. we do not negotiate with terrorists, be they al qaeda or GOP. so your point is moot.

your consistency in saying the stupidest things in any given thread is impressive


what did i say that was "stupid?" go ahead; i'll wait.
 
2013-09-17 11:35:32 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: I know. It's different when we do it.


The Democrats didn't raise the debt ceiling when they had a majority in Congress?  Tell me more...
 
2013-09-17 12:56:16 PM

Aristocles: Magruda: therum

Theorem.

And I posted a link with math but it was deleted.


Umm, my reply to your comment was deleted too. There was no legit math in your post. Do you have no shame or do you just enjoy lying.
 
2013-09-17 07:49:44 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: Empty Matchbook: eraser8: serial_crusher: What percentage of what the Republicans want has Obama offered them?

That depends.  What is it you think Republicans want?

They've been very open and honest about it for awhile now:
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. "
-Mitch McConnell

They better work on increasing science funding then...to get a working time machine in order to make that happen.


This was said during his first term, to be fair. It just shows that, for the last several years, they've had exactly one thing on their mind. And now that they've failed, abjectly, at that, it's time to burn the whole thing down. FOR AMERICA!!
 
2013-09-17 09:29:14 PM
I think Mr President is getting the ol' thousand yard stare in his bad moments.

/someone get that man a beej before he mercy nukes us
 
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