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(The Newspaper)   "I asked him if he had a permit to protest the red light cameras, and he said no"   ( thenewspaper.com) divider line
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2013-09-16 02:47:50 PM  
12 votes:
"designated free speech zone"

Most offensive part of the story.
2013-09-16 02:59:17 PM  
7 votes:
FTFA: "Schmidter was jailed for handing out flyers on the courthouse steps outside of a designated free speech zone."

What a "Free Speech Zone" might look like:

www.horseshoesonline.com
2013-09-16 01:27:25 PM  
6 votes:
Permit?  Doesn't the First Amendment cover that?  The right to peacefully assemble?  I know that stuff is never as simple as it seems, though.
2013-09-16 01:12:19 PM  
6 votes:
Since when does a single person need a permit to protest?
2013-09-16 02:59:21 PM  
4 votes:

abfalter: I wish I had the time to dedicate my life to being a complete jackass pain in the ass for some petty cause.

Unfortunately, I already HAVE a life... I'm too busy being a douche on Fark


Fixed to reflect reality.
2013-09-16 02:55:36 PM  
4 votes:

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


abfalter: I wish I had the time to dedicate my life to being a complete jackass pain in the ass for some petty cause.

Unfortunately, I already HAVE a life...


That's not how free speech works.  If you can mandate who can have it based on how much of a pain in the ass they are, then we've already lost the Right.
2013-09-16 02:54:49 PM  
4 votes:
Kudos to this guy for actually doing something about it.  I'm guessing he has a better chance of success than all the angry internet message board comments put together.
2013-09-16 03:28:52 PM  
3 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "designated free speech zone"

Most offensive part of the story.


There aren't words in any language I'm fluent in sufficient to convey my hatred and disgust of that practice.
2013-09-16 03:11:15 PM  
3 votes:
Selective enforcement at best, knowingly trying to suppress free speech much more likely. When these private stoplight camera companies approach city councils and commissioners, they KNOW they would NEVER get approval if the matter was left up to voters. Instead their tactic has always been to bribe and schmooze local politicians with the promise of yet another stream of revenues to separate citizens from their money.  This is EXACTLY the kind of shiat that these politicians HATE. Informing the public that they can make the cameras go away is REALLY frowned upon. Most all voters are lazy and unwilling to get involved. When somebody is willing to put out the effort and fight city hall, don't expect city hall to just roll over. I fought a law in Destin Florida that would have placed Waste Management Garbage services on the municipal tax rolls by means of an ad valorem tax. I had to go door to door to collect signatures and get the matter placed on the ballot. Waste Management hired a county commissioner as their 'political liaison' for a salary of over $100K per year to attempt this same tactic in several local cities. They also invited city council members and their families to their Orlando Recycling Center. (In other words, FREE vacation to Disneyworld for a week). They also hosted huge expensive parties and luncheons where council members were given invites.  I received no help from the press and had to jump through hoops to overcome the  mountain of red tape the council placed in my way. I had to threaten subpoena to get access to emails and private meetings between city manager and Waste Management employees. Two other companies offered lower contract proposals to city, but were never even considered for garbage service. This is EXACTLY the same shiat that ALEC and Chambers of Commerce pull each and every day. Then they get Barney Fife to arrest the people working to make a difference to changing the status quo. Sitting around protesting does nothing to elicit change. Getting off your ass and keeping these politicians in check is what foils their evil rat-bastard schemes. I won on the tax matter. I can also assure you I intend to make sure council looks at all proposals for waste collection instead of awarding no-bid contracts to Waste Management once their 5 year contract expires in 4 more years as well.
2013-09-16 02:43:48 PM  
3 votes:
"It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too. We don't raise money, we let people know about the red light cameras."

Where's the farking hero tag?
2013-09-16 03:36:13 PM  
2 votes:

patrick767: How the flying fark can a public courthouse legally have a "designated free speech zone"?


A courthouse might be the only place where that makes sense.  Signs and whatnot within X feet of a trial might be considered to be interfering with the trial.  I'm thinking that it might be similar to electioneering laws that prohibit political signs and speeches within 100 M of a polling station.

None of this applies to an intersection, however.  This is simply a case of cop outrage.
2013-09-16 03:25:14 PM  
2 votes:

rjakobi: Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


You know who else were attention whores?

wsmith769.edublogs.org

0.static.wix.com

www.history.com

/last guy blogged about it
2013-09-16 03:12:06 PM  
2 votes:

Dahnkster: Selective enforcement at best, knowingly trying to suppress free speech much more likely. When these private stoplight camera companies approach city councils and commissioners, they KNOW they would NEVER get approval if the matter was left up to voters. Instead their tactic has always been to bribe and schmooze local politicians with the promise of yet another stream of revenues to separate citizens from their money.  This is EXACTLY the kind of shiat that these politicians HATE. Informing the public that they can make the cameras go away is REALLY frowned upon. Most all voters are lazy and unwilling to get involved. When somebody is willing to put out the effort and fight city hall, don't expect city hall to just roll over. I fought a law in Destin Florida that would have placed Waste Management Garbage services on the municipal tax rolls by means of an ad valorem tax. I had to go door to door to collect signatures and get the matter placed on the ballot. Waste Management hired a county commissioner as their 'political liaison' for a salary of over $100K per year to attempt this same tactic in several local cities. They also invited city council members and their families to their Orlando Recycling Center. (In other words, FREE vacation to Disneyworld for a week). They also hosted huge expensive parties and luncheons where council members were given invites.  I received no help from the press and had to jump through hoops to overcome the  mountain of red tape the council placed in my way. I had to threaten subpoena to get access to emails and private meetings between city manager and Waste Management employees. Two other companies offered lower contract proposals to city, but were never even considered for garbage service. This is EXACTLY the same shiat that ALEC and Chambers of Commerce pull each and every day. Then they get Barney Fife to arrest the people working to make a difference to changing the status quo. Sitting around protesting does nothing to elicit c ...


blogs.smithsonianmag.com
2013-09-16 03:10:06 PM  
2 votes:
This guy.

I like him.
2013-09-16 03:06:28 PM  
2 votes:

netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.


The bigger issue is $$.  If he is successful, the City will need to find new ways to extort increase tax revenues.
2013-09-16 02:05:17 PM  
2 votes:

netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.


I don't know what the deal is where he lives, but here in New Orleans homeless panhandlers and fundraisers (often children) do this all the time unmolested. It bugs the fark out of me, especially the kids, for obvious reasons.

But anyway, if this guy is correct that he was selectively targeted, its time for the city to sack up and pay the man.
2013-09-16 01:45:27 PM  
2 votes:
"It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too.

Yeah, I was wondering about this. If he can show panhandlers or fundraisers do the same thing in his town without being hassled, the city better break out its checkbook.
2013-09-16 01:33:12 PM  
2 votes:
He is the same guy that was arrested for speaking and handing out leaflets outside of the 'designated free speech zones' at the tot mom trial. He was convicted of that, and a state Appeals Court said Free Speech Zones are bullshiat and Judge Belvin Perry couldn't set them up.

He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.
2013-09-16 05:04:11 PM  
1 vote:

Last Man on Earth: They would actually follow people around from time to time, such as "sinfully dressed" women, yelling and insulting them all the while.  It got so bad, the school set up a "free speech zone" so they'd at least have to stay in one place.  Obviously that wasn't the issue here, but there are legitimate standards that can be used.


There are standards and it's reckless to imply there are not. Behavior like you describe is clearly undesirable, and if it is ongoing it is probably illegal. But harassment requires systematic and/or continuing actions against a specific target before the behavior becomes illegal, and that standard exists specifically to avoid the use of anti-harassament laws in prosecuting protestors.
2013-09-16 04:53:28 PM  
1 vote:

Coconice: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "designated free speech zone"

Most offensive part of the story.

So much this.

I understand that they probably have a place for people to soap box a bit that allows them to be heard without being really in peoples' way.  It is probably an OK idea, but that is the worst farking name I could imagine for that.


Wait, you agree with the statement and then said the exact opposite.  It sounds like the only issue you have is with the name?  Do you really not see how offensive it is to corral free speech into a designated area "without being really in peoples' way"?  Have you ever SEEN a so-called "free speech zone"?  It's almost always a tiny little fenced-off area way at the back of the venue or, more often, blocks away from the event.  They are so far "out of peoples' way" that their message cannot be heard at all.  The last one I encountered was on public land at a National Park.  It was a 20'x20' square made of chain-link fence and it was not visible or within earshot of any of the common areas (parking lot, restrooms, ranger station, etc.)   There was a tiny placard near the ranger station directing people to it.  It made me want to vomit.
2013-09-16 03:51:23 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?


My favorite Depression Era story that is probably fake:  Poor guy is starving and steals a rich guy's cow.  Makes it to trail.  Jury comes up with:  Not Guilty, but he has to give the cow back.

Judge calls bullshiat, and tells them they can't do that.  Jury goes back to delibs.  Jury comes up with with:  Not Guilty, and he can keep the cow.
2013-09-16 03:47:27 PM  
1 vote:
We become more and more of a police state every day.
2013-09-16 03:40:33 PM  
1 vote:

GoldSpider: I was under the impression that requiring citizens to be properly registered/licensed before they be allowed to exercise their constitutional rights was called "common sense".


Stop quoting our new hero Vladimir Putin.
2013-09-16 03:35:46 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: Unless he was breaking the law he didn'tneed a permit.

Handing out things at a red light deosn't seem to break any laws.


Little by little it's becoming unlawful to question or oppose "the powers that be".

/or "your betters" as they like to think of themselves
2013-09-16 03:19:15 PM  
1 vote:
6dilly4dally.com
...and I'll look down and whisper "No."
2013-09-16 03:06:00 PM  
1 vote:

Gig103: rjakobi: Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.

That's what was said about those uppity folks in the south that used to do peaceful sit-ins.


I used to ride in the back of the bus with black people, when that was a thing.
2013-09-16 03:05:10 PM  
1 vote:

moefuggenbrew: I do like the part where an old judge actually interrupted his own meal to walk outside and tell the officers that this guy should not be messed with and that he won't just submit to their authoratiah!


Yea, when a farking judge walks out and tells you that, you should probably listen to him.
2013-09-16 03:03:16 PM  
1 vote:
You all make jokes, but I'm glad this guy was arrested. He should have been tazed.  Clearly he was presenting a traffic hazard, not to mention trying to steal from the citizens of the county by opposing lawful traffic light cameras.

I only wish he had decided to resist arrest so he could have been shot while escaping.  Bastard.

Nah, just farking with you. The cop's a douche.
2013-09-16 02:54:51 PM  
1 vote:

gilgigamesh: "It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too.

Yeah, I was wondering about this. If he can show panhandlers or fundraisers do the same thing in his town without being hassled, the city better break out its checkbook.


I would be willing to bet that at least the Firefighters have permits for EVERYTHING.  As a group, those guys tend to be pretty plugged into local government, have friends everywhere, and have a tendency to think in terms of legality and authorizations.  When they do stuff, it's usually super-legal.

Other groups might not be, though.  And since he's lawyered up already, some quick checking might be in order.
2013-09-16 02:54:03 PM  
1 vote:

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


Or, you know, maybe he wants to inform people of their rights, as is his right. But yeah, your uninformed opinion is probably right.
2013-09-16 02:52:41 PM  
1 vote:

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


Can you be any more wrong in your observations? I suppose you think all of your elementary school teachers were attention whores as well.
2013-09-16 02:51:39 PM  
1 vote:
I can't get in trouble for linking to a Facebook fan page for the guy, can I?  Hope not.

https://www.facebook.com/WeAreMarkSchmidter

On my way to donate what I can; likely $20
2013-09-16 02:50:08 PM  
1 vote:
I don't know why you guys think this guy should just be able to hand out flyers and speak out against the government's actions.
2013-09-16 02:10:24 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?


Yep, so Perry said it was jury tampering. Mr.Schmidter and his attorney disagree. I agree with them, but the tot mom thing was a fiasco anyway.
2013-09-16 01:53:09 PM  
1 vote:
"Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.
2013-09-16 01:32:24 PM  
1 vote:
"Other protestors across the street began heckling me for making a bad arrest," Officer Campbell wrote. "This information was added to show the demeanor of the group the arrested male was with."

Oh, whaaaah.
 
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