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(The Newspaper)   "I asked him if he had a permit to protest the red light cameras, and he said no"   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 117
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2013-09-16 01:12:19 PM  
Since when does a single person need a permit to protest?
 
2013-09-16 01:27:25 PM  
Permit?  Doesn't the First Amendment cover that?  The right to peacefully assemble?  I know that stuff is never as simple as it seems, though.
 
2013-09-16 01:32:24 PM  
"Other protestors across the street began heckling me for making a bad arrest," Officer Campbell wrote. "This information was added to show the demeanor of the group the arrested male was with."

Oh, whaaaah.
 
2013-09-16 01:33:12 PM  
He is the same guy that was arrested for speaking and handing out leaflets outside of the 'designated free speech zones' at the tot mom trial. He was convicted of that, and a state Appeals Court said Free Speech Zones are bullshiat and Judge Belvin Perry couldn't set them up.

He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.
 
2013-09-16 01:45:27 PM  
"It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too.

Yeah, I was wondering about this. If he can show panhandlers or fundraisers do the same thing in his town without being hassled, the city better break out its checkbook.
 
2013-09-16 01:53:09 PM  
"Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.
 
2013-09-16 02:05:17 PM  

netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.


I don't know what the deal is where he lives, but here in New Orleans homeless panhandlers and fundraisers (often children) do this all the time unmolested. It bugs the fark out of me, especially the kids, for obvious reasons.

But anyway, if this guy is correct that he was selectively targeted, its time for the city to sack up and pay the man.
 
2013-09-16 02:07:48 PM  

feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.


Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?
 
2013-09-16 02:10:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?


Yep, so Perry said it was jury tampering. Mr.Schmidter and his attorney disagree. I agree with them, but the tot mom thing was a fiasco anyway.
 
2013-09-16 02:43:48 PM  
"It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too. We don't raise money, we let people know about the red light cameras."

Where's the farking hero tag?
 
2013-09-16 02:47:50 PM  
"designated free speech zone"

Most offensive part of the story.
 
2013-09-16 02:48:13 PM  
He must be a mooslum
 
2013-09-16 02:49:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?


Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.
 
2013-09-16 02:49:33 PM  
I wish I had the time to dedicate my life to being a complete jackass pain in the ass for some petty cause.

Unfortunately, I already HAVE a life...
 
2013-09-16 02:50:08 PM  
I don't know why you guys think this guy should just be able to hand out flyers and speak out against the government's actions.
 
2013-09-16 02:51:39 PM  
I can't get in trouble for linking to a Facebook fan page for the guy, can I?  Hope not.

https://www.facebook.com/WeAreMarkSchmidter

On my way to donate what I can; likely $20
 
2013-09-16 02:52:01 PM  

gaslight: Since when does a single person need a permit to protest?


I'm sure the ACLU is all over preparing his defense.

/hello?
 
2013-09-16 02:52:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.

I don't know what the deal is where he lives, but here in New Orleans homeless panhandlers and fundraisers (often children) do this all the time unmolested. It bugs the fark out of me, especially the kids, for obvious reasons.

But anyway, if this guy is correct that he was selectively targeted, its time for the city to sack up and pay the man.



There's a Chris Hansen joke in here somewhere.
 
2013-09-16 02:52:41 PM  

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


Can you be any more wrong in your observations? I suppose you think all of your elementary school teachers were attention whores as well.
 
2013-09-16 02:54:03 PM  

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


Or, you know, maybe he wants to inform people of their rights, as is his right. But yeah, your uninformed opinion is probably right.
 
2013-09-16 02:54:33 PM  

rjakobi: Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


That's what was said about those uppity folks in the south that used to do peaceful sit-ins.
 
2013-09-16 02:54:49 PM  
Kudos to this guy for actually doing something about it.  I'm guessing he has a better chance of success than all the angry internet message board comments put together.
 
2013-09-16 02:54:51 PM  

gilgigamesh: "It's selective enforcement, and that alone is unconstitutional," Schmidter said. "The homeless are in the street asking for money, and firefighters do it, too.

Yeah, I was wondering about this. If he can show panhandlers or fundraisers do the same thing in his town without being hassled, the city better break out its checkbook.


I would be willing to bet that at least the Firefighters have permits for EVERYTHING.  As a group, those guys tend to be pretty plugged into local government, have friends everywhere, and have a tendency to think in terms of legality and authorizations.  When they do stuff, it's usually super-legal.

Other groups might not be, though.  And since he's lawyered up already, some quick checking might be in order.
 
2013-09-16 02:55:36 PM  

rjakobi: scottydoesntknow: feckingmorons: He was also convicted of jury tampering as he was giving stuff to jurors, but that is still on appeal.

Wait, is that the guy who was handing out leaflets informing potential jurors about jury nullification?

Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


abfalter: I wish I had the time to dedicate my life to being a complete jackass pain in the ass for some petty cause.

Unfortunately, I already HAVE a life...


That's not how free speech works.  If you can mandate who can have it based on how much of a pain in the ass they are, then we've already lost the Right.
 
2013-09-16 02:55:37 PM  

gilgigamesh: netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.

I don't know what the deal is where he lives, but here in New Orleans homeless panhandlers and fundraisers (often children) do this all the time unmolested. It bugs the fark out of me, especially the kids, for obvious reasons.


Firefighters with boots, homeless with signs, whatever - they're all over the streets in my town, and not one of them seems afraid of being run over. It especially bothers me to see them on the skinny little medians - just one texter or old person can take 'em out. (And should.)
 
2013-09-16 02:56:30 PM  
i remember this happening in phoenix a long time ago.  a guy put up a huge sign saying "speed trap ahead", which was true, and the cops arrested him for disorderly conduct or some shiat.  his whole thing was basically, i'm on a sidewalk holding a sign, you can't arrest me.

not sure how it ended but it was a kinda big story a long time ago.

/this was also about the time a pregnant lady in phoenix got arrested for violating the HOV lane.  she argued her unborn fetus was a "second person" as contemplated by the law.  natrually, the right to lifers jumped on her case.  she lost at trial though.  she testified on her behalf but lost the case when she was asked, "when you go to the movies, do you buy a second ticket?  when you go to a buffet, do you buy two plates?"
 
2013-09-16 02:58:45 PM  

A Non Amos: How is this even constitutional?


Because Fark You citizen that's why
 
2013-09-16 02:59:08 PM  

mama2tnt: Firefighters with boots, homeless with signs, whatever - they're all over the streets in my town, and not one of them seems afraid of being run over. It especially bothers me to see them on the skinny little medians - just one texter or old person can take 'em out. (And should.)


The panhandlers are already illegal.  It's just a matter of how many of them the city wishes to lock up at a given time.
 
2013-09-16 02:59:17 PM  
FTFA: "Schmidter was jailed for handing out flyers on the courthouse steps outside of a designated free speech zone."

What a "Free Speech Zone" might look like:

www.horseshoesonline.com
 
2013-09-16 02:59:21 PM  

abfalter: I wish I had the time to dedicate my life to being a complete jackass pain in the ass for some petty cause.

Unfortunately, I already HAVE a life... I'm too busy being a douche on Fark


Fixed to reflect reality.
 
2013-09-16 02:59:53 PM  
Constitution derp derp. Fail.

/land of the free
// THANKS OBAMA
etc...
 
2013-09-16 03:01:24 PM  
I was under the impression that requiring citizens to be properly registered/licensed before they be allowed to exercise their constitutional rights was called "common sense".
 
2013-09-16 03:03:16 PM  
You all make jokes, but I'm glad this guy was arrested. He should have been tazed.  Clearly he was presenting a traffic hazard, not to mention trying to steal from the citizens of the county by opposing lawful traffic light cameras.

I only wish he had decided to resist arrest so he could have been shot while escaping.  Bastard.

Nah, just farking with you. The cop's a douche.
 
2013-09-16 03:04:11 PM  
I like how a cop can charge you with pretty much anything for doing anything if you so much as not respect him.

I do like the part where an old judge actually interrupted his own meal to walk outside and tell the officers that this guy should not be messed with and that he won't just submit to their authoratiah!
 
2013-09-16 03:05:10 PM  

moefuggenbrew: I do like the part where an old judge actually interrupted his own meal to walk outside and tell the officers that this guy should not be messed with and that he won't just submit to their authoratiah!


Yea, when a farking judge walks out and tells you that, you should probably listen to him.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:00 PM  

Gig103: rjakobi: Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.

That's what was said about those uppity folks in the south that used to do peaceful sit-ins.


I used to ride in the back of the bus with black people, when that was a thing.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:28 PM  

netizencain: "Once traffic came to a stop, he would walk in between cars"

Maybe that was the bigger issue.


The bigger issue is $$.  If he is successful, the City will need to find new ways to extort increase tax revenues.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:44 PM  

GoldSpider: I was under the impression that requiring citizens to be properly registered/licensed before they be allowed to exercise their constitutional rights was called "common sense".


you think it's common sense for this guy to have to get a permit to handout flyers?
 
2013-09-16 03:08:57 PM  
Maybe the cop was reassigned away from the trailer park and found it difficult to fill his caucasian arrest quota.
 
2013-09-16 03:10:06 PM  
This guy.

I like him.
 
2013-09-16 03:10:33 PM  

rickythepenguin: /this was also about the time a pregnant lady in phoenix got arrested for violating the HOV lane. she argued her unborn fetus was a "second person" as contemplated by the law. natrually, the right to lifers jumped on her case. she lost at trial though. she testified on her behalf but lost the case when she was asked, "when you go to the movies, do you buy a second ticket? when you go to a buffet, do you buy two plates?"


Arizona is a "stand your ground" state, right? If you shoot her in self-defense and kill the fetus, is it still self-defense? What if she's Mexican? The permutations are fascinating.
 
2013-09-16 03:11:15 PM  
Selective enforcement at best, knowingly trying to suppress free speech much more likely. When these private stoplight camera companies approach city councils and commissioners, they KNOW they would NEVER get approval if the matter was left up to voters. Instead their tactic has always been to bribe and schmooze local politicians with the promise of yet another stream of revenues to separate citizens from their money.  This is EXACTLY the kind of shiat that these politicians HATE. Informing the public that they can make the cameras go away is REALLY frowned upon. Most all voters are lazy and unwilling to get involved. When somebody is willing to put out the effort and fight city hall, don't expect city hall to just roll over. I fought a law in Destin Florida that would have placed Waste Management Garbage services on the municipal tax rolls by means of an ad valorem tax. I had to go door to door to collect signatures and get the matter placed on the ballot. Waste Management hired a county commissioner as their 'political liaison' for a salary of over $100K per year to attempt this same tactic in several local cities. They also invited city council members and their families to their Orlando Recycling Center. (In other words, FREE vacation to Disneyworld for a week). They also hosted huge expensive parties and luncheons where council members were given invites.  I received no help from the press and had to jump through hoops to overcome the  mountain of red tape the council placed in my way. I had to threaten subpoena to get access to emails and private meetings between city manager and Waste Management employees. Two other companies offered lower contract proposals to city, but were never even considered for garbage service. This is EXACTLY the same shiat that ALEC and Chambers of Commerce pull each and every day. Then they get Barney Fife to arrest the people working to make a difference to changing the status quo. Sitting around protesting does nothing to elicit change. Getting off your ass and keeping these politicians in check is what foils their evil rat-bastard schemes. I won on the tax matter. I can also assure you I intend to make sure council looks at all proposals for waste collection instead of awarding no-bid contracts to Waste Management once their 5 year contract expires in 4 more years as well.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:06 PM  

Dahnkster: Selective enforcement at best, knowingly trying to suppress free speech much more likely. When these private stoplight camera companies approach city councils and commissioners, they KNOW they would NEVER get approval if the matter was left up to voters. Instead their tactic has always been to bribe and schmooze local politicians with the promise of yet another stream of revenues to separate citizens from their money.  This is EXACTLY the kind of shiat that these politicians HATE. Informing the public that they can make the cameras go away is REALLY frowned upon. Most all voters are lazy and unwilling to get involved. When somebody is willing to put out the effort and fight city hall, don't expect city hall to just roll over. I fought a law in Destin Florida that would have placed Waste Management Garbage services on the municipal tax rolls by means of an ad valorem tax. I had to go door to door to collect signatures and get the matter placed on the ballot. Waste Management hired a county commissioner as their 'political liaison' for a salary of over $100K per year to attempt this same tactic in several local cities. They also invited city council members and their families to their Orlando Recycling Center. (In other words, FREE vacation to Disneyworld for a week). They also hosted huge expensive parties and luncheons where council members were given invites.  I received no help from the press and had to jump through hoops to overcome the  mountain of red tape the council placed in my way. I had to threaten subpoena to get access to emails and private meetings between city manager and Waste Management employees. Two other companies offered lower contract proposals to city, but were never even considered for garbage service. This is EXACTLY the same shiat that ALEC and Chambers of Commerce pull each and every day. Then they get Barney Fife to arrest the people working to make a difference to changing the status quo. Sitting around protesting does nothing to elicit c ...


blogs.smithsonianmag.com
 
2013-09-16 03:13:26 PM  

fireclown: mama2tnt: Firefighters with boots, homeless with signs, whatever - they're all over the streets in my town, and not one of them seems afraid of being run over. It especially bothers me to see them on the skinny little medians - just one texter or old person can take 'em out. (And should.)

The panhandlers are already illegal.  It's just a matter of how many of them the city wishes to lock up at a given time.


No, they're legal here. Was a big court battle won by a POS who carries more cash in his supposedly vagrant pockets than my house is worth. Figure they'll stay legal until someone gets killed, which I'm beginning to be all for.
 
2013-09-16 03:17:57 PM  
keithandthemovies.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-16 03:19:15 PM  
6dilly4dally.com
...and I'll look down and whisper "No."
 
2013-09-16 03:25:14 PM  

rjakobi: Ah, so he's an attention whore.

Lock them all up.


You know who else were attention whores?

wsmith769.edublogs.org

0.static.wix.com

www.history.com

/last guy blogged about it
 
2013-09-16 03:25:51 PM  

numbone: Maybe the cop was reassigned away from the trailer park and found it difficult to fill his caucasian arrest quota.


I don't think that's too hard in FLA.
 
2013-09-16 03:28:52 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "designated free speech zone"

Most offensive part of the story.


There aren't words in any language I'm fluent in sufficient to convey my hatred and disgust of that practice.
 
2013-09-16 03:30:54 PM  
Unless he was breaking the law he didn'tneed a permit.

Handing out things at a red light deosn't seem to break any laws.
 
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