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(Washington Post)   John Kerry gets four Pinocchios for opposing the invasion of Iraq after he supported it before he opposed it   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-09-16 03:02:39 PM  
He supported opposing it before he opposed supporting it.
 
2013-09-16 03:03:36 PM  
Its those damn Liberals fault for us going to war in the first place... Something about finding Weapons of Mass Global Warming.
 
2013-09-16 03:03:37 PM  
Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.
 
2013-09-16 03:04:34 PM  
www.wnd.com
 
2013-09-16 03:05:05 PM  
I heard he wants his medals back. Especially the really sparkly one.
 
2013-09-16 03:06:11 PM  
flip flopper!
 
2013-09-16 03:07:39 PM  
He's a political hipster?

Probably listens to bands I've never heard of.
 
2013-09-16 03:07:50 PM  
I'm glad there haven't been any other horse faced politician recently who have been proven to constantly change there opinion on a subject.  That would just be too much.
 
2013-09-16 03:09:04 PM  

Boojum2k: Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.


It's a wonder he wasn't elected.
 
2013-09-16 03:10:51 PM  
The older he gets the more he looks like Herman Munster.
 
2013-09-16 03:11:03 PM  
The WaPo article is right on a way. Kerry just needs a more nuanced statement like "Hey, the adimistration made a pretty good case for WMDs in Iraq and I voted based on the evidence at the time. Knowing what we know now,I wouldn't have made the same vote"
 
2013-09-16 03:11:15 PM  
He's a silly, silly horseface and not to be taken seriously.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:30 PM  
Still would've been a better President than Bush, McCain or Romney.

Of course, one could say that about a lot of people. Or animals. Or certain plants and fungi.
 
2013-09-16 03:12:40 PM  
It's a damn shame how everything worked out as best as it could.
 
2013-09-16 03:13:15 PM  
He's EVOLVING, a concept that his critics (clearly Republican conservatives) fail to accept.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:00 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Boojum2k: Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.

It's a wonder he wasn't elected.


True fact: John Kerry got more votes than any winner did from 2000 back.
 
2013-09-16 03:14:01 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: He's a political hipster?

Probably listens to bands I've never heard of.

I came here for just that
 
2013-09-16 03:14:14 PM  
FTFA: The newspaper noted that "virtually all of Kerry's rivals for the 2004 Democratic nomination believe he is trying to straddle the issue by shifting his emphasis at different times and for different audiences."

So, his rivals has noticed he's a politician?

He opposed the 1991 Gulf War, he supported the 2002 Iraq war.  He gets to say "I supported George Bush invading Iraq" and he also gets to say "I opposed George Bush invading Iraq".

/It's just that he had the opposite opinion as most Americans in both instances.
 
2013-09-16 03:15:43 PM  
Boojum2k

Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.

Because it's the only position that improves his looks.
 
2013-09-16 03:15:51 PM  
There is no way he can beat Bush now, even with John Edwards on his ticket.
 
2013-09-16 03:17:17 PM  
www.synthstuff.comwww.blackfive.net
 
2013-09-16 03:17:49 PM  
ferretman:

I still can't believe his campaign allowed that to happen
 
2013-09-16 03:18:29 PM  

ferretman: [www.wnd.com image 605x442]


I'M GONNA BE THE FIRST KID TO TRAVEL BY TV!!
 
2013-09-16 03:20:12 PM  

A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions


Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.  Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.
 
2013-09-16 03:20:15 PM  
he's funny looking and can't catch a football - therefore he's a terrible secretary of state!
 
2013-09-16 03:22:21 PM  

ladodger34: The WaPo article is right on a way. Kerry just needs a more nuanced statement like "Hey, the adimistration made a pretty good case for WMDs in Iraq and I voted based on the evidence at the time. Knowing what we know now,I wouldn't have made the same vote"


That's assuming that modern media would include a 33 word quote from anyone.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:15 PM  
img.fark.netimg.fark.net

Still better at catching the football than a Cleveland Browns wideout...
 
2013-09-16 03:23:20 PM  

FlashHarry: he's funny looking and can't catch a football - therefore he's a terrible secretary of state!


He's not George Bush and he's black - therefore he gets the Nobel Peace Prize!  We like to get shiat simple.
 
2013-09-16 03:23:28 PM  

devilEther: [www.synthstuff.com image 410x304][www.blackfive.net image 290x256]


FlashHarry: he's funny looking and can't catch a football - therefore he's a terrible secretary of state!


Patriots could use him.....
 
2013-09-16 03:24:50 PM  
Kerry deserves a good swiftboating, once again.

/never get off of the boat
 
2013-09-16 03:25:10 PM  
devilEther: img.fark.netimg.fark.net

cdn.wl.uproxx.com

Hopefully not obscure
 
2013-09-16 03:25:27 PM  
You know, you can say all you want that Kerry voted for war, but this is what he voted for:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION.-The President is authorized to use the
Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary
and appropriate in order to-
(1) defend the national security of the United States against
the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.


What he voted for most definitely is neither "war" nor what actually happened.
 
2013-09-16 03:27:23 PM  
A Secretary of State has to go with the President's narrative?  The hell you say!  Of course, the reason why everyone is now harping on him is because this plan might succeed.  This just shows us that, once again, the conservatives have nothing to offer this country.
 
2013-09-16 03:28:18 PM  
I don't really know what to make of this guy.  So much of what he's done and said makes him look like a slobbering idiot.  But he's the goddamn Secretary of State!  You don't get appointed to that position by being a fool.  Sorta reminds me of Dan Quayle.  By all accademic accounts he should be a genius.  But then he says gems like, "I love Phoenix.  I practically grew up in California."

Is there at least some chance that all these people really are nothing more than figure heads, and there is some room full of very smart (and presumably ugly) people that are actually making all the decisions?
 
2013-09-16 03:28:31 PM  
This farker is truly amazing.
Teflon coated to prevent perjury in front of congress.
Writes his own medals.
Flops like a fresh crappy.
On the other hand,,,
Was correct that the Vietnam thing was bad.
Making a joke, he stopped a war. This is more than any Sec of State has done in 50 years.

Go figure.
 
2013-09-16 03:30:36 PM  
You don't need more than one Pinocchio - the same nose on the one Pinocchio will just keep getting longer and longer. He should get ONE Pinocchio with a nose that is four times the length. It's as if these people have never even made a wooden doll that dreamed of becoming a real live Senator.
 
2013-09-16 03:31:16 PM  
Find me a politician that gets anything less than "4 Pinocchios" and I'll start to care.
 
2013-09-16 03:31:16 PM  

FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.   Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.


The point of that was that she ignored the fact that Alaska shares the largest border with a foreign country of any US state and she never once in that statement mentions working with Canada.  She never mentions international trade despite having several ports in Alaska (several exporting oil).  She had a half dozen GREAT responses she could have made and she didnt.
 
2013-09-16 03:32:42 PM  
"Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the president is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies," Kerry said.

Seems to me like his "support" was very, VERY conditional. Weird part is; Bush didn't meet those conditions, so I'm not sure he's actually lying.
 
2013-09-16 03:33:32 PM  
how dare a political believe they have the right to process new information and modify there world view and opinions based on said information

thank God for people like Grover Norquest who had an idea when he was 12 and has fault for it every since, No matter what the "facts" are, or changes in the Geo-political society
 
2013-09-16 03:33:42 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Boojum2k: Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.

It's a wonder he wasn't elected.


He's looking like a front runner for the next election.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:21 PM  

mike_d85: The point of that was that she ignored the fact that Alaska shares the largest border with a foreign country of any US state and she never once in that statement mentions working with Canada.  She never mentions international trade despite having several ports in Alaska (several exporting oil).  She had a half dozen GREAT responses she could have made and she didnt.


Your nuanced, reasoned criticism is the first I've ever seen regarding that comment.  Are you new to Fark?

And to your point, fair or not, pointing out experience in dealing with Canada isn't going to move the needle at all.  Canada is boring.  Speaks the same language (mostly).  Nonthreatening.  Most Americans have driven across the border at some point in our lives.

Russia's exotic; most of the electorate (especially the older GOP voters) remember the days of the USSR.
 
2013-09-16 03:40:14 PM  

pedobearapproved: Ricardo Klement: Boojum2k: Funny how no matter which direction Kerry twists and turns, he always winds up with his head up his ass.

It's a wonder he wasn't elected.

He's looking like a front runner for the next election.


Get ready for 4 years of Chris Christie or Marco Rubio.
 
2013-09-16 03:40:16 PM  

mike_d85: FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.   Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.

The point of that was that she ignored the fact that Alaska shares the largest border with a foreign country of any US state and she never once in that statement mentions working with Canada.  She never mentions international trade despite having several ports in Alaska (several exporting oil).  She had a half dozen GREAT responses she could have made and she didnt.


Expecting a great response from Sarah Palin is like expecting crème brûlée from your toaster.
 
2013-09-16 03:40:31 PM  
Kerry's job is simple. He is a buffer between GOP poutrage and Clinton. No smirking gotchas between now and 2016. Why doesn't the GOP care about Kerry? He isn't running.
 
2013-09-16 03:41:39 PM  

FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.  Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.


Refresh my memory, when did Palin say Russia could be seen from her backyard?
 
2013-09-16 03:43:59 PM  

leevis: FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.  Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.

Refresh my memory, when did Palin say Russia could be seen from her backyard?


I think it was when she hosted SNL. ;-)
 
2013-09-16 03:44:08 PM  

ladodger34: The WaPo article is right on a way. Kerry just needs a more nuanced statement like "Hey, the adimistration made a pretty good case for WMDs in Iraq and I voted based on the evidence at the time. Knowing what we know now,I wouldn't have made the same vote"


Senators had access to plenty of intelligence independent of the white house, don't kid yourself about what they did or didn't know.
 
2013-09-16 03:44:27 PM  

mike_d85: FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.   Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.

The point of that was that she ignored the fact that Alaska shares the largest border with a foreign country of any US state and she never once in that statement mentions working with Canada.  She never mentions international trade despite having several ports in Alaska (several exporting oil).  She had a half dozen GREAT responses she could have made and she didnt.


Well it was a gotcha question.

/depending on the meaning of was
 
2013-09-16 03:45:58 PM  

Xenomech: leevis: FLMountainMan: A Non Amos: So you're saying politicians aren't allowed to change their opinions

Pretty much.  And we've basically forbid the use of any rhetorical devices.  Howard Dean gets fired up and lets out a yell, and his political career is dead.  Sarah Palin makes a metaphorical reference to seeing Russia from her backyard and she's an idiot who doesn't know her geography (I mean, she is, but not for that reason).  And of course you have the Stockdales and Eastwoods of the world.

If MLK gave the "mountaintop" speech today, you'd have Rush Limbaugh producing evidence that Martin Luther King never actually summitted any mountain, therefore making the principles of conservatism valid.

Refresh my memory, when did Palin say Russia could be seen from her backyard?

I think it was when she hosted SNL. ;-)


Yet if you polled Americans, how many would say that she said it during a Presidential debate?
 
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