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2013-09-16 01:05:09 PM  
Are they going to play them in order this time?!?
 
2013-09-16 01:11:21 PM  
I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.
 
2013-09-16 01:40:39 PM  
That's a pretty sad list of new shows.
 
2013-09-16 01:46:16 PM  
Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot

Came here to say this. I think I'm going to go into it with pretty low expectations. Better chance of being pleasantly surprised I guess.  Who knows, maybe it'll be great.

I wasn't sure I'd like Supernatural either.  Now I'm addicted.
 
2013-09-16 01:49:23 PM  

Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.




Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.
 
2013-09-16 01:51:58 PM  
Hey, you know that Marvel universe that you know and love with its larger than life superheroes, action, and adventure?

We're not going to show any of that and just follow normal people in a crime procedural.
 
2013-09-16 01:53:18 PM  
I want Michael J Fox just once to say

JESUS CHRIST MARIE!
 
2013-09-16 01:54:34 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Hey, you know that Marvel universe that you know and love with its larger than life superheroes, action, and adventure?

We're not going to show any of that and just follow normal people in a crime procedural.


Pretty sure that's not the plan, just based on the ads.
 
2013-09-16 01:59:21 PM  
Sleepy Hollow needs to be a limited run... you can have season after season.

SHIELD will die because of the costs... they will have fewer and fewer special effects and fewer super heroes every week.  They'll have one episode which features two people stuck in an elevator or some simple shiat because it's cheaper.  Later, they'll bring love/romance/affairs to the forefront of episode arches.  Someone will get someone else pregnant and we'll go whole weeks without anything but character development... not a single super.
 
2013-09-16 01:59:43 PM  
It will suck but I will still watch it because there are very few TV shows that even conceptually meet my scifi geek needs/wants.
 
2013-09-16 02:00:04 PM  

Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.


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2013-09-16 02:02:21 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.


That's what I said about Grimm. But I at least watched one of the episodes first.
 
2013-09-16 02:04:08 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Hey, you know that Marvel universe that you know and love with its larger than life superheroes, action, and adventure?

We're not going to show any of that and just follow normal people in a crime procedural.


This. I haven't seen anything on the show to indicate it's going to actually have anything to do with Superheroes. The most we might get are some c-list characters with powers lame enough to fit into a cable TV budget.
 
2013-09-16 02:04:50 PM  

Confabulat: thank god Under the Dome is over for now.


I feel bad for Dean Norris, going from one of the most tightly written well shot shows to this POS

I tried, I really tried to like Under the Dome, but by episode 4 I cared not a shiat if all of them died and had no interest in watching if they did or not.
 
2013-09-16 02:06:00 PM  
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2013-09-16 02:08:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.

That's what I said about Grimm. But I at least watched one of the episodes first.


There's definitely a market for this type of show, though I'm not certain that market is for Monday nights.  If they put it on Friday nights and it pulled a 1.6, it'd be great.  But getting the same rating on Monday night is less.  Of course, if they put it on Fridays the fanboys would cry that Fox is trying to kill the show.  So they really can't win.
 
2013-09-16 02:08:19 PM  
Don't fark it up like they did with Heroes.
 
2013-09-16 02:09:11 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.

That's what I said about Grimm. But I at least watched one of the episodes first.




I refused to watch Grimm or Once Upon a Time. Both ripped off Fables
 
2013-09-16 02:09:33 PM  

Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.


Me too.  I haven't been disappointed in a show that was cancelled after one season in a few years now.
 
2013-09-16 02:10:16 PM  

rugman11: There's definitely a market for this type of show, though I'm not certain that market is for Monday nights. If they put it on Friday nights and it pulled a 1.6, it'd be great. But getting the same rating on Monday night is less. Of course, if they put it on Fridays the fanboys would cry that Fox is trying to kill the show. So they really can't win.


Execs are starting to ignore the initial ratings pulls more and more now that they realize there are droves of people out there watching elsewhere other than live that particular night it might be on.
 
2013-09-16 02:10:39 PM  

netizencain: Sleepy Hollow needs to be a limited run... you can have season after season.

SHIELD will die because of the costs... they will have fewer and fewer special effects and fewer super heroes every week.  They'll have one episode which features two people stuck in an elevator or some simple shiat because it's cheaper.  Later, they'll bring love/romance/affairs to the forefront of episode arches.  Someone will get someone else pregnant and we'll go whole weeks without anything but character development... not a single super.


Agent Coulson will be shot in the woods and they'll have to take him to some isolated farm to recover...
 
2013-09-16 02:10:46 PM  
I have high hopes for Agents of SHIELD.  Anything Whedon touches on TV is gold, and Jed and Maurissa aren't slouches either.  Hopefully ABC learns from Fox's mistakes and doesn't meddle.

I'm sad there's nothing new from SyFy on that list, of all of the shows they were supposedly developing last year, including a couple space operas, the only new scripted show they have on their website is some medical thriller set in Antarctica, lame.
 
2013-09-16 02:13:10 PM  

netizencain: Sleepy Hollow needs to be a limited run... you can have season after season.

SHIELD will die because of the costs... they will have fewer and fewer special effects and fewer super heroes every week.  They'll have one episode which features two people stuck in an elevator or some simple shiat because it's cheaper.  Later, they'll bring love/romance/affairs to the forefront of episode arches.  Someone will get someone else pregnant and we'll go whole weeks without anything but character development... not a single super.


That's not necessarily a bad thing.  Character driven shows tend to be better than special effects explosion-fests anyway.  Whedon has always done well with developing characters.  People will stick with it and rave about it if they love the people they see on screen and start to take an emotional stake in their story lines.
 
2013-09-16 02:14:11 PM  
I'm OK with Shield not becoming a freak of the week show. They could take a page from the Busiak's Marvel to show how big world changing super hero events impact the normals. They could explore some of the many different conspiricy theories found on the crazier web sites in RL. They could focus on the helplessness that some agents must feel when trying to deal with problems involving metas. They could focus on stories like The Avengers DVD feature. 2 of each of these, a romantic sublot, a 'ripped from the headlines' parable or two and you got yourself a season!

They could even do a storyline on suppossed good guys who are so inept they must be removed from action, but use thinly veiled DC heroes as the protaganist. Take down a yuppie liberal 'ArrowHead' character, or return Nocturnal Rodentman's teen ward to social services.

Maybe involve themselves in side plots from well known story arcs. What did Shield do when HateMonger was active and spreading chaos? Were they undercover in Broxton trying to interact with Asgardian Gods? Is there an active supersoldier program currently? They could go after Punisher and not have to deal with spectacular effects.
 
2013-09-16 02:15:47 PM  

netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs


Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.
 
2013-09-16 02:16:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: netizencain: Sleepy Hollow needs to be a limited run... you can have season after season.

SHIELD will die because of the costs... they will have fewer and fewer special effects and fewer super heroes every week.  They'll have one episode which features two people stuck in an elevator or some simple shiat because it's cheaper.  Later, they'll bring love/romance/affairs to the forefront of episode arches.  Someone will get someone else pregnant and we'll go whole weeks without anything but character development... not a single super.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.  Character driven shows tend to be better than special effects explosion-fests anyway.  Whedon has always done well with developing characters.  People will stick with it and rave about it if they love the people they see on screen and start to take an emotional stake in their story lines.


The problem with that is Whedon could do that with any show with any theme. But SHIELD is a show set in Marvel's universe which is first and foremost a world that's all about superheroes. Which we wont get, or will get very very little of. So why make a Marvel show in the first place?

/still waiting on a Buffy reunion. I don't even care of Spike is too old now.
 
2013-09-16 02:17:53 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.

Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.


Only if it is any good. If it is mediocre or bad it will be around for a few seasons.
 
2013-09-16 02:21:23 PM  

shabu: return Nocturnal Rodentman's teen ward to social services.


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2013-09-16 02:21:49 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: rugman11: There's definitely a market for this type of show, though I'm not certain that market is for Monday nights. If they put it on Friday nights and it pulled a 1.6, it'd be great. But getting the same rating on Monday night is less. Of course, if they put it on Fridays the fanboys would cry that Fox is trying to kill the show. So they really can't win.

Execs are starting to ignore the initial ratings pulls more and more now that they realize there are droves of people out there watching elsewhere other than live that particular night it might be on.


I don't know.  There are a couple of cases, certainly, where external revenue sources can keep a show on the air longer (Hannibal and its foreign co-production are a good example), but you can still predict with 90%+ certainty which shows are going to be canceled and renewed based solely on their A18-49 rating.

That said, networks do seem to be a little slower on the trigger, though I think that's because they're keeping a smaller stable of filler shows and they want to give their replacement actual chances to succeed.  Unless you're CBS and can just plug in a Big Bang Theory repeat and get better ratings than anything on the other networks, you're probably going to let a show play out (like Fox did with The Mob Doctor last year).
 
2013-09-16 02:22:13 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Confabulat: thank god Under the Dome is over for now.

I feel bad for Dean Norris, going from one of the most tightly written well shot shows to this POS

I tried, I really tried to like Under the Dome, but by episode 4 I cared not a shiat if all of them died and had no interest in watching if they did or not.


Don't feel bad for Dean Norris. Under the Dome gets twice the ratings of Breaking Bad.
 
2013-09-16 02:23:30 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.

That's what I said about Grimm. But I at least watched one of the episodes first.


I watched the first 3 episodes of Grimm, quit watching because I figured it would be canceled before the end of the season....but now it is in season 3? What do I know *shrug*

Also, I just binged on the first 5 years of Castle in the last two weeks, so I'm good to go there with season 6.

I'm mainly looking forward to the Avengers Agents of Shield.  Then I'm going to give American Horror Story another try. After abandoning the first season before the end, and not watching the second, I'm once again interested based on the previews. We'll see.

Finally, looking forward to the end of How I Met your Mother, because I want to see if Ted's recitation was actually his last will and testament, because he's dead (will do a happy dance over the end if so).
 
2013-09-16 02:25:40 PM  

shabu: I'm OK with Shield not becoming a freak of the week show. They could take a page from the Busiak's Marvel to show how big world changing super hero events impact the normals. They could explore some of the many different conspiricy theories found on the crazier web sites in RL. They could focus on the helplessness that some agents must feel when trying to deal with problems involving metas. They could focus on stories like The Avengers DVD feature. 2 of each of these, a romantic sublot, a 'ripped from the headlines' parable or two and you got yourself a season!

They could even do a storyline on suppossed good guys who are so inept they must be removed from action, but use thinly veiled DC heroes as the protaganist. Take down a yuppie liberal 'ArrowHead' character, or return Nocturnal Rodentman's teen ward to social services.

Maybe involve themselves in side plots from well known story arcs. What did Shield do when HateMonger was active and spreading chaos? Were they undercover in Broxton trying to interact with Asgardian Gods? Is there an active supersoldier program currently? They could go after Punisher and not have to deal with spectacular effects.




In one of the trailers they show Luke Cage. I think thats a good start. We don't need the Xmen, FF, or Spider-man on tv. I would pefer heros like Cage, Iron Fist, or Daredevil on tv. Save the ones that need lots of cgi for the movies. Kingpin would make a good overall head villain. Throw in the Punisher as a antihero and I'm in.
 
2013-09-16 02:27:31 PM  

rugman11: That said, networks do seem to be a little slower on the trigger, though I think that's because they're keeping a smaller stable of filler shows and they want to give their replacement actual chances to succeed.


That's it more than anything. The slowed trigger is a good thing since there have been MANY shows in the past that were executed prematurely without giving the show a chance to mature.
 
2013-09-16 02:29:27 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs

Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.


I really want this show to be good.  But I'm very nervous about it.
 
2013-09-16 02:30:07 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: shabu: I'm OK with Shield not becoming a freak of the week show. They could take a page from the Busiak's Marvel to show how big world changing super hero events impact the normals. They could explore some of the many different conspiricy theories found on the crazier web sites in RL. They could focus on the helplessness that some agents must feel when trying to deal with problems involving metas. They could focus on stories like The Avengers DVD feature. 2 of each of these, a romantic sublot, a 'ripped from the headlines' parable or two and you got yourself a season!

They could even do a storyline on suppossed good guys who are so inept they must be removed from action, but use thinly veiled DC heroes as the protaganist. Take down a yuppie liberal 'ArrowHead' character, or return Nocturnal Rodentman's teen ward to social services.

Maybe involve themselves in side plots from well known story arcs. What did Shield do when HateMonger was active and spreading chaos? Were they undercover in Broxton trying to interact with Asgardian Gods? Is there an active supersoldier program currently? They could go after Punisher and not have to deal with spectacular effects.

In one of the trailers they show Luke Cage. I think thats a good start. We don't need the Xmen, FF, or Spider-man on tv. I would pefer heros like Cage, Iron Fist, or Daredevil on tv. Save the ones that need lots of cgi for the movies. Kingpin would make a good overall head villain. Throw in the Punisher as a antihero and I'm in.


That's a good point.  There are so many 2nd and 3rd tier superheroes in the Marvel universe that wouldn't be able to hold a movie on their own, but that would be perfect for a TV show.  Plus, with TV they can have them show up for a single episodes, a few, or a season long arc and then be done with them to bring in someone else.
 
2013-09-16 02:30:30 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Confabulat: I'm going to give Sleepy Hollow a shot. Monday needs something, and thank god Under the Dome is over for now.

Sleepy Hollow will be gone in two months.


Yeah; I mean, I'm sorry but it's feels so uninspired.

Agents of SHIELD can range from "HOLY CRAP IT'S AWESOME~!" to "Oh boy, Whedon 'Jumped The Shark' with this one~!"

Also: Did y'all notice ABC advertising having "Iron Man 2" tomorrow?  Disney's gonna beat everyone over the head with "IM3" and "Thor: The Dark World" previews.  Surprised they won't have an "exclusive" Agents of SHIELD clip playing as well.
 
2013-09-16 02:31:04 PM  
Lets see

Joss Whedon is involved +1
Its not on Fox +1
Summer Glau isnt involved (yet) +1

If youre worried about Agents of SHIELD, go watch the Item 47 one shot from the Avengers DVD.

Plus i think it will be useful to set the stage for smaller more (literally) down to earth marvel films, Punisher, Blade, Ghost Rider, Heroes for Hire, theyre not usually fighting to save the world, its more street level stuff. And im hoping for a courtroom drama spinoff involving Matt Murdock and Jennifer Walters.
 
2013-09-16 02:31:08 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs

Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.


So was Space: Above and Beyond.  One of the best Sci-Fi shows ever.  Until a new studio head came along and killed their budget and then cancelled the show.
 
2013-09-16 02:32:45 PM  

netizencain: So was Space: Above and Beyond. One of the best Sci-Fi shows ever. Until a new studio head came along and killed their budget and then cancelled the show.


Thankfully this time around CGI effects are actually pretty damn cheap compared to then
 
2013-09-16 02:33:05 PM  

PanicMan: IdBeCrazyIf: netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs

Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.

I really want this show to be good.  But I'm very nervous about it.


I have full confidence in the creative team.  The only thing that could screw it up in terms of quality is if ABC ignores the mistakes Fox made with Dollhouse and meddles too much with regard to scripts and plots, trying to make it a 'monster of the week' type of thing early on instead of allowing the writers to really start developing the long game from the start.
 
2013-09-16 02:34:27 PM  

Esroc: TuteTibiImperes: netizencain: Sleepy Hollow needs to be a limited run... you can have season after season.

SHIELD will die because of the costs... they will have fewer and fewer special effects and fewer super heroes every week.  They'll have one episode which features two people stuck in an elevator or some simple shiat because it's cheaper.  Later, they'll bring love/romance/affairs to the forefront of episode arches.  Someone will get someone else pregnant and we'll go whole weeks without anything but character development... not a single super.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.  Character driven shows tend to be better than special effects explosion-fests anyway.  Whedon has always done well with developing characters.  People will stick with it and rave about it if they love the people they see on screen and start to take an emotional stake in their story lines.

The problem with that is Whedon could do that with any show with any theme. But SHIELD is a show set in Marvel's universe which is first and foremost a world that's all about superheroes. Which we wont get, or will get very very little of. So why make a Marvel show in the first place?

/still waiting on a Buffy reunion. I don't even care of Spike is too old now.


Because it's part of his Avengers contract with ABC/Disney.

Bundling. Joss gets extra money; Disney gets a second Avengers movie without Joss' full paycheck sitting on the movie's budget, and a TV series with some buzz.
 
2013-09-16 02:36:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I have full confidence in the creative team. The only thing that could screw it up in terms of quality is if ABC ignores the mistakes Fox made with Dollhouse and meddles too much with regard to scripts and plots, trying to make it a 'monster of the week' type of thing early on instead of allowing the writers to really start developing the long game from the start.


I'm also positive that whoever was ultimately responsible for cancelling FireFly is at this very moment contemplating suicide
 
2013-09-16 02:38:35 PM  

netizencain: IdBeCrazyIf: netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs

Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.

So was Space: Above and Beyond.  One of the best Sci-Fi shows ever.  Until a new studio head came along and killed their budget and then cancelled the show.


Until they get the new Star Wars off the ground, Marvel is Disneys darling child (and Disney owns ABC). Avengers made a billion dollars, i dont think theyll mind spending a few million a week to keep the Marvel Cinematic universe in the forefront of everybodys minds, heck, spread it out among the advertising budget of the three or four feature films theyre doing every year. Its not like theres any huge names attached that are going to be demanding multi million dollar per episode salaries.
 
2013-09-16 02:40:13 PM  

Cyno01: Ghost Rider


no. just no.

After what his movie have done to him just let him rest and heal...
 
2013-09-16 02:40:56 PM  

Cyno01: down to earth marvel films, Punisher


Just take Dirty Laundry and expand it out to a full feature film

Book it, done
 
2013-09-16 02:42:45 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: TuteTibiImperes: I have full confidence in the creative team. The only thing that could screw it up in terms of quality is if ABC ignores the mistakes Fox made with Dollhouse and meddles too much with regard to scripts and plots, trying to make it a 'monster of the week' type of thing early on instead of allowing the writers to really start developing the long game from the start.

I'm also positive that whoever was ultimately responsible for cancelling FireFly is at this very moment contemplating suicide


I doubt that. The same people who biatch and moan about Firefly's cancellation are the same people that didn't farkin' watch it while it was on air. The majority of Firefly fans didn't even know it existed until well after it was off the air.

And don't gimme that crap about it being aired being out of order. The show was mostly episodic and without being told explicitly what order the eps went in you'd never notice.
 
2013-09-16 02:46:55 PM  
<p><b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7935271/86503223#c86503223">TuteTib iImperes</a>:</b> <i>Mid_mo_mad_man: shabu: I'm OK with Shield not becoming a freak of the week show. They could take a page from the Busiak's Marvel to show how big world changing super hero events impact the normals. They could explore some of the many different conspiricy theories found on the crazier web sites in RL. They could focus on the helplessness that some agents must feel when trying to deal with problems involving metas. They could focus on stories like The Avengers DVD feature. 2 of each of these, a romantic sublot, a 'ripped from the headlines' parable or two and you got yourself a season!<br /><br />They could even do a storyline on suppossed good guys who are so inept they must be removed from action, but use thinly veiled DC heroes as the protaganist. Take down a yuppie liberal 'ArrowHead' character, or return Nocturnal Rodentman's teen ward to social services.<br /><br />Maybe involve themselves in side plots from well known story arcs. What did Shield do when HateMonger was active and spreading chaos? Were they undercover in Broxton trying to interact with Asgardian Gods? Is there an active supersoldier program currently? They could go after Punisher and not have to deal with spectacular effects.<br /><br />In one of the trailers they show Luke Cage. I think thats a good start. We don't need the Xmen, FF, or Spider-man on tv. I would pefer heros like Cage, Iron Fist, or Daredevil on tv. Save the ones that need lots of cgi for the movies. Kingpin would make a good overall head villain. Throw in the Punisher as a antihero and I'm in.<br /><br />That's a good point.  There are so many 2nd and 3rd tier superheroes in the Marvel universe that wouldn't be able to hold a movie on their own, but that would be perfect for a TV show.  Plus, with TV they can have them show up for a single episodes, a few, or a season long arc and then be done with them to bring in someone else.</i><br /><br /> </p>

Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Daredevil
Namor
Agents of Atlas .....
There's hundreds of heros/villains that they could use without much cgi. Using the 2nd-3rd tier heros is smarter. Allows to test the waters and see if people might like a feature film of them. Take a Moon Knight. There's no way he could be explained in a movie but in a weekly drama he works.
 
2013-09-16 02:47:42 PM  

Esroc: I doubt that. The same people who biatch and moan about Firefly's cancellation are the same people that didn't farkin' watch it while it was on air. The majority of Firefly fans didn't even know it existed until well after it was off the air.


Firefly's demise wouldn't have happened in today's viewing environment with execs paying more close attention to DVR, Internet, and Media sales through hard media and soft like Amazon, ITune, etc... because the fact is, had you let that man run with that show it could have been something amazing and been a cash cow.

Of course, chances are had that happened he never would have had a chance at Avengers so there's that.
 
2013-09-16 02:50:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Cyno01: Ghost Rider

no. just no.

After what his movie have done to him just let him rest and heal...


Ok, Ghost Rider is not the best character in the first place... and as far as the movies, Drive Angry was a better Ghost Rider movie than either Ghost Rider movie... but maybe Marvel Studios could make it work? Maybe? I mean i really dont care and theres a couple dozen comic books id like to see on the screen before him regardless of the original two movies, i just threw him out there because i know they recently got the rights back.

IdBeCrazyIf: Cyno01: down to earth marvel films, Punisher

Just take Dirty Laundry and expand it out to a full feature film

Book it, done


bulk.destructoid.com
 
2013-09-16 02:50:11 PM  

netizencain: IdBeCrazyIf: netizencain: SHIELD will die because of the costs

Word round the camp fire is that this show has been given a very LARGE discretionary budget, ratings pending change obviously.

So was Space: Above and Beyond.  One of the best Sci-Fi shows ever.  Until a new studio head came along and killed their budget and then cancelled the show.


That was Fox. Kind of a pattern over there with killing their scifi shows...
 
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