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(Rolling Stone)   "Vince Gilligan put the words of Walt's most loathsome Internet defenders and Skyler's most misogynistic comment-thread haters into Walt's mouth precisely to demonstrate how repulsive and monstrous those ideas really are"   (rollingstone.com) divider line 382
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2013-09-16 10:32:41 AM
Farking amazing episode. This is what television looks like when writers aren't afraid to be good.
 
2013-09-16 10:40:02 AM

Pocket Ninja: Farking amazing episode. This is what television looks like when writers aren't afraid to be good.


It lived up to its title: "Ozymandias."
 
2013-09-16 10:52:23 AM

Pocket Ninja: Farking amazing episode. This is what television looks like when writers aren't afraid to be good.


When you can get PN give an actually comment and not his typical comedy then you know you're doing well
 
2013-09-16 10:52:36 AM
Listen, it's simple: if you didn't want people to hate the character you shouldn't have named her Skyler.
 
2013-09-16 10:56:56 AM
The scene with Walt on the phone with Skylar has actually turned into a fantastic exam question for media reviewers to be faced with.  When the reviewer uses the phrase, "Oh sure, you could make the argument that-" and then describes the way the scene was actually written and delivered....before going back into their surface-level reaction and misreading of the scene....
 
2013-09-16 11:00:28 AM
"Gaze upon my works, ye mighty, and despair . . ."
 
2013-09-16 11:05:55 AM
I have mixed feelings about the episode: I just don't buy that Walter cares so much about family that he draws the line at killing Hank. Since episode 1, Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders. And on top of that, Hank has always treated him like crap, embarrassed him in front of his Jr. And I think that Walt would have given his "go fark yourself" speech to Skylar back at the house when she got home to find him packing, that Walt would have gladly left town alone with his money.
 
2013-09-16 11:08:32 AM
Nice misleading headline, subby. That's pure speculation on the part of RS.

/Team Walt
 
2013-09-16 11:11:14 AM
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Fark, what are you doing?


thornhill: I have mixed feelings about the episode: I just don't buy that Walter cares so much about family that he draws the line at killing Hank.


I agree.  Walter had no problem driving  Hank into oncoming traffic in front of Gus' lab to save his own ass.
 
2013-09-16 11:11:23 AM
The real lesson of Breaking Bad

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2013-09-16 11:14:55 AM

sidcart42: The scene with Walt on the phone with Skylar has actually turned into a fantastic exam question for media reviewers to be faced with.  When the reviewer uses the phrase, "Oh sure, you could make the argument that-" and then describes the way the scene was actually written and delivered....before going back into their surface-level reaction and misreading of the scene....


I think he was just making the point that it was a layered and complex scene, that probably had a few different interpretations.

But feel free to insist that everyone else is misreading the scene and that yours is the only possible interpretation.
 
2013-09-16 11:17:40 AM
FTFA:  Yes, you can make the argument that he was as cruel as he was on the phone to Skyler in order to keep her away from whatever his dangerous future plans might be, or to get her off the hook with any authorities who otherwise might not have bought the idea that she was forced into complicity.

Yes, you can make that argument because it's pretty obvious that's exactly what happened.
 
2013-09-16 11:17:43 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: sidcart42: The scene with Walt on the phone with Skylar has actually turned into a fantastic exam question for media reviewers to be faced with.  When the reviewer uses the phrase, "Oh sure, you could make the argument that-" and then describes the way the scene was actually written and delivered....before going back into their surface-level reaction and misreading of the scene....

I think he was just making the point that it was a layered and complex scene, that probably had a few different interpretations.

But feel free to insist that everyone else is misreading the scene and that yours is the only possible interpretation.


Not all interpretations are equally valid.
 
2013-09-16 11:17:58 AM

Wellon Dowd: The real lesson of Breaking Bad

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Or, have a health care system that doesn't lead to bankruptcy and destitution of diagnosed with cancer (or other serious illness).

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2013-09-16 11:19:48 AM

The Singing Bush: FTFA:  Yes, you can make the argument that he was as cruel as he was on the phone to Skyler in order to keep her away from whatever his dangerous future plans might be, or to get her off the hook with any authorities who otherwise might not have bought the idea that she was forced into complicity.

Yes, you can make that argument because it's pretty obvious that's exactly what happened.


Well to be fair, there was some nuanced truth to what Walt was laying down. Skyler has been holding him back all these years and I would wager had some hand in his selling out of Grey Matter.
 
2013-09-16 11:21:50 AM

Nurglitch: Not all interpretations are equally valid.


The ones listed in the article were (although maybe not Gilligan trolling his audience as a meta-commentary).

I doubt that idea was bounced around the writers room.
 
2013-09-16 11:22:34 AM
All this online speculation is hilarious about what's next is hilarious. It's a bunch of people who are desperate to not appear stupider than the awesome show they're watching.

Christ, just shut up and enjoy it.
 
2013-09-16 11:25:05 AM
Walt knew the cops would be there,Walt told her how he really felt but was also able to use that as a way to try to get her out of trouble and he only felt bad when it came to Hank.
/Give Bryan Cranston all the emmy's next year.
 
2013-09-16 11:25:34 AM

thornhill: Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders.


What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.

aendeuryu: All this online speculation is hilarious about what's next is hilarious. It's a bunch of people who are desperate to not appear stupider than the awesome show they're watching.

Christ, just shut up and enjoy it.


I'll do that as soon as you stop coming in to these threads to read them.
 
2013-09-16 11:26:48 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: The Singing Bush: FTFA:  Yes, you can make the argument that he was as cruel as he was on the phone to Skyler in order to keep her away from whatever his dangerous future plans might be, or to get her off the hook with any authorities who otherwise might not have bought the idea that she was forced into complicity.

Yes, you can make that argument because it's pretty obvious that's exactly what happened.

Well to be fair, there was some nuanced truth to what Walt was laying down. Skyler has been holding him back all these years and I would wager had some hand in his selling out of Grey Matter.


Sure, there has to be at least some truth for it to work.  If he just made up a bunch of stuff it would raise some red flags.  I think it's also pretty clear that Skyler realized what he was doing.
 
2013-09-16 11:27:56 AM

thornhill: I have mixed feelings about the episode: I just don't buy that Walter cares so much about family that he draws the line at killing Hank. Since episode 1, Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders. And on top of that, Hank has always treated him like crap, embarrassed him in front of his Jr. And I think that Walt would have given his "go fark yourself" speech to Skylar back at the house when she got home to find him packing, that Walt would have gladly left town alone with his money.


No, you're right that it's been all about his ego, but he has always deluded himself that it was for the family. Do you not remember Skylar kicking him out of the house and him doing everything he could to weasel himself back in? Because that was a good chunk of the past two seasons.
 
2013-09-16 11:29:20 AM

aendeuryu: All this online speculation is hilarious about what's next is hilarious. It's a bunch of people who are desperate to not appear stupider than the awesome show they're watching.

Christ, just shut up and enjoy it.


I had half the episode perfectly predicted (Hank and Gomie buying the farm and the Nazis stealing the money), and had half leaving me completely clueless until I saw it unfold (everyone finding out about Hank's death so quickly, the Nazis letting Walt keep a barrel, and holding Jesse hostage).

It's called having fun testing the show and basking in the creativity of the writers.  So fark off, Mr. "I used hilarious twice".
 
2013-09-16 11:30:23 AM

The Singing Bush: Sure, there has to be at least some truth for it to work. If he just made up a bunch of stuff it would raise some red flags. I think it's also pretty clear that Skyler realized what he was doing.


I think realized what he was doing and also came to acceptance with he actions during the entire course of her marriage. Hell if anything it almost seemed like Anna was channeling guilt in that moment, putting forth that in some respect Skyler feels guilt for planting the seed of this monster, guilt for never recognizing it through the years, guilt for watering its growth, and ultimately guilt for accepting it back into their house because of her greed.

I mean her lawyer did lay it out for her previously

"I didn't marry a criminal"
"Well you're married to one now"
 
2013-09-16 11:30:27 AM
Absolutely stellar teevee.

Coupla things:
1) Hank's death reminded me of Stringer Bell's death in The Wire, unapologetic, "Just get it over mutha fu----"
2) Skyler's asking where Hank was reminded me of D'Angelo Barksdale asking, "Where Wallace at?!"
 
2013-09-16 11:30:42 AM
If you're still a Walt defender, you're a bad person.
 
2013-09-16 11:35:44 AM

browntimmy: No, you're right that it's been all about his ego, but he has always deluded himself that it was for the family. Do you not remember Skylar kicking him out of the house and him doing everything he could to weasel himself back in?


So...him trying to be with his family wasn't a display of really wanting to be with his family, it was a display of his huge ego. Got it.

You people are weird.
 
2013-09-16 11:36:36 AM

Lando Lincoln: What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.


Jane says 'sup.
 
2013-09-16 11:40:05 AM

Lando Lincoln: So...him trying to be with his family wasn't a display of really wanting to be with his family, it was a display of his huge ego. Got it.


It was all to keep appearances so the car wash story would work and he could control his home. Like I said previously, don't mistake Walt's love as love. His family is his responsibility and Skyler is nothing more to him now than a piece of meat to be used in his game at controlling his world. His snatch and grab of Holly was his one last moment where he might have 'someone' who loves him. He had given up on Skyler the minute he signed the divorce papers, and in that moment where Walt Jr protected mom he realized he lost him as well.

It was pretty clear from the phone conversation of the resentment that Walt has been carrying for Sky for damn near their entire marriage. Sure he was covering for her and his kids, but it wasn't out of love it was out of responsibility owed as a man harkening back to the Gus speech. He genuinely hates Sky, and likely has for awhile. In fact i would argue that the cancer was actually a birthday present for him because remember he had originally refused treatment, he was looking forward to the sweet sweet release that only death can bring.
 
2013-09-16 11:40:55 AM

megalynn44: If you're still a Walt defender, you're a bad person.


I guess I am, then.

If you can't see that this whole shiatstorm is Jesse's fault, then I guess there's nothing that could be said to convince you.

Jesse gets in the van and goes away and lives his life with a big chunk of money and forgets about ABQ - end of story. Hank never gets the evidence he needs. Walt dies of cancer. Heisenberg remains a legend. Skyler and the kids live out their lives as best they can. Hank keeps his life and his job. Marie keeps wearing purple.

"BUT HE TEMPORARILY POISONED BROCK! THEREFORE, I MUST DESTROY EVERYTHING!"

Good job, there, Jesse. You just keep thinking those brilliant thoughts. That's what you're good at.
 
2013-09-16 11:40:56 AM
What hasn't been mentioned was the first episode of this season. Walt retrieves that vial of ricin powder from behind the electrical wall plate. My feeling he's going to use it on the Uncle Jack and gang.
 
2013-09-16 11:41:35 AM

Chemical Stump Remover: Lando Lincoln: What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.

Jane says 'sup.


Jane - the girl that blackmailed Walt? That Jane?
 
2013-09-16 11:41:47 AM

megalynn44: If you're still a Walt defender, you're a bad person.


I agree, but it's a deft bit of jiujitsu to get us rooting for him in these last two episodes:  we absolutely do not want to see the Nazis get away with pulling so much cash/influence for nothing, and we want Jesse to be freed.
 
2013-09-16 11:42:50 AM

Lando Lincoln: Good job, there, Jesse. You just keep thinking those brilliant thoughts. That's what you're good at.


Don't argue with the logic of a meth head, and hell Gus warned Walt. Never trust an addict.
 
2013-09-16 11:43:30 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: It was pretty clear from the phone conversation of the resentment that Walt has been carrying for Sky for damn near their entire marriage. Sure he was covering for her and his kids, but it wasn't out of love it was out of responsibility owed as a man harkening back to the Gus speech. He genuinely hates Sky, and likely has for awhile. In fact i would argue that the cancer was actually a birthday present for him because remember he had originally refused treatment, he was looking forward to the sweet sweet release that only death can bring.


No, it wasn't "pretty clear" at all. It was "pretty clear" that Walt knew the cops were listening, and it was "pretty clear" that Walt was crying through the whole speech. It was also "pretty clear" that Walt was saying shiat to exonerate Skyler and it was "pretty clear" that Skyler understood that.
 
2013-09-16 11:43:50 AM

Lando Lincoln: Chemical Stump Remover: Lando Lincoln: What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.

Jane says 'sup.

Jane - the girl that blackmailed Walt? That Jane?


Or maybe all those people that died in those planes because of Jane's death?
 
2013-09-16 11:45:38 AM

indarwinsshadow: What hasn't been mentioned was the first episode of this season. Walt retrieves that vial of ricin powder from behind the electrical wall plate. My feeling he's going to use it on the Uncle Jack and gang.


Yes, he's going to posion six guys with that vial and then use the M60 to kill himself.
 
2013-09-16 11:45:39 AM

Lando Lincoln: No, it wasn't "pretty clear" at all. It was "pretty clear" that Walt knew the cops were listening, and it was "pretty clear" that Walt was crying through the whole speech. It was also "pretty clear" that Walt was saying shiat to exonerate Skyler and it was "pretty clear" that Skyler understood that.


Walt's lies only ever work when there are hints of truth in them. No, there was real resentment there. There was some layered truth in that conversation.

If you've ever been witness to a loveless relationship it was pretty easy to see both actors channeling it.
 
2013-09-16 11:46:14 AM

Lando Lincoln: thornhill: Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders.

What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.


Read my post: "harming" and "killing"

That being said, he let Jane die, which set off a series of events that lead to the plane crash.

He poisoned Brock, and it looks like he may end up getting Andrea and Brock killed.
 
2013-09-16 11:46:42 AM

Lando Lincoln: IdBeCrazyIf: It was pretty clear from the phone conversation of the resentment that Walt has been carrying for Sky for damn near their entire marriage. Sure he was covering for her and his kids, but it wasn't out of love it was out of responsibility owed as a man harkening back to the Gus speech. He genuinely hates Sky, and likely has for awhile. In fact i would argue that the cancer was actually a birthday present for him because remember he had originally refused treatment, he was looking forward to the sweet sweet release that only death can bring.

No, it wasn't "pretty clear" at all. It was "pretty clear" that Walt knew the cops were listening, and it was "pretty clear" that Walt was crying through the whole speech. It was also "pretty clear" that Walt was saying shiat to exonerate Skyler and it was "pretty clear" that Skyler understood that.


Pretty clearly THIS

/pretty clear
 
2013-09-16 11:47:03 AM

Lando Lincoln: browntimmy: No, you're right that it's been all about his ego, but he has always deluded himself that it was for the family. Do you not remember Skylar kicking him out of the house and him doing everything he could to weasel himself back in?

So...him trying to be with his family wasn't a display of really wanting to be with his family, it was a display of his huge ego. Got it.

You people are weird.


Sorry I worded that wrong. He does care about his family, I just think the whole drug empire thing was more about Walt not wanting to go out as a nobody than it was to provide for the family.
 
2013-09-16 11:48:43 AM

thornhill: Lando Lincoln: thornhill: Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders.

What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.

Read my post: "harming" and "killing"

That being said, he let Jane die, which set off a series of events that lead to the plane crash.

He poisoned Brock, and it looks like he may end up getting Andrea and Brock killed.


And don't forget the most innocent of all bystanders, the kid in the desert.
 
2013-09-16 11:48:48 AM

A Terrible Human: Lando Lincoln: Chemical Stump Remover: Lando Lincoln: What innocent bystanders were killed? I must have missed those.

Jane says 'sup.

Jane - the girl that blackmailed Walt? That Jane?

Or maybe all those people that died in those planes because of Jane's death?


Walt didn't make a conscious decision to let those people die. Those people died because Jane's death caused her dad to do something dumb and then those people died. Walt could not have possibly foreseen that circumstance.

More direct blame can be placed on Walt's head for all of the new meth heads that he created with his product.
 
2013-09-16 11:49:33 AM
A woman wrote the episode, not Vince Gilligan.
 
2013-09-16 11:51:09 AM

Lando Lincoln: indarwinsshadow: What hasn't been mentioned was the first episode of this season. Walt retrieves that vial of ricin powder from behind the electrical wall plate. My feeling he's going to use it on the Uncle Jack and gang.

Yes, he's going to posion six guys with that vial and then use the M60 to kill himself.


He's going to put a little bit of ricin into the M60 bullets. JUST TO BE SURE.
 
2013-09-16 11:51:47 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Walt's lies only ever work when there are hints of truth in them. No, there was real resentment there. There was some layered truth in that conversation.


Well, yeah, I'd be resentful too of a woman that tried to stab me with a kitchen knife instead of letting us all get away and staying together as a family. You wouldn't be resentful of that? Not a little?
 
2013-09-16 11:52:39 AM

browntimmy: thornhill: I have mixed feelings about the episode: I just don't buy that Walter cares so much about family that he draws the line at killing Hank. Since episode 1, Walt's ego and sense of self preservation has never stopped him from harming and killing anyone, including innocent bystanders. And on top of that, Hank has always treated him like crap, embarrassed him in front of his Jr. And I think that Walt would have given his "go fark yourself" speech to Skylar back at the house when she got home to find him packing, that Walt would have gladly left town alone with his money.

No, you're right that it's been all about his ego, but he has always deluded himself that it was for the family. Do you not remember Skylar kicking him out of the house and him doing everything he could to weasel himself back in? Because that was a good chunk of the past two seasons.


True, but I think a lot of wanting to get back into the house was out of outrage was to prove that he could have his cake and eat it to -- be a meth cook by day, and normally family man by night -- and he didn't want Skylar to call him out on it.

Also, while he may have started cooking for his family, in the first half of season 5, Jesse calls him out on the fact that he's made more than he originally estimated he needed to give them, and Walt concedes that he's now in it for empire building.
 
2013-09-16 11:54:02 AM

Lando Lincoln: Well, yeah, I'd be resentful too of a woman that tried to stab me with a kitchen knife instead of letting us all get away and staying together as a family. You wouldn't be resentful of that? Not a little?


What I am getting at is that was just the thing that popped the cork on the bottled up emotions Walt has been stuffing inside himself since the beginning. He finally lets loose and at the same time provides cover for his family out obligation to their well being.

Remember, a man provides. And he does it even when he's not appreciated, or respected, or even loved. He simply bears up and he does it. Because he's a man.
 
2013-09-16 11:54:43 AM

megalynn44: If you're still a Walt defender, you're a bad person.


If you can't establish affection for an anti-hero, you lack imagination.
 
2013-09-16 11:55:37 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Don't argue with the logic of a meth head, and hell Gus warned Walt. Never trust an addict.


That was Walt's undoing. Jesse was the "ticking time bomb" - not Walt. If Walt really did care more for himself, then he would have offed Jesse a long time ago. Too late, Walt. Too damn late.
 
2013-09-16 11:56:18 AM

fickenchucker: aendeuryu: All this online speculation is hilarious about what's next is hilarious. It's a bunch of people who are desperate to not appear stupider than the awesome show they're watching.

Christ, just shut up and enjoy it.

I had half the epeisode perfectly predicted (Hank and Gomie buying the farm and the Nazis stealing the money), and had half leaving me completely clueless until I saw it unfold (everyone finding out about Hank's death so quickly, the Nazis letting Walt keep a barrel, and holding Jesse hostage).

It's called having fun testing the show and basking in the creativity of the writers.  So fark off, Mr. "I used hilarious twice".


how was this episode going to start without Hank and friend dead?

That is no prognostication, that was painted quite clearly from the end of last week. 'Perfectly predicted' might be giving yourself a bit too much credit.
 
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