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2013-09-16 11:40:38 AM
They are no where near the NFC East team with the most worries. The Washington Coloreds just came to the realization that they traded their future for the next 5 years for a broken down pinto
 
2013-09-16 11:40:48 AM
Eli Manning is currently on pace to throw more than 50 INTs. Not that he cares. He could walk on the field, take a shiat on the 50 yard line, and people would talk about how brightly his rings sparkled while he was pooping.
 
2013-09-16 11:41:15 AM
Tough road game in Dallas and hosting the best team in the AFC. I think they'll be okay
 
2013-09-16 11:45:11 AM

Treygreen13: Eli Manning is currently on pace to throw more than 50 INTs. Not that he cares. He could walk on the field, take a shiat on the 50 yard line, and people would talk about how brightly his rings sparkled while he was pooping.


And rightly so. Unless you're a Steelers fan, you'd jump through hoops to see the success Eli has had as QB over the last nine years.
 
2013-09-16 11:51:30 AM

yumpizza: Treygreen13: Eli Manning is currently on pace to throw more than 50 INTs. Not that he cares. He could walk on the field, take a shiat on the 50 yard line, and people would talk about how brightly his rings sparkled while he was pooping.

And rightly so. Unless you're a Steelers fan, you'd jump through hoops to see the success Eli has had as QB the Giants have had over the last nine years.


The Giants have had a lot of success. Eli varies from good to average to bad.
 
2013-09-16 11:54:09 AM

Lost Thought 00: They are no where near the NFC East team with the most worries. The Washington Coloreds just came to the realization that they traded their future for the next 5 years for a broken down pinto


RGKnee isn't the biggest problem on the Skin's.  That defense is.  They were run over by the Eagles and they were run over by the Packers.

None of the NFC East teams look good right now:
The Eagles look the best, but that's only when they are on offense.  There was no reason for them to lose to the Chargers yesterday except that they wasted good timeouts.
The Cowboys are next in line and they have frail DeMarco Murray and Tony "bruised ribs" Romo.  The Cowboys are an injury waiting to happen.
The Giants are the Giants, Eli is bipolar in terms of play style.
Then there's the Redskins where Bobert is still in pre-season mode, but they can't afford to bench him for Captain Kirk since they need Mr. Griff to get back up to playing speed and the defense I mentioned previously isn't helping.
 
2013-09-16 11:55:11 AM
I picked Rivers in my pool for the QB with the most turnovers during year. It seemed as though he was a solid pick, no WR's an injury prone RB a horrible OL and no real backup QB. I thought that those combos screamed for a high turnover season. I would have thought Eli with the better overall team around him would be middle of the pack in total turnovers, not leading the pack.
 
2013-09-16 11:55:42 AM
You know what's hilarious?

22nd ranked QB in the league this year is Jake Locker, who is AWFUL.

Below him this week in passer rating, in this order:

Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Tom Brady.

/then it's on to the guys who will likely be there all year (Pryor, Ponder, Weeden, Freeman, Smith, Gabbert)
 
2013-09-16 11:56:36 AM
As a Giants fan, my concern isn't Eli and his picks, it's the almost total absence of a defense. I saw missed coverages, pitty-pat tackles, no hustle. That's a huge concern.
 
2013-09-16 11:56:49 AM

Lost Thought 00: next 5 years for a broken down pinto



i didn't see yesterday's game but i read where his thrwoing motion looked suspect.  and even week 1, he was gimping it up.  everyone's talking about "when will Vick go down?" but i'd say Bobby French Fries is no lock to finish the season.

NFC Least looking like the division many thought it would be, although Week 2 is way too early to make any conclusive judgments.  yeah, the Bucs and Jets look pretty bad (and panthers, jags look pretty rough) but, there are some surprise 2-0 teams.  or at least it would be more accurate to say, when i sthe last time the Chiefs were in first place?
 
2013-09-16 11:59:34 AM

degenerate-afro: There was no reason for them to lose to the Chargers yesterday except that they wasted good timeouts.


They didn't waste good timeouts so much as they bungled the clock right before the two-minute warning. When they got to the SD 14, they ran TWO plays before the 2-minute warning (because of an incomplete pass on the first) when they didn't have to run any. With that defense, just take it to the two-minute warning, use the free timeout to come up with a great play, and work on killing some clock while you're in a position where you're very likely to at least get a tying FG.
 
2013-09-16 12:00:15 PM
not that it matters, no team who hosts the super bowl ever goes

it's like the madden curse, you can't argue with it, you can't reason with it, and it absolutely will not stop until your favorite team sucks shiat

/also why the 49ers need to win before SB50
 
2013-09-16 12:00:55 PM

rickythepenguin: or at least it would be more accurate to say, when i sthe last time the Chiefs were in first place?


They did win the division a couple years ago with Matt Cassel.
 
2013-09-16 12:02:34 PM
Is the NY media calling for Coughlin's head yet?
 
2013-09-16 12:03:44 PM

rickythepenguin: Lost Thought 00: next 5 years for a broken down pinto


i didn't see yesterday's game but i read where his thrwoing motion looked suspect.  and even week 1, he was gimping it up.  everyone's talking about "when will Vick go down?" but i'd say Bobby French Fries is no lock to finish the season.

NFC Least looking like the division many thought it would be, although Week 2 is way too early to make any conclusive judgments.  yeah, the Bucs and Jets look pretty bad (and panthers, jags look pretty rough) but, there are some surprise 2-0 teams.  or at least it would be more accurate to say, when i sthe last time the Chiefs were in first place?


well the chiefs won the division 3 years ago, and it's easy to argue that the current chiefs team is already better than that one... not that they'll win the division or anything unless Peyton's legs get chopped off (although i'd argue peyton in a wheelchair is still a credible threat to this year's defenses...), but they're a solid lock for #2 in that division
 
2013-09-16 12:04:09 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Tough road game in Dallas and hosting the best team in the AFC. I think they'll be okay


Can't fault them for losing yesterday, but Dallas lost to KC and barely got by the Giants despite Eli & Co going full Romo for three hours.
 
2013-09-16 12:05:50 PM

darch: As a Giants fan, my concern isn't Eli and his picks, it's the almost total absence of a defense. I saw missed coverages, pitty-pat tackles, no hustle. That's a huge concern.


Yeah, absolutely.  And, it seems that while the Giant's defenders are concentrating on stripping the ball instead of tackling the runner is picking up a lot more yards.
 
2013-09-16 12:06:25 PM
Two games in the teams are still a little sloppy and unpredictable. And fans go crazy. The saints are undefeated and have won both games against division rivals. Drew Brees and the offense were only OK so far.  But to hear some Saints fans critique the team youd swear it was at 0-2 and on the verge of never winning another game
 
2013-09-16 12:07:16 PM
0-2? Damn no one ever comes back from being 0-2, they should just forfeit the rest of their games.
 
2013-09-16 12:08:02 PM

degenerate-afro: The Eagles look the best, but that's only when they are on offense.  There was no reason for them to lose to the Chargers yesterday except that they wasted good timeouts.


I thought strategy at the end of the game was unorthodox, but not bad. The goal was to force the Chargers to kick the field goal with enough time left to get possession. In that sense, it succeeded.

The much, much bigger problem for the Eagles is that their defense is extremely soft. If the Chargers don't fumble twice in the red zone in the first half, the game isn't even close.
 
2013-09-16 12:09:56 PM

AdamK: not that it matters, no team who hosts the super bowl ever goes


yeah, it is pretty remarkable on one hand but not if if you think about it, due to the NFL having the warm weather rotation up until fairly recently.  and for a long time the Rose Bowl hosted the Super Bowl every few years when no team played there (the rams and raiders were in town but played elsewhere) so that slightly skews the data, but with the semi-regular rotation of San Diego, New Orleans, Miami / Tampa, you'd think one of those teams would manage to get good when they hosted it.

i mean, look at all the NFL cities that have never hosted a super bowl:  oh, just Saint Louis, Chicago, New York (i know), Boston, Seattle, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Washington, Denver, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Rough Buff....
 
2013-09-16 12:11:01 PM

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: There was no reason for them to lose to the Chargers yesterday except that they wasted good timeouts.

They didn't waste good timeouts so much as they bungled the clock right before the two-minute warning. When they got to the SD 14, they ran TWO plays before the 2-minute warning (because of an incomplete pass on the first) when they didn't have to run any. With that defense, just take it to the two-minute warning, use the free timeout to come up with a great play, and work on killing some clock while you're in a position where you're very likely to at least get a tying FG.


I won't disagree, but they stopped they stopped the clock when there was absolutely no reason to do so.  My only guess is that the team was gassed and needed a quick breather.  Also I can't forget the return by the Chargers that was fumbled for a 20 yard gain, but that was the sort of flukey thing that you can't really blame a team on.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again thank the Eagles for taking Cary "Pass Interference" Williams from the Ravens defense.  As bad as our secondary is, it's still better than if he was still on the team.
 
2013-09-16 12:11:25 PM
In other News That Wont Last the AFC West is the strongest division in the NFL. Two teams undefeated and no teams under .500.
 
2013-09-16 12:12:17 PM

Cybernetic: Is the NY media calling for Coughlin's head yet?


Nah, I think they're past that. They're used to the Giants getting a rough start. Not sure if they will be so understanding if they drop one to the Panthers though.
 
2013-09-16 12:12:57 PM

js34603: 0-2? Damn no one ever comes back from being 0-2, they should just forfeit the rest of their games.


Especially in a division where the only wins any team has is against other teams in the division.
 
2013-09-16 12:15:14 PM

Cybernetic: degenerate-afro: The Eagles look the best, but that's only when they are on offense.  There was no reason for them to lose to the Chargers yesterday except that they wasted good timeouts.

I thought strategy at the end of the game was unorthodox, but not bad. The goal was to force the Chargers to kick the field goal with enough time left to get possession. In that sense, it succeeded.


11 seconds?  I guess that is a small success.
 
2013-09-16 12:16:03 PM

Treygreen13: Cybernetic: Is the NY media calling for Coughlin's head yet?

Nah, I think they're past that. They're used to the Giants getting a rough start. Not sure if they will be so understanding if they drop one to the Panthers though.


That is not as far fetched as it seems. Like the Bucaneers the Panthers are ridiculously stacked on defense. If Cam Newton  has a great day the Panthers could beat any team.
 
2013-09-16 12:16:41 PM

rickythepenguin: Lost Thought 00: next 5 years for a broken down pinto


i didn't see yesterday's game but i read where his thrwoing motion looked suspect.  and even week 1, he was gimping it up.  everyone's talking about "when will Vick go down?" but i'd say Bobby French Fries is no lock to finish the season.

NFC Least looking like the division many thought it would be, although Week 2 is way too early to make any conclusive judgments.  yeah, the Bucs and Jets look pretty bad (and panthers, jags look pretty rough) but, there are some surprise 2-0 teams.  or at least it would be more accurate to say, when i sthe last time the Chiefs were in first place?


Actually, I'd say (with the superhuge sample of two half games I've seen this season from the Eagles) that Vick is looking great. Chip Kelly is running a lot more running plays than Reid used to, so Vick isn't forced to throw as much, isn't under so much pressure, and that shows. Some idiot around here was saying that Vick is just a jesus-less lefty Tebow, but Tebow can't throw anywhere as good as Vick throws. The problem with Vick is that he'll crumble under continuous pressure (where the greats QBs don't) and throw boneheaded mistakes, but so far, he's looking pretty damn good. And I saw Lesean McCoy actually gassed on the sidelines. Like he has to run or something :D :D :D
 
2013-09-16 12:18:17 PM

AdamK: but they're a solid lock for #2 in that division


so far, but you never know.  and three years in the NFL is a long time.  cassell isn't even on the roster anymore.


mikaloyd: But to hear some Saints fans critique the team youd swear it was at 0-2 and on the verge of never winning another game


very intrigued by Sunday's NO/AZ matchup.  our defense has looked at times but also given up some big plays, and the offense certainly looks rejuvenated to say the least.  i've been pleasantly surprised at how well Palmer throws when he has protection (news flash:  qbs tend to deliver the ball better when they have time) and of his INTs, one was just miscommunication (yesterday's pick 6, when he tracked the TE going right, when the TE stopped).

Tyrann mathieu has been all he was advertised.  he had a few highlight reel plays last week, and singlehandedly made the game-ending stop with a minute left yesterday (aside from some other hustle plays).

Oh, and how about CORNERBACK Patrick Peterson throwing a 17-yd laser?  handoff to P2, he kinda naked bootlegs it, and no joke, lines a perfect spiral to bro-seph.  Arians said the Cardinals have 40 offensive plays specifically for  P2 ;  we'll see more of that Sunday.
 
2013-09-16 12:19:47 PM
So, the last time the Giants started 0-2, they won the Super Bowl?

Yeah, I guess they HAVE to hope history is repeating itself right now. :/
 
2013-09-16 12:21:10 PM
I predicted a 4-12 Giants season (and starting 0-4) and got beat up in some other threads about that.

If they lose @ Carolina next week, I'll be feeling very good about it.
 
2013-09-16 12:22:31 PM

Treygreen13: Not sure if they will be so understanding if they drop one to the Panthers though.


at which point NYG will do what they do, and call for Coughlin's head on a platter, but after NYG limps to the playoffs and wins the super bowl, the very ones asking for his pink slip will be burnishing his Canton resume.  it is what it is, as they say.


sotua: Actually, I'd say (with the superhuge sample of two half games I've seen this season from the Eagles) that Vick is looking great.


oh no, don't get me wrong, *I'm* not saying "when will vick go down?"  that was just the narrative for him and will be, meanwhiile he has looked pretty damn good in my small sample size of one game (last week).  i'm just saying Bobby French Fries looks like he might not last the season.  you can't be gimping it up in weeks 1 and 2, 7 months after reconstructive surgery.
 
2013-09-16 12:22:40 PM

darch: pitty-pat tackles


these are what I have the biggest problem with.  hit the guy, you farking pussy!
 
2013-09-16 12:23:41 PM

Treygreen13: yumpizza: Treygreen13: Eli Manning is currently on pace to throw more than 50 INTs. Not that he cares. He could walk on the field, take a shiat on the 50 yard line, and people would talk about how brightly his rings sparkled while he was pooping.

And rightly so. Unless you're a Steelers fan, you'd jump through hoops to see the success Eli has had as QB the Giants have had over the last nine years.

The Giants have had a lot of success. Eli varies from good to average to bad.


2007 was the all round team effort. 2011 was Eli carrying the team on his back.
 
2013-09-16 12:24:24 PM

dletter: I predicted a 4-12 Giants season (and starting 0-4) and got beat up in some other threads about that.


i still say:

Dallas
NYG/PHI (have to lean towards PHI so far)
WAS

but, i think the East has one of those 8-8 champion years.  9 at best, possibly "just" 7.  and those that hated on the NFC West when we had that champion (SEA, 7-9) will once again have to eat a piping hot plate of crow.
 
2013-09-16 12:24:41 PM

mikaloyd: In other News That Wont Last the AFC West is the strongest division in the NFL. Two teams undefeated and no teams under .500.


No teams in either West are under .500, in fact.
 
2013-09-16 12:25:00 PM

ManateeGag: darch: pitty-pat tackles

these are what I have the biggest problem with.  hit the guy, you farking pussy!


I think they're trying to force fumbles. Which is something you kinda have to do when you're down big and are just hoping to cause *something* to go your way instead of forcing a 3 and out so your QB can throw a beautiful touch pass to a wide open defender.
 
2013-09-16 12:26:37 PM

rickythepenguin: AdamK: but they're a solid lock for #2 in that division

so far, but you never know.  and three years in the NFL is a long time.  cassell isn't even on the roster anymore.


mikaloyd: But to hear some Saints fans critique the team youd swear it was at 0-2 and on the verge of never winning another game

very intrigued by Sunday's NO/AZ matchup.  our defense has looked at times but also given up some big plays, and the offense certainly looks rejuvenated to say the least.  i've been pleasantly surprised at how well Palmer throws when he has protection (news flash:  qbs tend to deliver the ball better when they have time) and of his INTs, one was just miscommunication (yesterday's pick 6, when he tracked the TE going right, when the TE stopped).

Tyrann mathieu has been all he was advertised.  he had a few highlight reel plays last week, and singlehandedly made the game-ending stop with a minute left yesterday (aside from some other hustle plays).

Oh, and how about CORNERBACK Patrick Peterson throwing a 17-yd laser?  handoff to P2, he kinda naked bootlegs it, and no joke, lines a perfect spiral to bro-seph.  Arians said the Cardinals have 40 offensive plays specifically for  P2 ;  we'll see more of that Sunday.


I dont mind telling you that Im glad that game is in NOLA. Cards seem a lot less like pushovers this year
 
2013-09-16 12:28:06 PM

yumpizza: 2011 was Eli carrying the team on his back.


I wasn't aware that Eli forced Kyle Williams to fumble two punts, or caused Green Bay to turn the ball over 11,000 times.
 
2013-09-16 12:28:22 PM

rickythepenguin: very intrigued by Sunday's NO/AZ matchup.



dammit.  10AM arizona time.  that means we'll wake up during halftime after being down 28-6.
 
2013-09-16 12:28:57 PM

yumpizza: 2007 was the all round team effort. 2011 was Eli carrying the team on his back.


I'll give you that he played well in 2011. But acting like he's been spectacular over 9 years is silly. He's up and down, like he's always been.
 
2013-09-16 12:29:08 PM
Or held Atlanta to two points (oh wait, they scored those on Eli - actually, the Giants' defense gave up zero points to the Falcons.

But nah, it's all Eli. Even when he doesn't do much of anything.
 
2013-09-16 12:30:13 PM

mikaloyd: I dont mind telling you that Im glad that game is in NOLA. Cards seem a lot less like pushovers this year


yeah, we should be 2-0.  we gave up first and second half leads to a decent STL team last week.

gonna guess Saints by......5.5.  i think there's lots of love for that offense and not many have seen Arizona play.
 
2013-09-16 12:31:53 PM

rickythepenguin: gonna guess Saints by......5.5.



wow.  7.5 to 9.  arizona all day arraday at that number. not outirght, i can't say that, but 9?  this is a pretty good defense and we've shown we can score.  i would jump on 9.
 
2013-09-16 12:32:28 PM
rickythepenguin:  i'm just saying Bobby French Fries looks like he might not last the season.  you can't be gimping it up in weeks 1 and 2, 7 months after reconstructive surgery.

A surgery that normally takes a year to recover from.  It's not really fair to compare a normal person to AP.
 
2013-09-16 12:34:41 PM

IAmRight: Or held Atlanta to two points (oh wait, they scored those on Eli - actually, the Giants' defense gave up zero points to the Falcons.

But nah, it's all Eli. Even when he doesn't do much of anything.


All joking aside, Eli can be good. There are times where he goes out there and looks like your prototypical passer. There are also times where he goes out there, throws 3 picks, does nothing for 59 minutes, then has a pass heaved into double coverage bounce off a fingertip to one of his receivers who falls down in FG range and adds a comeback win to his legend.
 
2013-09-16 12:36:09 PM

mikaloyd: Treygreen13: Cybernetic: Is the NY media calling for Coughlin's head yet?

Nah, I think they're past that. They're used to the Giants getting a rough start. Not sure if they will be so understanding if they drop one to the Panthers though.

That is not as far fetched as it seems. Like the Bucaneers the Panthers are ridiculously stacked on defense. If Cam Newton  has a great day the Panthers could beat any team.


The Panthers lost three starters in the secondary yesterday, which was easily their weakest link. I foresee a repeat of last year's Thursday night matchup happening this Sunday.
 
2013-09-16 12:37:42 PM
It's the farking Giants.  They will be somewhere between 8-8 and 11-5,  and either barely make or just miss the play-offs like damn near every other year.
 
2013-09-16 12:38:44 PM

Treygreen13: throws 3 picks, does nothing for 59 minutes, then has a pass heaved into double coverage bounce off a fingertip to one of his receivers who falls down in FG range and adds a comeback win to his legend.


yup.   can't argue with the hardware, but his inconsistency is why i refuse to put him in the top tier of QBs.

but advantage him, as he's got more Super Bowl wins in, what, the past 5 years than Arizona has in 80.  i'm not hating on your boy, NYG, i'm just noting he's inconsistent.
 
2013-09-16 12:41:17 PM

Treygreen13: yumpizza: Treygreen13: Eli Manning is currently on pace to throw more than 50 INTs. Not that he cares. He could walk on the field, take a shiat on the 50 yard line, and people would talk about how brightly his rings sparkled while he was pooping.

And rightly so. Unless you're a Steelers fan, you'd jump through hoops to see the success Eli has had as QB the Giants have had over the last nine years.

The Giants have had a lot of success. Eli varies from good to average to bad.


and without a couple of freakish circus catches by his receivers it would be  little above average to average to bad.   Tom Coughlin would be also be coaching some mid level ACC team again too.
 
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