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(Engadget)   London museum unveils its latest art acquisition: a 3D printed gun   (engadget.com) divider line 30
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2013-09-16 01:38:33 PM
I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.
 
2013-09-16 01:41:17 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


I think they turned the components into art.
 
2013-09-16 01:43:21 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


Actually, it's the original's fired by the creator, my bad. It's definitely a historic piece, but I wouldn't call it art.
 
2013-09-16 01:46:51 PM
not a bad troll to start.
A weapon can be art. Controversy can be art.
Doesn't mean it's good art.

Plenty of historical firearms and edged weapons are very much art. I'm sure some farkers will post some.

/wouldn't this be illegal in london?
 
2013-09-16 01:49:11 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.


Anything can have inherent meaning, and so can be used for self expression. I fail to see how this isn't art but a blank canvas with one line on it is soo deep, man.
 
2013-09-16 01:52:02 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


Who called it art? Museums display all kinds of stuff, including weapons. The British Museum has a V2 on display.
 
2013-09-16 01:53:02 PM
That's not a gun, it's a stick with the word Gunn written on it in crayon!
 
2013-09-16 01:56:37 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


Art (n)
1)  the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

I would say using your creativity and imagination for 3D printing a working weapon in an effort to force people to deal with a controversial issue (namely, the citizen possession of deadly force) is exactly what Art is about.  You fail in art appreciation.
 
2013-09-16 01:57:58 PM
Performance art. You read it here first.
 
2013-09-16 01:58:24 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


1/10 - the general 'weapon is not art' statement is overly-broad & completely gives it away. Seems you got some hits though...
 
2013-09-16 02:05:52 PM

jjorsett: super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.

Who called it art? Museums display all kinds of stuff, including weapons. The British Museum has a V2 on display.


In this case the museum is a museum of decorative arts and design, not fine arts, so exhibiting a weapon as an example of design or manufacturing would be appropriate.
 
2013-09-16 02:11:29 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.


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2013-09-16 02:17:00 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


To be fair, London's Victoria & Albert Museum is for art and design. And frankly being the first self designed and *printed* firearm certainly qualifies as world changing design.

I say good for them at acquiring it.
 
2013-09-16 02:28:53 PM
Nah, no way a weapon can be artistic...

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2013-09-16 02:31:50 PM
Are they insane??  From what I've read here, those 3D guns are even more dangerous than the Glock AK-74s that the military uses.  This thing will probably kill most, if not all, of the people around the building it is housed in.  This is madness.  Thanks alot, Obama.
 
2013-09-16 02:34:54 PM
It's "art" in the sense that it represents the continued struggle of the 3D printing / home "makers" movement and its repeatedly attempted, eventually, perhaps, triumph over the economically more efficient and technologically more effective tyranny of existing mass production and machining methods which result in less expensive, more durable goods and the creativity-stifling realities of traditional economy of scale.
 
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2013-09-16 02:37:39 PM
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Where do they keep the ray guns and shiat?
 
2013-09-16 02:38:08 PM
I feel that the State Department is off-base here. Yes, the prevalence of handguns in the USA, at least, is a public health and safety issue. The Liberator, though, because it requires a fairly sophisticated setup to build one, is not as much of a concern as very inexpensive ready-made small-bore handguns.
 
2013-09-16 02:44:24 PM

Shaviv: I feel that the State Department is off-base here. Yes, the prevalence of handguns in the USA, at least, is a public health and safety issue. The Liberator, though, because it requires a fairly sophisticated setup to build one, is not as much of a concern as very inexpensive ready-made small-bore handguns.


Until such time as 3D printers become as ubiquitous as inkjet printers, you may be right.

But when you can buy a $200 3D printer and pop out guns for $10 in material costs from plans you can download at will?

Especially guns that won't set off metal detectors?  Yeah, they might have a problem with that.

It'll be like the problem that color printing and computers brought for counterfeiting:  The Secret Service used to worry about a handful of people each printing thousands of bills.  Now, they worry about thousands of people each printing a handful of bills.

The difference is that the US Government could change the design of the money to make it harder to counterfeit with a PC and a decent printer/scanner/copier.  You can't do that with guns.
 
2013-09-16 03:39:21 PM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


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Philadelphia Museum of Art

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Metropolitan Museum of Art

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Bavarian National Museum

Like it or not, a 3d-printed gun is a major milestone in weapons history. It's also a confluence of weapons production and printing technology.
 
2013-09-16 05:06:24 PM

dittybopper: The difference is that the US Government could change the design of the money to make it harder to counterfeit with a PC and a decent printer/scanner/copier. You can't do that with guns.


They also teamed up with the printer/scanner/copier makers, so some scanners/copiers will recognize currency and refuse to scan/copy a full-color image, and most good printers will now embed hidden codes in what you print, so they can track any such stuff back to you if you manage to print any such thing...

So, don't be surprised if they team up with 3D printer makers when those become popular and powerful enough, so when you try to print out those newly downloaded gun schematics, it either refuses, deliberately misprints some part to make it non-firable, or it embeds a hidden serial number somewhere on the gun so that if it turns up somewhere used in a crime, they'll be able to trace it right back to you...
 
2013-09-16 05:45:30 PM

RobSeace: dittybopper: The difference is that the US Government could change the design of the money to make it harder to counterfeit with a PC and a decent printer/scanner/copier. You can't do that with guns.

They also teamed up with the printer/scanner/copier makers, so some scanners/copiers will recognize currency and refuse to scan/copy a full-color image, and most good printers will now embed hidden codes in what you print, so they can track any such stuff back to you if you manage to print any such thing...

So, don't be surprised if they team up with 3D printer makers when those become popular and powerful enough, so when you try to print out those newly downloaded gun schematics, it either refuses, deliberately misprints some part to make it non-firable, or it embeds a hidden serial number somewhere on the gun so that if it turns up somewhere used in a crime, they'll be able to trace it right back to you...


That's why I buy my counterfeiting scanners and printers with counterfeit cash at Goodwill.
 
2013-09-16 06:21:03 PM

RobSeace: So, don't be surprised if they team up with 3D printer makers when those become popular and powerful enough, so when you try to print out those newly downloaded gun schematics, it either refuses, deliberately misprints some part to make it non-firable, or it embeds a hidden serial number somewhere on the gun so that if it turns up somewhere used in a crime, they'll be able to trace it right back to you...


I don't see that happening.  Why?

The original self-replicating 3D printer, the reprap, was designed to be made by other repraps.  Makerbots have been made by printing out their parts on Makerbots.  And the software for much of this is open source.

Recognize a gun?  It's not like recognizing currency, because while the design of the paper bills used by the US is relatively fixed with certain items in certain areas, using certain colors, etc., guns are completely free-form.  Already, we've seen several different forms, two versions of the original Liberator design, a rifle version, and even a "pepperbox" style repeating handgun.

Any attempt to identify a certain part and misprint it will be easily circumvented by simply changing the design enough so that the gun still fires, but the software no longer recognizes it as a gun.

It's not like currency, like I said.
 
2013-09-16 06:23:46 PM

DarthBart: RobSeace: dittybopper: The difference is that the US Government could change the design of the money to make it harder to counterfeit with a PC and a decent printer/scanner/copier. You can't do that with guns.

They also teamed up with the printer/scanner/copier makers, so some scanners/copiers will recognize currency and refuse to scan/copy a full-color image, and most good printers will now embed hidden codes in what you print, so they can track any such stuff back to you if you manage to print any such thing...

So, don't be surprised if they team up with 3D printer makers when those become popular and powerful enough, so when you try to print out those newly downloaded gun schematics, it either refuses, deliberately misprints some part to make it non-firable, or it embeds a hidden serial number somewhere on the gun so that if it turns up somewhere used in a crime, they'll be able to trace it right back to you...

That's why I buy my counterfeiting scanners and printers with counterfeit cash at Goodwill.


Heh.

You know that whole "prints an invisible serial number" thing?  It uses yellow dots.  If you don't have a color ink cartridge installed, and only use a black cartridge, it won't work.
 
2013-09-16 07:36:53 PM

dittybopper: You know that whole "prints an invisible serial number" thing? It uses yellow dots. If you don't have a color ink cartridge installed, and only use a black cartridge, it won't work.


You also won't be able to pass off your black and white counterfeit currancy to many people other than severely brain-damaged clerks... (Or maybe color blind ones, I suppose...)

dittybopper: I don't see that happening.


Hopefully not... But, I suppose one could build their own open source scanner and printer from scratch too, which doesn't implement the government bullshiat restrictions, but how many people bother? If 3D printers become popular enough, the vast majority aren't going to buld their own, they're going to buy them from Lexmark and HP and whoever... And, if the government can get them to play along, that's all they really need for 99.99% of cases... Yeah, you can probably get around any "looks like a gun" recognition tests with creative designs, but how many people are going to want to print out a gun that looks like a flashlight or whatever, rather than have something that looks like a real gun? But, if they can get all printed items, whatever they look like, stamped with some identifying mark, that's probably good enough for them, anyway...

In short, I'd like to share your optimism about freedom winning out, but I'm too old and cynical...
 
2013-09-16 07:39:41 PM
"currancy"? Something to do with printed fruit, I guess? It's time for me to go back to drinking, I think...
 
2013-09-16 07:51:41 PM
Oh, and as for printing out (parts of) a new 3D printer on another 3D printer, have you ever read the classic Reflections on Trusting Trust? It's about computer language compilers, but the same concept can apply to 3D printers, I think: if you can sabotage the original printer, you can theoretically make it sabotage any printed parts for another printer...

/But, maybe I'm just too paranoid...
 
2013-09-16 08:51:09 PM

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Where do they keep the ray guns and shiat?


You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
 
2013-09-16 10:02:36 PM

super_grass: Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.


What if you are trying to express humanity's self-destructiveness? or your desire to see humanity put to death? Huh? Then what, smartypants?

/everything is art
//nothing is art
 
2013-09-17 05:33:30 AM

super_grass: I'm sorry, but a weapon is not art.

Art is about self expression, a tool for killing is the exact opposite of that.

Destroy it, lest the museum wants to lose any shred of credibility.


Are you this guy's neighbor?

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