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2013-09-16 12:44:47 PM
The President's handling of Syria has hurt him, according to some. Mr. Obama "seems to be very uncomfortable being commander-in-chief of this nation," said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, adding it left the President " a diminished figure here on Capitol Hill."

Oh no, a Republican thinks poorly of Obama! He must've really screwed up!

With the President's approval rating plunging - and backing for "Obamacare" slipping below 40 per cent - the right wing of the Republican party is seeking ways to "defund" the ambitious health-care program. The most recent Pew Research Center poll, published last week, put the President's approval at 44 per cent, down 11 points over a year ago.

Yea... except for a couple months right after this past election when it was in the 50s, Obama's approval rating has been consistently between 40-50% since 2010.

the Republicans in Congress bitterly divided over whether it's worth pushing the nation over a fiscal cliff to drive a stake into the President's health-care program.

The fact that this is even a legitimate topic of debate is immensely depressing.
 
2013-09-16 12:45:37 PM
Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.
 
2013-09-16 01:17:58 PM
Defund ACORN and NPR.

Debt problem solved.
 
2013-09-16 01:29:30 PM
Congress and the White House don't get along, especially when there are two different parties controlling them.

Next up: did you know that Halloween is coming up soon?
 
2013-09-16 01:30:25 PM

vernonFL: Defund ACORN and NPR.

Debt problem solved.


Don't forget planned parenthood.
 
2013-09-16 01:30:37 PM

DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.


We've been hearing/saying that for way too long for me personally to believe it anymore. As long as Democrats and Progressives refuse to grow spines, the GOP and the Teatards can be as derpy and implosion-prone as they want.
 
2013-09-16 01:32:21 PM
A few days ago I was talking with a conservative who longed for the days of George Bush. "Bush," said the conservative, "was able to get Congress to act with bi-partisan agreement."

When I pointed out that Bush never dealt with an opposition who stated that their number one job was to make sure he was a one term president." The conservative told me I was making that up, and I didn't see that continuing the conversation would do anything for either of us.

American politics - ta da!
 
2013-09-16 01:35:41 PM
Well I have a farking spine. Someone, quick, vote me in someplace!
 
2013-09-16 01:36:02 PM

DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.


This process is going too slowly.
 
2013-09-16 01:36:40 PM

Karma Chameleon: As long as Democrats and Progressives refuse to grow spines, the GOP and the Teatards can be as derpy and implosion-prone as they want.


They can't just sit back and watch the implosion unfold before them? I think Reid is taking this approach with the upcoming debt fight(s) - let the teabaggers purify themselves into oblivion, or swallow the GOP whole; either way, the Party is left in a weaker state than it was in in 2007-8ish.

// #turnTexaspurple
 
2013-09-16 01:37:32 PM

DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.


"gonna"? Wrong tense.
 
2013-09-16 01:40:18 PM

Karma Chameleon: DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.

We've been hearing/saying that for way too long for me personally to believe it anymore. As long as Democrats and Progressives refuse to grow spines, the GOP and the Teatards can be as derpy and implosion-prone as they want.


When the next round of sequester cuts rolls in (hint: social security is actually gonna have furloughs, will further reduce hours open to the public, and might close field offices), and/or the government shuts down, there are gonna be a lot of ticked off people that want answers from the Republicans.

Then again, that would just be too gosh darned logical. For some reason, I think the Republican brain trust will find a way to blame Obama for them not doing their jobs.
 
2013-09-16 01:45:00 PM
"We have a 19 percent approval rating! Mandate! MANDATE! Our word is LAW!"
 
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2013-09-16 01:47:32 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "We have a 19 percent approval rating! Mandate! MANDATE! Our word is LAW!"


And as we do it, convince as much of the public as we can that laws and regulations are bad.
 
2013-09-16 01:49:54 PM
wouldn't it be great if someone posted a link on the white house web page (for example) that was just a few simple lists

"Things the President does"
"Things the Senate does"
"Things Congress does"

granted - most of us had this in an old-timey class called "Civics" or "American Government" - but I think it would be helpful for those Real Americans who blame Obama for not balancing the budget AND increasing the deficit to have a handy reference sheet.

it could include "why we raise the debt ceiling" with a "past due bill" cartoon

if it was popular, add a "why the White House budget isn't YOUR budget" graph
 
2013-09-16 01:57:41 PM
What benefits are there for the GOP to close down the government by failing to raise the debt ceiling?  None!?!?
They're going make it happen.
 
2013-09-16 01:58:04 PM
Do the Republicans really see this working for them? Did they forget what happened last time they tried this BS? Our credit rating was downgraded specifically because the agencies saw that these retards would willingly let the country slip into default for purely political reasons.
 
2013-09-16 01:59:52 PM
I thought the Syrian thing was handled very well by the president. The author of that article seems to think otherwise.
 
2013-09-16 02:00:09 PM

Car_Ramrod: The President's handling of Syria has hurt him, according to some. Mr. Obama "seems to be very uncomfortable being commander-in-chief of this nation," said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, adding it left the President " a diminished figure here on Capitol Hill."

Oh no, a Republican thinks poorly of Obama! He must've really screwed up!


Damn that fartbongo! He is the most effete ruthless dictator in history!
 
2013-09-16 02:02:50 PM

Muta: What benefits are there for the GOP to close down the government by failing to raise the debt ceiling?  None!?!?
They're going make it happen.


Oh, they will try. And Obama will troll them a bit for amusement, but I think in the end Obama isn't going to let the teaheads screw over the economy like they want to. After he works over the GOP, he will probably end up declaring the debt limit unconstitutional and call it a day.
 
2013-09-16 02:03:10 PM
This should be interesting.  The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands.  Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.
 
2013-09-16 02:07:59 PM

Subby: Obama faces showdown with Congress. This is a repeat of 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and earlier this year

.

Subby, Obama wasn't president in 2008.  Just saying.
 
2013-09-16 02:11:15 PM
The President's handling of Syria has hurt him, according to some. Mr. Obama "seems to be very uncomfortable being commander-in-chief of this nation," said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, adding it left the President " a diminished figure here on Capitol Hill."

It's so hard to keep track, is Obama failing on Syria here because he:

1. Did not bomb them
2. Considered bombing them but asked congress for approval
3. Even considered bombing them in the first place
4. He did not bomb them fast enough and then considered bombing them after the bomb deadline had expired (which I believe was the day before he suggested possibly bombing them)
5. Benghazi, IRS, Kenyan Muslim?
 
2013-09-16 02:24:44 PM
Get me a few shims.  This article has a bit of a slant to it.
 
2013-09-16 02:26:29 PM

ILostMyPassword: The President's handling of Syria has hurt him, according to some. Mr. Obama "seems to be very uncomfortable being commander-in-chief of this nation," said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, adding it left the President " a diminished figure here on Capitol Hill."

It's so hard to keep track, is Obama failing on Syria here because he:

1. Did not bomb them
2. Considered bombing them but asked congress for approval
3. Even considered bombing them in the first place
4. He did not bomb them fast enough and then considered bombing them after the bomb deadline had expired (which I believe was the day before he suggested possibly bombing them)
5. Benghazi, IRS, Kenyan Muslim?


Yes.
 
2013-09-16 02:32:07 PM

Great_Milenko: his should be interesting. The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands. Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.


Didn't Obama get everything he wanted out of Syria and Putin is doing the dirty work of disarming one of their client states and the US didn't even have to fire a shot?  If any other person were President, it would be called a triumph.
 
2013-09-16 02:35:06 PM

super_grass: Congress and the White House don't get along, especially when there are two different parties controlling them.

Next up: did you know that Halloween is coming up soon?


Costco has Christmas trees on display already.
 
2013-09-16 02:35:38 PM

super_grass: Congress and the White House don't get along, especially when there are two different parties controlling them.

Next up: did you know that Halloween is coming up soon?


There's a difference between "Congress and the White House not getting along" and "Stating from day one that your primary goal was to make the President fail, no matter what."

At best, the Republicans in Congress are spoiled children that have been throwing a temper tantrum since Obama's election. At worst, they're traitors, actively trying to sabotage the country for political gain, or just sheer spite.
 
2013-09-16 02:35:54 PM

Muta: Great_Milenko: his should be interesting. The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands. Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.

Didn't Obama get everything he wanted out of Syria and Putin is doing the dirty work of disarming one of their client states and the US didn't even have to fire a shot?  If any other person were President, it would be called a triumph.


Therein lies the key to any issue involving the current president and a large percentage of American People.
 
2013-09-16 02:36:12 PM

Muta: Great_Milenko: his should be interesting. The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands. Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.

Didn't Obama get everything he wanted out of Syria and Putin is doing the dirty work of disarming one of their client states and the US didn't even have to fire a shot?  If any other person were President, it would be called a triumph.


It is a failure in the eyes of the GOP because Obama.
 
2013-09-16 02:37:55 PM

powhound: Muta: What benefits are there for the GOP to close down the government by failing to raise the debt ceiling?  None!?!?
They're going make it happen.

Oh, they will try. And Obama will troll them a bit for amusement, but I think in the end Obama isn't going to let the teaheads screw over the economy like they want to. After he works over the GOP, he will probably end up declaring the debt limit unconstitutional and call it a day.


Not that I don't think the debt limit is stupid... but can he "declare it unconstitutional"?  Wouldn't the Supremes have to do that?
 
2013-09-16 02:41:11 PM

Muta: Great_Milenko: his should be interesting. The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands. Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.

Didn't Obama get everything he wanted out of Syria and Putin is doing the dirty work of disarming one of their client states and the US didn't even have to fire a shot?  If any other person were President, it would be called a triumph.


Add in Libya, the Dow over 15,000 and Osama Bin Laden's current status as shark shiat and it's pretty clear: if Obama was a Republican the debate now would be "Why are we only putting him on the $20? And why just his head on Mount Rushmore -- why don't we carve his entire body standing astride the other four and make his nuts a golden carillon that plays the Best of Lee Greenwood when the wind is above 14 knots?"
 
2013-09-16 02:42:55 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Muta: Great_Milenko: his should be interesting. The republicans are so happy that Putin supposedly got the best of Obama that they're ready to declare him washed up and will no doubt demand that he acquiesce to their childish demands. Of course, the big pussy will probably give in, but that doesn't make it right.

Didn't Obama get everything he wanted out of Syria and Putin is doing the dirty work of disarming one of their client states and the US didn't even have to fire a shot?  If any other person were President, it would be called a triumph.

Add in Libya, the Dow over 15,000 and Osama Bin Laden's current status as shark shiat and it's pretty clear: if Obama was a Republican the debate now would be "Why are we only putting him on the $20? And why just his head on Mount Rushmore -- why don't we carve his entire body standing astride the other four and make his nuts a golden carillon that plays the Best of Lee Greenwood when the wind is above 14 knots?"


He is more of a Republican than the Republicans.
 
2013-09-16 02:43:59 PM

ILostMyPassword: The President's handling of Syria has hurt him, according to some. Mr. Obama "seems to be very uncomfortable being commander-in-chief of this nation," said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, adding it left the President " a diminished figure here on Capitol Hill."

It's so hard to keep track, is Obama failing on Syria here because he:

1. Did not bomb them
2. Considered bombing them but asked congress for approval
3. Even considered bombing them in the first place
4. He did not bomb them fast enough and then considered bombing them after the bomb deadline had expired (which I believe was the day before he suggested possibly bombing them)
5. Benghazi, IRS, Kenyan Muslim?


The President is a power hungry tyrant who ignores the Constitution so that he can bomb Syria and support Al Qaeda.  He is also an empty suit who so gutless that he leads from behind, instead allowing Russia to solve the Syria problem thus empowering Al Qaeda..
 
2013-09-16 03:01:08 PM

xalres: Do the Republicans really see this working for them? Did they forget what happened last time they tried this BS? Our credit rating was downgraded specifically because the agencies saw that these retards would willingly let the country slip into default for purely political reasons.


Yes, they do.  Too many people in "the bubble" were told this was all Obama's fault we got the down grade. No one in the bubble will Google and find as fact that Republicans were called by NAME for this.   You have to remember that in the bubble:

1 - Obama was elected and wrote a 16 trillion dollar check.
2 - Obama creates and signs the budget without congress.
3 - The debt ceiling is not about what we spent LAST year as a budget passed by congress, but rather all of the welfare spending that Obama wants for next year.

To them, If we just stop funding the ACA, Planned Parenthood, NPR, the EPA, the IRS, ACRON, ect. and stop over taxing the 1% (And blessings be upon them) this country would be in the black by end of year.

In short, we have a group of crazies in congress that have no problem pushing the nuke button on our economy.
 
2013-09-16 03:21:29 PM

Kittypie070: Well I have a farking spine. Someone, quick, vote me in someplace!


Voted: Best in breed, Best in show.
 
2013-09-16 03:29:56 PM

zeroman987: Karma Chameleon: DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.

We've been hearing/saying that for way too long for me personally to believe it anymore. As long as Democrats and Progressives refuse to grow spines, the GOP and the Teatards can be as derpy and implosion-prone as they want.

When the next round of sequester cuts rolls in (hint: social security is actually gonna have furloughs, will further reduce hours open to the public, and might close field offices), and/or the government shuts down, there are gonna be a lot of ticked off people that want answers from the Republicans.

Then again, that would just be too gosh darned logical. For some reason, I think the Republican brain trust will find a way to blame Obama for them not doing their jobs.


It's Obama's fault for not giving them everything they wanted, including defunding "Obamacare", so they had no choice but to shut down the government.

/This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-09-16 03:49:34 PM
Compare Obama's approval ratings with CONgress approval ratings. those two numbers say it all.
 
2013-09-16 03:54:42 PM
Well, it's like taking care of kids.

If the kid does something stupid or wrong
then you have to stop them and/or correct them everytime they do it.

Problem with Congress is, the group that keeps doing something ...changes.
So there's never any progression.

Now you know how a high school teacher feels.
Like you're dealing with a whole class of malcontent kids.

And it starts again, every year.
 
2013-09-16 04:17:01 PM
He's not going to stop being half black.
 
2013-09-16 04:38:30 PM
All I have to say is DO IT! SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN! DEFAULT ON THE DEBT! Know who that will hurt the most? The 1%ers. The rest of us are all ready at the bottom not much further we can fall with out a revolution starting, because people get real angry when they get hungry.
 
2013-09-16 04:39:38 PM
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2013-09-16 04:48:08 PM

PanicMan: Kittypie070: Well I have a farking spine. Someone, quick, vote me in someplace!

Voted: Best in breed, Best in show.


[sticks chest waaaayyy out, struts around crazily, tail superfrizzed]

Ah will NUKE them teabaggin' muthafarkahs!! Nuke em til they GLOW!!
 
2013-09-16 05:38:23 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: why don't we carve his entire body standing astride the other four and make his nuts a golden carillon that plays the Best of Lee Greenwood when the wind is above 14 knots?


You should get your IQ checked, because I'm pretty sure you're a genius.
 
2013-09-16 05:41:03 PM

jntaylor63: In short, we have a group of crazies in congress that have no problem pushing the nuke button on our economy.


I say let them.  The American people decided in 2010 that they wanted Republican policies.  Let's let them have 'em -good and hard.  Let's shut down the government for a few weeks and hit the debt ceiling head-on.  It's about time Americans started suffering real consequences for their terrible electoral decisions.
 
2013-09-16 05:56:20 PM

The Name: The American people decided in 2010 that they wanted Republican policies.


41.7% of eligible registered voters turned out for the 2010 elections. Midterm elections are generally low turnout...

A truer statement would be, "The American people were generally burnt out on politics in 2010 and didn't vote."

Gerrymandering doesn't help keep things honest either.

But by all means, keep on talking about how you want to see your fellow Americans suffer. I'm sure you'll win some hearts and minds with that kind of thing. Maybe Republican, Tea Party, or Al Qaeda hearts and minds. These days those would be the top three groups (not necessarily in that order) that would like to see Americans suffer more.
 
2013-09-16 06:35:00 PM

JohnnyC: The Name: The American people decided in 2010 that they wanted Republican policies.

41.7% of eligible registered voters turned out for the 2010 elections. Midterm elections are generally low turnout...


So?  What difference should that make?  Are fewer people allowed to vote in midterms?  It still boils down to people either voting Republican or being too lazy to go out and vote Democrat.

JohnnyC: Gerrymandering doesn't help keep things honest either.


That's why I said 2010 and not 2012.
 
2013-09-16 10:48:27 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: zeroman987: Karma Chameleon: DamnYankees: Eventually the bomb of insanity that is the House GOP is gonna go off.

We've been hearing/saying that for way too long for me personally to believe it anymore. As long as Democrats and Progressives refuse to grow spines, the GOP and the Teatards can be as derpy and implosion-prone as they want.

When the next round of sequester cuts rolls in (hint: social security is actually gonna have furloughs, will further reduce hours open to the public, and might close field offices), and/or the government shuts down, there are gonna be a lot of ticked off people that want answers from the Republicans.

Then again, that would just be too gosh darned logical. For some reason, I think the Republican brain trust will find a way to blame Obama for them not doing their jobs.

It's Obama's fault for not giving them everything they wanted, including defunding "Obamacare", so they had no choice but to shut down the government.

/This is what Republicans actually believe.


So... what an abusive husband thinks about his wife and kids?

...sure it was a USDA Prime bone-in ribeye cooked on a charcoal grill, but you cooked it medium rare instead of rare so I'm going to have to beat you and the kids.
 
2013-09-16 11:22:00 PM

Linux_Yes: Compare Obama's approval ratings with CONgress approval ratings. those two numbers say it all.




Not really, since polls often include people who can't vote for more than a few seats.

What it represents is the problem in general. Everyone agrees that something must be done to fix our situation, but there are hundreds of different views on what it should be.
The presidents job is to either strike a balance or twist arms to create a consensus, not just complain that no one is agreeing with him.
While he might be a good candidate, he sucks as a negotiator.

/as we've seen with Syria, we've reached peak speech.
/I doubt the republicans will be impressed by another tirade, pointing fingers or calling names.
/to make progress Obama needs to be doing exactly the opposite of what he's done so far.
 
2013-09-16 11:58:00 PM

way south: /to make progress Obama needs to be doing exactly the opposite of what he's done so far.


This is Republicans' response to any action Obama could theoretically take, up to and including pushing their own policies.
 
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