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(NPR)   Police in New York blame Apple for an uptick in crime: "Since the first iPhone debuted six years ago, they've noticed every new Apple product has comes with a spike in street crime"   (npr.org) divider line 46
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2013-09-16 11:14:59 AM  
This quote has comes with a massive f*cking headache.
 
2013-09-16 11:15:32 AM  
Something like 1 in 7 crimes in NYC involve apple products. Apparently it's referred to as "apple picking" lol
 
2013-09-16 11:18:13 AM  
Their prices on new products certainly are a crime.
 
2013-09-16 11:20:17 AM  
I'd sooner blame parents and public officials for failing to give kids a good upbringing first and foremost
 
2013-09-16 11:20:25 AM  

ocd002: Apparently it's referred to as "apple picking" lol


That's pretty amusing.
 
2013-09-16 11:22:44 AM  
Muggers don't even ask for cash anymore. All they want is your phone and credit cards.
 
2013-09-16 11:25:00 AM  

uncleacid: Muggers don't even ask for cash anymore. All they want is your phone and credit cards.


Why credit cards? Most people are gonna instantly cancel them, surely.
 
2013-09-16 11:25:08 AM  
Go ahead, bite it.  Don't mind the maggots.
 
2013-09-16 11:25:18 AM  

anwserman: I'd sooner blame parents and public officials for failing to give kids a good upbringing first and foremost


Won't somebody think of the Sneaker Pimps?
 
2013-09-16 11:25:18 AM  

anwserman: I'd sooner blame parents and public officials for failing to give kids a good upbringing first and foremost


I'd also blame society in general for failing to provide sufficiently high quality safety nets for people resulting in them turning to 'a life of crime' in adulthood.

Even here in the UK, often derided by Americans as a place full of ebil socialists, we treat our poor (the unemployed, homeless, low income earners, etc.) like crap then wonder why and get obnoxious when they turn around and seem to do things society doesn't generally like.

Perhaps if we were all a little bit more respectful to each other and their contributions to society, no matter how minor, we wouldn't have a lot of these problems.
 
2013-09-16 11:28:38 AM  

Vaneshi: anwserman: I'd sooner blame parents and public officials for failing to give kids a good upbringing first and foremost

I'd also blame society in general for failing to provide sufficiently high quality safety nets for people resulting in them turning to 'a life of crime' in adulthood.

Even here in the UK, often derided by Americans as a place full of ebil socialists, we treat our poor (the unemployed, homeless, low income earners, etc.) like crap then wonder why and get obnoxious when they turn around and seem to do things society doesn't generally like.

Perhaps if we were all a little bit more respectful to each other and their contributions to society, no matter how minor, we wouldn't have a lot of these problems.


Yeah, respecting others wouldn't work well here. Not with foxnews labeling people as "makers or takers".
 
2013-09-16 11:29:24 AM  
i am not a fan of the word uptick
 
2013-09-16 11:30:58 AM  

Gunther: uncleacid: Muggers don't even ask for cash anymore. All they want is your phone and credit cards.

Why credit cards? Most people are gonna instantly cancel them, surely.


Not if they take your phone!  And where can you find a pay phone these days?  It's the perfect crime!
 
2013-09-16 11:34:00 AM  
Clearly, the solution is more good guys with Apple products.
 
2013-09-16 11:36:32 AM  
Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.
 
2013-09-16 11:40:27 AM  
Nowadays, you could be carrying more than a thousand bucks in electronics and gadgets on you. 600 dollar iPod ? Sometime an iPad ? Expensive watch ? Of course you are going to be mugged, especially when you flash it around. How stupid would it be to walk the street showing everybody you have 10 crisp 100-dollar bills on you ?
 
2013-09-16 11:52:47 AM  
And then they have to buy another Apple product. When will Apple (the corporation that is all about selling its products and making $$$$$) ever learn?
 
2013-09-16 11:56:32 AM  

Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.


I actually had a coworker whose son had his macbook stolen at college.  A few days later Apple found somebody using it and went ahead and called the campus cops, who arrested the thief.  My coworker's son didn't even find out Apple was doing this until after the arrest.  I guess there's an argument that that it's much easier to find the device if you keep it active and let the thief use it.
 
2013-09-16 11:56:33 AM  

Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.


Nice conspiracy theory except they have addressed it. A properly setup device running iOS 7 is unusable if stolen. You can't turn off the remote locate feature or wipe the device without the password for the account it's registered to. Stealing an iPhone after Wednesday earns you an expensive brick that's only good for ratting out your location.
 
2013-09-16 11:58:41 AM  
I was hoping for more Droid Rage in the comments
 
2013-09-16 12:00:05 PM  
Well damn they should ban them.

Always blaming something other then the person(s) themselves for doing the crime.
 
2013-09-16 12:13:22 PM  
Oddly, I blame people slavishly worshiping tiny little computers as having some sort of social cachet that will make their lives whole.  Oh, and criminals.  I blame criminals.
 
2013-09-16 12:21:05 PM  
Nice things.  This is why.
 
2013-09-16 12:22:41 PM  

joe714: Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.

Nice conspiracy theory except they have addressed it. A properly setup device running iOS 7 is unusable if stolen. You can't turn off the remote locate feature or wipe the device without the password for the account it's registered to. Stealing an iPhone after Wednesday earns you an expensive brick that's only good for ratting out your location.


It would have been a conspiracy theory if I had put forth the stupid reasoning that Apple intentionally does it to sell more iPhones to those who have theirs stolen (which is just absurd).  They don't bother doing it because they don't have to.

The iOS 7 features are a step in the right direction but only covers those who upgrade the hardware or OS, and likely will be subject to an exploit at some point. A policy of banning hardware IDs from App Store access upon a police report being filed would cover many more devices and would not be easily circumvented as Apple would be the only one with access to that database.

Take what Amazon does when a Kindle is reported stolen or lost: the device hardware ID is forever unable to access the Amazon kindle book and app store, under ANY account.  It is pretty much entirely impossible to circumvent as even if you were able to assign a new hardware ID to the device Amazon would likely say "uh, we never sold anything with that ID..."
 
2013-09-16 12:46:04 PM  

Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.


That or drastically lower their prices to compete, instead of keeping them sky high. No wonder Android holds over 3/4 of the market.
 
2013-09-16 01:13:39 PM  

Derigiberble: It would have been a conspiracy theory if I had put forth the stupid reasoning that Apple intentionally does it to sell more iPhones to those who have theirs stolen (which is just absurd).  They don't bother doing it because they don't have to.


It often amuses me when people come out with that conspiracy because it shows they don't know what insurance is or how it works.

Ohh dear my iPhone was stolen.  *gets crime number from police*  Ohh look my new iPhone has arrived from <insert your carrier here>.

Usually this insurance is bundled in with the contract you signed and runs for the duration of it to boot so it's not like it's a visible additional expense on top of your monthly bill either.

/Usually it really is just a box you tick whilst filling in the form.
//Or is ticking that box considered unAmerican?
 
2013-09-16 01:17:53 PM  
s it gonna be like "Demolition Man", but instead of rem0ving the eyes for recognition, they do it to fingers?
 
2013-09-16 01:26:23 PM  
Spike in crime with a release of a new apple product?Solution: make buying those products a crime.
 
2013-09-16 01:27:46 PM  
Is anyone taking bets on when the first iPhone 5S / severed finger crime takes place?
 
2013-09-16 01:34:58 PM  

Vaneshi: Derigiberble: It would have been a conspiracy theory if I had put forth the stupid reasoning that Apple intentionally does it to sell more iPhones to those who have theirs stolen (which is just absurd).  They don't bother doing it because they don't have to.

It often amuses me when people come out with that conspiracy because it shows they don't know what insurance is or how it works.

Ohh dear my iPhone was stolen.  *gets crime number from police*  Ohh look my new iPhone has arrived from <insert your carrier here>.

Usually this insurance is bundled in with the contract you signed and runs for the duration of it to boot so it's not like it's a visible additional expense on top of your monthly bill either.

/Usually it really is just a box you tick whilst filling in the form.
//Or is ticking that box considered unAmerican?


Umm... do you know how insurance works?

Do you think Apple is the company that pays for the new phone?
 
2013-09-16 01:37:03 PM  

Beeblebrox: Gunther: uncleacid: Muggers don't even ask for cash anymore. All they want is your phone and credit cards.

Why credit cards? Most people are gonna instantly cancel them, surely.

Not if they take your phone!  And where can you find a pay phone these days?  It's the perfect crime!


You laugh, but it does kind of suck.  I was mugged a couple months ago, took my phone and cash (they asked for the wallet, I offered the cash and they said ok).

Had no clue how to report it, luckily saw a neighbor outside the next block and used their cell to call the police.  I actually went to Radio Shack to report it to my carrier and have them shut off service.
 
2013-09-16 01:48:09 PM  

bacongood: Umm... do you know how insurance works?

Do you think Apple is the company that pays for the new phone?


Why would Apple pay for a new phone to replace your stolen one?  That's why you have the insurance on it.  From an insurance company, who you pay a premium to as part of your contract.   So that if your phone gets stolen you aren't having to fork out £400+ on a new one in one large hit.

So I'm right you morons think insurance is unAmerican.  Well, don't piss and moan when your phones nicked and you're looking at the bill to get a replacement then.   You don't get to have it both ways moron.
 
2013-09-16 01:50:58 PM  
Victim or Thug, what kind of apple are you?
 
2013-09-16 01:53:41 PM  
Fark, man. iPhone 5s already? I finally got around to stealing a 5 a month ago and now I have to upgrade again.
 
2013-09-16 02:01:13 PM  
Make it a law.
Chop off one hand.

Lets see how many people would be interested then.

/and that's just for buying an iPhone.

*Sent from my iPhone
 
2013-09-16 02:02:07 PM  

lacrossestar83: I was hoping for more Droid Rage in the comments


Yeah, I was also expecting the ever-repeating comments about how Apple users are supposedly the sheep. Guess they found a new line of thought to follow.
 
2013-09-16 02:12:23 PM  

Vaneshi: bacongood: Umm... do you know how insurance works?

Do you think Apple is the company that pays for the new phone?

Why would Apple pay for a new phone to replace your stolen one?  That's why you have the insurance on it.  From an insurance company, who you pay a premium to as part of your contract.   So that if your phone gets stolen you aren't having to fork out £400+ on a new one in one large hit.

So I'm right you morons think insurance is unAmerican.  Well, don't piss and moan when your phones nicked and you're looking at the bill to get a replacement then.   You don't get to have it both ways moron.


Exactly.  So Apple gets to sell another phone (the original to you, the replacement to the insurance).

That is why someone would say Apple doesn't bother to deter theft, because the insurance companies keep buying more phones from them.  If Apple made a phone that couldn't/wouldn't be stolen, they would lose those profits.

I'm not saying that is what is happening, but the reason is clearly not "because the end user has insurance".
 
2013-09-16 03:15:38 PM  

Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to. Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com


Law enforcement officials waiting for Apple to solve the iPhone theft problem finally have the feature of their dreams.

At WWDC today, Apple unveiled "activation lock," a new feature in iOS 7 that locks stolen phones even after thieves wipe them. The feature, which works alongside Find My iPhone, should make it much harder for iPhone thieves to use or even resell stolen phones. It's the kill switch law enforcement has been waiting for.
 
2013-09-16 03:25:26 PM  

People_are_Idiots: Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.

That or drastically lower their prices to compete, instead of keeping them sky high. No wonder Android holds over 3/4 of the market.


A stolen iPhone can be remotely locked by it's owner. Even if erased, it will remain locked.

Why isn't the same true about a stolen Android device?

Android only got anything comparable to the years old old "find my iPhone" feature a couple of weeks ago.
 
2013-09-16 03:51:42 PM  

Vaneshi: anwserman: I'd sooner blame parents and public officials for failing to give kids a good upbringing first and foremost

I'd also blame society in general for failing to provide sufficiently high quality safety nets for people resulting in them turning to 'a life of crime' in adulthood.

Even here in the UK, often derided by Americans as a place full of ebil socialists, we treat our poor (the unemployed, homeless, low income earners, etc.) like crap then wonder why and get obnoxious when they turn around and seem to do things society doesn't generally like.

Perhaps if we were all a little bit more respectful to each other and their contributions to society, no matter how minor, we wouldn't have a lot of these problems.


Oh for fark's sake.

Entire generations grow up on the safety net, and it's their offspring that commit a lot of crime. The thought of earning a living and being responsible terrifies them. Why get a job and buy a phone when you can just knock someone upside the head and take theirs?
 
2013-09-16 04:17:20 PM  

Beeblebrox: Gunther: uncleacid: Muggers don't even ask for cash anymore. All they want is your phone and credit cards.

Why credit cards? Most people are gonna instantly cancel them, surely.

Not if they take your phone!  And where can you find a pay phone these days?  It's the perfect crime!


Good point.. in the time it took you to get to a phone/internet terminal, look up the issuing bank's contact info for your cards, call, get through to someone, and get the issue resolved.. every card will be maxed out. Liability laws protect you from the worst of it, but still one hell of a hassle.
 
2013-09-16 05:54:03 PM  
Apple should be forced to give away like 1,000,000 (new product) to poor people on release day so that this crime doesn't happen.  People who won life's lottery and can afford to get their own can just subsidize that program.  They can consider it a tax.  It is the socially responsible thing to do.  People with money should recognize that this is how a polite society operates, what with you paying for the fire department and the streets you drive on.
 
2013-09-16 10:23:37 PM  
I has comes in subby's mom's mouth.
 
2013-09-17 01:34:52 AM  

BullBearMS: People_are_Idiots: Derigiberble: Apple could easily drastically cut the value of stolen iPhones, but they choose not to.  Even if they didn't remotely brick devices (as they did when their own prototype was "lost") blocking the hardware IDs of stolen iPhones from connection to the Apple App Store and iTunes would go a very long way toward making stolen devices less valuable.

But that costs them money so they look the other way and probably will continue to do so until an attorney general gets fed up and takes them to court under some creative application of aiding in the trade of stolen goods.

That or drastically lower their prices to compete, instead of keeping them sky high. No wonder Android holds over 3/4 of the market.

A stolen iPhone can be remotely locked by it's owner. Even if erased, it will remain locked.

Why isn't the same true about a stolen Android device?

Android only got anything comparable to the years old old "find my iPhone" feature a couple of weeks ago.


Google hasn't, but there are apps that have been around for more then a couple of weeks (try 2-3 years) that have the same function as the remote lock (and even remote wipe). Just because Google doesn't put it out doesn't mean it's not out there, unlike with iPhones.

Also, Android has had several "Siri" apps (some from way before Siri was available), fantastic GPS maps (use them vs my Garmin), and the ability to install a lot of third-party (without need of Play) apps. Even has the best player I have run across... mPlayer.
 
2013-09-17 09:27:48 AM  
When you promote a product on "style" over function, the price tag is inflated primarily due to the logo it bears, and posession becomes an indicator of status, can you really be surprised when said product becomes a source of theft and robbery?
 
2013-09-17 10:58:56 AM  

wonred: When you promote a product on "style" over function, the price tag is inflated primarily due to the logo it bears, and posession becomes an indicator of status, can you really be surprised when said product becomes a source of theft and robbery?


Nah.

It's just fact that the broken people of society, the criminals and other scum of the earth, are the type to love Apple products.

/trollolololollloooo
 
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