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2013-09-15 06:28:12 PM
Typical Fark reaction to this guys statements. It is obvious no one here thought this through.
The key thing is these homosexual people want to get married. So if they can't marry someone of the same sex they will think "I have got to get married, I guess I will have to go straight and get married. Once married as a heterosexual naturally they will quickly come to the conclusion that "This straight life style is so natural and perfect I just didn't realize, I better give up condoms and any other birth control too." So after they have had five or six kids they will think "I just love having a child born every year. They are truly wonderful and a blessing. Since clearly these blessing are from God,  I must join the Catholic Church since that enlightened archbishop who changed my life so much is a member. And I better give up sodomy too. [Sodomy is always the last to go since it feels so damned good.]
So think things out people.
 
2013-09-15 06:28:27 PM
And Madonna's Superbowl half-time show:

2.bp.blogspot.com

Satanic Ritual Performed at The NFL Half Time Show

Be sure to put your crazy pants on before clicking that link.
 
2013-09-15 06:29:43 PM
Here's hoping the cool new pope smacks this asshole down.
 
2013-09-15 06:31:27 PM

speckio45: the devil gave humans critical thinking, which god didn't want. God  wanted us to not eat from the tree of knowledge so we could basically be thoughtless slaves for eternity, the the devil did us a favor and turned the tables with a single conversation.



Lucifer, indeed.
 
2013-09-15 06:31:46 PM
And from his boss, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

These idiots are not long for the Church. Thank God.
 
2013-09-15 06:32:01 PM
You know this guy's browsing history would make the most hardcore leather bottom blush.

We just had the thread about the guy porking kids to "cure" teh ghey, and there's WAY too many shuffle-a-priest stories out there.

Once again, the question is asked: How do people continue to justify the Church holding a moral authority over someone's immortal soul, when they continue to condone stuff like that?

Still waiting for Francis to step up on this issue.
 
2013-09-15 06:33:12 PM
What does the bishop say about cross-dressers?
s24.postimg.org
"the DEVIL made me do it!"
 
2013-09-15 06:34:35 PM

clowncar on fire: fusillade762: eyeq360: Because People in power are Stupid: And motorcycles and rock and roll and blacks and nunchucks and chuck taylors and red hair and big boobs and ...

And Dungeons and Dragons.  That's another one.

And the old Procter & Gamble symbol.

[static5.businessinsider.com image 263x317]

You missed the 13 stars


mrnussbaum.com

As Americans, we were destined for ruination anyhow.
 
2013-09-15 06:36:43 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: speckio45: the devil gave humans critical thinking, which god didn't want. God  wanted us to not eat from the tree of knowledge so we could basically be thoughtless slaves for eternity, the the devil did us a favor and turned the tables with a single conversation.


Lucifer, indeed.


Actually, the choice was live in bliss or fall from grace and figure it all out your self.
 
2013-09-15 06:37:28 PM
Ah yes, Satan, the all-time greatest, imaginary scapegoat for human personal responsibility.
 
2013-09-15 06:38:09 PM

Chinchillazilla: Here's hoping the cool new pope smacks this asshole down.


That sounds suspiciously like sodomy.
 
2013-09-15 06:39:27 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Chinchillazilla: Here's hoping the cool new pope smacks this asshole down.

That sounds suspiciously like sodomy.


Here's hoping the cool new pope sodomizes this guy.
 
2013-09-15 06:40:02 PM

houstondragon: You know this guy's browsing history would make the most hardcore leather bottom blush.

We just had the thread about the guy porking kids to "cure" teh ghey, and there's WAY too many shuffle-a-priest stories out there.

Once again, the question is asked: How do people continue to justify the Church holding a moral authority over someone's immortal soul, when they continue to condone stuff like that?

Still waiting for Francis to step up on this issue.


See his statement in the post immediately preceding yours. It's a start.
 
2013-09-15 06:40:05 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Ah yes, Satan, the all-time greatest, imaginary scapegoat for human personal responsibility.


Now that we're pushing for atheism, we'll have to settle on blaming our fellow man instead.

Are you that naïve to believe that it hasn't always been somebody else's fault right from the start?
 
2013-09-15 06:40:31 PM

baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?


An intellectual fantasy indulged in by those trying to assert a moral high-ground in the face of evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-09-15 06:41:24 PM

ChubbyTiger: And from his boss, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

These idiots are not long for the Church. Thank God.


Um, you do realize that those statements are not contradictory, right?

The catechism says don't judge these immoral sick people.  That's what the pope said, too.

He's not going to change anything.  He'll just say it differently.
 
2013-09-15 06:43:18 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

An intellectual fantasy indulged in by those trying to assert a moral high-ground in the face of evidence to the contrary.


So in other words, "trolling".
 
2013-09-15 06:46:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: ChubbyTiger: And from his boss, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

These idiots are not long for the Church. Thank God.

Um, you do realize that those statements are not contradictory, right?

The catechism says don't judge these immoral sick people.  That's what the pope said, too.

He's not going to change anything.  He'll just say it differently.


What were you expecting?

Saying that it is not man's place to cast judgement is not saying being gay is evil and God will sort them out later. It means it's not man's place to judge.  The pope reiterated that.
play victim much?
 
2013-09-15 06:53:55 PM

baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?


A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.
 
2013-09-15 07:01:46 PM

clowncar on fire: Benevolent Misanthrope: ChubbyTiger: And from his boss, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

These idiots are not long for the Church. Thank God.

Um, you do realize that those statements are not contradictory, right?

The catechism says don't judge these immoral sick people.  That's what the pope said, too.

He's not going to change anything.  He'll just say it differently.

What were you expecting?


I was expecting that people would understand that he's more of the same, instead of eerybod falling all over themselves to talk about what a cool reforming radical he is.

I expected too much.
 
2013-09-15 07:02:10 PM

clowncar on fire: Agent Smiths Laugh: Ah yes, Satan, the all-time greatest, imaginary scapegoat for human personal responsibility.

Now that we're pushing for atheism, we'll have to settle on blaming our fellow man instead.

Are you that naïve to believe that it hasn't always been somebody else's fault right from the start?


It's human nature to preserve itself, thus attempting to shift the blame, and therefore any repercussions, for wrong-doing to someone else. From that position, yes one could say we've been practicing the evasion of personal responsibility since always. The Satan concept is superbly accessible for that purpose. It's also a complete sham that doesn't actually absolve responsibility.

/ not saying anything that priest condemns is necessarily wrong-doing, I might add
// contrary to the opinion of some, morality is a subjective measurement, not an objective one
/// the closest it comes to objective is the codification of laws
 
2013-09-15 07:13:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: ChubbyTiger: And from his boss, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

These idiots are not long for the Church. Thank God.

Um, you do realize that those statements are not contradictory, right?

The catechism says don't judge these immoral sick people.  That's what the pope said, too.

He's not going to change anything.  He'll just say it differently.


Compare the two statements. Yes, they are different. Very different, I think, but I suppose we'll see in time.
 
2013-09-15 07:14:10 PM
Good on him
 
2013-09-15 07:14:53 PM

Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.


Funny how the "objective truth" that theists use to condemn someone "they see someone doing something that they think is wrong" changes from theist to theist.

Hmm, if only there was a word to describe something that changes depending on the observers perspective...
 
2013-09-15 07:21:10 PM
You can take your sodomy and shove it up your ass!
 
2013-09-15 07:21:19 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sodomy, abortion, contraception, pornography, the redefinition of marriage, and the denial of objective truth are just some of the forces threatening the stability of our civilization. The source of these machinations is none other than the Father of Lies.
 

Raping little kids still OK, though.


denial of objective truth? Like denying that god is a delusion? That all morals are relative? That the bible is moral corrupt at best and completely immoral at worst? That either you are cherry picking the parts that you like in the bible or you are a lying whore?

Yah, I'll give him objective truth
 
2013-09-15 07:21:57 PM
Just in from taking my teen-aged son and a bunch of his friends to Dallas Pride.  Gettin' a kick.  Also, BEST.SWAG. EVER. (though he gets all the cool condoms...latex allergy...blah, blah, blah...)

Oh, and FARK OFF, padre.
 
2013-09-15 07:22:24 PM
The only thing I really question about losers who post this kind of self-aggrandizing bullshiat is how their childhood went.  You can just imagine these losers being introduced into the tightly-wound superreligious nonsense by having their mothers beat them up because the last episode of Dukes of Hazzard was somehow 'rebald' and such.  This sort of religious squealing always stems from someone being jealous of someone else's sexuality.

In fact, I'd like this asshole to be honest about it:  "I never got many women, I'm jealous, and I bought into the idea that I'm too old to go out and have some good honest sexual fun, and that is being transferred into my impotent rage of being a complete tool who can't break with some sad convention in the community I happened to be unlucky enough to be born in.'  To hell with all this Jesus flanking, Pastor....why don't you just be honest with yourself?
 
2013-09-15 07:23:02 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.

Funny how the "objective truth" that theists use to condemn someone "they see someone doing something that they think is wrong" changes from theist to theist.

Hmm, if only there was a word to describe something that changes depending on the observers perspective...


If morality is all a matter of perspective, then you have no grounds on which to criticize this archbishop, since what he says is true from his perspective.
 
2013-09-15 07:24:13 PM

Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.


2+2 = 4
NaCl is Sodium and Cholrine in equal parts.
The bible is full of immoral acts by the both the profits and leaders and by god.

these are objective truths

/you reject this? explain abraham and isaac; lot and his daughters; and moses and the Midian virgin girls.
/yup immoral
 
2013-09-15 07:26:08 PM
Why is this news? Isn't this obvious? Whether you agree with what he says or not, these are not new sins....

Don't get me wrong, I love me some sodomy, but why is this news? Do people really not know that Catholics and other Christians are against these things and that Satan is the reason for sin?

I am not a Catholic but this

"2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. "

Is absolutely right on. I don't care if you are Christian, Catholic, Muslim whatever, but if you claim to be of this religion accept it. God does not like gays. He destroyed entire cities because of it and other sin.

The churches that change their teachings based on popular opinion instead of what is outlined in whatever book they use is shameful.
 
2013-09-15 07:29:44 PM
Released in this sodomy.
For one sweet moment I am whole!
 
2013-09-15 07:31:16 PM

namatad: Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.

2+2 = 4
NaCl is Sodium and Cholrine in equal parts.
The bible is full of immoral acts by the both the profits and leaders and by god.

these are objective truths


Yeah, but is there any way to make a prophet off it?
 
2013-09-15 07:34:34 PM
glarkware.com
 
2013-09-15 07:39:32 PM

washingtonman: I don't care if you are Christian, Catholic, Muslim whatever, but if you claim to be of this religion accept it. God does not like gays. He destroyed entire cities because of it and other sin.


When did Westboro start trolling Fark?
 
2013-09-15 07:42:48 PM
I know this is FARK and a balanced worldview is frowned upon, but these are the words of my local bishop. No, I am not a Catholic, but I do work for them and I am quite glad to have met this guy. Prior to meeting him I figured all Catholics were the crazy. Mostly, the bad crazy like the Bishop in the article, a few of the good ones crazy like Father Bob Maguire. It is good to know that there are some sane ones too.
 
2013-09-15 07:44:56 PM

Danger Avoid Death: washingtonman: I don't care if you are Christian, Catholic, Muslim whatever, but if you claim to be of this religion accept it. God does not like gays. He destroyed entire cities because of it and other sin.

When did Westboro start trolling Fark?


I am all for trolling Westboro, but you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. I am not affiliated with any religion nor do I abide by their religions guidelines, rules etc.

Also, please be aware that not all Catholics and Christians are Westboro, just like all Muslims are not terrorists.
 
2013-09-15 07:45:01 PM

Son of Thunder: Agent Smiths Laugh: Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.

Funny how the "objective truth" that theists use to condemn someone "they see someone doing something that they think is wrong" changes from theist to theist.

Hmm, if only there was a word to describe something that changes depending on the observers perspective...

If morality is all a matter of perspective, then you have no grounds on which to criticize this archbishop, since what he says is true from his perspective.


Of course I can, because his views violate my own moral code, and therefore are worthy of criticism in my opinion.

Tell me this, if morality is objective, meaning there is one set of fundamental, universal moral standards established by the christian god, then why are there so many different denominations with their own interpretation of that moral standard?

You might answer, "Because we are flawed and fall short of god's moral standard, and just can't get it right."

That response would be erroneous because that would require that the thing exists and that someone at some point observed it, at least enough to attempt to quantify and practice it. But if that happened, where is the evidence of this encounter? Who was it, When was it? Where was it? Was any part of it accurately, demonstrably preserved for observation?

You might answer, "Jesus."

If, however, Jesus is the perfect example of morality, then why didn't he speak against slavery (largely condemned as immoral by both secular and nonsecular sources) or homosexuality (vocally condemned as immoral by many secular sources and even some secular sources)?

If he was the example of perfect morality, then why didn't he condemn those two "immoral" things?
 
2013-09-15 07:48:34 PM
Condoms prevent abortions so:

Does this mean abortions are what God wants, so Satan invented condoms to piss off God?
 
2013-09-15 07:50:23 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Son of Thunder: Agent Smiths Laugh: Son of Thunder: baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?

A thing that some atheists deny exists, until they see someone doing something that they think is wrong.

Funny how the "objective truth" that theists use to condemn someone "they see someone doing something that they think is wrong" changes from theist to theist.

Hmm, if only there was a word to describe something that changes depending on the observers perspective...

If morality is all a matter of perspective, then you have no grounds on which to criticize this archbishop, since what he says is true from his perspective.

Of course I can, because his views violate my own moral code, and therefore are worthy of criticism in my opinion.

Tell me this, if morality is objective, meaning there is one set of fundamental, universal moral standards established by the christian god, then why are there so many different denominations with their own interpretation of that moral standard?

You might answer, "Because we are flawed and fall short of god's moral standard, and just can't get it right."

That response would be erroneous because that would require that the thing exists and that someone at some point observed it, at least enough to attempt to quantify and practice it. But if that happened, where is the evidence of this encounter? Who was it, When was it? Where was it? Was any part of it accurately, demonstrably preserved for observation?

You might answer, "Jesus."

If, however, Jesus is the perfect example of morality, then why didn't he speak against slavery (largely condemned as immoral by both secular and nonsecular sources) or homosexuality (vocally condemned as immoral by many secular sources and even some secular sources)?

If he was the example of perfect morality, then why didn't he condemn those two "immoral" things?


One interpretation of 'disciple' is 'slave'. There are many examples in history of people calling themselves 'slaves of Christ'.

As for slavery, we are all slaves. We just think we are free.
 
2013-09-15 07:50:25 PM
From the Catechism:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex

" exclusive or predominant "
So does this mean every now and again is ok? Or am I reading it wrong?
 
2013-09-15 07:50:36 PM
Attention all you religious people who don't agree with this hate: Leave these hate societies!!

Speak with your $$$ ... it is all they care about. Snake oil salesmen will change the flavor if you stop buying the current stuff.
 
2013-09-15 07:50:49 PM

Prophet of Loss: Condoms prevent abortions so:

Does this mean abortions are what God wants, so Satan invented condoms to piss off God?


Well, maybe, he does seem to favor killing children.
 
2013-09-15 07:53:01 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Prophet of Loss: Condoms prevent abortions so:

Does this mean abortions are what God wants, so Satan invented condoms to piss off God?

Well, maybe, he does seem to favor killing children.


If the result of "killing" is paradise for the kids who get off this miserable rock a little early, the killing of children is only immoral from our selfish perspective.
 
2013-09-15 07:57:55 PM

Prophet of Loss: If he was the example of perfect morality, then why didn't he condemn those two "immoral" things?

One interpretation of 'disciple' is 'slave'. There are many examples in history of people calling themselves 'slaves of Christ'.

As for slavery, we are all slaves. We just think we are free.


Oh I'm well aware of the biblical interpretations of "servant" as it could be read as slave.

Problem is any interpretation that favors servant marginalizes slavery (especially with respect to obvious references to it in the bible), and any interpretation that favors slave demonstrates a god that is pro-slavery. A sticky position for christians.
 
2013-09-15 08:00:16 PM

sweet-daddy-2: From the Catechism:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex

" exclusive or predominant "
So does this mean every now and again is ok? Or am I reading it wrong?


It means even if you're bi, you're gay.  Even if you think about it, you're gay.
 
2013-09-15 08:01:23 PM

baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?


Use of this phrase is a demonstration that one's cerebral cortex has calcified; that one is no longer able to consider any other point of view, and, upon encountering one, has no intellectual alternative but to dismiss it as evil.
 
2013-09-15 08:02:52 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Prophet of Loss: If he was the example of perfect morality, then why didn't he condemn those two "immoral" things?

One interpretation of 'disciple' is 'slave'. There are many examples in history of people calling themselves 'slaves of Christ'.

As for slavery, we are all slaves. We just think we are free.

Oh I'm well aware of the biblical interpretations of "servant" as it could be read as slave.

Problem is any interpretation that favors servant marginalizes slavery (especially with respect to obvious references to it in the bible), and any interpretation that favors slave demonstrates a god that is pro-slavery. A sticky position for christians.


Again, you are a slave in many ways even though you think you are free. Are living the life you would choose? If the barriers erected to prevent you from rising from your station were removed would you continue to live as you do now?
 
2013-09-15 08:03:31 PM

baka-san: What the hell is "objective truth"?


It's a dogwhistle term for "Vatican 2 and all other reforms or changes were and are wrong" much used on the authoritarian right wing of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
2013-09-15 08:04:34 PM

Prophet of Loss: Agent Smiths Laugh: Prophet of Loss: Condoms prevent abortions so:

Does this mean abortions are what God wants, so Satan invented condoms to piss off God?

Well, maybe, he does seem to favor killing children.

If the result of "killing" is paradise for the kids who get off this miserable rock a little early, the killing of children is only immoral from our selfish perspective.


A chilling concept that, sadly, some people have actually acted upon. Doubly so in light of the inability to empirically demonstrate that there is any better destination for the lives of those children.
 
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