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(Addicting Info)   How big of a jerk is Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager? He blacked out parts of the city without warning, trapping people in elevators, to "teach them a lesson"   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 135
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2013-09-15 04:57:31 PM  
13 votes:

violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.


If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.
2013-09-15 05:46:26 PM  
10 votes:

mikeray: Republican appointed not republican


Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.
2013-09-15 03:13:40 PM  
8 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


But giving them notice would not have sent the message.  WTF is this gangland "send a message" shiat?  What's next - you post on the city website flashing your THUG LIFE tats and flashing your emergency management made-up hand signals?

What an asshole.
2013-09-15 06:12:27 PM  
7 votes:

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


I somehow doubt they did those rolling blackouts with no warning, nor did they claim to do those blackouts "To send a message".
2013-09-15 06:50:10 PM  
6 votes:

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.
2013-09-15 06:34:50 PM  
6 votes:

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).
2013-09-15 04:39:35 PM  
6 votes:

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always


No, because those aren't at all the same thing.  Obama wasn't elected and re-elected because of his race, or the race of those voting for him.  He was elected because of policy views.  No one appointed Obama, he was elected by a majority of the people.

Political appointees are typically appointed because they share the views of those who they appoint them.  Obama wouldn't appoint a Surgeon General who wanted to abolish the ACA or a Supreme Court Justice who wanted to completely dismantle the VRA.
2013-09-15 04:34:01 PM  
6 votes:

cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.


Well, he's insulted union members, misrepresented the facts about how underfunded the city's pension plans are, pushed for bankruptcy to leave those pension holders with nothing instead of working to pay those obligations, and has repeatedly disregarded the wishes and policies of the democratically elected mayor of the city.  His actions certainly make him seem Republican.
2013-09-15 03:47:19 PM  
6 votes:

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.


It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.
2013-09-15 03:18:37 PM  
6 votes:

ginandbacon: I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?


Detroit's electrical infrastructure has problems.  There was a heat wave moving through the city, so people were using their air conditioning and putting a load on the system.  The city's emergency manager decided to make repairs on the system in the middle of the day on 9/11 and felt that people using their power was making that difficult.  Instead of giving notice that there were going to be rolling blackouts so that people could prepare, his people just shut power down without warning to large chunks of the city, including Wayne State University and the Justice Building that houses criminal trials.

People were understandable freaked out about this, some being trapped in elevators for hours, and since it was done in the middle of the day in the middle of a heat wave a lot of people were stuck in very hot buildings/rooms/apartments.

The next day the emergency manager's spokesperson said that they shut the power down without warning to 'send a message' because apparently people weren't voluntarily blacking themselves out fast enough, despite there apparently being very little to no warning or request for them to do so.
2013-09-15 06:35:35 PM  
5 votes:

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


In fact in many places it is illegal for the power company to shut off your power during a heatwave or if you have certain medical devices.
2013-09-15 05:28:09 PM  
5 votes:

heap: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.


Population: "You guys set this guy up with this power, and he's abusing the hell out of it!"

Republicans: "Well, he's not one of US!"

/He is literally a person hired by Republicans to do what Republicans want.
2013-09-15 05:18:35 PM  
5 votes:
How could he think this was a good idea? Elderly can die in that kind of heat very easily, not to mention the accidents from inoperable traffic lights. At least hospitals should have had generators or something.
2013-09-15 04:41:42 PM  
5 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


Issue a bench arrest warrant for the two men involved, hold them in jail for a week without a phone call, when you drag them stinking in front of you, slap them with contempt of court and reckless endangerment, set bail at 100 million dollars to keep them in jail until trial.

TADA
problem solved
bwahahahaaha hahah haha hah ahahah haah

/sigh
/these emergency executives are forced to live in the city right? in a house, not a hotel, right? RIGHT?
/carpetbaggers
2013-09-15 04:24:02 PM  
5 votes:
Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.
2013-09-15 07:11:49 PM  
4 votes:
Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?
2013-09-15 06:54:51 PM  
4 votes:
2013-09-15 06:38:56 PM  
4 votes:

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation.


"Cars don't need brakes right now, because my car is sitting in my garage!" -- conservatism
2013-09-15 06:20:51 PM  
4 votes:
You know what else would "send a message"?   Perhaps if a few hundred citizens were to swarm his office, haul his ass out the door on a rail and proceed to strip him and horsewhip him.  That would definitely "send a message" alright.*

I'm kind of a pacifist, get-along-to-get-along type, but when someone literally puts thousands of lives at risk in order to achieve some sort of "political" victory, or abuses their power in such an egregious way and then has the audacity to tell the public that they can't do a damned thing about it?  Well, let's just say that I don't think my fellow citizens have been demoted to citizen-slave status just yet.  You may very well be exempt from political interference there Mr. Appointed Emergency Manager - but there's still ways to hold your sorry ass answerable to the people.

*I'm betting the police wouldn't exactly put up the most heroic of defenses of the guy since they probably took a huge farking hit in doing their jobs as a result of this idiots "teach them a lesson" operation.

How the hell is this any different than Saddam Hussein, or Castro, or Stalin, or Mussolini (or any of the thousands of infamous tyrants from history) did to their people to force compliance with their dictates and orders?   We know what history's fate was for those folks, and quite personally it wouldn't pain me much to see this guy get a similar comeuppance.  (Not death, but a public shaming of a physical nature sure sounds like it may be in order.)
2013-09-15 06:16:35 PM  
4 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

What democracy?


The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.
2013-09-15 06:00:33 PM  
4 votes:
It doesn't really matter what political party he is attached to, and I'm not sure why this thread is filled with that debate....the fact is he endangered the lives of people "to send a message". Eventually these people will cross a line in the sand that will not be tolerated by the masses, and there will be hell to pay.
2013-09-15 05:40:01 PM  
4 votes:
It's hilarious to me that we're supposed to hold out some benefit-of-the-doubt that a republican governor in a republican-controlled state, that has the entire state on republican fascist lock-down,  might have decided to appoint a manager for Detroit who inflicts needless pain and suffering on a republican political target, but is also not a republican himself.

What in the entirety of US history can you point to in order to justify extending that benefit?
2013-09-15 05:31:11 PM  
4 votes:
His party affiliation is of no importance. His acting the way he's acting makes him a giant a-hole who shouldn't be in a position of power. Partisan politics is all well and good, but who cares how this guy votes? This will not end well.
2013-09-15 05:17:35 PM  
4 votes:
I would like for the entire country to be aware of and discuss this.  It needs big time media coverage.  I doubt that will happen.
2013-09-15 05:05:54 PM  
4 votes:
Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?
2013-09-15 03:42:56 PM  
4 votes:
republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.
2013-09-15 03:32:54 PM  
4 votes:

mikeray: Republican appointed not republican


Yes - cuz I'm sure it was a bleeding-heart libtard who flipped the switch off.
2013-09-16 12:39:13 AM  
3 votes:

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.


As has been explained MANY times over to people outside of Michigan who don't understand jack-shiat about Detroit politics, the "Democrat" mayors (and council members) of Detroit are not very Democratic in their policies or thinking, and they are, in fact (and quite provably) simple opportunists who realized Detroit was a money-grab for anyone who put a "D" behind their name on the ballot. Most of those folks were not liberals; they were con artists and criminals who used the people of Detroit to gather power and influence.

Were the people of Detroit naive? Certainly. They kept voting for Democrats when they KNEW the Democrats they were electing were about as Democrat as they needed to be to get elected. But if they'd voted in Republicans, they'd have gotten the SAME PEOPLE, because the only people who get far in Detroit politics are hucksters, criminals, thugs, con artists, people-hating industrialists, and wannabe despots. BOTH sides were packed full of scum.

If you want to talk about a Michigan city that is truly operated and dominated by ACTUAL Democrats, why not talk about Ann Arbor, which frequently shows up on lists of the best places to live in the nation? If you want to talk about Democrat-run cities, then I'd say New York City still does pretty well at representing the kind of city that can be forged when Democrats are in control. There's some bad, and some good, but it's still the biggest, most powerful, most wealthy, most popular city in the entire world.

Detroit is not a Democratic-run city. It's a city that has been passed between criminals for decades, and they affect whatever political affiliation works to get them in power.

Finally, the Republican-owned corporations that left Detroit high and dry after bleeding the city for decades are as much to blame for the state of Detroit as the criminal politicians who fleeced the hell out of the city.
2013-09-15 07:06:05 PM  
3 votes:
And let not forget this nugget of information about this qualified city manager.

Between 2009 and 2012, the state of Maryland's Office of Unemployment Insurance filed four liens against Orr's $1 million Chevy Chase, Maryland, home, for unpaid taxes on child care for his two children. Two liens totaling $15,797.68 from 2011 and 2012 were listed as unpaid at the time of Orr's appointment as Detroit emergency manager. Upon learning of what he described as an "embarrassing" oversight, Orr stated that he promptly paid off the liens the same day

So not only was a deadbeat dad, the "forgot" about almost $16,000 in liens.
2013-09-15 06:46:39 PM  
3 votes:
Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.
2013-09-15 06:14:15 PM  
3 votes:
Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.
2013-09-15 05:57:35 PM  
3 votes:
I bet they use less electricity from now on!

WTF is going on in Detroit? It's like a little banana republic in the middle of the US.
2013-09-15 05:39:46 PM  
3 votes:
By "parts of the city", Subby means things attached to the city-owned power grid, like public buildings and streetlights.  As far as I'm aware, except for maybe right downtown, no private homes or businesses are connected to that grid.  They are all on the DTE grid like the rest of SE Michigan.  Of course, later in the day, storms knocked out a bunch of power lines on that grid too, but that had nothing to do with this.
2013-09-15 05:29:54 PM  
3 votes:

LavenderWolf: heap: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.

Population: "You guys set this guy up with this power, and he's abusing the hell out of it!"

Republicans: "Well, he's not one of US!"

/He is literally a person hired by Republicans to do what Republicans want.


And what Republicans want is to torture people who aren't white, rich, and connected.  The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.  It's totally the party of insecure white guys with penis size issues, and this nonsense just shows it.
2013-09-15 05:11:16 PM  
3 votes:

vpb: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

And and only them.  No non whites voted for him at all.


I like how people can get butthurt about Obama having received votes from blacks as well as from whites in an article about an asshole who maniacally shuts the power to public buildings while there are people in the elevators. That is one sensitive anus right there.
2013-09-15 04:08:56 PM  
3 votes:
Sounds like terrorism to me.
2013-09-15 03:08:07 PM  
3 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.


Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.
2013-09-15 02:57:45 PM  
3 votes:
www.addictinginfo.org

Guess it's not So cold in the D
2013-09-16 01:55:15 AM  
2 votes:
Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.
2013-09-15 07:25:06 PM  
2 votes:
Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?
2013-09-15 07:05:27 PM  
2 votes:

clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.


If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.
2013-09-15 06:55:53 PM  
2 votes:

gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.
2013-09-15 06:52:33 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Here you go.

The key paragraph in case that's not obvious to you:

Novel research from the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies and Johns Hopkins University examines the relationship between power outages and mortality rates. The study, published in Toxicology, finds that, in August of 2003, during the largest U.S. blackout to date, both accidental and disease-related deaths increased significantly in New York, New York.
2013-09-15 06:49:53 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


Political appointments go to political supporters. Skin color does not change based on popularity. The Logic, follow it
2013-09-15 06:48:21 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


They also have some pretty bad thunderstorms, including some on that very day.
2013-09-15 06:38:59 PM  
2 votes:
Really?

The pol tab usually has headlines saying exactly the opposite of what's in the article, or the opposite of reality, and we're going to waste fifty posts whining about the bias of a missing hyphen?
2013-09-15 06:37:24 PM  
2 votes:
My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe
2013-09-15 06:15:16 PM  
2 votes:

The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.


What democracy?
2013-09-15 06:12:17 PM  
2 votes:
So the power grid was ignored by the city for decades and now it is falling apart and is the Republicans fault.  I see how that works.  Should an area or two of high demand users be disconnected or should they wait until the entire region goes down domino style?  Granted it sound like it was done in a dickish way.

Sounds about like the Atlanta sewer system that used to dump raw sewage in the Chattahoochee under a Democrat controlled state house and senate, Democrat Governor, Democrat county leadership and of course a Democratic series of mayors (the last of the useless ones ended up in jail).  It took a federal judge to put the hammer down to spend $1 billion + to fix it.
2013-09-15 05:56:56 PM  
2 votes:
People like this, and the people who appoint people like this, have to be stopped.
2013-09-15 05:50:54 PM  
2 votes:
Republicans:
Is this the type of government action that you think Second Amendment Solutions are for?
2013-09-15 05:40:47 PM  
2 votes:
LavenderWolf: quatchi: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.


You forgot rape.

You know how I know you are not a Republican?

You only mentioned rape once.
2013-09-15 05:36:03 PM  
2 votes:

Hastor: What difference does it make if hes only Republican-appointed instead of a card-carrying Republican?  Let me know if any Michigan Republicans come out and say 'Hey this asshole is out of control!' instead of passive or outright approval?  Then again, nothing is ever the fault of the party of personal responsibility.

Also, not to be pedantic but Obama never won the white vote.  Two elections, two white guys won it instead.  So come up with another bs talking point please.


You're not being pedantic, you're confusing different ideas. "A majority of white people voted for Obama"  is a different concept from "A majority of the people who voted for Obama were white".

I think it's obvious that Obama _does_ care about what the majority of his constituency (who are white) wants, so it also seems plausible that the Republican appointed guy pays attention to what Republicans want.
2013-09-15 05:19:49 PM  
2 votes:
What difference does it make if hes only Republican-appointed instead of a card-carrying Republican?  Let me know if any Michigan Republicans come out and say 'Hey this asshole is out of control!' instead of passive or outright approval?  Then again, nothing is ever the fault of the party of personal responsibility.

Also, not to be pedantic but Obama never won the white vote.  Two elections, two white guys won it instead.  So come up with another bs talking point please.
2013-09-15 05:14:52 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.


^That^
2013-09-15 04:34:16 PM  
2 votes:

cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.


I guess, if you're reading impaired.
2013-09-15 04:18:15 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.
2013-09-15 04:11:30 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.
2013-09-15 04:08:28 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


Obama won with a majority of white voters.
2013-09-15 04:03:08 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: TuteTibiImperes: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.

It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.

THIS.  He's a supporter or a power broker.  That's the whole point of political appointments.  I will say, there's nothing on opensercrets.org... but then, I know I've made contributions, worked campaigns and been politically active, and I'm nowhere to be found there, either.


His party affiliation, if he's a registered voter, would be public record but you usually have to pay to get access to that info. It doesn't seem all that relevant though to the story. Basically, a Republican seems to have appointed an asshole and hasn't taken any steps to remove him from a position he has shown he is clearly comfortable abusing.
2013-09-15 03:56:07 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.

It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.


THIS.  He's a supporter or a power broker.  That's the whole point of political appointments.  I will say, there's nothing on opensercrets.org... but then, I know I've made contributions, worked campaigns and been politically active, and I'm nowhere to be found there, either.
2013-09-15 03:43:33 PM  
2 votes:
How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.
2013-09-15 03:13:32 PM  
2 votes:
I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?
2013-09-16 01:50:37 PM  
1 votes:

Otherwise Just Fine: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

No he didn't. Mitt got 59 percent of white voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Elect io n-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video


The majority of Obama's votes cam from white voters. Got it?
2013-09-16 09:03:07 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "[people] didn't respond as fast as we would like them to, so we had to send them a strong message, by turning off the power."

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they didn't bother to actually try and identify those custumers who actually did reduce their consumption levels.

Hooray!  Collective punishment for all!
2013-09-16 03:41:31 AM  
1 votes:

super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


Exactly

As a leftist paradise, it should have been left alone. But no, some Republican asshole had to force his way in and take on loads of debt to force black people to live on the streets, or something
2013-09-16 03:28:00 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.



It wasn't the democratic party it was the idea of black militanism that went with Coleman Young after the riots he went pure black militant , that nobody want to invest in that city. and he left office in 1994. Then next Mayor was decent but, came of as a "Uncle Tom" with the black community. Then came Kwame Kilpatick, and we all that story if you pay attention. Slowly but, surely will getover are ignorance of racial politics. Yet, it will take time.
/ South- west Detroiter, by family by blood left that shiat hole after dealing coming back from a war a couldn't recognize the place in 2005. Looked liked DRESDEN AFTER WW2 . Thank God ny grandma is out of that shiat hole and, Kilpatrick the last nail in the coffin for me, you wanna see where America is heading go to Detriot.
2013-09-16 03:00:47 AM  
1 votes:
The workers should have refused those orders.
2013-09-16 02:30:07 AM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.


Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".
2013-09-16 02:12:21 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.


Potential loss of life and injury, that's small potatoes. Really. I mean what of real value would have been lost? Important people? Not likely. Nope, we have to save our ire for things with REAL potential for outrage. Like voter fraud, anchor babies, or scary black men branding nice white girls with backwards Bs on their cheeks, or pimps getting public assistance. Focus, woman. Focus.
2013-09-15 11:40:17 PM  
1 votes:

Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.


No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Nadie_AZ: Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.


Detroit had plenty of chances to run itself sustainably.  Amazing how tens of thousands of other towns and cities seem to do okay with it and Detroit was the outlier that failed.  I Will say this and it goes with all aspects of life - if you cant handle your shiat effectively and someone else has to come in and clean it up, there's a good chance that it wont be on your terms and an even better chance you wont like the outcome.
2013-09-15 10:27:21 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: jyoders19: It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.

While Detroit has a lot of debt, it doesn't owe nearly as much as the US as a whole.


This is liberal debt, so it's automatically bigger than normal debt.
2013-09-15 10:02:35 PM  
1 votes:

jyoders19: It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.


Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.
2013-09-15 09:49:13 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts. When more power was being consumed than the system could supply, they started cutting off sections of cities. Thing is, California at least warned us that this would happen and gave us notice about where and for how long. Sounds like this idiot didn't bother. I predict that he'll be tossed out on his ass in order to tamp down the PR disaster he's spawned, but I'll bet they're going to be forced to do this again (with the warnings) when there isn't enough capacity for everyone.

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Enron created an artificial energy shortage in order to drive up prices and then let Gray Davis hang for it.  It has nothing to do with Detroit, nor does it in any way absolve the Republicans from randomly cutting off power to the people of Detroit in order to punish them.  Robocop was not intended to be an instruction manual.
2013-09-15 09:41:24 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Looks like this emergency manager has played Sim City, but only knows the "bulldoze the power plant" solution to all of a city's problems.
2013-09-15 09:16:45 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?

Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.


I didnt mean it as an insult. I literally meant that my brain reads it that way. I'm not dyslexic, the name is just so strange that it feels wrong?

I also have to work to remember that "SE Cupp" isn't supposed to read as "sippy cup."

/I've also been known to read words in eye charts in jumbled letters
//like "apso" as "soap"
///at least I don't think I'm dyslexic
2013-09-15 08:59:10 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure somebody has already pointed this out, but he can't POSSIBLY fark the place up as badly as the idiots who've been charge before him.
2013-09-15 08:54:47 PM  
1 votes:
Republican, democrat, independent, green... I really don't give a shiat. It's despicable regardless.
2013-09-15 08:42:14 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


BECAUSE MOVING IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT TO A LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE NO CONNECTIONS OR NETWORKING!
2013-09-15 08:41:11 PM  
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.


OK now you're into my damn chemical stash and you missed the candy bowl by roughly a parsec.

It's THAT way, ya crazy man.

(points left)
2013-09-15 08:30:33 PM  
1 votes:

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


This is what should've been submitted instead of this blog.

This is why I still read newspapers. You can't find more high quality journalism outside of them.
2013-09-15 08:24:55 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


That's fair, Corbett and the rest of the GOP in PA are already failures, no need to blame Philly's school issues on them.
2013-09-15 08:13:14 PM  
1 votes:
Most of the city was blacked out to begin with.
2013-09-15 08:11:58 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.


Yeah, that's the solution when you're in a frying pan.  Just jump into the fire.
2013-09-15 08:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.
2013-09-15 08:07:30 PM  
1 votes:

The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.


Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.
2013-09-15 08:04:06 PM  
1 votes:

Captain_Sunshine: gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.


And essential services like hospitals, police & fire stations were put on separate grids that were exempt from ever having their power deliberately cut off.
2013-09-15 07:55:55 PM  
1 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: TuteTibiImperes: It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.

Sounds like savings!


Hopefully it will be invalidated in the grounds that they can't discharge the pensions, which will make the whole thing fall apart and they'll have to actually come up with a plan that protects the people of the city instead of screwing them.
2013-09-15 07:51:58 PM  
1 votes:
I am sure he sat in a dark, hot office in solidarity the entire time.
2013-09-15 07:49:05 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".

To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.


It was Orr, the appointed City Manager, who called for the bankruptcy, not the democratically elected city government.  Now, sure, the city had worked itself into some trouble, but there's evidence the city's pension gaps aren't as bad as Orr is making them seem, and there are plans available that could get the city out of its pension issue and make the deficit more manageable without resorting to bankruptcy.

Perhaps more importantly, the structure of the bankruptcy is illegal under Michigan's constitution which requires that any government bankruptcy not deprive pension holders of their pensions.  It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.
2013-09-15 07:41:38 PM  
1 votes:

Rozotorical: Elegy: Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?

So the website made up the direct quote from the city manager, is this what you are saying?


Where did I say the direct quote was made up?

The made up part is the political commentary, that the decision to cut power was somehow being made for "political gain" for republicans or because "this is what power out of control looks like" in republican hands.

I'm sorry you have a problem with basic reading comprehension.
2013-09-15 07:25:46 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


People have lived there for a few hundred years in a decent some what comfortable life style.

Wages dropping over the last fifty years then the entire economy of the state shiatting out killed most peoples savings and ability to get credit. So getting up and relocating your family when you are broke is nigh on impossible.

Do you not live in the same world as the rest of us?
2013-09-15 07:12:44 PM  
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".


To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.
2013-09-15 07:10:41 PM  
1 votes:
Surely there will be lawsuits.

Expensive lawsuits, the kind Republicans adore.
2013-09-15 07:00:21 PM  
1 votes:
Kevyn Orr appears to support democrats, at least based on his donations.

Also a piece of shiat, btw, if shutting off the power like this was his doing.
2013-09-15 06:56:11 PM  
1 votes:

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Because they were planned and coordinated to avoid what happened in Detroit.
2013-09-15 06:53:18 PM  
1 votes:
I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.
2013-09-15 06:52:50 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


It was over 90° in Detroit that day.  THat tends to put a lot of strain on power grids.  I'm also skeptical that the "message" being sent was to anyone other than those who are responsible for keeping the system operating.  They didn't turn off the power to make a point, they did it because they had to, lest the system be damaged even more.
2013-09-15 06:52:44 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.
2013-09-15 06:47:38 PM  
1 votes:

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Because the people on life support get energy from an alternative source (either a generator or they go to someone's house that does have power)

I remember seeing news stories about this sort of specific thing when we had a massive power outage after a storm where I live.
2013-09-15 06:40:21 PM  
1 votes:

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?
According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.
Google search doesn't shine light on it, too
One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.



Okay... Fine... Let's fix it. Change the headline to...
"Here's a little story about the piece of shiat with no known party affiliation that a Republican representative trusted with the city of Detroit."
Happy now?
2013-09-15 06:37:01 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?

 Roight, guv.  Republicans always appoint dagburn Dimmycrat varmints to do do their dirty work.
2013-09-15 06:36:05 PM  
1 votes:
Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.
2013-09-15 06:31:42 PM  
1 votes:
Thank God we have Detroit to make cities like Cleveland and St. Louis feel better about themselves.
2013-09-15 06:20:46 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.

Could have been, this incident needs to be reviewed by the utilities and the state or however that is done in Michigan. Until it is I'm going to shy away from the possible explanation that this appointee is a cartoon villain acting on behalf of shiats and giggles and not the advice of the utilities and city engineers.

He could use some PR help though, maybe Detroit can afford to hire him a PR team.



If you hire a guy to come inspect the trees on your property, and he says one should come down "ASAP," he is not responsible for your attempt to dynamite the tree into the sky.
2013-09-15 06:18:40 PM  
1 votes:

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Well that *did* end in a HUGE honking lawsuit, but it was Enron that was sued, not the governor.
2013-09-15 06:12:32 PM  
1 votes:
In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.
2013-09-15 06:09:44 PM  
1 votes:

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.


How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.
2013-09-15 06:08:23 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.


Could have been, this incident needs to be reviewed by the utilities and the state or however that is done in Michigan. Until it is I'm going to shy away from the possible explanation that this appointee is a cartoon villain acting on behalf of shiats and giggles and not the advice of the utilities and city engineers.

He could use some PR help though, maybe Detroit can afford to hire him a PR team.
2013-09-15 06:06:25 PM  
1 votes:
So Detroit did the exact same thing power companies do regularly when the grid is over taxed.
2013-09-15 06:03:27 PM  
1 votes:
That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.
2013-09-15 06:00:07 PM  
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-09-15 05:55:29 PM  
1 votes:

King Something: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.


They can't. At the minimum, the American's with Disabilities Act would trump any and all state laws on the matter. I'm sure there are several other Federal Laws covering this.
2013-09-15 05:54:35 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.


Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.
2013-09-15 05:53:49 PM  
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freak7: The real cause of the blackout.

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That's just a camera trick. Eminem is a lot shorter than you think.
2013-09-15 05:50:47 PM  
1 votes:

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.
2013-09-15 05:49:26 PM  
1 votes:
From a Reuters article on Wednesday:

Detroit, which sought bankruptcy protection in July, provides power to about 200 customers, mostly government, university and business buildings. Detroit started in August to transfer the customers to DTE Energy Co, Nowling said.
"We need to be out of this business of delivering power and this is a prime example why," Nowling said. "We just don't have a modern grid that is able to handle the load in a thriving downtown business district."
Two of the five main lines that serve the downtown area lost power on Wednesday morning and officials made selective outages to preserve the grid, Nowling said.
"There was a risk of losing more lines coming into the grid and if that happens you run the risk of a larger power outage," Nowling said.


If that Ohio power company had done this sort of thing in 2003, the big Northeast blackout might have never happened.
2013-09-15 05:49:22 PM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: Do I get a badge?

I should get a badge.


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2013-09-15 05:43:27 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


Dude. Don't do that. :(
2013-09-15 05:22:10 PM  
1 votes:
I imagine right now there are a lot of people in Detroit thinking about "sending a message" to their Republican appointed overlord, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
2013-09-15 05:19:57 PM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?


apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.
2013-09-15 04:55:40 PM  
1 votes:
I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?
2013-09-15 04:29:56 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.



Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always
2013-09-15 04:27:10 PM  
1 votes:

King Something: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.


which is WHY you sue the state of michigan in federal court. and you hunt these farkers down and play pinata with them.
2013-09-15 04:25:45 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.


TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?


FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.


Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.
2013-09-15 04:04:49 PM  
1 votes:
Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?
2013-09-15 04:02:59 PM  
1 votes:
i1089.photobucket.com
2013-09-15 04:02:27 PM  
1 votes:
Hell, cutting power at midnight or 2am and just not turning it on would have been less dickish. Well played, Detroit.
2013-09-15 03:30:16 PM  
1 votes:
wjbk.images.worldnow.com images3.wikia.nocookie.net
2013-09-15 03:20:40 PM  
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TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?

Detroit's electrical infrastructure has problems.  There was a heat wave moving through the city, so people were using their air conditioning and putting a load on the system.  The city's emergency manager decided to make repairs on the system in the middle of the day on 9/11 and felt that people using their power was making that difficult.  Instead of giving notice that there were going to be rolling blackouts so that people could prepare, his people just shut power down without warning to large chunks of the city, including Wayne State University and the Justice Building that houses criminal trials.

People were understandable freaked out about this, some being trapped in elevators for hours, and since it was done in the middle of the day in the middle of a heat wave a lot of people were stuck in very hot buildings/rooms/apartments.

The next day the emergency manager's spokesperson said that they shut the power down without warning to 'send a message' because apparently people weren't voluntarily blacking themselves out fast enough, despite there apparently being very little to no warning or request for them to do so.


Thank you. Pretty farked up.
2013-09-15 03:17:12 PM  
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TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


Ah. FFS.
2013-09-15 03:10:40 PM  
1 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.


The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx
2013-09-15 03:05:34 PM  
1 votes:
Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.
2013-09-15 02:47:45 PM  
1 votes:
Republican appointed not republican
2013-09-15 02:39:15 PM  
1 votes:
How's that outreach going?
 
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