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(Addicting Info)   How big of a jerk is Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager? He blacked out parts of the city without warning, trapping people in elevators, to "teach them a lesson"   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 294
    More: Asinine, Detroit, Hall of Justice, Wayne State University, criminal procedure, Governor Rick Snyder, lessons, emergency  
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2013-09-16 12:10:00 AM  

LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.


What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.
 
2013-09-16 12:28:44 AM  

bdub77: Most of the city was blacked out to begin with.


That is so racist, but yes. It is.
 
2013-09-16 12:34:11 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.


Great. Local democrats. Do you want to play the "Let's expose a local political sphere's incompetence!" because I love that game. Basically everybody involved in local politics is usually a douchebag.

Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?
 
2013-09-16 12:39:07 AM  

rewind2846: My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe


Yes. Yes it was.
 
2013-09-16 12:39:13 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.


As has been explained MANY times over to people outside of Michigan who don't understand jack-shiat about Detroit politics, the "Democrat" mayors (and council members) of Detroit are not very Democratic in their policies or thinking, and they are, in fact (and quite provably) simple opportunists who realized Detroit was a money-grab for anyone who put a "D" behind their name on the ballot. Most of those folks were not liberals; they were con artists and criminals who used the people of Detroit to gather power and influence.

Were the people of Detroit naive? Certainly. They kept voting for Democrats when they KNEW the Democrats they were electing were about as Democrat as they needed to be to get elected. But if they'd voted in Republicans, they'd have gotten the SAME PEOPLE, because the only people who get far in Detroit politics are hucksters, criminals, thugs, con artists, people-hating industrialists, and wannabe despots. BOTH sides were packed full of scum.

If you want to talk about a Michigan city that is truly operated and dominated by ACTUAL Democrats, why not talk about Ann Arbor, which frequently shows up on lists of the best places to live in the nation? If you want to talk about Democrat-run cities, then I'd say New York City still does pretty well at representing the kind of city that can be forged when Democrats are in control. There's some bad, and some good, but it's still the biggest, most powerful, most wealthy, most popular city in the entire world.

Detroit is not a Democratic-run city. It's a city that has been passed between criminals for decades, and they affect whatever political affiliation works to get them in power.

Finally, the Republican-owned corporations that left Detroit high and dry after bleeding the city for decades are as much to blame for the state of Detroit as the criminal politicians who fleeced the hell out of the city.
 
2013-09-16 12:49:21 AM  
This is just not possible. Nobody's that stupid/evil.
 
2013-09-16 12:53:30 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Damn. Detroit was a utopian wonderland before the evil GOP took over, wasn't it?


And it's going to be better when they're done with it?
 
2013-09-16 01:36:04 AM  

clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?


Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.
 
2013-09-16 01:55:15 AM  
Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.
 
2013-09-16 02:12:21 AM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.


Potential loss of life and injury, that's small potatoes. Really. I mean what of real value would have been lost? Important people? Not likely. Nope, we have to save our ire for things with REAL potential for outrage. Like voter fraud, anchor babies, or scary black men branding nice white girls with backwards Bs on their cheeks, or pimps getting public assistance. Focus, woman. Focus.
 
2013-09-16 02:30:07 AM  

IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.


Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".
 
2013-09-16 02:41:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: jjorsett: He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts.

You mean Enron is running a scam on Detroit too?  Pretty good for a company that has been dead for seven years.


Hey, if ACORN can do it...
 
2013-09-16 02:56:24 AM  

super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


Math is a social construct? Math? I suggest you never mention this to a mathematician, as s/he is likely to give you a ding on your ear. An empiricist might beat you senseless.
 
2013-09-16 03:00:47 AM  
The workers should have refused those orders.
 
2013-09-16 03:26:37 AM  

rewind2846: My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe


We don't need another hero.
 
2013-09-16 03:28:00 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.



It wasn't the democratic party it was the idea of black militanism that went with Coleman Young after the riots he went pure black militant , that nobody want to invest in that city. and he left office in 1994. Then next Mayor was decent but, came of as a "Uncle Tom" with the black community. Then came Kwame Kilpatick, and we all that story if you pay attention. Slowly but, surely will getover are ignorance of racial politics. Yet, it will take time.
/ South- west Detroiter, by family by blood left that shiat hole after dealing coming back from a war a couldn't recognize the place in 2005. Looked liked DRESDEN AFTER WW2 . Thank God ny grandma is out of that shiat hole and, Kilpatrick the last nail in the coffin for me, you wanna see where America is heading go to Detriot.
 
2013-09-16 03:35:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.


It's actually unclear that no one died because of it at this point, actually.
 
2013-09-16 03:41:31 AM  

super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


Exactly

As a leftist paradise, it should have been left alone. But no, some Republican asshole had to force his way in and take on loads of debt to force black people to live on the streets, or something
 
2013-09-16 03:50:51 AM  

red5ish: super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".

Math is a social construct? Math? I suggest you never mention this to a mathematician, as s/he is likely to give you a ding on your ear. An empiricist might beat you senseless.


Eh, it's sarcasm from a guy who thinks destroying a city to save it is a valid strategy. Or even what's happening in this case.
 
2013-09-16 04:00:06 AM  

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.

Potential loss of life and injury, that's small potatoes. Really. I mean what of real value would have been lost? Important people? Not likely. Nope, we have to save our ire for things with REAL potential for outrage. Like voter fraud, anchor babies, or scary black men branding nice white girls with backwards Bs on their cheeks, or pimps getting public assistance. Focus, woman. Focus.


Right, my bad.

I got hung up in the drama of the moment.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:12 AM  

Amos Quito: Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


www.toddlittleton.net
 
2013-09-16 08:21:05 AM  
It was the demonrats that replaced almost all the manufacturing labor force with robots.
 
2013-09-16 08:54:34 AM  

LavenderWolf: Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?


According to Republicans, treating those people like they're equals.


/But not Detroit's dictator, he's one of the good ones!
 
2013-09-16 09:03:07 AM  
FTFA: "[people] didn't respond as fast as we would like them to, so we had to send them a strong message, by turning off the power."

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they didn't bother to actually try and identify those custumers who actually did reduce their consumption levels.

Hooray!  Collective punishment for all!
 
2013-09-16 09:05:35 AM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


i248.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-16 09:07:42 AM  

red5ish: I imagine right now there are a lot of people in Detroit thinking about "sending a message" to their Republican appointed overlord, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.


No kidding, go ahead and poke the good folks of detroit with a stick. Feel free to antagonize them. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
2013-09-16 09:22:34 AM  
IlGreven:   Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-16 09:41:01 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


And thwe current incarnation of the Republican Party is SOOOOO known for reaching across the aisle, right? Especially when it comes to anything involving government spending... The Party that is driving this country into a whole, not because they specifically disagree with our Democratic President's views, but 100% because he's a Democrat. When his health bill turns out to be basically what they were fighting FOR 5-6 years ago, they try and block it, and then spend all of their time trying to overturn it, their health bill, and THEY are fighting it because a Dem got it enacted.

Sure, he's "not" a Republican. I'm just positive that Rick Scott sought out a Democrat because the GOP is so well known for their rational thinking...
 
2013-09-16 09:47:42 AM  
When asked what he plans to say to the people still "trapped in elevators in 90 degree heat" a still smiling Brown replies  "Who runs Barter Town?"
 
2013-09-16 09:48:29 AM  

lawboy87: Perhaps if a few hundred citizens were to swarm his office, haul his ass out the door on a rail and proceed to strip him and horsewhip him.


Needs more tar and feathers, to be properly traditional politics.
 
2013-09-16 10:08:29 AM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


Fascinating. I'm truly surprised that Coleman Young wasn't the problem. Not surprised at all that Kwame was. I like how they frame it. "Coleman Young may have been a racist dickbag, but he knew money. Kwame didn't know shiat about anything." That I can believe, but obviously I'm biased. :)
 
2013-09-16 10:32:59 AM  

jbuist: Guntram Shatterhand: The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.

Yep!  The really tricky part was getting a Democratic governor to sign the original bill upwards of 25 years ago.  And then getting more Democratic governors to use the EFM law before Snyder got there. The most nefarious and obvious abuse of this EFM scheme that Republicans tricked Democrats into supporting is evident in the transfer of power from Granholm (D) to Snyder (R).  Every EFM that Granholm (D) appointed Snyder (R) renewed. What a racist asshole!


Actually the REAL tricky part was how Rick Snyder expanded the law, fought tooth and nail to prevent it being voted on, and then after it finally did make the ballots and was repealed by Michigan voters, he and his Republican-controlled state Congress passed the same law but made sure that it could never be repealed again.

I'm sure you know all of that, right asshole?
 
2013-09-16 10:40:14 AM  
The surprising thing is how one side argues that "Oh, Granholm used the EM program, so blame them for how bad it is."  Forgetting the fact that it was nowhere near as all encompassing a position during that time, and how Snyder has basically made the EM program into a way to give out little fiefdoms to the people he puts into place.  Plus, the fact that when the people of the state decided to remove the power of EM's from the state legislature through referendum, the state legislature went right around them and reinstated it in a way that the people would have no say whatsoever in it being reinstated.

Yeah, no matter how bad Detroit is, Snyder and his legislature have shown that there are lawmakers (mostly those with a (R) next to their name) that pretty much give lip service to the idea of 'democracy'.  Hell, I don't know why they don't just change their party name, since it's obvious they don't even give a shiat about the republican (note small 'r') form of government.  Maybe they could change their party name to the Corporatist/Authoritarian/Dominionist party (the CAD's)?  Might be a better fit.
 
2013-09-16 10:45:04 AM  

super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.


The strawman is strong with you.
 
2013-09-16 10:55:17 AM  
It's really interesting to see that some Farkers cannot see the difference between being elected to a position and being appointed. If one is elected, in theory, at least, one represents the electorate. If one is appointed (hired, really), one represents one's bosses. That is the crux of the argument against appointing an all-powerful person who trumps all elected government.
 
2013-09-16 11:31:06 AM  
That's terrorism.  Arrest him.
 
2013-09-16 12:08:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Captain_Sunshine: gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.

And essential services like hospitals, police & fire stations were put on separate grids that were exempt from ever having their power deliberately cut off.


Not to mention, the idea that "nobody ever raised a fuss" is absurd, considering that his actions led directly to a giant circus of a recall election and Enron was sued and prosecuted into oblivion over it.
 
2013-09-16 12:22:44 PM  

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.


Of course they are,  Read the article again:
working in the Hall of Justice had no time to prepare. Senior citizens and disabled citizens using elevators in the city's downtown district had no way to know what was coming. The entire criminal justice system was shut down without notice. Wayne State University Campus .

Hall of Justice?  WAYNE state University?   Crumbling dystopian cityscape?  Study it out people...Detriot really IS Gotham
 
2013-09-16 12:38:27 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


White isn't a political philosophy....
 
2013-09-16 01:20:42 PM  

djRykoSuave: White isn't a political philosophy....


Doesn't stop the GOP from using it however.
 
2013-09-16 01:33:32 PM  

ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


No he didn't. Mitt got 59 percent of white voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Elect io n-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video
 
2013-09-16 01:50:37 PM  

Otherwise Just Fine: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

No he didn't. Mitt got 59 percent of white voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Elect io n-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video


The majority of Obama's votes cam from white voters. Got it?
 
2013-09-16 07:31:20 PM  

LavenderWolf: Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?


Signing long-term contracts with the cities unions when the tax base of the city shrunk.  The city could have managed itself effectively by laying off public workers to keep pace with the declining population.  I realize that laying people off is a dismal thing to talk about but has to be done if the citizens are neither there to be served nor there to pay the tax bill.

ZeroCorpse: If you want to talk about a Michigan city that is truly operated and dominated by ACTUAL Democrats, why not talk about Ann Arbor, which frequently shows up on lists of the best places to live in the nation?


College towns dont need to sustain their own economies. They are kept afloat by the university which attracts state and federal dollars both in research grants and students taking out federal loans to go there.  I've lived in several college towns and the parts of the town which are disconnected from the university are generally depressed with mostly service-economies. There's no equivalency.

ZeroCorpse: Detroit is not a Democratic-run city

ZeroCorpse: Finally, the Republican-owned corporations that left Detroit high and dry


your prism of reality needs some serious adjustment.

super_grass: Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


These people vote, Ladies and gentlemen...
 
2013-09-16 10:29:32 PM  
o5iiawah: Herpaderpa unions

And that's why Republicans are just as useless at fixing Detroit as Democrats.

The problem is the economy collapsed (because time and tide wait for no man) and the only thing that stayed there was crime.  Everything else spawns from that rot, and there are a LOT of parasites spawning in it.  You have the useless welfare bums, you have the greed-fueled corporate fat cats, you have the corrupt politicians (mostly democrat, but not all) and through and through you have all the blue-collar crime that always rises up to fill the economic void when the regular industries pull up stakes and walk away.

But no, we have to blame unions, because socialism, because union = evil, because the fact that your boogeyman barely even exists anymore is no reason to stop heaping all your fears on him.
 
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