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(Addicting Info)   How big of a jerk is Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager? He blacked out parts of the city without warning, trapping people in elevators, to "teach them a lesson"   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 294
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2013-09-15 07:17:15 PM

RedPhoenix122: You need to take a vacation. Your work lately has been slipping, and I'm afraid this won't look good on your annual performance review.


I see the last 75,000 words of my post were cut off.  This has been happening recently.  My thoughts have become so profound and complex that computer technology cannot display them.  Let's resume this conversation in 20 years, when computers have finally caught up with me.
 
2013-09-15 07:17:19 PM

Confabulat: Surely there will be lawsuits.

Expensive lawsuits, the kind Republicans adore.


After which the Republicans will resume their arguments for tort reform.
 
2013-09-15 07:21:11 PM

badhatharry: Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.

"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.


Ok define them who do you mean by them? the public? the judge? If he warned the public when was that? What was said?
 
2013-09-15 07:22:36 PM
So this is an image problem.

If you institute rolling blackouts in order to prevent a larger outage (which is what it sounds like what happened), AND THEN SAY "Woops, our bad, this was the best option, we're very sorry", you're good.

If you institute rolling blackouts in order to prevent a larger outage, and then come off like a bad Godfather parody, well then you're farked.

We're also getting this from a site that seems a little fringey, and didn't even mention the rolling blackouts were caused (in part) by a partial power outage that required them to then run rolling blackouts to avoid a complete failure of the entire network, and instead makes it sound like they chose to do maintenance in the middle of the day.
 
2013-09-15 07:23:16 PM

o5iiawah: Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?



Enjoy a city that has been gutted by the auto industry
Run city with less than half of the former population
City is still the same size.
Good luck


After I fixed it, yes, you're doing it right.
 
2013-09-15 07:25:06 PM
Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?
 
2013-09-15 07:25:30 PM

trotsky: o5iiawah: Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?

Enjoy a city that has been gutted by the auto industry
Run city with less than half of the former population
City is still the same size.
Good luck


After I fixed it, yes, you're doing it right.


No, it's clearly because of the Democrats.

They can't run any city right. Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, and Denver are all examples of that.
 
2013-09-15 07:25:46 PM

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


People have lived there for a few hundred years in a decent some what comfortable life style.

Wages dropping over the last fifty years then the entire economy of the state shiatting out killed most peoples savings and ability to get credit. So getting up and relocating your family when you are broke is nigh on impossible.

Do you not live in the same world as the rest of us?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:02 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.


And yet, Gary Brown, who actually stated the quote about having "to send them a strong message" is a Democrat.  Does your partisan batshiattery know no bounds?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:16 PM

Elegy: Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?


So the website made up the direct quote from the city manager, is this what you are saying?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:40 PM

Rozotorical: badhatharry: Jim_Callahan:

"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.

Ok define them who do you mean by them? the public? the judge? If he warned the public when was that? What was said?


Nowling told local reporter Dennis Kraniak: "City grid customers were asked to reduce power, but failed to, so we had to move to intentional outages."
 
2013-09-15 07:28:17 PM

Elegy: Farkers: confirmation bias much?


Republicans confirm my bias every single time one of them opens their mouth.
 
2013-09-15 07:34:20 PM
Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.
 
2013-09-15 07:41:38 PM

Rozotorical: Elegy: Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?

So the website made up the direct quote from the city manager, is this what you are saying?


Where did I say the direct quote was made up?

The made up part is the political commentary, that the decision to cut power was somehow being made for "political gain" for republicans or because "this is what power out of control looks like" in republican hands.

I'm sorry you have a problem with basic reading comprehension.
 
2013-09-15 07:45:52 PM
Unelected official using the infrastructure of a city to "send a strong message" of compliance or else.

Not seeing the problem here.  Smells like liberty.
 
2013-09-15 07:49:05 PM

Jim_Callahan: RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".

To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.


It was Orr, the appointed City Manager, who called for the bankruptcy, not the democratically elected city government.  Now, sure, the city had worked itself into some trouble, but there's evidence the city's pension gaps aren't as bad as Orr is making them seem, and there are plans available that could get the city out of its pension issue and make the deficit more manageable without resorting to bankruptcy.

Perhaps more importantly, the structure of the bankruptcy is illegal under Michigan's constitution which requires that any government bankruptcy not deprive pension holders of their pensions.  It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.
 
2013-09-15 07:50:25 PM
It's call BANKRUPTCY, it's supposed to suck. 

Election have consequences, there's your message.
 
2013-09-15 07:51:58 PM
I am sure he sat in a dark, hot office in solidarity the entire time.
 
2013-09-15 07:54:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.


Sounds like savings!
 
2013-09-15 07:55:55 PM

Soup4Bonnie: TuteTibiImperes: It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.

Sounds like savings!


Hopefully it will be invalidated in the grounds that they can't discharge the pensions, which will make the whole thing fall apart and they'll have to actually come up with a plan that protects the people of the city instead of screwing them.
 
2013-09-15 08:03:56 PM
Detroit, large criminal element, thugs, gangs, and a dictatorship.

Honestly, I'm surprised this guy is still alive.
 
2013-09-15 08:04:06 PM

Captain_Sunshine: gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.


And essential services like hospitals, police & fire stations were put on separate grids that were exempt from ever having their power deliberately cut off.
 
2013-09-15 08:07:30 PM

The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.


Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.
 
2013-09-15 08:10:24 PM

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.
 
2013-09-15 08:11:31 PM
When exactly would the citizens have cooperated?

We learned from Katrina that no amount of warning will get some people to move.
 
2013-09-15 08:11:58 PM

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.


Yeah, that's the solution when you're in a frying pan.  Just jump into the fire.
 
2013-09-15 08:13:14 PM
Most of the city was blacked out to begin with.
 
2013-09-15 08:22:55 PM
Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke
 
2013-09-15 08:24:55 PM

o5iiawah: You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


That's fair, Corbett and the rest of the GOP in PA are already failures, no need to blame Philly's school issues on them.
 
2013-09-15 08:30:33 PM

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


This is what should've been submitted instead of this blog.

This is why I still read newspapers. You can't find more high quality journalism outside of them.
 
2013-09-15 08:34:15 PM

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


But he's never been elected to office AS a Republican! Therefore his party is completely up in the air

/and he's PROBABLY a liberalcratunist anyway!

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


You mean the ones that had massive warnings ahead of time and would that be the governor who DIDN'T sit back and tell the state they had it coming?
 
2013-09-15 08:39:13 PM

Klippoklondike: The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.


BSABSVR?  Frak that!  Democrats didn't install a dictatorship in a city before.  That's a new low, and potentially unconstitutional.

I think Obama should install a dictatorship in Michigan just to give them a taste of their own medicine.  But then, that would be stooping to their level.  (There's a good Twain quote for that one.)
 
2013-09-15 08:41:11 PM

Mike_LowELL: I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.


OK now you're into my damn chemical stash and you missed the candy bowl by roughly a parsec.

It's THAT way, ya crazy man.

(points left)
 
2013-09-15 08:42:14 PM

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


BECAUSE MOVING IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT TO A LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE NO CONNECTIONS OR NETWORKING!
 
2013-09-15 08:45:23 PM
I think a large contingent of this thread is under arrest for violation of Poe's Law...
 
2013-09-15 08:47:22 PM

gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Do you really want to open that Enron-sized can of worms?
 
2013-09-15 08:54:47 PM
Republican, democrat, independent, green... I really don't give a shiat. It's despicable regardless.
 
2013-09-15 08:55:26 PM

He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts. When more power was being consumed than the system could supply, they started cutting off sections of cities. Thing is, California at least warned us that this would happen and gave us notice about where and for how long. Sounds like this idiot didn't bother. I predict that he'll be tossed out on his ass in order to tamp down the PR disaster he's spawned, but I'll bet they're going to be forced to do this again (with the warnings) when there isn't enough capacity for everyone.



i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-15 08:56:47 PM

quatchi: Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.


I wonder what Ted Nugent has to say about this blackout and the gross misuse of governmental power?
 
2013-09-15 08:57:13 PM

Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.


His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.
 
2013-09-15 08:59:10 PM
I'm sure somebody has already pointed this out, but he can't POSSIBLY fark the place up as badly as the idiots who've been charge before him.
 
2013-09-15 09:00:21 PM

MmmmBacon: quatchi: Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.

I wonder what Ted Nugent has to say about this blackout and the gross misuse of governmental power?


Not sure but I've got a hunch it would involve increased gun sales for some reason.
 
2013-09-15 09:01:32 PM

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


My dad works there because he has a lot of family in the area and works in environmental cleanup--cleaning out factories, vac trucks, etc. It pays really well, although the bad economy is affecting how much work he can get. They send him to Texas for work every few years. He was there during the blackout.

/union job
//good pay, holiday bonuses, excellent insurance, etc
 
2013-09-15 09:01:36 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.


So I guess that means Chuck Hagel must have instantly became a Democrat when the Democratic President appointed him Secretary of Defense to carry out orders for a Democratic administration?
 
2013-09-15 09:02:58 PM
Funny, I don't see any mention of a pink slip in this article. Guess they wanted to save the guy the embarrassment of public firing.
 
2013-09-15 09:03:37 PM

born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.


How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?
 
2013-09-15 09:03:38 PM

ginandbacon: His party affiliation, if he's a registered voter, would be public record but you usually have to pay to get access to that info. It doesn't seem all that relevant though to the story. Basically, a Republican seems to have appointed an asshole and hasn't taken any steps to remove him from a position he has shown he is clearly comfortable abusing.


I could look it up in the AM, but honestly, it means jack shiat.

This is jaw-droppingly f--king awful.
 
2013-09-15 09:08:11 PM

LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).


"I don't need it, therefore nobody anywhere needs it." The conservative mindset, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2013-09-15 09:10:56 PM
Pretty indefensible, but, then again, that's why he's there.  To cut costs by any means necessary.
 
2013-09-15 09:12:04 PM

doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?


Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.
 
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