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(Addicting Info)   How big of a jerk is Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager? He blacked out parts of the city without warning, trapping people in elevators, to "teach them a lesson"   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 294
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2013-09-15 06:12:32 PM  
In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.
 
2013-09-15 06:14:15 PM  
Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.
 
2013-09-15 06:15:16 PM  

The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.


What democracy?
 
2013-09-15 06:16:35 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

What democracy?


The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.
 
2013-09-15 06:18:40 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Well that *did* end in a HUGE honking lawsuit, but it was Enron that was sued, not the governor.
 
2013-09-15 06:18:55 PM  

Mentat: IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.

That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.


Most of them don't really like the Republicans, they just need the money.
 
2013-09-15 06:20:46 PM  

violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.

Could have been, this incident needs to be reviewed by the utilities and the state or however that is done in Michigan. Until it is I'm going to shy away from the possible explanation that this appointee is a cartoon villain acting on behalf of shiats and giggles and not the advice of the utilities and city engineers.

He could use some PR help though, maybe Detroit can afford to hire him a PR team.



If you hire a guy to come inspect the trees on your property, and he says one should come down "ASAP," he is not responsible for your attempt to dynamite the tree into the sky.
 
2013-09-15 06:20:51 PM  
You know what else would "send a message"?   Perhaps if a few hundred citizens were to swarm his office, haul his ass out the door on a rail and proceed to strip him and horsewhip him.  That would definitely "send a message" alright.*

I'm kind of a pacifist, get-along-to-get-along type, but when someone literally puts thousands of lives at risk in order to achieve some sort of "political" victory, or abuses their power in such an egregious way and then has the audacity to tell the public that they can't do a damned thing about it?  Well, let's just say that I don't think my fellow citizens have been demoted to citizen-slave status just yet.  You may very well be exempt from political interference there Mr. Appointed Emergency Manager - but there's still ways to hold your sorry ass answerable to the people.

*I'm betting the police wouldn't exactly put up the most heroic of defenses of the guy since they probably took a huge farking hit in doing their jobs as a result of this idiots "teach them a lesson" operation.

How the hell is this any different than Saddam Hussein, or Castro, or Stalin, or Mussolini (or any of the thousands of infamous tyrants from history) did to their people to force compliance with their dictates and orders?   We know what history's fate was for those folks, and quite personally it wouldn't pain me much to see this guy get a similar comeuppance.  (Not death, but a public shaming of a physical nature sure sounds like it may be in order.)
 
2013-09-15 06:21:22 PM  

themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?


They're over in the white cop shoots unarmed black guy thread.
 
2013-09-15 06:23:13 PM  

Skyrmion: gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

Well that *did* end in a HUGE honking lawsuit, but it was Enron that was sued, not the governor.


True - Enron and a bunch of other power manipulators had to pay up after the court case.
 
2013-09-15 06:23:34 PM  

scanman61: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

They're over in the white cop shoots unarmed black guy thread.


I think I gotta go DJ another thread. The last one went so well once I started posting wall-to-wall links to music by black artists.
 
2013-09-15 06:31:42 PM  
Thank God we have Detroit to make cities like Cleveland and St. Louis feel better about themselves.
 
2013-09-15 06:32:54 PM  
I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.
 
2013-09-15 06:34:17 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always


Except for an election and an appointment being entirely different things that entirely alter the subjects, YES, that is HIGHLY logical.
 
2013-09-15 06:34:50 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).
 
2013-09-15 06:35:35 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


In fact in many places it is illegal for the power company to shut off your power during a heatwave or if you have certain medical devices.
 
2013-09-15 06:36:05 PM  
Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.
 
2013-09-15 06:37:01 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?

 Roight, guv.  Republicans always appoint dagburn Dimmycrat varmints to do do their dirty work.
 
2013-09-15 06:37:24 PM  
My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe
 
2013-09-15 06:38:56 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation.


"Cars don't need brakes right now, because my car is sitting in my garage!" -- conservatism
 
2013-09-15 06:38:59 PM  
Really?

The pol tab usually has headlines saying exactly the opposite of what's in the article, or the opposite of reality, and we're going to waste fifty posts whining about the bias of a missing hyphen?
 
2013-09-15 06:40:21 PM  

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?
According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.
Google search doesn't shine light on it, too
One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.



Okay... Fine... Let's fix it. Change the headline to...
"Here's a little story about the piece of shiat with no known party affiliation that a Republican representative trusted with the city of Detroit."
Happy now?
 
2013-09-15 06:40:53 PM  
FTA: He answers to no-one except the Governor. He is not elected and cannot be fired.

No one is immune from the peoples laws. Equal Rights/representation under the law and all that shiat.

It does take longer to drag them into court, but eventually they will be tried and convicted of crimes. That goes for prosecutors as well, who have become a disease in the legal system with their 'plead guilty now or 20 years for littering".

/Hello Mr Bush jr. \0.
//Hi George Zimmerman. \0.
 
2013-09-15 06:45:49 PM  

LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).


Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.
 
2013-09-15 06:46:39 PM  
Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.
 
2013-09-15 06:47:38 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Because the people on life support get energy from an alternative source (either a generator or they go to someone's house that does have power)

I remember seeing news stories about this sort of specific thing when we had a massive power outage after a storm where I live.
 
2013-09-15 06:48:21 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


They also have some pretty bad thunderstorms, including some on that very day.
 
2013-09-15 06:49:53 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


Political appointments go to political supporters. Skin color does not change based on popularity. The Logic, follow it
 
2013-09-15 06:50:10 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:18 PM  

cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager


It can be taken three ways if you add potato.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:33 PM  

badhatharry: Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Here you go.

The key paragraph in case that's not obvious to you:

Novel research from the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies and Johns Hopkins University examines the relationship between power outages and mortality rates. The study, published in Toxicology, finds that, in August of 2003, during the largest U.S. blackout to date, both accidental and disease-related deaths increased significantly in New York, New York.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:44 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


It was over 90° in Detroit that day.  THat tends to put a lot of strain on power grids.  I'm also skeptical that the "message" being sent was to anyone other than those who are responsible for keeping the system operating.  They didn't turn off the power to make a point, they did it because they had to, lest the system be damaged even more.
 
2013-09-15 06:53:18 PM  
I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.
 
2013-09-15 06:54:51 PM  
 
2013-09-15 06:55:53 PM  

gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.
 
2013-09-15 06:56:11 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Because they were planned and coordinated to avoid what happened in Detroit.
 
2013-09-15 06:58:16 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.


You need to take a vacation.  Your work lately has been slipping, and I'm afraid this won't look good on your annual performance review.
 
2013-09-15 07:00:21 PM  
Kevyn Orr appears to support democrats, at least based on his donations.

Also a piece of shiat, btw, if shutting off the power like this was his doing.
 
2013-09-15 07:01:10 PM  
There

TuteTibiImperes: badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.

When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.


There was "a lesson to be taught".  Sounds like there was a few unheeded warnings before the plug was pulled.
 
2013-09-15 07:01:44 PM  
Republicans acting against the best interests of American citizens? You don't say!
 
2013-09-15 07:03:35 PM  

clowncar on fire: ThereTuteTibiImperes: badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.

When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.

There was "a lesson to be taught".  Sounds like there was a few unheeded warnings before the plug was pulled.


Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.
 
2013-09-15 07:03:54 PM  
So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".
 
2013-09-15 07:05:27 PM  

clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.


If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.
 
2013-09-15 07:06:05 PM  
And let not forget this nugget of information about this qualified city manager.

Between 2009 and 2012, the state of Maryland's Office of Unemployment Insurance filed four liens against Orr's $1 million Chevy Chase, Maryland, home, for unpaid taxes on child care for his two children. Two liens totaling $15,797.68 from 2011 and 2012 were listed as unpaid at the time of Orr's appointment as Detroit emergency manager. Upon learning of what he described as an "embarrassing" oversight, Orr stated that he promptly paid off the liens the same day

So not only was a deadbeat dad, the "forgot" about almost $16,000 in liens.
 
2013-09-15 07:10:41 PM  
Surely there will be lawsuits.

Expensive lawsuits, the kind Republicans adore.
 
2013-09-15 07:10:58 PM  

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


Your post would be interesting if Nowling were the Emergency Manager accused of being a Republican.
 
2013-09-15 07:11:49 PM  
Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?
 
2013-09-15 07:12:06 PM  

dennysgod: And let not forget this nugget of information about this qualified city manager.

Between 2009 and 2012, the state of Maryland's Office of Unemployment Insurance filed four liens against Orr's $1 million Chevy Chase, Maryland, home, for unpaid taxes on child care for his two children. Two liens totaling $15,797.68 from 2011 and 2012 were listed as unpaid at the time of Orr's appointment as Detroit emergency manager. Upon learning of what he described as an "embarrassing" oversight, Orr stated that he promptly paid off the liens the same day

So not only was a deadbeat dad, the "forgot" about almost $16,000 in liens.


He paid it the same day he "learned" about it. It must be nice to have $16,000 just laying around. Not bad for government work.
 
2013-09-15 07:12:44 PM  

RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".


To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.
 
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