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(Addicting Info)   How big of a jerk is Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager? He blacked out parts of the city without warning, trapping people in elevators, to "teach them a lesson"   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 294
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2013-09-15 02:39:15 PM  
How's that outreach going?
 
2013-09-15 02:47:45 PM  
Republican appointed not republican
 
2013-09-15 02:57:45 PM  
www.addictinginfo.org

Guess it's not So cold in the D
 
2013-09-15 03:05:34 PM  
Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.
 
2013-09-15 03:08:07 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.


Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.
 
2013-09-15 03:10:40 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.


The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx
 
2013-09-15 03:13:32 PM  
I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?
 
2013-09-15 03:13:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


But giving them notice would not have sent the message.  WTF is this gangland "send a message" shiat?  What's next - you post on the city website flashing your THUG LIFE tats and flashing your emergency management made-up hand signals?

What an asshole.
 
2013-09-15 03:17:12 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


Ah. FFS.
 
2013-09-15 03:18:37 PM  

ginandbacon: I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?


Detroit's electrical infrastructure has problems.  There was a heat wave moving through the city, so people were using their air conditioning and putting a load on the system.  The city's emergency manager decided to make repairs on the system in the middle of the day on 9/11 and felt that people using their power was making that difficult.  Instead of giving notice that there were going to be rolling blackouts so that people could prepare, his people just shut power down without warning to large chunks of the city, including Wayne State University and the Justice Building that houses criminal trials.

People were understandable freaked out about this, some being trapped in elevators for hours, and since it was done in the middle of the day in the middle of a heat wave a lot of people were stuck in very hot buildings/rooms/apartments.

The next day the emergency manager's spokesperson said that they shut the power down without warning to 'send a message' because apparently people weren't voluntarily blacking themselves out fast enough, despite there apparently being very little to no warning or request for them to do so.
 
2013-09-15 03:20:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: ginandbacon: I just can't click on this website since they only pay their writers like fifty cents for one hundred thousand hits or something as equally ridiculous, so anyone want to tell me the details?

Detroit's electrical infrastructure has problems.  There was a heat wave moving through the city, so people were using their air conditioning and putting a load on the system.  The city's emergency manager decided to make repairs on the system in the middle of the day on 9/11 and felt that people using their power was making that difficult.  Instead of giving notice that there were going to be rolling blackouts so that people could prepare, his people just shut power down without warning to large chunks of the city, including Wayne State University and the Justice Building that houses criminal trials.

People were understandable freaked out about this, some being trapped in elevators for hours, and since it was done in the middle of the day in the middle of a heat wave a lot of people were stuck in very hot buildings/rooms/apartments.

The next day the emergency manager's spokesperson said that they shut the power down without warning to 'send a message' because apparently people weren't voluntarily blacking themselves out fast enough, despite there apparently being very little to no warning or request for them to do so.


Thank you. Pretty farked up.
 
2013-09-15 03:28:47 PM  
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-15 03:30:16 PM  
wjbk.images.worldnow.com images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-15 03:32:54 PM  

mikeray: Republican appointed not republican


Yes - cuz I'm sure it was a bleeding-heart libtard who flipped the switch off.
 
2013-09-15 03:42:56 PM  
republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.
 
2013-09-15 03:43:33 PM  
How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.
 
2013-09-15 03:46:38 PM  

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2013-09-15 03:47:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?


How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.

(OK I farkED UP ON QUOTING YOU. I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT. FIXT)
 
2013-09-15 03:47:19 PM  

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.


It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.
 
2013-09-15 03:49:05 PM  
I call racism.
 
2013-09-15 03:56:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.

It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.


THIS.  He's a supporter or a power broker.  That's the whole point of political appointments.  I will say, there's nothing on opensercrets.org... but then, I know I've made contributions, worked campaigns and been politically active, and I'm nowhere to be found there, either.
 
2013-09-15 04:02:27 PM  
Hell, cutting power at midnight or 2am and just not turning it on would have been less dickish. Well played, Detroit.
 
2013-09-15 04:02:59 PM  
i1089.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-15 04:03:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: TuteTibiImperes: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.

Google search doesn't shine light on it, too

One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.

It says Republican appointed, not that he's one himself, though it seems likely that a Republican Governor of a state with a Republican controlled legislature would appoint someone who shared his own political dogma.

THIS.  He's a supporter or a power broker.  That's the whole point of political appointments.  I will say, there's nothing on opensercrets.org... but then, I know I've made contributions, worked campaigns and been politically active, and I'm nowhere to be found there, either.


His party affiliation, if he's a registered voter, would be public record but you usually have to pay to get access to that info. It doesn't seem all that relevant though to the story. Basically, a Republican seems to have appointed an asshole and hasn't taken any steps to remove him from a position he has shown he is clearly comfortable abusing.
 
2013-09-15 04:04:49 PM  
Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?
 
2013-09-15 04:08:28 PM  

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


Obama won with a majority of white voters.
 
2013-09-15 04:08:56 PM  
Sounds like terrorism to me.
 
2013-09-15 04:11:30 PM  

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.
 
2013-09-15 04:16:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.



Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.



Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It
 
2013-09-15 04:18:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.
 
2013-09-15 04:24:02 PM  
Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.
 
2013-09-15 04:25:45 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.


TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?


FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.


Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.
 
2013-09-15 04:27:10 PM  

King Something: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.


which is WHY you sue the state of michigan in federal court. and you hunt these farkers down and play pinata with them.
 
2013-09-15 04:29:56 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.



Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always
 
2013-09-15 04:34:01 PM  

cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.


Well, he's insulted union members, misrepresented the facts about how underfunded the city's pension plans are, pushed for bankruptcy to leave those pension holders with nothing instead of working to pay those obligations, and has repeatedly disregarded the wishes and policies of the democratically elected mayor of the city.  His actions certainly make him seem Republican.
 
2013-09-15 04:34:16 PM  

cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.


I guess, if you're reading impaired.
 
2013-09-15 04:39:14 PM  

propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.


It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
 
2013-09-15 04:39:35 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always


No, because those aren't at all the same thing.  Obama wasn't elected and re-elected because of his race, or the race of those voting for him.  He was elected because of policy views.  No one appointed Obama, he was elected by a majority of the people.

Political appointees are typically appointed because they share the views of those who they appoint them.  Obama wouldn't appoint a Surgeon General who wanted to abolish the ACA or a Supreme Court Justice who wanted to completely dismantle the VRA.
 
2013-09-15 04:41:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


Issue a bench arrest warrant for the two men involved, hold them in jail for a week without a phone call, when you drag them stinking in front of you, slap them with contempt of court and reckless endangerment, set bail at 100 million dollars to keep them in jail until trial.

TADA
problem solved
bwahahahaaha hahah haha hah ahahah haah

/sigh
/these emergency executives are forced to live in the city right? in a house, not a hotel, right? RIGHT?
/carpetbaggers
 
2013-09-15 04:51:16 PM  
Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-15 04:52:00 PM  

ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


And and only them.  No non whites voted for him at all.
 
2013-09-15 04:55:12 PM  

cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager


Again, yes, if you don't understand written language.

/Detroit's Republican, appointed Emergency Manager
 
2013-09-15 04:55:40 PM  
I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?
 
2013-09-15 04:56:40 PM  

propasaurus: cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager

Again, yes, if you don't understand written language.

/Detroit's Republican, appointed Emergency Manager


Why are we arguing over this?

Look in this thread. Many people mistook it.
 
2013-09-15 04:57:31 PM  

violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.


If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.
 
2013-09-15 05:01:21 PM  
i90.photobucket.com

Approves of such tactics.
 
2013-09-15 05:04:57 PM  

basemetal: Sounds like terrorism to me.


propasaurus: cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager

Again, yes, if you don't understand written language.

/Detroit's Republican, appointed Emergency Manager


Detroit is republican, appointed Emergency Manager
 
2013-09-15 05:05:54 PM  
Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?
 
2013-09-15 05:06:08 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.


You just don't understand. He needed to black out large portions of the city in order to prevent large portions of the city from blacking out.
 
2013-09-15 05:08:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

The move royally pissed off a judge:

FTOA:
The 'message' has Judge Craig Strong fuming. Strong works at the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, which was shut down on Monday after a prisoner knifed a Wayne County Sheriff's deputy to escape.  The event started a man hunt that left many people in the downtown area stressed. Strong says,"We're in a building that's already on high alert after what happened on Monday, we don't need any more mistakes.  If they we're going to do this they should have given us notice so we could plan around it."

Read more:  http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23415960/what-is-the-cause-of-detro i ts-power-outage#ixzz2ezRqp9fx


He's not pissed about the shut off. He's pissed he wasn't allowed to play along
 
2013-09-15 05:11:16 PM  

vpb: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

And and only them.  No non whites voted for him at all.


I like how people can get butthurt about Obama having received votes from blacks as well as from whites in an article about an asshole who maniacally shuts the power to public buildings while there are people in the elevators. That is one sensitive anus right there.
 
2013-09-15 05:14:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.


^That^
 
2013-09-15 05:17:35 PM  
I would like for the entire country to be aware of and discuss this.  It needs big time media coverage.  I doubt that will happen.
 
2013-09-15 05:18:35 PM  
How could he think this was a good idea? Elderly can die in that kind of heat very easily, not to mention the accidents from inoperable traffic lights. At least hospitals should have had generators or something.
 
2013-09-15 05:19:49 PM  
What difference does it make if hes only Republican-appointed instead of a card-carrying Republican?  Let me know if any Michigan Republicans come out and say 'Hey this asshole is out of control!' instead of passive or outright approval?  Then again, nothing is ever the fault of the party of personal responsibility.

Also, not to be pedantic but Obama never won the white vote.  Two elections, two white guys won it instead.  So come up with another bs talking point please.
 
2013-09-15 05:19:57 PM  

themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?


apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.
 
2013-09-15 05:22:10 PM  
I imagine right now there are a lot of people in Detroit thinking about "sending a message" to their Republican appointed overlord, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
 
2013-09-15 05:25:20 PM  

vpb: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

And and only them.  No non whites voted for him at all.


Are you talking about the pasty taupes?
 
2013-09-15 05:26:01 PM  

Amos Quito: I call racism.


Do you ever post anything that isn't race baiting bullshiat?
 
2013-09-15 05:28:09 PM  

heap: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.


Population: "You guys set this guy up with this power, and he's abusing the hell out of it!"

Republicans: "Well, he's not one of US!"

/He is literally a person hired by Republicans to do what Republicans want.
 
2013-09-15 05:29:13 PM  
File Photo:

mimg.ugo.com

"Who runs Detroit?"
 
2013-09-15 05:29:54 PM  

LavenderWolf: heap: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

apparently, saying 'republican appointed' is the entire point of contention here.

that's kinda like a defense, but without the benefit of actually being one.

Population: "You guys set this guy up with this power, and he's abusing the hell out of it!"

Republicans: "Well, he's not one of US!"

/He is literally a person hired by Republicans to do what Republicans want.


And what Republicans want is to torture people who aren't white, rich, and connected.  The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.  It's totally the party of insecure white guys with penis size issues, and this nonsense just shows it.
 
2013-09-15 05:30:23 PM  
crudefutures.typepad.com

Approves.
 
2013-09-15 05:31:11 PM  
His party affiliation is of no importance. His acting the way he's acting makes him a giant a-hole who shouldn't be in a position of power. Partisan politics is all well and good, but who cares how this guy votes? This will not end well.
 
2013-09-15 05:32:04 PM  

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?


Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.
 
2013-09-15 05:32:37 PM  

quatchi: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.


You forgot rape.
 
2013-09-15 05:36:03 PM  

Hastor: What difference does it make if hes only Republican-appointed instead of a card-carrying Republican?  Let me know if any Michigan Republicans come out and say 'Hey this asshole is out of control!' instead of passive or outright approval?  Then again, nothing is ever the fault of the party of personal responsibility.

Also, not to be pedantic but Obama never won the white vote.  Two elections, two white guys won it instead.  So come up with another bs talking point please.


You're not being pedantic, you're confusing different ideas. "A majority of white people voted for Obama"  is a different concept from "A majority of the people who voted for Obama were white".

I think it's obvious that Obama _does_ care about what the majority of his constituency (who are white) wants, so it also seems plausible that the Republican appointed guy pays attention to what Republicans want.
 
2013-09-15 05:36:13 PM  

LavenderWolf: quatchi: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.

You forgot rape.


Well, he did expect the citizens of Detroit to lay back and enjoy it.
 
2013-09-15 05:36:40 PM  
Republican appointed. 'nuff said.
 
2013-09-15 05:39:46 PM  
By "parts of the city", Subby means things attached to the city-owned power grid, like public buildings and streetlights.  As far as I'm aware, except for maybe right downtown, no private homes or businesses are connected to that grid.  They are all on the DTE grid like the rest of SE Michigan.  Of course, later in the day, storms knocked out a bunch of power lines on that grid too, but that had nothing to do with this.
 
2013-09-15 05:40:01 PM  
It's hilarious to me that we're supposed to hold out some benefit-of-the-doubt that a republican governor in a republican-controlled state, that has the entire state on republican fascist lock-down,  might have decided to appoint a manager for Detroit who inflicts needless pain and suffering on a republican political target, but is also not a republican himself.

What in the entirety of US history can you point to in order to justify extending that benefit?
 
2013-09-15 05:40:47 PM  
LavenderWolf: quatchi: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.


You forgot rape.

You know how I know you are not a Republican?

You only mentioned rape once.
 
2013-09-15 05:41:18 PM  
The real cause of the blackout.

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-15 05:42:00 PM  

quatchi: LavenderWolf: quatchi: cman: How do we know he is a Republican?

Was he being a dick?

Did he do and/or say something stupid?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sounds pretty Republican to me.

You forgot rape.

You know how I know you are not a Republican?

You only mentioned rape once.


Do I get a badge?

I should get a badge.
 
2013-09-15 05:43:27 PM  

Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?


Dude. Don't do that. :(
 
2013-09-15 05:43:42 PM  

violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.


I'm fine with that.
 
2013-09-15 05:45:36 PM  
Nothing new...when the Super Bowl was in Arlington Texas a few years ago, a few days before hand a massive cool front lowered tempuratures below freezing putting a strain on the electrical systems in the city.

NFL officials had the Mayor institute rolling blackouts in Arlington to guarantee the stadium never lost power. Icy roads with no street lights or traffic lights working made for a dangerous crash filled rush hour. Of course, most people stayed home and slowly froze.
 
2013-09-15 05:45:52 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always


Best use of slashies
 
2013-09-15 05:46:26 PM  

mikeray: Republican appointed not republican


Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.
 
2013-09-15 05:49:22 PM  

LavenderWolf: Do I get a badge?

I should get a badge.


[dontneednostinkinbadeges.jpg]
 
2013-09-15 05:49:26 PM  
From a Reuters article on Wednesday:

Detroit, which sought bankruptcy protection in July, provides power to about 200 customers, mostly government, university and business buildings. Detroit started in August to transfer the customers to DTE Energy Co, Nowling said.
"We need to be out of this business of delivering power and this is a prime example why," Nowling said. "We just don't have a modern grid that is able to handle the load in a thriving downtown business district."
Two of the five main lines that serve the downtown area lost power on Wednesday morning and officials made selective outages to preserve the grid, Nowling said.
"There was a risk of losing more lines coming into the grid and if that happens you run the risk of a larger power outage," Nowling said.


If that Ohio power company had done this sort of thing in 2003, the big Northeast blackout might have never happened.
 
2013-09-15 05:50:47 PM  

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.
 
2013-09-15 05:50:54 PM  
Republicans:
Is this the type of government action that you think Second Amendment Solutions are for?
 
2013-09-15 05:53:49 PM  

freak7: The real cause of the blackout.

[i39.tinypic.com image 500x500]


That's just a camera trick. Eminem is a lot shorter than you think.
 
2013-09-15 05:54:34 PM  
This troll is going to be a tough one to beat and it's going take a man of true character and balls of brass to best him.
 
2013-09-15 05:54:35 PM  

violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.


Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.
 
2013-09-15 05:55:29 PM  

King Something: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

Unless, of course, the Republicans in Lansing pass a law granting complete civil immunity in cases like this.


They can't. At the minimum, the American's with Disabilities Act would trump any and all state laws on the matter. I'm sure there are several other Federal Laws covering this.
 
2013-09-15 05:56:56 PM  
People like this, and the people who appoint people like this, have to be stopped.
 
2013-09-15 05:57:35 PM  
I bet they use less electricity from now on!

WTF is going on in Detroit? It's like a little banana republic in the middle of the US.
 
2013-09-15 05:58:07 PM  
He sent a message?

'All your base are belong to us.'
 
2013-09-15 06:00:07 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-15 06:00:33 PM  
It doesn't really matter what political party he is attached to, and I'm not sure why this thread is filled with that debate....the fact is he endangered the lives of people "to send a message". Eventually these people will cross a line in the sand that will not be tolerated by the masses, and there will be hell to pay.
 
2013-09-15 06:03:27 PM  
That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.
 
2013-09-15 06:05:55 PM  

Mentat: IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.

That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.


Obviously a Liberal plant who tricked a Republican Administration into appointing him to the position, just to sow discontent.

Truly, the perfidy knows no bounds...
 
2013-09-15 06:06:25 PM  
So Detroit did the exact same thing power companies do regularly when the grid is over taxed.
 
2013-09-15 06:08:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.


Could have been, this incident needs to be reviewed by the utilities and the state or however that is done in Michigan. Until it is I'm going to shy away from the possible explanation that this appointee is a cartoon villain acting on behalf of shiats and giggles and not the advice of the utilities and city engineers.

He could use some PR help though, maybe Detroit can afford to hire him a PR team.
 
2013-09-15 06:09:44 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.


How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.
 
2013-09-15 06:10:18 PM  

Mentat: IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.

That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.


Either way, any spelling, I can't find his name in the OpenSecrets donor database.

The message was "GET OUT"
 
2013-09-15 06:12:17 PM  
So the power grid was ignored by the city for decades and now it is falling apart and is the Republicans fault.  I see how that works.  Should an area or two of high demand users be disconnected or should they wait until the entire region goes down domino style?  Granted it sound like it was done in a dickish way.

Sounds about like the Atlanta sewer system that used to dump raw sewage in the Chattahoochee under a Democrat controlled state house and senate, Democrat Governor, Democrat county leadership and of course a Democratic series of mayors (the last of the useless ones ended up in jail).  It took a federal judge to put the hammer down to spend $1 billion + to fix it.
 
2013-09-15 06:12:27 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


I somehow doubt they did those rolling blackouts with no warning, nor did they claim to do those blackouts "To send a message".
 
2013-09-15 06:12:32 PM  
In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.
 
2013-09-15 06:14:15 PM  
Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.
 
2013-09-15 06:15:16 PM  

The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.


What democracy?
 
2013-09-15 06:16:35 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: The Name: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

What democracy?


The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.
 
2013-09-15 06:18:40 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Well that *did* end in a HUGE honking lawsuit, but it was Enron that was sued, not the governor.
 
2013-09-15 06:18:55 PM  

Mentat: IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.

That doesn't technically make him a Republican.  He could just be a liberal Democrat who really likes Republicans.


Most of them don't really like the Republicans, they just need the money.
 
2013-09-15 06:20:46 PM  

violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

Yeah, obviously that's the only other option.

Could have been, this incident needs to be reviewed by the utilities and the state or however that is done in Michigan. Until it is I'm going to shy away from the possible explanation that this appointee is a cartoon villain acting on behalf of shiats and giggles and not the advice of the utilities and city engineers.

He could use some PR help though, maybe Detroit can afford to hire him a PR team.



If you hire a guy to come inspect the trees on your property, and he says one should come down "ASAP," he is not responsible for your attempt to dynamite the tree into the sky.
 
2013-09-15 06:20:51 PM  
You know what else would "send a message"?   Perhaps if a few hundred citizens were to swarm his office, haul his ass out the door on a rail and proceed to strip him and horsewhip him.  That would definitely "send a message" alright.*

I'm kind of a pacifist, get-along-to-get-along type, but when someone literally puts thousands of lives at risk in order to achieve some sort of "political" victory, or abuses their power in such an egregious way and then has the audacity to tell the public that they can't do a damned thing about it?  Well, let's just say that I don't think my fellow citizens have been demoted to citizen-slave status just yet.  You may very well be exempt from political interference there Mr. Appointed Emergency Manager - but there's still ways to hold your sorry ass answerable to the people.

*I'm betting the police wouldn't exactly put up the most heroic of defenses of the guy since they probably took a huge farking hit in doing their jobs as a result of this idiots "teach them a lesson" operation.

How the hell is this any different than Saddam Hussein, or Castro, or Stalin, or Mussolini (or any of the thousands of infamous tyrants from history) did to their people to force compliance with their dictates and orders?   We know what history's fate was for those folks, and quite personally it wouldn't pain me much to see this guy get a similar comeuppance.  (Not death, but a public shaming of a physical nature sure sounds like it may be in order.)
 
2013-09-15 06:21:22 PM  

themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?


They're over in the white cop shoots unarmed black guy thread.
 
2013-09-15 06:23:13 PM  

Skyrmion: gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

Well that *did* end in a HUGE honking lawsuit, but it was Enron that was sued, not the governor.


True - Enron and a bunch of other power manipulators had to pay up after the court case.
 
2013-09-15 06:23:34 PM  

scanman61: themindiswatching: I'm surprised there's not a more vigorous defense of this guy in this thread. Do the trolls have today off or something?

They're over in the white cop shoots unarmed black guy thread.


I think I gotta go DJ another thread. The last one went so well once I started posting wall-to-wall links to music by black artists.
 
2013-09-15 06:31:42 PM  
Thank God we have Detroit to make cities like Cleveland and St. Louis feel better about themselves.
 
2013-09-15 06:32:54 PM  
I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.
 
2013-09-15 06:34:17 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


Obviously, the intended implication of both the headline and the article is that REPUBLICANS mercilessly cut power to Detroit without warning.

Following this "logic", it could also be said that anything Obama does is done at the behest of whites - as the majority of votes that put him in office came from whites.

Does the logic make sense in either case?


/ The premise
// Check it
/// Always


Except for an election and an appointment being entirely different things that entirely alter the subjects, YES, that is HIGHLY logical.
 
2013-09-15 06:34:50 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).
 
2013-09-15 06:35:35 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


In fact in many places it is illegal for the power company to shut off your power during a heatwave or if you have certain medical devices.
 
2013-09-15 06:36:05 PM  
Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.
 
2013-09-15 06:37:01 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?

 Roight, guv.  Republicans always appoint dagburn Dimmycrat varmints to do do their dirty work.
 
2013-09-15 06:37:24 PM  
My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe
 
2013-09-15 06:38:56 PM  

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation.


"Cars don't need brakes right now, because my car is sitting in my garage!" -- conservatism
 
2013-09-15 06:38:59 PM  
Really?

The pol tab usually has headlines saying exactly the opposite of what's in the article, or the opposite of reality, and we're going to waste fifty posts whining about the bias of a missing hyphen?
 
2013-09-15 06:40:21 PM  

cman: How do we know he is a Republican?
According to Wikipedia he has no political activities. He is a lawyer.
Google search doesn't shine light on it, too
One blog says he is a Democrat with ties to labor. But its a blog, and we know how inaccurate they can be.



Okay... Fine... Let's fix it. Change the headline to...
"Here's a little story about the piece of shiat with no known party affiliation that a Republican representative trusted with the city of Detroit."
Happy now?
 
2013-09-15 06:40:53 PM  
FTA: He answers to no-one except the Governor. He is not elected and cannot be fired.

No one is immune from the peoples laws. Equal Rights/representation under the law and all that shiat.

It does take longer to drag them into court, but eventually they will be tried and convicted of crimes. That goes for prosecutors as well, who have become a disease in the legal system with their 'plead guilty now or 20 years for littering".

/Hello Mr Bush jr. \0.
//Hi George Zimmerman. \0.
 
2013-09-15 06:45:49 PM  

LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).


Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.
 
2013-09-15 06:46:39 PM  
Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.


Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.
 
2013-09-15 06:47:38 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Because the people on life support get energy from an alternative source (either a generator or they go to someone's house that does have power)

I remember seeing news stories about this sort of specific thing when we had a massive power outage after a storm where I live.
 
2013-09-15 06:48:21 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


They also have some pretty bad thunderstorms, including some on that very day.
 
2013-09-15 06:49:53 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


Political appointments go to political supporters. Skin color does not change based on popularity. The Logic, follow it
 
2013-09-15 06:50:10 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:18 PM  

cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager


It can be taken three ways if you add potato.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:33 PM  

badhatharry: Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


Here you go.

The key paragraph in case that's not obvious to you:

Novel research from the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies and Johns Hopkins University examines the relationship between power outages and mortality rates. The study, published in Toxicology, finds that, in August of 2003, during the largest U.S. blackout to date, both accidental and disease-related deaths increased significantly in New York, New York.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:44 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.
 
2013-09-15 06:52:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.


It was over 90° in Detroit that day.  THat tends to put a lot of strain on power grids.  I'm also skeptical that the "message" being sent was to anyone other than those who are responsible for keeping the system operating.  They didn't turn off the power to make a point, they did it because they had to, lest the system be damaged even more.
 
2013-09-15 06:53:18 PM  
I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.
 
2013-09-15 06:54:51 PM  
 
2013-09-15 06:55:53 PM  

gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.
 
2013-09-15 06:56:11 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Because they were planned and coordinated to avoid what happened in Detroit.
 
2013-09-15 06:58:16 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.


You need to take a vacation.  Your work lately has been slipping, and I'm afraid this won't look good on your annual performance review.
 
2013-09-15 07:00:21 PM  
Kevyn Orr appears to support democrats, at least based on his donations.

Also a piece of shiat, btw, if shutting off the power like this was his doing.
 
2013-09-15 07:01:10 PM  
There

TuteTibiImperes: badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.

When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.


There was "a lesson to be taught".  Sounds like there was a few unheeded warnings before the plug was pulled.
 
2013-09-15 07:01:44 PM  
Republicans acting against the best interests of American citizens? You don't say!
 
2013-09-15 07:03:35 PM  

clowncar on fire: ThereTuteTibiImperes: badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.

When a major storm or blizzard is rolling through you know it and can take the necessary precautions.  On a clear summer's day no one expects the power to suddenly go out because someone let Snidely Whiplash into the room with the master switch.

There was "a lesson to be taught".  Sounds like there was a few unheeded warnings before the plug was pulled.


Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.
 
2013-09-15 07:03:54 PM  
So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".
 
2013-09-15 07:05:27 PM  

clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.


If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.
 
2013-09-15 07:06:05 PM  
And let not forget this nugget of information about this qualified city manager.

Between 2009 and 2012, the state of Maryland's Office of Unemployment Insurance filed four liens against Orr's $1 million Chevy Chase, Maryland, home, for unpaid taxes on child care for his two children. Two liens totaling $15,797.68 from 2011 and 2012 were listed as unpaid at the time of Orr's appointment as Detroit emergency manager. Upon learning of what he described as an "embarrassing" oversight, Orr stated that he promptly paid off the liens the same day

So not only was a deadbeat dad, the "forgot" about almost $16,000 in liens.
 
2013-09-15 07:10:41 PM  
Surely there will be lawsuits.

Expensive lawsuits, the kind Republicans adore.
 
2013-09-15 07:10:58 PM  

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


Your post would be interesting if Nowling were the Emergency Manager accused of being a Republican.
 
2013-09-15 07:11:49 PM  
Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?
 
2013-09-15 07:12:06 PM  

dennysgod: And let not forget this nugget of information about this qualified city manager.

Between 2009 and 2012, the state of Maryland's Office of Unemployment Insurance filed four liens against Orr's $1 million Chevy Chase, Maryland, home, for unpaid taxes on child care for his two children. Two liens totaling $15,797.68 from 2011 and 2012 were listed as unpaid at the time of Orr's appointment as Detroit emergency manager. Upon learning of what he described as an "embarrassing" oversight, Orr stated that he promptly paid off the liens the same day

So not only was a deadbeat dad, the "forgot" about almost $16,000 in liens.


He paid it the same day he "learned" about it. It must be nice to have $16,000 just laying around. Not bad for government work.
 
2013-09-15 07:12:44 PM  

RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".


To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.
 
2013-09-15 07:17:15 PM  

RedPhoenix122: You need to take a vacation. Your work lately has been slipping, and I'm afraid this won't look good on your annual performance review.


I see the last 75,000 words of my post were cut off.  This has been happening recently.  My thoughts have become so profound and complex that computer technology cannot display them.  Let's resume this conversation in 20 years, when computers have finally caught up with me.
 
2013-09-15 07:17:19 PM  

Confabulat: Surely there will be lawsuits.

Expensive lawsuits, the kind Republicans adore.


After which the Republicans will resume their arguments for tort reform.
 
2013-09-15 07:21:11 PM  

badhatharry: Jim_Callahan: Dear dipshiat:

Shutting off utilities intentionally without notice is quite literally illegal.  You're really farking lucky your stunt didn't get anyone killed, because death resulting from negligence would be manslaughter, and you'd be dealing with a criminal charge with jail time instead of just the massive flood of essentially-automatic civil judgments you just earned the city.

What's your next trick going to be, publicly confessing to first-degree murder?

Sincerely,

Sane People

badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Even in the case of nonpayment, note that they still legally have to warn you, and in some states give you some leeway between the late bill and the actual shutting off of the power.

Randomly shutting your shiat off without warning?  Crime.  Also tends to kill people that just, say, happened to be running their dialysis machine at the time rather than just the ones so stupidly unprepared they were bound to beat themselves to death trying to operate a doorknob anyhow.

"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.


Ok define them who do you mean by them? the public? the judge? If he warned the public when was that? What was said?
 
2013-09-15 07:22:36 PM  
So this is an image problem.

If you institute rolling blackouts in order to prevent a larger outage (which is what it sounds like what happened), AND THEN SAY "Woops, our bad, this was the best option, we're very sorry", you're good.

If you institute rolling blackouts in order to prevent a larger outage, and then come off like a bad Godfather parody, well then you're farked.

We're also getting this from a site that seems a little fringey, and didn't even mention the rolling blackouts were caused (in part) by a partial power outage that required them to then run rolling blackouts to avoid a complete failure of the entire network, and instead makes it sound like they chose to do maintenance in the middle of the day.
 
2013-09-15 07:23:16 PM  

o5iiawah: Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?



Enjoy a city that has been gutted by the auto industry
Run city with less than half of the former population
City is still the same size.
Good luck


After I fixed it, yes, you're doing it right.
 
2013-09-15 07:25:06 PM  
Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?
 
2013-09-15 07:25:30 PM  

trotsky: o5iiawah: Enjoy 60 years of power in control of a city
Run city into the ground financially
blame republicans

Am I doing it right?

Enjoy a city that has been gutted by the auto industry
Run city with less than half of the former population
City is still the same size.
Good luck


After I fixed it, yes, you're doing it right.


No, it's clearly because of the Democrats.

They can't run any city right. Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, and Denver are all examples of that.
 
2013-09-15 07:25:46 PM  

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


People have lived there for a few hundred years in a decent some what comfortable life style.

Wages dropping over the last fifty years then the entire economy of the state shiatting out killed most peoples savings and ability to get credit. So getting up and relocating your family when you are broke is nigh on impossible.

Do you not live in the same world as the rest of us?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:02 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.


And yet, Gary Brown, who actually stated the quote about having "to send them a strong message" is a Democrat.  Does your partisan batshiattery know no bounds?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:16 PM  

Elegy: Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?


So the website made up the direct quote from the city manager, is this what you are saying?
 
2013-09-15 07:27:40 PM  

Rozotorical: badhatharry: Jim_Callahan:

"Sending a message" wouldn't make any sense unless he warned them.  They wouldn't know what the message was.

Ok define them who do you mean by them? the public? the judge? If he warned the public when was that? What was said?


Nowling told local reporter Dennis Kraniak: "City grid customers were asked to reduce power, but failed to, so we had to move to intentional outages."
 
2013-09-15 07:28:17 PM  

Elegy: Farkers: confirmation bias much?


Republicans confirm my bias every single time one of them opens their mouth.
 
2013-09-15 07:34:20 PM  
Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.
 
2013-09-15 07:41:38 PM  

Rozotorical: Elegy: Literally every article I've found on this incident: an aging power grid and excessive demands forced Detroit to shut down non-essential parts of the grid to preserve the critical portions.

One website that even the Daily Kos has noted is horrifically biased and frequently posts outright lies with a "leftist" slant: Republicans did this for political gain.

Farkers: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.

So, my question, Farkers: confirmation bias much?

So the website made up the direct quote from the city manager, is this what you are saying?


Where did I say the direct quote was made up?

The made up part is the political commentary, that the decision to cut power was somehow being made for "political gain" for republicans or because "this is what power out of control looks like" in republican hands.

I'm sorry you have a problem with basic reading comprehension.
 
2013-09-15 07:45:52 PM  
Unelected official using the infrastructure of a city to "send a strong message" of compliance or else.

Not seeing the problem here.  Smells like liberty.
 
2013-09-15 07:49:05 PM  

Jim_Callahan: RedPhoenix122: So, Republican appointed?  So THIS is what they meant by "small government".

To be absolutely fair, the key word is probably "Detroit".  They're pretty cleanly farked at the city level, and the logical place to drop the blame is probably on whatever party runs the  city politics, since those are the dipshiats that declared bankruptcy (and ran things to the point it was necessary).  Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy that the city forced him to help implement through independent action is pretty buck-passing crazy, there.

//I don't actually know which party runs Detroit's local politics, but historically I would suspect that the GOP ain't it.
//And of course the really proper place to locate anger is the EM himself, because no matter how you vote, what the flippin' fark is this shiat.


It was Orr, the appointed City Manager, who called for the bankruptcy, not the democratically elected city government.  Now, sure, the city had worked itself into some trouble, but there's evidence the city's pension gaps aren't as bad as Orr is making them seem, and there are plans available that could get the city out of its pension issue and make the deficit more manageable without resorting to bankruptcy.

Perhaps more importantly, the structure of the bankruptcy is illegal under Michigan's constitution which requires that any government bankruptcy not deprive pension holders of their pensions.  It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.
 
2013-09-15 07:50:25 PM  
It's call BANKRUPTCY, it's supposed to suck. 

Election have consequences, there's your message.
 
2013-09-15 07:51:58 PM  
I am sure he sat in a dark, hot office in solidarity the entire time.
 
2013-09-15 07:54:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.


Sounds like savings!
 
2013-09-15 07:55:55 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: TuteTibiImperes: It has been challenged in court, with mediation and more hearings set for October.

Sounds like savings!


Hopefully it will be invalidated in the grounds that they can't discharge the pensions, which will make the whole thing fall apart and they'll have to actually come up with a plan that protects the people of the city instead of screwing them.
 
2013-09-15 08:03:56 PM  
Detroit, large criminal element, thugs, gangs, and a dictatorship.

Honestly, I'm surprised this guy is still alive.
 
2013-09-15 08:04:06 PM  

Captain_Sunshine: gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.


And essential services like hospitals, police & fire stations were put on separate grids that were exempt from ever having their power deliberately cut off.
 
2013-09-15 08:07:30 PM  

The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.


Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.
 
2013-09-15 08:10:24 PM  

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.
 
2013-09-15 08:11:31 PM  
When exactly would the citizens have cooperated?

We learned from Katrina that no amount of warning will get some people to move.
 
2013-09-15 08:11:58 PM  

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.


Yeah, that's the solution when you're in a frying pan.  Just jump into the fire.
 
2013-09-15 08:13:14 PM  
Most of the city was blacked out to begin with.
 
2013-09-15 08:22:55 PM  
Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke
 
2013-09-15 08:24:55 PM  

o5iiawah: You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


That's fair, Corbett and the rest of the GOP in PA are already failures, no need to blame Philly's school issues on them.
 
2013-09-15 08:30:33 PM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


This is what should've been submitted instead of this blog.

This is why I still read newspapers. You can't find more high quality journalism outside of them.
 
2013-09-15 08:34:15 PM  

IMDWalrus: mikeray: Republican appointed not republican

Uh, thirty seconds on Google found this:

Nowling is a longtime GOP spokesman and strategist. After serving as communications director and spokesman for Gov. Rick Snyder's campaign and transition team, he joined Duffey Petrosky Advertising in Farmington Hills before joining Orr's team.

So...yeah.  Republican.


But he's never been elected to office AS a Republican! Therefore his party is completely up in the air

/and he's PROBABLY a liberalcratunist anyway!

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


You mean the ones that had massive warnings ahead of time and would that be the governor who DIDN'T sit back and tell the state they had it coming?
 
2013-09-15 08:39:13 PM  

Klippoklondike: The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.


BSABSVR?  Frak that!  Democrats didn't install a dictatorship in a city before.  That's a new low, and potentially unconstitutional.

I think Obama should install a dictatorship in Michigan just to give them a taste of their own medicine.  But then, that would be stooping to their level.  (There's a good Twain quote for that one.)
 
2013-09-15 08:41:11 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I don't see the problem with this.  This protected the city from terrorism and child pornography.  How?  I'll tell you how.


OK now you're into my damn chemical stash and you missed the candy bowl by roughly a parsec.

It's THAT way, ya crazy man.

(points left)
 
2013-09-15 08:42:14 PM  

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


BECAUSE MOVING IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT TO A LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE NO CONNECTIONS OR NETWORKING!
 
2013-09-15 08:45:23 PM  
I think a large contingent of this thread is under arrest for violation of Poe's Law...
 
2013-09-15 08:47:22 PM  

gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


Do you really want to open that Enron-sized can of worms?
 
2013-09-15 08:54:47 PM  
Republican, democrat, independent, green... I really don't give a shiat. It's despicable regardless.
 
2013-09-15 08:55:26 PM  

He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts. When more power was being consumed than the system could supply, they started cutting off sections of cities. Thing is, California at least warned us that this would happen and gave us notice about where and for how long. Sounds like this idiot didn't bother. I predict that he'll be tossed out on his ass in order to tamp down the PR disaster he's spawned, but I'll bet they're going to be forced to do this again (with the warnings) when there isn't enough capacity for everyone.



i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-15 08:56:47 PM  

quatchi: Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.


I wonder what Ted Nugent has to say about this blackout and the gross misuse of governmental power?
 
2013-09-15 08:57:13 PM  

Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.


His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.
 
2013-09-15 08:59:10 PM  
I'm sure somebody has already pointed this out, but he can't POSSIBLY fark the place up as badly as the idiots who've been charge before him.
 
2013-09-15 09:00:21 PM  

MmmmBacon: quatchi: Madness is what this is.

Motor City Madness.

I wonder what Ted Nugent has to say about this blackout and the gross misuse of governmental power?


Not sure but I've got a hunch it would involve increased gun sales for some reason.
 
2013-09-15 09:01:32 PM  

FormlessOne: Why is anyone still living or working in Detroit!?


My dad works there because he has a lot of family in the area and works in environmental cleanup--cleaning out factories, vac trucks, etc. It pays really well, although the bad economy is affecting how much work he can get. They send him to Texas for work every few years. He was there during the blackout.

/union job
//good pay, holiday bonuses, excellent insurance, etc
 
2013-09-15 09:01:36 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Hahaha, this farking thread. "Just because this piece of trash was appointed by a Republican to implement a Republican scheme doesn't make him a Republican!" God damn. Republicans are the most pathetic pieces of shiat on the planet.


So I guess that means Chuck Hagel must have instantly became a Democrat when the Democratic President appointed him Secretary of Defense to carry out orders for a Democratic administration?
 
2013-09-15 09:02:58 PM  
Funny, I don't see any mention of a pink slip in this article. Guess they wanted to save the guy the embarrassment of public firing.
 
2013-09-15 09:03:37 PM  

born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.


How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?
 
2013-09-15 09:03:38 PM  

ginandbacon: His party affiliation, if he's a registered voter, would be public record but you usually have to pay to get access to that info. It doesn't seem all that relevant though to the story. Basically, a Republican seems to have appointed an asshole and hasn't taken any steps to remove him from a position he has shown he is clearly comfortable abusing.


I could look it up in the AM, but honestly, it means jack shiat.

This is jaw-droppingly f--king awful.
 
2013-09-15 09:08:11 PM  

LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).


"I don't need it, therefore nobody anywhere needs it." The conservative mindset, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2013-09-15 09:10:56 PM  
Pretty indefensible, but, then again, that's why he's there.  To cut costs by any means necessary.
 
2013-09-15 09:12:04 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?


Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.
 
2013-09-15 09:13:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Blaming the party of the state governor because he appointed the positions he's legally required to appoint to implement the bankruptcy


Legally required due to a law he and the Republican-controlled state legislature pushed through almost immediately after it had been overturned by referendum, if I'm not mistaken?
 
2013-09-15 09:15:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.


All of these. And especially the last one. And when you make your statement that the blackouts were intended to send a message, try not to smirk like Mitt Romney laughing over dead Americans in Libya.

I mean, they got lucky here, but this could have gone horrifically awry (and it may have, if it transpires that anyone died because of it). California's rolling blackouts gave places like hospitals, jails and nursing homes plenty of warning so they could switch over to secondary power sources for things like, you know, ventilators and emergency gates and elevators. I can only imagine the terror and panic for someone locked in a courtroom with a murder suspect, or in a nursing home with six patients on life support.
 
2013-09-15 09:16:31 PM  

jjorsett: doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?

Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.


To be fair, he's doing a great job of that on his own.

Of his 5 priorities for the RNC he's managed to royally bungle at least three - Outreach, Minority and Young Voters, and Debates.
 
2013-09-15 09:16:45 PM  

jjorsett: doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?

Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.


I didnt mean it as an insult. I literally meant that my brain reads it that way. I'm not dyslexic, the name is just so strange that it feels wrong?

I also have to work to remember that "SE Cupp" isn't supposed to read as "sippy cup."

/I've also been known to read words in eye charts in jumbled letters
//like "apso" as "soap"
///at least I don't think I'm dyslexic
 
2013-09-15 09:17:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: TuteTibiImperes: violentsalvation: Oh dear god lets just let the entire city lose power midst a heatwave then. Farking pathetic, subby.

If you need to shut down part of the grid to make repairs you could plan the work for the middle of the night when temperatures are cooler and people at work or school won't be as effected, or you could at a minimum make sure that people know it's coming so that they're not in an elevator or in the middle of a conducting a criminal trial when the lights suddenly go out.

You might also want to think about not conducting unannounced intentional blackouts on a day where everyone has terrorist attacks somewhere in the back of their minds.

You'd also be advised not to make a statement the next day saying that the blackouts were intended to 'send a message'.

All of these. And especially the last one. And when you make your statement that the blackouts were intended to send a message, try not to smirk like Mitt Romney laughing over dead Americans in Libya.

I mean, they got lucky here, but this could have gone horrifically awry (and it may have, if it transpires that anyone died because of it). California's rolling blackouts gave places like hospitals, jails and nursing homes plenty of warning so they could switch over to secondary power sources for things like, you know, ventilators and emergency gates and elevators. I can only imagine the terror and panic for someone locked in a courtroom with a murder suspect, or in a nursing home with six patients on life support.


And on 9-11 to boot.  What an absolutely incompetent ass.
 
2013-09-15 09:21:56 PM  

o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.


They have fair cause to be pissed off at Corbett.  Conservatives have an irrational fear of deficits, as well as of taxes.  Sure, the deficit eventually needs to be paid, but plans could be made to do it over time so that the impact would be minimal, and to raise taxes to help reduce the needs for spending cuts.

Orr has done the same thing in Detroit.  Granted, the deficit there is much larger, and the tax base smaller, but he was calling for a bankruptcy practically as soon as he was appointed.

The GOP seems incredibly fond of scorched earth tactics lately when a measured gradual response over time that includes both revenue increases as well as well thought out spending cuts through efficiency gains rather than program reductions would give better results and not lay the hurt down on the citizens in those areas.
 
2013-09-15 09:29:02 PM  

doloresonthedottedline: jjorsett: doloresonthedottedline: born_yesterday: Apik0r0s: Uncle Tom figured if he cooked a few poors, that he would get to go work in Reince Preibus' big house.

His name is Rinse Pubis, and I'll thank you to not childishly mock the man.

How does anyone avoid calling him Prince Reibus?

Do a Google search and you'll see that they don't. Understandable, since screwing with people's names, attacking their disabled kids, and calling them stupid is far easier than making a coherent argument over policy.

I didnt mean it as an insult. I literally meant that my brain reads it that way. I'm not dyslexic, the name is just so strange that it feels wrong?

I also have to work to remember that "SE Cupp" isn't supposed to read as "sippy cup."

/I've also been known to read words in eye charts in jumbled letters
//like "apso" as "soap"
///at least I don't think I'm dyslexic


Oh, okay. I will acknowledge that he has a very odd name and it does resemble one of those, "rearrange these letters to form two common words" games.
 
2013-09-15 09:32:51 PM  
Damn. Detroit was a utopian wonderland before the evil GOP took over, wasn't it?
 
2013-09-15 09:34:10 PM  
Detroit was doing fine until Republicans came along.
 
2013-09-15 09:36:19 PM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


Interesting, thank you!
 
2013-09-15 09:36:55 PM  
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that there is more to the story than the headline suggests.

/dnrtft
 
2013-09-15 09:38:29 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Damn. Detroit was a utopian wonderland before the evil GOP took over, wasn't it?


Yep, that completely excuses this stupidity, doesn't it.

/oh wait, no it doesn't.
 
2013-09-15 09:40:44 PM  

RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.


So how many died again?
 
2013-09-15 09:41:24 PM  
i.imgur.com

Looks like this emergency manager has played Sim City, but only knows the "bulldoze the power plant" solution to all of a city's problems.
 
2013-09-15 09:43:57 PM  

jjorsett: He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts.


You mean Enron is running a scam on Detroit too?  Pretty good for a company that has been dead for seven years.
 
2013-09-15 09:45:18 PM  

clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?


More children die of heat prostration left behind in cars on a hot day than those trapped in elevators.  The elderly don't need an excuse like being trapped in an elevator to die.
 
2013-09-15 09:49:13 PM  

jjorsett: He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts. When more power was being consumed than the system could supply, they started cutting off sections of cities. Thing is, California at least warned us that this would happen and gave us notice about where and for how long. Sounds like this idiot didn't bother. I predict that he'll be tossed out on his ass in order to tamp down the PR disaster he's spawned, but I'll bet they're going to be forced to do this again (with the warnings) when there isn't enough capacity for everyone.

[i41.tinypic.com image 403x306]


Enron created an artificial energy shortage in order to drive up prices and then let Gray Davis hang for it.  It has nothing to do with Detroit, nor does it in any way absolve the Republicans from randomly cutting off power to the people of Detroit in order to punish them.  Robocop was not intended to be an instruction manual.
 
2013-09-15 09:57:22 PM  
It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.
 
2013-09-15 10:02:35 PM  

jyoders19: It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.


Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.
 
2013-09-15 10:02:57 PM  

jyoders19: It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.


While Detroit has a lot of debt, it doesn't owe nearly as much as the US as a whole.
 
2013-09-15 10:09:45 PM  
Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.
 
2013-09-15 10:22:10 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.


Yep!  The really tricky part was getting a Democratic governor to sign the original bill upwards of 25 years ago.  And then getting more Democratic governors to use the EFM law before Snyder got there. The most nefarious and obvious abuse of this EFM scheme that Republicans tricked Democrats into supporting is evident in the transfer of power from Granholm (D) to Snyder (R).  Every EFM that Granholm (D) appointed Snyder (R) renewed. What a racist asshole!
 
2013-09-15 10:25:18 PM  

super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.


Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?
 
2013-09-15 10:27:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: jyoders19: It's hard to feel sorry for a city that spent itself into $13 trillion in debt and allowed its own energy infrastructure to deteriorate to the point that these types of shutdown repairs were necessary.

While Detroit has a lot of debt, it doesn't owe nearly as much as the US as a whole.


This is liberal debt, so it's automatically bigger than normal debt.
 
2013-09-15 10:29:15 PM  

jbuist: Guntram Shatterhand: The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.

Yep!  The really tricky part was getting a Democratic governor to sign the original bill upwards of 25 years ago.  And then getting more Democratic governors to use the EFM law before Snyder got there. The most nefarious and obvious abuse of this EFM scheme that Republicans tricked Democrats into supporting is evident in the transfer of power from Granholm (D) to Snyder (R).  Every EFM that Granholm (D) appointed Snyder (R) renewed. What a racist asshole!


And the trickiest part was when the people of Michigan voted to reject emergency manager laws and the Republicans said "Fark you" and passed a new version that couldn't be overturned by popular referendum!  Hooray Democracy!
 
2013-09-15 10:34:47 PM  

Fart_Machine: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?


Bigger picture man, bigger picture.
 
2013-09-15 10:37:22 PM  

super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?

Bigger picture man, bigger picture.


Making shait up is the bigger picture now.
 
2013-09-15 10:40:49 PM  

gblive: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: That is going to be a HUGE honking lawsuit.

How's that.  The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.


And by "nobody ever raised a fuss", you mean, of course, that they recalled him from office and replaced him with Ahnold.
 
2013-09-15 10:41:01 PM  

Fart_Machine: super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?

Bigger picture man, bigger picture.

Making shait up is the bigger picture now.


www.examiner.com

Sup wilson.
 
2013-09-15 10:42:06 PM  

super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?

Bigger picture man, bigger picture.

Making shait up is the bigger picture now.



Sup wilson.


Good bye troll. Plonk.
 
2013-09-15 10:44:24 PM  

super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.


Um, no. Everyone was either laughing at AZ or telling AZ tough rats.
 
2013-09-15 10:45:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Fart_Machine: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Where in this thread is anyone demanding Federal Aid for Detroit?

Bigger picture man, bigger picture.

Making shait up is the bigger picture now.

Sup wilson.

Good bye troll. Plonk.


The right answer is "punishing the people over political decisions made by their leadership". Thanks for... forfeiting?
 
2013-09-15 11:00:28 PM  

Kittypie070: super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.

Um, no. Everyone was either laughing at AZ or telling AZ tough rats.


Let me rephrase that: people approved of it and were unsympathetic. Which is odd, considering that the people here are also suffering under a Republican leader.
 
2013-09-15 11:01:33 PM  
He may be Republican-appointed, but that doesn't mean he's a republican.  He may just be a hardass regardless of political affiliation, if he has any.

Just think a lot of people will look silly with the knee-jerk ("evil republican!" without any confirmation he's an actual republican).  (Yeah, read some of the comments about things he's said/done that would better align with Republicans vs. Democats.  Maybe he's just a lousy Democrat?)
 
2013-09-15 11:08:14 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 481x359]

Looks like this emergency manager has played Sim City, but only knows the "bulldoze the power plant" solution to all of a city's problems.


img209.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-15 11:10:47 PM  

Sim Tree: Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 481x359]

Looks like this emergency manager has played Sim City, but only knows the "bulldoze the power plant" solution to all of a city's problems.

[img209.imageshack.us image 256x224]


media.steampowered.com 
 
2013-09-15 11:31:50 PM  

Klippoklondike: o5iiawah: The Name: The one they had before they elected a Republican governor.

Then maybe the Democrats who ran the city for 60 years should have done so effectively and then the republican governor would have no power whatsoever.

You're like the idiots in PA who blame republicans for the Philly schools when the democrats in charge of it ran up a $200M deficit.

The Democrats did one set of stupid, bad things.  Now the Republicans are doing a different set of stupid, bad things.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties have farked up Detroit.


The guy that *killed* Detroit, and the guy who came along and f*cked the *corpse* of Detroit *are* different, but both bad in their own way.
 
2013-09-15 11:33:41 PM  

badhatharry: LavenderWolf: badhatharry: I never knew having the power go out was such a life threatening situation. The power company threatens to kill me every month.

Do you have an elevator in your house? Anyone on life support? Electronic locks holding prisoners? I'm just spitballin' here. It's pretty shortsighted to assume that just because YOU can live without something that an entire city could, too.

I'm sure you'll go an entire lifetime without needing to buy asphalt, just as I'm also sure a city would be farked without it (or an alternative).

Don't they have blizzards in Detroit? Sometimes the power goes out. The prisoners don't all get set free and the people on life support don't all die.


People die every winter. It is illegal in most places to shut the power off in the winter, and in fact there are emergency procedures which have to occur every time there is such a power outage.

Turning off a city is not as simple as turning off your TV. Don't be obtuse.
 
2013-09-15 11:40:17 PM  

Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.


No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Nadie_AZ: Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.


Detroit had plenty of chances to run itself sustainably.  Amazing how tens of thousands of other towns and cities seem to do okay with it and Detroit was the outlier that failed.  I Will say this and it goes with all aspects of life - if you cant handle your shiat effectively and someone else has to come in and clean it up, there's a good chance that it wont be on your terms and an even better chance you wont like the outcome.
 
2013-09-15 11:43:21 PM  

o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.


Citation needed.
 
2013-09-15 11:52:52 PM  
Gee, where have I heard of this happening before?

Oh, I remember now.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-15 11:54:23 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.


Um, Detroit's the city version of the uninsured trailer-trash who rear-ended your vehicle and put you in traction for six months. He's got nothing to sue.
 
2013-09-15 11:57:53 PM  

o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Nadie_AZ: Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.

Detroit had plenty of chances to run itself sustainably.  Amazing how tens of thousands of other towns and cities seem to do okay with it and Detroit was the outlier that failed.  I Will say this and it goes with all aspects of life - if you cant handle your shiat effectively and someone else has to come in and clean it up, there's a good chance that it wont be on your terms and an even better chance you wont like the outcome.


No no, after ~20 years or more you don't GET to go back on your party's habit of claiming both sides are exactly the same (SVR).

Detroit's problems are many, but there were plenty of profiteering parasites on the right feeding on the city while trying to lay all the blame on the dirty Ni-BONGs in the projects.  Is the move by the Emergency Manager the right one?  Maybe.  His bankruptcy push probably isn't, but them's the breaks.
 
2013-09-15 11:59:13 PM  

propasaurus: cman: propasaurus: cman: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.

TuteTibiImperes: How's that outreach going?

FlashHarry: republicans have become cartoonishly evil at this point. like bond villains.

Sorry to say, but the way the headline is written implies he is a Republican.

I guess, if you're reading impaired.

It can be taken two ways:

1. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager
2. Detroit's Republican appointed Emergency Manager

Again, yes, if you don't understand written language.

/Detroit's Republican, appointed Emergency Manager


Show me a republican who's ever hired a Democrat.
 
2013-09-15 11:59:45 PM  
This is how you know your city has hit rock bottom.  When virtually everyone everywhere can make a statement like "Man insert city here is a shiat hole, but at least its not Detroit"  Honestly the problems of Detroit do not seem that bad, If they were then the politicians would be covering their streets with their own blood.  Let me know when the citizens start killing off high level public officials every hour.
 
2013-09-16 12:01:45 AM  

TV's Vinnie: BunkyBrewman: Civil lawyers should be licking their chops right now.  This dipshiat just cost the city of Detroit hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions once the lawsuits start rolling in from his deliberate actions.

Um, Detroit's the city version of the uninsured trailer-trash who rear-ended your vehicle and put you in traction for six months. He's got nothing to sue.


Well, to take that metaphor further said trailer trash still manages to scrape together enough cash to feed his drug habit and make the occasional payment on the truck he rear-ended you with, so if you can catch him at the right time of the month you might be able to get something, you just have to fight all the other debt-holders who are after him.
 
2013-09-16 12:02:18 AM  

TheJoe03: Amos Quito: I call racism.

Do you ever post anything that isn't race baiting bullshiat?


I hear you.  I had him favorited in red with the comments "Yuck" but after today, I finally added him to my ignore list.  Can't take the constant race baiting.
 
2013-09-16 12:07:07 AM  

o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Nadie_AZ: Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.

Detroit had plenty of chances to run itself sustainably.  Amazing how tens of thousands of other towns and cities seem to do okay with it and Detroit was the outlier that failed.  I Will say this and it goes with all aspects of life - if you cant handle your shiat effectively and someone else has to come in and clean it up, there's a good chance that it wont be on your terms and an even better chance you wont like the outcome.


Exactly what is wrong with this country.
 
2013-09-16 12:08:42 AM  

Nadie_AZ: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Nadie_AZ: Infrastructure is what separates the wealthy nations from the poor. Nice to see Americans espousing the poverty of other Americans. United States, my ass.

Detroit had plenty of chances to run itself sustainably.  Amazing how tens of thousands of other towns and cities seem to do okay with it and Detroit was the outlier that failed.  I Will say this and it goes with all aspects of life - if you cant handle your shiat effectively and someone else has to come in and clean it up, there's a good chance that it wont be on your terms and an even better chance you wont like the outcome.

Exactly what is wrong with this country.


Can't tell if you agree with the poster or not.
 
2013-09-16 12:08:49 AM  

thenewmissus: TheJoe03: Amos Quito: I call racism.

Do you ever post anything that isn't race baiting bullshiat?


I hear you.  I had him favorited in red with the comments "Yuck" but after today, I finally added him to my ignore list.  Can't take the constant race baiting.


I gave his ass a bit of a kicking for that recently. Looks like it didn't take too good.
 
2013-09-16 12:10:00 AM  

LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.


What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.
 
2013-09-16 12:28:44 AM  

bdub77: Most of the city was blacked out to begin with.


That is so racist, but yes. It is.
 
2013-09-16 12:34:11 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.


Great. Local democrats. Do you want to play the "Let's expose a local political sphere's incompetence!" because I love that game. Basically everybody involved in local politics is usually a douchebag.

Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?
 
2013-09-16 12:39:07 AM  

rewind2846: My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe


Yes. Yes it was.
 
2013-09-16 12:39:13 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.


As has been explained MANY times over to people outside of Michigan who don't understand jack-shiat about Detroit politics, the "Democrat" mayors (and council members) of Detroit are not very Democratic in their policies or thinking, and they are, in fact (and quite provably) simple opportunists who realized Detroit was a money-grab for anyone who put a "D" behind their name on the ballot. Most of those folks were not liberals; they were con artists and criminals who used the people of Detroit to gather power and influence.

Were the people of Detroit naive? Certainly. They kept voting for Democrats when they KNEW the Democrats they were electing were about as Democrat as they needed to be to get elected. But if they'd voted in Republicans, they'd have gotten the SAME PEOPLE, because the only people who get far in Detroit politics are hucksters, criminals, thugs, con artists, people-hating industrialists, and wannabe despots. BOTH sides were packed full of scum.

If you want to talk about a Michigan city that is truly operated and dominated by ACTUAL Democrats, why not talk about Ann Arbor, which frequently shows up on lists of the best places to live in the nation? If you want to talk about Democrat-run cities, then I'd say New York City still does pretty well at representing the kind of city that can be forged when Democrats are in control. There's some bad, and some good, but it's still the biggest, most powerful, most wealthy, most popular city in the entire world.

Detroit is not a Democratic-run city. It's a city that has been passed between criminals for decades, and they affect whatever political affiliation works to get them in power.

Finally, the Republican-owned corporations that left Detroit high and dry after bleeding the city for decades are as much to blame for the state of Detroit as the criminal politicians who fleeced the hell out of the city.
 
2013-09-16 12:49:21 AM  
This is just not possible. Nobody's that stupid/evil.
 
2013-09-16 12:53:30 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Damn. Detroit was a utopian wonderland before the evil GOP took over, wasn't it?


And it's going to be better when they're done with it?
 
2013-09-16 01:36:04 AM  

clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?


Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.
 
2013-09-16 01:55:15 AM  
Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.
 
2013-09-16 02:12:21 AM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.


Potential loss of life and injury, that's small potatoes. Really. I mean what of real value would have been lost? Important people? Not likely. Nope, we have to save our ire for things with REAL potential for outrage. Like voter fraud, anchor babies, or scary black men branding nice white girls with backwards Bs on their cheeks, or pimps getting public assistance. Focus, woman. Focus.
 
2013-09-16 02:30:07 AM  

IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.


Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".
 
2013-09-16 02:41:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: jjorsett: He put it stupidly, but what he did was exactly what California did when it came up short on electricity under Gray Davis: rolling blackouts.

You mean Enron is running a scam on Detroit too?  Pretty good for a company that has been dead for seven years.


Hey, if ACORN can do it...
 
2013-09-16 02:56:24 AM  

super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


Math is a social construct? Math? I suggest you never mention this to a mathematician, as s/he is likely to give you a ding on your ear. An empiricist might beat you senseless.
 
2013-09-16 03:00:47 AM  
The workers should have refused those orders.
 
2013-09-16 03:26:37 AM  

rewind2846: My headline was better - "Who run Bartertown?"
/grumble gripe


We don't need another hero.
 
2013-09-16 03:28:00 AM  

Elegy: LavenderWolf: o5iiawah: Klippoklondike: Both parties have farked up Detroit.

No.  They havent.  The democrats ran it off a cliff and into a pile of flames.  Now they are criticizing the republicans for the heat from the fire.
There's no "Win" when it comes to Detroit right now.  Thinks are going to continue to be bad and more than likely will get worse for quite some time and there's no magic elixir to make it all better.

Just admit that the Democrats had their turn, 60 years worth and Detroit is a smoldering hellhole of a failed city because of it.

Citation needed.

What is "every mayor of Detroit since 1962 has been a Democrat," Alex.



It wasn't the democratic party it was the idea of black militanism that went with Coleman Young after the riots he went pure black militant , that nobody want to invest in that city. and he left office in 1994. Then next Mayor was decent but, came of as a "Uncle Tom" with the black community. Then came Kwame Kilpatick, and we all that story if you pay attention. Slowly but, surely will getover are ignorance of racial politics. Yet, it will take time.
/ South- west Detroiter, by family by blood left that shiat hole after dealing coming back from a war a couldn't recognize the place in 2005. Looked liked DRESDEN AFTER WW2 . Thank God ny grandma is out of that shiat hole and, Kilpatrick the last nail in the coffin for me, you wanna see where America is heading go to Detriot.
 
2013-09-16 03:35:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.


It's actually unclear that no one died because of it at this point, actually.
 
2013-09-16 03:41:31 AM  

super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


Exactly

As a leftist paradise, it should have been left alone. But no, some Republican asshole had to force his way in and take on loads of debt to force black people to live on the streets, or something
 
2013-09-16 03:50:51 AM  

red5ish: super_grass: IlGreven: Remember when Mitt Romney said he wanted to run government like a business?

Well, Rick Snyder is running Michigan like a business. And he's done hostile takeovers of several cities, and all are worse off for it.

Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.  Because he's running Detroit like a business that's indebted to him, and not a city.

Remember, things like bank accounts, debt, and math are social constructs, or worse, republican lies. Detroit's bankruptcy is purely choice made by the top echelons of a plutocracy hell bent on making numbers add up on a ledger than paying paychecks. Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".

Math is a social construct? Math? I suggest you never mention this to a mathematician, as s/he is likely to give you a ding on your ear. An empiricist might beat you senseless.


Eh, it's sarcasm from a guy who thinks destroying a city to save it is a valid strategy. Or even what's happening in this case.
 
2013-09-16 04:00:06 AM  

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: RedPhoenix122: clowncar on fire: Still a dick headed move as undue inconvenience was imposed upon the masses where it need not be.

If by "inconvenience" you mean the possibility of loss of life for elderly and small children, especially if trapped in an elevator in the heat.

So how many died again?

Is that your only marker for doing something insanely stupid? "Oh, well, nobody actually died, so, our bad, we won't do it again!"

Guess what: That's not a defense in a negligence case. If you're in a car accident that was caused by your careless driving or reckless behavior, you don't get to shrug off any damages because nobody was actually killed in the collision.

Potential loss of life and injury, that's small potatoes. Really. I mean what of real value would have been lost? Important people? Not likely. Nope, we have to save our ire for things with REAL potential for outrage. Like voter fraud, anchor babies, or scary black men branding nice white girls with backwards Bs on their cheeks, or pimps getting public assistance. Focus, woman. Focus.


Right, my bad.

I got hung up in the drama of the moment.
 
2013-09-16 05:47:12 AM  

Amos Quito: Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


www.toddlittleton.net
 
2013-09-16 08:21:05 AM  
It was the demonrats that replaced almost all the manufacturing labor force with robots.
 
2013-09-16 08:54:34 AM  

LavenderWolf: Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?


According to Republicans, treating those people like they're equals.


/But not Detroit's dictator, he's one of the good ones!
 
2013-09-16 09:03:07 AM  
FTFA: "[people] didn't respond as fast as we would like them to, so we had to send them a strong message, by turning off the power."

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they didn't bother to actually try and identify those custumers who actually did reduce their consumption levels.

Hooray!  Collective punishment for all!
 
2013-09-16 09:05:35 AM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


i248.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-16 09:07:42 AM  

red5ish: I imagine right now there are a lot of people in Detroit thinking about "sending a message" to their Republican appointed overlord, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.


No kidding, go ahead and poke the good folks of detroit with a stick. Feel free to antagonize them. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
2013-09-16 09:22:34 AM  
IlGreven:   Rick Snyder, not any Democrat, is responsible for Detroit's bankruptcy.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-16 09:41:01 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It

The headline doesn't say he's Republican. It says he's Republican appointed, which he is.


And thwe current incarnation of the Republican Party is SOOOOO known for reaching across the aisle, right? Especially when it comes to anything involving government spending... The Party that is driving this country into a whole, not because they specifically disagree with our Democratic President's views, but 100% because he's a Democrat. When his health bill turns out to be basically what they were fighting FOR 5-6 years ago, they try and block it, and then spend all of their time trying to overturn it, their health bill, and THEY are fighting it because a Dem got it enacted.

Sure, he's "not" a Republican. I'm just positive that Rick Scott sought out a Democrat because the GOP is so well known for their rational thinking...
 
2013-09-16 09:47:42 AM  
When asked what he plans to say to the people still "trapped in elevators in 90 degree heat" a still smiling Brown replies  "Who runs Barter Town?"
 
2013-09-16 09:48:29 AM  

lawboy87: Perhaps if a few hundred citizens were to swarm his office, haul his ass out the door on a rail and proceed to strip him and horsewhip him.


Needs more tar and feathers, to be properly traditional politics.
 
2013-09-16 10:08:29 AM  

WI241TH: Relevant bit of reporting from today's Detroit Free Press:   How Detroit Went Broke


Fascinating. I'm truly surprised that Coleman Young wasn't the problem. Not surprised at all that Kwame was. I like how they frame it. "Coleman Young may have been a racist dickbag, but he knew money. Kwame didn't know shiat about anything." That I can believe, but obviously I'm biased. :)
 
2013-09-16 10:32:59 AM  

jbuist: Guntram Shatterhand: The Emergency Manager is just a way for Republicans to bring back monarchies.

Yep!  The really tricky part was getting a Democratic governor to sign the original bill upwards of 25 years ago.  And then getting more Democratic governors to use the EFM law before Snyder got there. The most nefarious and obvious abuse of this EFM scheme that Republicans tricked Democrats into supporting is evident in the transfer of power from Granholm (D) to Snyder (R).  Every EFM that Granholm (D) appointed Snyder (R) renewed. What a racist asshole!


Actually the REAL tricky part was how Rick Snyder expanded the law, fought tooth and nail to prevent it being voted on, and then after it finally did make the ballots and was repealed by Michigan voters, he and his Republican-controlled state Congress passed the same law but made sure that it could never be repealed again.

I'm sure you know all of that, right asshole?
 
2013-09-16 10:40:14 AM  
The surprising thing is how one side argues that "Oh, Granholm used the EM program, so blame them for how bad it is."  Forgetting the fact that it was nowhere near as all encompassing a position during that time, and how Snyder has basically made the EM program into a way to give out little fiefdoms to the people he puts into place.  Plus, the fact that when the people of the state decided to remove the power of EM's from the state legislature through referendum, the state legislature went right around them and reinstated it in a way that the people would have no say whatsoever in it being reinstated.

Yeah, no matter how bad Detroit is, Snyder and his legislature have shown that there are lawmakers (mostly those with a (R) next to their name) that pretty much give lip service to the idea of 'democracy'.  Hell, I don't know why they don't just change their party name, since it's obvious they don't even give a shiat about the republican (note small 'r') form of government.  Maybe they could change their party name to the Corporatist/Authoritarian/Dominionist party (the CAD's)?  Might be a better fit.
 
2013-09-16 10:45:04 AM  

super_grass: Didn't fark applaud denying Arizona federal aid in their fight against wildfires? This seems to right up the politics tab's alley.


The strawman is strong with you.
 
2013-09-16 10:55:17 AM  
It's really interesting to see that some Farkers cannot see the difference between being elected to a position and being appointed. If one is elected, in theory, at least, one represents the electorate. If one is appointed (hired, really), one represents one's bosses. That is the crux of the argument against appointing an all-powerful person who trumps all elected government.
 
2013-09-16 11:31:06 AM  
That's terrorism.  Arrest him.
 
2013-09-16 12:08:28 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Captain_Sunshine: gblive: How's that. The Democratic governor of California demanded that power companies implement rolling black-outs when the state had a power crisis -- and nobody ever raised a fuss about his actions.

And he told everyone they were coming, and why, and published schedules for the blackouts. He didn't decide to screw downtown L.A. to "send a message," without any warning, when the people downtown weren't turning off their own power fast enough because they weren't paying attention to either their psychic foretellings or their pet fairies.

We'll leave out the artificial nature of those California blackouts for now.

And essential services like hospitals, police & fire stations were put on separate grids that were exempt from ever having their power deliberately cut off.


Not to mention, the idea that "nobody ever raised a fuss" is absurd, considering that his actions led directly to a giant circus of a recall election and Enron was sued and prosecuted into oblivion over it.
 
2013-09-16 12:22:44 PM  

Mentat: Jesus farking Christ, these people have become cartoon villains.


Of course they are,  Read the article again:
working in the Hall of Justice had no time to prepare. Senior citizens and disabled citizens using elevators in the city's downtown district had no way to know what was coming. The entire criminal justice system was shut down without notice. Wayne State University Campus .

Hall of Justice?  WAYNE state University?   Crumbling dystopian cityscape?  Study it out people...Detriot really IS Gotham
 
2013-09-16 12:38:27 PM  

Amos Quito: Bathia_Mapes: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

He was appointed by Governor Rick Snyder, who is Republican.


Yes, he was. So that makes Orr a "Republican"?


ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


Yes, he was.  So that makes Obama "white"?


/ The logic
// Follow
/// It


White isn't a political philosophy....
 
2013-09-16 01:20:42 PM  

djRykoSuave: White isn't a political philosophy....


Doesn't stop the GOP from using it however.
 
2013-09-16 01:33:32 PM  

ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.


No he didn't. Mitt got 59 percent of white voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Elect io n-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video
 
2013-09-16 01:50:37 PM  

Otherwise Just Fine: ginandbacon: Amos Quito: Kevyn Orr is "Republican appointed", much like Barack H. Obama is "white elected".

Right Subby?

Obama won with a majority of white voters.

No he didn't. Mitt got 59 percent of white voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Elect io n-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video


The majority of Obama's votes cam from white voters. Got it?
 
2013-09-16 07:31:20 PM  

LavenderWolf: Specifically what Democratic party ideals ruined Detroit?


Signing long-term contracts with the cities unions when the tax base of the city shrunk.  The city could have managed itself effectively by laying off public workers to keep pace with the declining population.  I realize that laying people off is a dismal thing to talk about but has to be done if the citizens are neither there to be served nor there to pay the tax bill.

ZeroCorpse: If you want to talk about a Michigan city that is truly operated and dominated by ACTUAL Democrats, why not talk about Ann Arbor, which frequently shows up on lists of the best places to live in the nation?


College towns dont need to sustain their own economies. They are kept afloat by the university which attracts state and federal dollars both in research grants and students taking out federal loans to go there.  I've lived in several college towns and the parts of the town which are disconnected from the university are generally depressed with mostly service-economies. There's no equivalency.

ZeroCorpse: Detroit is not a Democratic-run city

ZeroCorpse: Finally, the Republican-owned corporations that left Detroit high and dry


your prism of reality needs some serious adjustment.

super_grass: Detroit was fine going the way it was, it didn't need "fixing".


These people vote, Ladies and gentlemen...
 
2013-09-16 10:29:32 PM  
o5iiawah: Herpaderpa unions

And that's why Republicans are just as useless at fixing Detroit as Democrats.

The problem is the economy collapsed (because time and tide wait for no man) and the only thing that stayed there was crime.  Everything else spawns from that rot, and there are a LOT of parasites spawning in it.  You have the useless welfare bums, you have the greed-fueled corporate fat cats, you have the corrupt politicians (mostly democrat, but not all) and through and through you have all the blue-collar crime that always rises up to fill the economic void when the regular industries pull up stakes and walk away.

But no, we have to blame unions, because socialism, because union = evil, because the fact that your boogeyman barely even exists anymore is no reason to stop heaping all your fears on him.
 
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