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2013-09-15 12:29:32 PM
Yes, let's all rejoice in the executive and legislative branches not showing a unified front in foreign policy.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-15 12:30:07 PM
He got every thing he wanted without having to take any military action?  That's pretty weak.  A real man would just invade and make people dance in the streets at gunpoint.
 
2013-09-15 12:32:46 PM
For the life of me I don't understand the argument that Obama is the loser here. What's the argument? That Putin took responsibility? That's bad?
 
2013-09-15 12:33:04 PM
If the "weakest" week of is second term is one where he decides not to start a land war in Asia, then he's doing pretty good in his second term.
 
2013-09-15 12:38:54 PM
I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it
 
2013-09-15 12:39:35 PM

vpb: He got every thing he wanted without having to take any military action?  That's pretty weak.  A real man would just invade and make people dance in the streets at gunpoint.


And since everyone knows lengthy land wars in Asia pay for themselves, it's fiscally irresponsible of him to not do it.

GOOD JOB, DEBTBAMA!
 
2013-09-15 12:45:11 PM

cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it


How does it make Putin look strong to get him to commit to control his own client state? Isn't that just what he's supposed to do?

And how is this "owning" us? Putin is doing what we want him to do - taking responsibility to control the behavior of his client. Isn't that us playing him?
 
2013-09-15 12:48:47 PM

cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it


How? Because you want Obama to look weak. That's literally the only reason that anyone can give for saying that Putin looked strong.
 
2013-09-15 12:50:19 PM
Are we involved in a military conflict in Syria? No? Then we, the people, won. Who cares who won the political battle?
 
2013-09-15 12:50:50 PM

DamnYankees: cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it

How does it make Putin look strong to get him to commit to control his own client state? Isn't that just what he's supposed to do?

And how is this "owning" us? Putin is doing what we want him to do - taking responsibility to control the behavior of his client. Isn't that us playing him?


Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.
 
2013-09-15 12:50:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: How? Because you want Obama to look weak. That's literally the only reason that anyone can give for saying that Putin looked strong.


I disagree - I think Putin is looking strong. He said he will take responsibility and control Syria. And good for him. The flaw is thinking if Putin is strong then Obama is by definition weak. The world doesn't work that way.
 
2013-09-15 12:51:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it

How? Because you want Obama to look weak. That's literally the only reason that anyone can give for saying that Putin looked strong.


Did I say that Obama looked weak?
 
2013-09-15 12:51:57 PM

cman: Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.


Ooh. I understand now. You mean Obama looks weak in your big-dick-contest-imagination. That makes sense. Obama also looks weak i my D&D game where I, as DM, dropped his Strength from 18 to 13.
 
2013-09-15 12:56:04 PM
cman: Did I say that Obama looked weak?

cman:Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.

i am going to have to go with "yes"
 
2013-09-15 12:56:27 PM

DamnYankees: cman: Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.

Ooh. I understand now. You mean Obama looks weak in your big-dick-contest-imagination. That makes sense. Obama also looks weak i my D&D game where I, as DM, dropped his Strength from 18 to 13.


I didn't said Obama looks weak
 
2013-09-15 12:57:27 PM

parasol: cman: Did I say that Obama looked weak?

cman:Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.

i am going to have to go with "yes"


You do realize that the President isn't some god who can do whatever the fark he wants, right?
 
2013-09-15 12:57:33 PM

cman: DamnYankees: cman: Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.

Ooh. I understand now. You mean Obama looks weak in your big-dick-contest-imagination. That makes sense. Obama also looks weak i my D&D game where I, as DM, dropped his Strength from 18 to 13.

I didn't said Obama looks weak


Sport team politics. Pay it no mind.
 
2013-09-15 01:01:59 PM
cman: You do realize that the President isn't some god who can do whatever the fark he wants, right?

why yes, yes I do - what was your point?

That some people actually think that and, because he didn't elect to do whatever they thought he wanted that he is somehow weak?  I mean, I am sure there are people who assume that because of current, more diplomatic efforts, rather than the Obama-God "doing whatever the fark he wants" that he has somehow been biatch-slapped by Putin...........oh.....wait......
 
2013-09-15 01:02:32 PM

cman: parasol: cman: Did I say that Obama looked weak?

cman:Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.

i am going to have to go with "yes"

You do realize that the President isn't some god who can do whatever the fark he wants, right?


Talking out both sides of your mouth can be vexing from time to time
 
2013-09-15 01:07:43 PM

parasol: cman: You do realize that the President isn't some god who can do whatever the fark he wants, right?

why yes, yes I do - what was your point?

That some people actually think that and, because he didn't elect to do whatever they thought he wanted that he is somehow weak?  I mean, I am sure there are people who assume that because of current, more diplomatic efforts, rather than the Obama-God "doing whatever the fark he wants" that he has somehow been biatch-slapped by Putin...........oh.....wait......


My point is that I was trying to show you that I understand that Obama shouldn't be held responsible because he can't control everything
 
2013-09-15 01:14:48 PM
cman - ah - well, let me say this then? If your point was you "understand Obama shouldn't be held responsible because he can't control everything" may I say this?

I fully expect any POTUS to be held responsible for the actions he takes in response to things he can't control. There is such a thing as "preparing for the worst" "learning from history" "listening to advisors" So, yes, I can hold someone responsible when they fail due to ignoring the same basic skills we want to underpay quite a few non-elected people to have.

I also understand that sometimes uncontrollable events overwhelm our every effort and judge accordingly.
 
2013-09-15 01:16:18 PM
btw, c-man?

I am content to hold Obama responsible for the current diplomatic negotiations underway - i think it is going, so far, better than the earlier proposals
 
2013-09-15 01:22:27 PM
We don't get to bomb a Russian ally, bald eagles cry. :(

As it stands now, it's a win for the US and for Russia, which is cool because it is neither's war.
 
2013-09-15 01:30:59 PM
Not as weak as those hippy commie peacenik good-for-nothings in the GOP.
 
2013-09-15 01:35:16 PM
If the weakest week in his second term involves Russia, the Speaker of the House, John McCain, the UN, Syria, and Israel et al, all thinking maybe now's the time to have an honest conversation, that means all the other weeks make the GOP look like an untenable pile of sh*tgobblers.

I guess the rabble need to feel victorious now and again.  Here you go, don't choke on the leftovers.
 
2013-09-15 01:41:41 PM

FTFA:

On domestic policy, Obama's choice to pursue military intervention has essentially frozen his domestic agenda.
In what universe are the writers living? Obama's domestic agenda was frozen from Election Day when the GOP retained control of the House.
 
2013-09-15 01:42:23 PM

DamnYankees: For the life of me I don't understand the argument that Obama is the loser here. What's the argument? That Putin took responsibility? That's bad?


It's like rejoicing that the fox has agreed to watch the henhouse.
 
2013-09-15 01:44:47 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: In what universe are the writers living?


Capitol cafeteria, maybe.
 
2013-09-15 01:45:50 PM
I was ready to believe that the administration fell backwards into a preferable situation, but Putin's bizzare behavior since the agreement has me thinking otherwise
 
2013-09-15 01:46:29 PM

cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it


Is your nationalistic ego so fragile that you can't bear to let another nation "one-up" us? Stop being cowards.
 
2013-09-15 01:47:18 PM

dinch: I was ready to believe that the administration fell backwards into a preferable situation, but Putin's bizzare behavior since the agreement has me thinking otherwise


Putin's behavior has ALWAYS been bizarre. He's a mass-murdering sociopath.
 
2013-09-15 01:48:33 PM

cman: DamnYankees: cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it

How does it make Putin look strong to get him to commit to control his own client state? Isn't that just what he's supposed to do?

And how is this "owning" us? Putin is doing what we want him to do - taking responsibility to control the behavior of his client. Isn't that us playing him?

Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.


Uh "go fark yourselves" would be daring us to get a resolution vote to bomb Syria.
 
2013-09-15 01:49:06 PM

doyner: Yes, let's all rejoice in the executive and legislative branches not showing a unified front in foreign policy.


Yeah well if politics really  did stop at the water's edge, Obama wouldn't have taken credit for Bush killing bin Laden. Oh, and where's Kenya?  Across an ocean. If Obama wanted politics to stop at the water's edge, he'd release the official, true, long-form Kenyan birth certificate. But he doesn't because he was educated in an Indonesian madrassa, he just wants to bring Islamofascist caliphates to America so they're not across the ocean any more. Why else do you think he wants to find water on Mars?

Study it out, buddy.
 
2013-09-15 01:49:18 PM
Only in Republicanland is avoiding a war and getting what you want for no cost a weakness.  This is almost as weak as the time we bombed Lybia instead of turning it into another Iraq.  But how else would you expect the man responsible for murdering Osama Bin Laden to act.

Clearly Obama should act more like a Republican president when it comes to armed conflicts, so that we don't weak to the world.
 
2013-09-15 01:51:55 PM

that bosnian sniper: doyner: Yes, let's all rejoice in the executive and legislative branches not showing a unified front in foreign policy.

Yeah well if politics really  did stop at the water's edge, Obama wouldn't have taken credit for Bush killing bin Laden. Oh, and where's Kenya?  Across an ocean. If Obama wanted politics to stop at the water's edge, he'd release the official, true, long-form Kenyan birth certificate. But he doesn't because he was educated in an Indonesian madrassa, he just wants to bring Islamofascist caliphates to America so they're not across the ocean any more. Why else do you think he wants to find water on Mars?

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2013-09-15 01:52:23 PM
One way or another, Obama got Putin to get his client state to give up it's chemical weapons.

And this makes Obama look weak and/or Putin look strong.

Yes, this makes perfect sense.
 
2013-09-15 01:53:04 PM
Do we have Presidential stats to quantify this weakness or are we just going all willy nilly and calling it the weakest because OBAMA?
 
2013-09-15 01:55:59 PM
If Obama doesn't ride atop a nuclear bomb as it drops over Syria while screaming "WOLVERINES!", then that proves that Obama is a pussy and Putin gets to replace the Statue of Liberty with a giant animatronic display of him anally raping Obama with a giant purple dildo.
 
2013-09-15 01:57:41 PM

cman: Because we had our dick in our hand acting like we are the shiat, and then we get biatchslapped by Putin who tells us to go fark ourselves.


Your posts on Fark always show up favorited a garish purple. Can you understand why?
 
2013-09-15 01:59:02 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: If Obama doesn't ride atop a nuclear bomb as it drops over Syria while screaming "WOLVERINES!", then that proves that Obama is a pussy and Putin gets to replace the Statue of Liberty with a giant animatronic display of him anally raping Obama with a giant purple dildo.


I wouldn't be so sure.  The statue of liberty is French, so he might have to fight the French in order to...wait nevermind.
 
2013-09-15 01:59:04 PM

cman: I wouldn't say that it made Obama look weak; I'd say it made Putin look strong

Putin owned us

There aint no way else around it


Actually..It made Russia look like they didn't want a military confrontation with America.
 
2013-09-15 02:00:59 PM
The message Republicans seem to be putting out there is that good, strong leaders always solve disputes with military force instead of cooperation and diplomacy.  With that in mind, I think we, as a nation, should demand Obama launch airstrikes at Congressional Republicans should they refuse to raise the debt limit.  They're certainly a clearer threat to national security than Syria.
 
2013-09-15 02:01:29 PM

DamnYankees: For the life of me I don't understand the argument that Obama is the loser here. What's the argument? That Putin took responsibility? That's bad?


First we have to set the ground rules, and agree that in Diplomacy, the object is to always get the better deal for your side, or at least break even, anything less than that can be considered a "loss".

Now lets look at who wanted what.

Putin: Assad left in charge, but the chemical weapons eliminated so that Chechens can't get a hold of them. A larger role in the region giving more power to or at least breathing room for Iran. Preventing U.S. strikes that might lead to Assad being removed from power.

Obama: Assad removed from power leading to a negotiated peace where a pro-western secularist democracy can begin to flourish. Minimal amount of American visible interference and man power used and increased pressure on Iran to limit it's nuclear armament giving the US a stronger position in the region securing the flow of Oil, and as a side benefit, allowing us to press for more democratic reforms.

Who gets what in this deal? Well, Assad remains in power (Point : Putin) while Russia takes lead on the effort to locate and eliminate the Chemical Weapons that could be used against his country, especially if Assad happens to lose in the end. (Point : Putin). The whole thing gets pushed back to the United Nations, where Russia holds veto power, giving them pretty much absolute control over any repercussions should Assad not follow through in a timely fashion and the idea that the US would attack and shift the outcome of the war is now side lined. (Point : Putin - Point : Obama for no overt US involvement) Now that Putin believes he has the diplomatic upper hand, he can press issues with Iran, as seen through the renewal of weapons sales talks. (Point: Putin) and our friends in the region, who have a real vested interest in how this plays out, now questions our dedication to that friendship. (Point: Putin)

Tally that up and you get Putin coming out ahead four to one. Granted there's some other tiny things you could add to give each a few more points, it would not change the outcome. Diplomatically the Obama administration and therefore US interests, came out the loser in this. The caveat being, initially - as they say, "the fat lady" has not yet sung, the job just got harder.
 
2013-09-15 02:01:44 PM
I think President Obama just trolled the US Congress with the added magic side effect that the conservative media is now falling all over itself to praise Vladimir Putin, making themselves look even more ridiculously partisan and un-American.
 
2013-09-15 02:03:54 PM
ultraholland - it is only weak because its Obama/Putin and not Reagan/Gorbachav

back then, Reagan, all alone in a wild frontier but the the press, forced Gorbachev to tear down that wall, promote Glasnost, and admit cold war defeat, coming home with gift bottles of vodak and tiny hand-carved nesting dolls as well as bigger cajones.

Obama has ordered the removal Bin Ladin, in the dead of night, without undue cost and has now brokered a deal behind the scenes to avert strikes just yet

Obviously, political bravery demands entirely more press in a room with glade plug-ins wafting the smell of sulfur before not going into battle
 
2013-09-15 02:03:58 PM

CanisNoir: Putin: Assad left in charge, but the chemical weapons eliminated so that Chechens can't get a hold of them. A larger role in the region giving more power to or at least breathing room for Iran. Preventing U.S. strikes that might lead to Assad being removed from power.

Obama: Assad removed from power leading to a negotiated peace where a pro-western secularist democracy can begin to flourish. Minimal amount of American visible interference and man power used and increased pressure on Iran to limit it's nuclear armament giving the US a stronger position in the region securing the flow of Oil, and as a side benefit, allowing us to press for more democratic reforms.


This is entirely fabricated to justify something rattling around in the tuna can you call a brain.
 
2013-09-15 02:04:27 PM

red5ish: I think President Obama just trolled the US Congress with the added magic side effect that the conservative media is now falling all over itself to praise Vladimir Putin, making themselves look even more ridiculously partisan and un-American.


Republicans kissing the asses of the Russkies?

St. Ronnie must be spinning in his grave.
 
2013-09-15 02:04:49 PM
This is where Obama wanted to be...    he toured, early in his administration,  apologizing for American interventions.    He campaigned against American actions abroad.   He said 'we don't meddle'.

So he has spent a ton of money in the US on stimulus/bailouts while the Congress was on his side (first two years).   He maxed out the nations credit cards,  making it very difficult for anyone to justify spending US dollars on military actions.   We are now broke.    Why would we spend US money on Syria when we are laying off teachers here??

He spent absolutely no time at all on diplomacy.   What diplomacy the WH did put forth was mindless.

He built this situation we have today.   He owns it.
 
2013-09-15 02:05:20 PM
I'm in favor of many more "weak" weeks like this.
 
2013-09-15 02:05:43 PM
Obama had me going cross-eyed when he and Kerry started to beat the war drums. Then the turn of events showed that, probably, they were really in long negotiations and had to keep an appearance otherwise.

In retrospect, I think Obama played this as well as anyone could. He made the GOP flip flop from being a peacenik to sucking Putin's cawk. There are now ample examples of GOP members complaining about Obama's impending attack of Syria coupled with them complaining the next day that Obama is not willing to attack Syria. At the same time, Obama's change in decision is qualified by the new information that Syria is willing to meet the UN's demands. The order of the information and decisions makes Obama look diplomatic and presidential while the GOP's blacktrack responses to every Obama decision make them look like idiots.
 
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