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(CNN)   If the tanks-from those Yanks-slow their cranks-then you must give thanks-where the Russian sits: Putin on the blitz   (cnn.com) divider line 78
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2013-09-15 09:46:28 AM
So far, what I've seen is a lot of opportunism on Putin's side of things, and dozens of folks looking to score political hay in reacting with varied success and certainly a plethora of "reasoning" which seems to be based on harping and spinning and little to do with the meat of the issue...
 
2013-09-15 10:00:57 AM
The GOP is spinning like mad trying to make this into a defeat for Obama. But the simple fact is Obama got exactly what he wanted without firing a shot. Syria is going to lose their chemical weapons. That is HUGE. Why? Because CW are the poor mans nukes. As long as they had them, they had something to threaten Israel with that was at least superficially on par with the Israeli nukes. Now they will have nothing.

Oh and to all those GOP clowns like McCain and Graham claiming that Syria won't give up the CW because there is no threat of attack if they don't - I seem to remember a country called Iraq that was told to get rid of its WMD. What ever happened to all those weapons? Oh yeah- they got rid of them.

And another thing republicans- Does this whole episode possibly help Putin look a little better on the world stage? Possibly. But here is something real adults do - they worry more about getting something constructive accomplished and less about whether achieving that accomplishment will make your opponent look better or not. You might want to take that lesson to heart.
 
2013-09-15 10:10:29 AM

Dinki: But here is something real adults do - they worry more about getting something constructive accomplished and less about whether achieving that accomplishment will make your opponent look better or not. You might want to take that lesson to heart.


You are talking to people who tattoo USA! on their 2" dick. I thought he f*cked it up a little bit, but I like the result and we save a lot of money on missiles and bombs and jet fuel.

Maybe I thought he f*cked it up because all I'm used to is us bombing sh*t?

Meh... I'll take a chemical weapons free Syria. Now, if there are issues with the inspections/removal/destruction? That's going to get interesting.
 
2013-09-15 10:45:15 AM
FTFA:
But while we are diplomatically dueling with Russia, we must remain mindful of their public diplomacy strategies, watch closely as they maneuver and, in the end, do what is in our own national security interest.

Which nation are you talking about Tara?
 
2013-09-15 10:48:08 AM
I don't get how people think Putin "won" anything. We are talking about a potential war that could very well set off a very very bad series of events. Like WWIII bad. It's the farking middle east and it's right next door to Isreal for farks sake. Things like that should be handled with very delicate diplomacy. Diplomacy does not include taking out full page ads in major newspapers so you can blast the other side. good diplomacy is when you show the other side respect at all times when speaking publicly. Then you let the diplomats yell and scream at each other behind closed doors until a deal is reached.

Now, the administration may have stumbled into this outcome by an offhand remark in a press conference. But John Kerry has done an outstanding job once the ball got going. I have to say hats off to his Russian counterpart as well. You guys have successfully stopped a war and set the world on a path of having less chemical weapons. You guys farking rock.

I want all you chuckleheads that think the POTUS bungled this to think about the last week. Our President has kept his farking mouth shut for the most part and stayed on message. Then he let the diplomats do their freaking jobs. Putin pulled a troll job in the NYTimes by calling out American exceptionalism. You dumbasses fell for it hard core.

/the adults are farking thrilled with the outcome
//the mouthbreaters do what they always do
 
2013-09-15 10:51:02 AM
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/oblig
 
2013-09-15 10:54:41 AM

theknuckler_33: /oblig


is that the gop responce?

/wants tacos for some reason
 
2013-09-15 10:58:13 AM
i.imgur.com

Didya hear that Abelard?

Its "Putin on the Ritz!"
 
2013-09-15 10:58:17 AM
Fark Pooty Poot.
I repeat, Fark Pooty Poot.

If Obama bombed and killed Assad, he could do nothing.
 
2013-09-15 10:58:58 AM

NewportBarGuy: Dinki: But here is something real adults do - they worry more about getting something constructive accomplished and less about whether achieving that accomplishment will make your opponent look better or not. You might want to take that lesson to heart.

You are talking to people who tattoo USA! on their 2" dick. I thought he f*cked it up a little bit, but I like the result and we save a lot of money on missiles and bombs and jet fuel.

Maybe I thought he f*cked it up because all I'm used to is us bombing sh*t?

Meh... I'll take a chemical weapons free Syria. Now, if there are issues with the inspections/removal/destruction? That's going to get interesting.


Apparently, some people believe the bombing to be the ends, not the means, and so therefore consider this a failure. Of course, that really reveals an awful lot about their psychology and why they should never, ever be in charge.
 
2013-09-15 10:59:11 AM
Sorry, CNN, Vladimir isn't going to sleep with you.

I fully support a diplomatic resolution to Syria, but it'll be a hot day in Siberia, before I jump on the Pooty Cult bandwagon. I love Russian culture and the Russian people (except for the fascist scum who beat up gay kids), but I have no admiration for the KGB thug in the Kremlin.
 
2013-09-15 11:00:56 AM

sammyk: I don't get how people think Putin "won" anything. We are talking about a potential war that could very well set off a very very bad series of events. Like WWIII bad. It's the farking middle east and it's right next door to Isreal for farks sake. Things like that should be handled with very delicate diplomacy. Diplomacy does not include taking out full page ads in major newspapers so you can blast the other side. good diplomacy is when you show the other side respect at all times when speaking publicly. Then you let the diplomats yell and scream at each other behind closed doors until a deal is reached.

Now, the administration may have stumbled into this outcome by an offhand remark in a press conference. But John Kerry has done an outstanding job once the ball got going. I have to say hats off to his Russian counterpart as well. You guys have successfully stopped a war and set the world on a path of having less chemical weapons. You guys farking rock.

I want all you chuckleheads that think the POTUS bungled this to think about the last week. Our President has kept his farking mouth shut for the most part and stayed on message. Then he let the diplomats do their freaking jobs. Putin pulled a troll job in the NYTimes by calling out American exceptionalism. You dumbasses fell for it hard core.

/the adults are farking thrilled with the outcome
//the mouthbreaters do what they always do


Aside from the WWIII assertion, I agree with you.
 
2013-09-15 11:01:22 AM
In the strategy of "Good Cop/Bad Cop," generally, the credit for making a perp cooperate goes more to the "Bad Cop" than the "Good Cop."  A "Bad Cop" can get cooperation without the help of a "Good Cop," tho' it may be messy.  On the other hand, a "Good Cop" usually cannot get cooperation without the "Bad Cop."
 
2013-09-15 11:01:30 AM

sammyk: Our President has kept his farking mouth shut for the most part and stayed on message. Then he let the diplomats do their freaking jobs. Putin pulled a troll job in the NYTimes by calling out American exceptionalism. You dumbasses fell for it hard core.


Yes. Riiiiiiight.
So  CBS News and Margaret Brennan are playing an active role in forming US foreign policy now?
Don't be a Kool-Aid drinker!
They backed into a solution and will still screw this up unredeemably.
Just watch the pictures as they fly through the air....
 
2013-09-15 11:08:10 AM
I don't think there are any Russians
And there ain't no Yanks
Just corporate criminals
Playin' with tanks
 
2013-09-15 11:10:24 AM

theknuckler_33: [media.liveauctiongroup.net image 448x283]

/oblig


Super duper!

Incidentally, I have two friends who do this schtick at kareoke and it's farking hilarious. Wish I could find a video of it.
 
2013-09-15 11:11:00 AM

NewportBarGuy: I thought he f*cked it up a little bit, but I like the result and we save a lot of money on missiles and bombs and jet fuel.


I think most diplomatic efforts that are successful probably look like 'f*cked it up a little bit'.
 
2013-09-15 11:15:22 AM
Forgot to send a shout-out to subs for the headline.

Here's to you, Pootie. The gayest version I could think of.   =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Lq_Sroju8
 
2013-09-15 11:20:07 AM
♪ ♪
Dressed up wearing ushanka that is woollen
Trying hard to look like Joseph Stalin
(comrade is ballin)
♪ ♪
 
2013-09-15 11:20:12 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: They backed into a solution and will still screw this up unredeemably.


First of all, it's "irredeemably".

Second of all, why do you want this to fail?
 
2013-09-15 11:21:01 AM
Does anyone else suspect that both Russia and the US were thinking "Oh damn, we're rapidly talking ourselves into a totally unnecessary war over a third party nation that will cost a ton of money and risk spilling out into the entire Middle East for no real benefit to us, lets reach out to the other side behind the scenes and work out a way we can both climb down without looking like we're losing face and then put on a nice public show if negotiations."
 
2013-09-15 11:25:19 AM

Target Builder: Does anyone else suspect that both Russia and the US were thinking "Oh damn, we're rapidly talking ourselves into a totally unnecessary war over a third party nation for no real benefit to us, lets reach out to the other side behind the scenes and work out a way we can both climb down without looking like we're losing face and then put on a nice public show if negotiations."


Feels their pain.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-15 11:36:57 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: HotIgneous Intruder: They backed into a solution and will still screw this up unredeemably.

First of all, it's "irredeemably".

Second of all, why do you want this to fail?


Because Fartbongo and soshalisms.

Any criticism for how this is being handled that is not accompanied by a detailed description of what we supposedly should be doing/have done is nothing more than petty partisan hackery.
 
2013-09-15 11:43:11 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Fark Pooty Poot.
I repeat, Fark Pooty Poot.

If Obama bombed and killed Assad, he could do nothing.


Like Syria is the only place that Pootstain can make America bleed.

Russia could start by just doing what the US did: funnel a shiatload of AA missles to rebels in Afghanistan.  Sure, they hate and fear Islamic extremist even more than the US does, but sometimes you just have to suck it up and do the spiteful.  Maybe, an increasingly bloody extra two years of war there or make a deal on Syria that helps everybody?

Is that really even a question?
 
2013-09-15 11:43:46 AM
What an excellent headline!
 
2013-09-15 11:46:53 AM
Still fellating the Russian despot, are we patriots?
 
2013-09-15 11:59:15 AM
Super duper?
 
2013-09-15 12:02:44 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: HotIgneous Intruder: Fark Pooty Poot.
I repeat, Fark Pooty Poot.

If Obama bombed and killed Assad, he could do nothing.

Like Syria is the only place that Pootstain can make America bleed.

Russia could start by just doing what the US did: funnel a shiatload of AA missles to rebels in Afghanistan.  Sure, they hate and fear Islamic extremist even more than the US does, but sometimes you just have to suck it up and do the spiteful.  Maybe, an increasingly bloody extra two years of war there or make a deal on Syria that helps everybody?

Is that really even a question?


And nevermind that Putin has his hand on the valve that controls most of Western Europe's energy supply.
 
2013-09-15 12:04:06 PM
Jesus ...the whole world acknowledges that Putin routinely has people clipped. Isnt that the very definition of a dictator and a thug? What else goes CNN need to have a clue? Ramsey Clark as his lawyer?

Btw...subby, your headline is soooo full of win
 
2013-09-15 12:07:03 PM
The headline should have ended with Bermashave
 
2013-09-15 12:22:58 PM
Let Putin have his "victory". Basically Russia won the right to continue to be the backer of a terrible bad guy Assad while the world has pretty much agreed to do nothing as long as the chemical weapons are removed, and everyone wins except the Syrian people.
 
2013-09-15 12:28:32 PM
Thank you, Taco, for that tribute to Falco.
 
2013-09-15 12:28:36 PM
I don't know whether the Administration was playing rope-a-dope with Syria to convince them to come to the table or whether they just stumbled into this solution, but the end result is the same and they deserve credit for getting to this point.  Hopefully Syria cooperates.
 
2013-09-15 12:31:41 PM
Headline of the year.
 
2013-09-15 12:32:56 PM

bbfreak: Let Putin have his "victory". Basically Russia won the right to continue to be the backer of a terrible bad guy Assad while the world has pretty much agreed to do nothing as long as the chemical weapons are removed, and everyone wins except the Syrian people.


The 'world' will do nothing, whether the CW is removed or not.    No one has done anything to present a case for forming a broad coalition of nations to address Syria.    Diplomacy by the US has been mindless.   Nothing there but a few sound bites.

The US will try to spin a newer story now of opposing Hizbullah and its supporter Iran.  You will see more CNN pundits trying to bundle Syria/Hizbullah/Iran.

But Americans will not fall for it.     America has declined and is broke.   The credit cards are maxed out.
We should not spend one dime on the Asshats in Syria.   Their civil war, not ours.

If there is any merit to 'saving' the Middle East once again....let the EU do it.   They can use their stellar diplomacy and stunning military(s) to form a coalition and do the job.

Surely the EU doesn't want to ride Americas coattails once again?   Surely they don't mind going into deeper debt ?
 
2013-09-15 12:33:50 PM

cc_rider: Sorry, CNN, Vladimir isn't going to sleep with you.

I fully support a diplomatic resolution to Syria, but it'll be a hot day in Siberia, before I jump on the Pooty Cult bandwagon. I love Russian culture and the Russian people (except for the fascist scum who beat up gay kids), but I have no admiration for the KGB thug in the Kremlin.


I sure hope we never elect an ex-CIA head President!
 
2013-09-15 12:34:25 PM

Mentat: I don't know whether the Administration was playing rope-a-dope with Syria to convince them to come to the table or whether they just stumbled into this solution, but the end result is the same and they deserve credit for getting to this point.  Hopefully Syria cooperates.


And that is the part that makes it hard for me to understand how anyone can consider this some kind of diplomatic victory for Putin. If anything, this puts him squarely on the hot seat. If Syria does not cooperate, his supposed position as some sort of diplomatic player in this situation will be seriously compromised. Or, worse yet, if Syria appears to cooperate, but then some other chem weapons attack occurs in Syria down the road, there will literally be zero reason not to launch attacks.
 
2013-09-15 12:40:21 PM

cc_rider: I fully support a diplomatic resolution to Syria, but it'll be a hot day in Siberia, before I jump on the Pooty Cult bandwagon. I love Russian culture and the Russian people (except for the fascist scum who beat up gay kids), but I have no admiration for the KGB thug in the Kremlin.


This this thisity this. And the Russians are getting restless under the thumb of Pooty Poot's imperial tendencies. I'll go out on a limb and say in five years Putin's regime will have imploded or there'll be another Tienanmen Square, only this time in front of the Kremlin, and with the same outcome.
 
2013-09-15 12:46:45 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Headline of the year.


Second.
 
2013-09-15 12:48:41 PM

bbfreak: Let Putin have his "victory". Basically Russia won the right to continue to be the backer of a terrible bad guy Assad while the world has pretty much agreed to do nothing as long as the chemical weapons are removed, and everyone wins except the Syrian people.


How will they ever get up to face the day without american bombs crashing in through their roofs?!

I don't even want to imagine such a life.
 
2013-09-15 12:51:41 PM
Excellent headline.
 
2013-09-15 12:55:06 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: HotIgneous Intruder: They backed into a solution and will still screw this up unredeemably.

First of all, it's "irredeemably".

Second of all, why do you want this to fail?


I'm a realist who has studied history and watched Obama in "action."
He's a real genius. And by "genius" I mean stooge, just like the Bushes before him.
 
2013-09-15 12:57:56 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: First of all, it's "irredeemably".


No.
I intended, "unredeemable" and that's what I wrote and that's what I meant to write.
Study it out.
 
2013-09-15 01:00:20 PM
Someone needs to tell Matt Drudge to knock it the Fark off over on his website. It looks like WWIII is about to happen on his page. Unless he too is in bed with our government and we want war.
 
2013-09-15 01:02:55 PM

Apik0r0s: And nevermind that Putin has his hand on the valve that controls most of Western Europe's energy supply.


Well there.
Somebody finally mentioned it as an afterthought.
The reason Putin is batshiat all over this is because a US aligned regime in Syria would ensure an Arab gas pipeline for Europe.

This is not hard to understand.
 
2013-09-15 01:06:54 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: NewportBarGuy: I thought he f*cked it up a little bit, but I like the result and we save a lot of money on missiles and bombs and jet fuel.

I think most diplomatic efforts that are successful probably look like 'f*cked it up a little bit'.


Agreed...

i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-15 01:09:04 PM

bbfreak: Let Putin have his "victory". Basically Russia won the right to continue to be the backer of a terrible bad guy Assad while the world has pretty much agreed to do nothing as long as the chemical weapons are removed, and everyone wins except the Syrian people.


Not only is Putin backing Syria, they are OK'ing the partial disarmament of the Syrian military.  Let's reverse the roles.  Say the US just signed an agreement with Russia saying they'd participate in a process to remove nukes from Israel.  Who'd be the victor then?  Obama handed Putin his ass.
 
2013-09-15 01:15:22 PM

A_Shogun_named_Rick: Jesus ...the whole world acknowledges that Putin routinely has people clipped. Isnt that the very definition of a dictator and a thug? What else goes CNN need to have a clue? Ramsey Clark as his lawyer?


Ummmm the Obama administration literally has regularly scheduled powerpoint presentations where he picks out people to be "clipped". Just sayin.
 
2013-09-15 01:21:16 PM
subby

Nice title
(just figured it out)
 
2013-09-15 01:22:20 PM

Dinki: The GOP is spinning like mad trying to make this into a defeat for Obama. But the simple fact is Obama got exactly what he wanted without firing a shot. Syria is going to lose their chemical weapons. That is HUGE. Why? Because CW are the poor mans nukes. As long as they had them, they had something to threaten Israel with that was at least superficially on par with the Israeli nukes. Now they will have nothing.


Weapons that Russia and Syria first denied existed, then denied using. Now they say they'll get rid of them. A) What makes you think they're telling the truth, B) How much CW ordnance is there, where is it, and how do you know, C) How will you confirm that they've actually done what they said, and D) How many years are you prepared to wait for this process to take place, cuz locating, identifying, safing, then disposing of chemical weapons takes a very long time and lots of highly-trained experts.

I don't disagree that Obama got exactly what he wanted, but where I differ is that I think what he wanted was any excuse to not follow through on his threat after shooting his mouth off about "consequences". He definitely got that excuse.
 
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