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2013-09-14 07:59:29 PM
That cat might know.
 
2013-09-14 08:06:51 PM

Nefarious: That cat might know.


the cat is both in and not in aruba.

Also, what if our physical beings are just an elaborate prison designed to trap energy beings in an alternate reality, and people who die are just being paroled from their sentences?
 
2013-09-14 08:07:38 PM
Only until you think about it.
 
2013-09-14 08:07:56 PM
50/50, i'm going with no. Because if it's no it's easier to fathom, so i'm hoping. Otherwise I might have to read the article.
 
2013-09-14 08:10:30 PM
Is it quantized?

Like, are there integer values of possible conscious states?
 
2013-09-14 08:10:43 PM
It's articles like these, that kinda get me excited about the afterlife.
 
2013-09-14 08:12:53 PM
Fraa Jad knows the answer, but it would be tedious to explain it to you.

/obscure?
 
2013-09-14 08:19:02 PM
A casual Googling of the idea says "No". The main reason being a quantum computer has to be very cold to avoid quantum "noise" disrupting the process.

Nice idea though
 
2013-09-14 08:19:25 PM
Why not. Solace is a quantum thing, evidently.
 
2013-09-14 08:20:17 PM

Bathysphere: It's articles like these, that kinda get me excited about the afterlife.


Why's that?
 
2013-09-14 08:29:28 PM
I have learned from COD we just re-spawn.
 
2013-09-14 08:33:49 PM
I'm not saying it's quantum
Because it's actually ancient aliens.
 
2013-09-14 08:37:17 PM
Did Deepak Chopra write this piece of drivel?
 
2013-09-14 08:47:26 PM

Morchella: Why not. Solace is a quantum thing, evidently.


Spider Robinson fan?
 
2013-09-14 08:51:04 PM

timujin: Bathysphere: It's articles like these, that kinda get me excited about the afterlife.

Why's that?


It just adds more mystery for what separates the mind from the soul, the question of whether souls exist, and the whole, "where 'we' go when we die?", topic.
 
2013-09-14 08:53:22 PM
Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.
 
2013-09-14 09:03:53 PM

Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.


Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.
 
2013-09-14 09:04:23 PM

DamnYankees: Did Deepak Chopra write this piece of drivel?


Here ya go, Random Deepak.  http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ & just as, um profound.

2wolves: Morchella: Why not. Solace is a quantum thing, evidently.

Spider Robinson fan?


Yeah, but I was thinking of a movie title.
 
2013-09-14 09:05:44 PM

Morchella: DamnYankees: Did Deepak Chopra write this piece of drivel?

Here ya go, Random Deepak.  http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ & just as, um profound.

2wolves: Morchella: Why not. Solace is a quantum thing, evidently.

Spider Robinson fan?

Yeah, but I was thinking of a movie title.


Jimmy Bond no doubt.
 
2013-09-14 09:08:13 PM
I'm not sure I'm ready to take that leap
 
2013-09-14 09:13:22 PM
I've found that if a question is posed in a FARK headline, the answer is usually "NO."

Nefarious: That cat might know.


Maybe.
 
2013-09-14 09:15:32 PM

xanadian: I've found that if a question is posed in a FARK headline, the answer is usually "NO."

Nefarious: That cat might know.

Maybe.


Well let's open that damn box and ask him
 
2013-09-14 09:44:58 PM
Quantum... a great word to throw around when you want to say something mystical but with a veneer of scientific credibility.
 
2013-09-14 09:46:16 PM

FrancoFile: Fraa Jad knows the answer, but it would be tedious to explain it to you.

/obscure?


Farking Incanters.
 
2013-09-14 09:48:04 PM

SomeAmerican: Quantum... a great word to throw around when you want to say something mystical but with a veneer of scientific credibility.


It can be anything you want it to be!
 
2013-09-14 09:49:24 PM
I never know if mine is going to be there or not, so in that respect...
 
2013-09-14 09:53:49 PM

DamnYankees: Did Deepak Chopra write this piece of drivel?


Seriously.  I thought it might be an article about quantum effects driving certain important brain processes like the quantum effects that are part of photosynthesis.  But no, it was total drivel.

The first red flag went up when the author talked about wave function collapse as if it were a "thing" and that was quickly followed by "non physical".  There's nothing "non physical" about quantum mechanics, people!
 
2013-09-14 09:54:17 PM

SomeAmerican: Quantum... a great word to throw around when you want to say something mystical but with a veneer of scientific credibility.


The technical term is "quantum woo".
 
2013-09-14 09:55:05 PM

DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.


You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.
 
2013-09-14 09:57:26 PM

Felgraf: DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.

You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.


shiat the question in that last one sounded snarkier than I meant it!
I meant, did you actually have a cite for scientists being less spiritual, I would be curious.
 
2013-09-14 09:59:21 PM

Felgraf: DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.

You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.


http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_scien ce #Perspectives_from_the_scientific_community
 
2013-09-14 10:02:05 PM
Sure, what the hell.
 
2013-09-14 10:05:17 PM

Baryogenesis: Felgraf: DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.

You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_scien ce #Perspectives_from_the_scientific_community


Interesting, although it's a bit confused about the 'spirituality' part. Since the wikipedia article seems to talk about how a large number of scientists don't believe in god... but also mentions how several scientists seem to consider themselves spiritual without religion or belief in a specific god (And I suspect I fall into that category).

The difference between physicians and scientists is interesting, too. They make conjectures about the possible social factors at play,b ut.. that's still really fascinating!
 
2013-09-14 10:07:17 PM
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I refuse to seriously consider any medical theorizing from members of a goddamned shock rock band.
 
2013-09-14 10:08:47 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-09-14 10:11:52 PM

Baryogenesis: Felgraf: DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.

You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_scien ce #Perspectives_from_the_scientific_community


Hrn and your first link doesn't define what they meant by 'personal god' (as it could exclude non-deistic religions like Buddhism, and might also exclude animistic religions.) And without a definition of human immortality, I'm not sure of buddhism counts or not. (Since you don't necessarily remember your 'previous' incarnation, so... are you still you?)

I am probably overthinking this.

Or I'm skimming too fast due to being tired. Either or!
 
2013-09-14 10:14:00 PM
Argument from ignorance -- it might be hard to figure out though we haven't really made a good go at it yet, so it must be magic quantum!

Thermodynamic processes at body temperature and living cell conditions will overwhelm any processes that the quantum woo people are supposing will happen inside a neuron. No quantum tunnelling. Not yours.
 
2013-09-14 10:18:13 PM

Nefarious: That cat might know.



i470.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-14 10:21:33 PM

Felgraf: Baryogenesis: Felgraf: DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.

You have a study to cite on this or experience as a physicist?

/Physicist, and spiritual.
//Alibiet in a weird, reverse-pascal's-wager-way. And I do not base it on physics/quantum mechanics. FARK depak chopra.
///In that I have some vague spiritual beliefs, but believe what is most important, regardless of god or not, is to try and help others/live a good life.
////That said: FARK Deepak Chopra.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_scien ce #Perspectives_from_the_scientific_community

Hrn and your first link doesn't define what they meant by 'personal god' (as it could exclude non-deistic religions like Buddhism, and might also exclude animistic religions.) And without a definition of human immortality, I'm not sure of buddhism counts or not. (Since you don't necessarily remember your 'previous' incarnation, so... are you still you?)

I am probably overthinking this.

Or I'm skimming too fast due to being tired. Either or!


I imagine phrasing the questions differently, like including 'spiritual' as a choice, or asking about Buddhism would end up with similar results.  Scientists are much less likely than the general public to believe in God(s), souls, reincarnation, ghosts, etc.
 
2013-09-14 10:22:02 PM

DamnYankees: Bathysphere: Physicists and mathematicians have been know to be very spiritual people, and as an atheist, I'm curious to know what knowledge they have that provokes their spirituality.

Scientists, especially physicists, are WAY LESS spiritual than other people.


Not always

www.quantonics.com
 
2013-09-14 10:23:33 PM
So in other words, they can't explain consciousness.
 
2013-09-14 10:23:59 PM

Kit Fister: Nefarious: That cat might know.

the cat is both in and not in aruba.

Also, what if our physical beings are just an elaborate prison designed to trap energy beings in an alternate reality, and people who die are just being paroled from their sentences?


lucien0maverick.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-14 10:24:45 PM

jamspoon: A casual Googling of the idea says "No". The main reason being a quantum computer has to be very cold to avoid quantum "noise" disrupting the process.

Nice idea though


Which doesn't mean 1billion yrs of evolution could have found a work around. But it seems unnecessary. There's plenty of weirdness in classical statistical mechanics that go overlook cuz quantum sounds cool.
 
2013-09-14 10:26:59 PM
Meta
 
2013-09-14 10:32:25 PM
It's punctuated... with long pauses of irrelevance and trolling in between.
 
2013-09-14 10:34:15 PM
Physicists I've known have been hard-nosed realists eschewing superstition. Mathematicians, on the other hand, seem more susceptible. I suspect it derives from the experimentalist's experience with ugly, noisy, inexplicable, and contradictory data whereas theorists work with scribblings on notebook paper. Empiricism very quickly disabuses one of any notions of design in nature.
 
2013-09-14 10:41:35 PM
I think the brain is a quantum transducer.
 
2013-09-14 10:41:42 PM

Kit Fister: Nefarious: That cat might know.

the cat is both in and not in aruba.

Also, what if our physical beings are just an elaborate prison designed to trap energy beings in an alternate reality, and people who die are just being paroled from their sentences?


If coffee was a horse would you ride it?
 
2013-09-14 10:43:28 PM
This is hypothesis and not theory. Theory is a working explanation of a phenomenon based on observation. Even hypothesis should be extrapolated from observation not pulled out of your ass.
 
2013-09-14 10:49:04 PM
This is so...I can't even...
Does anyone else find it interesting that the Godhead's name in Hebrew is I AM ?
 
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