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2013-09-14 02:35:27 PM  
It's cool that Intel has been able to evolve Atom so that it can compete head to head with the best ARM chips in both performance and power draw.  If MS transitions the Windows Phone line to this, and makes it so that the same applications can run on your Windows Phone and Windows Desktop, this could be a game changer.
 
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2013-09-14 03:06:56 PM  
Well, my last one did.
 
2013-09-14 03:33:35 PM  
Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline
 
2013-09-14 03:37:40 PM  

cman: Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline


I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that comes down the pipeline.
 
2013-09-14 03:51:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It's cool that Intel has been able to evolve Atom so that it can compete head to head with the best ARM chips in both performance and power draw.  If MS transitions the Windows Phone line to this, and makes it so that the same applications can run on your Windows Phone and Windows Desktop, this could be a game changer.


Google had better move fast then.  They only have so much time to unfrak the monopoly Microsoft has had on the desktop for the past 25 years.

Google needs to win this fight.  The OS needs to be OSS.
 
2013-09-14 03:52:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: cman: Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that comes down the pipeline.


No, Microsoft made two mistakes. The first was the use a cut down, ARM version of Windows 8 instead of the Windows Phone OS. The 2nd mistake was to price it the same as the iPad. No one has gone head to head price wise with the iPad and won.

If the RT used Windows Phone OS it would of helped boost the WP app ecosystem (which is the only real flaw with Windows Phone) and helped boost the Nokia and HTC WP handsets. Instead the RT was used to try boost Windows 8 and failed.
 
2013-09-14 04:04:03 PM  
The shocking thing is that it's taken them this long.
 
2013-09-14 04:12:21 PM  

MrEricSir: The shocking thing is that it's taken them this long.


Not really, Intel is a massive company with a ton of inertia.  They don't make sharp turns well, but are unstoppable when they build up a head of steam.
 
2013-09-14 04:13:54 PM  
My tablet already does.  I just bought an HP Split X2, a convertible laptop/tablet.  Love it.  Intel core i3.  Not even the top of the line model, but still fast as hell.
 
2013-09-14 04:15:06 PM  
Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

Wait, I've been told over and over again that Microsoft's mistake was being too late to the market but now their mistake is that they were too early to the market?
 
2013-09-14 04:16:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It's cool that Intel has been able to evolve Atom so that it can compete head to head with the best ARM chips in both performance and power draw.  If MS transitions the Windows Phone line to this, and makes it so that the same applications can run on your Windows Phone and Windows Desktop, this could be a game changer.


That's what they said about the current iteration of windows phone, and was the flimsy excuse they gave for not pushing WP8.0 to WP7 devices.

That'll never happen. Two reasons:

1) it'll be hard y'all to scale your apps to work both on a desktop and on a phone

2) if you can get desktop apps on your phone, then you don't need to buy their tablet.
 
2013-09-14 04:17:05 PM  

Hollie Maea: MrEricSir: The shocking thing is that it's taken them this long.

Not really, Intel is a massive company with a ton of inertia.  They don't make sharp turns well, but are unstoppable when they build up a head of steam.


That's basically how AMD was able to beat them in terms of performance for a while.  Intel was full steam ahead with the Netburst P4 architecture, AMD saw a better way and was nimble enough to execute on it.  Of course, Intel eventually figured out they couldn't hit 10ghz with Netburst like they thought, and realized that TDP was off the charts on their newest chips, so they went back to the drawing board and the Core architecture was born (well, really adapted from their mobile chip architecture).

Intel used to be an ARM licensee, with their xScale chips.  Since they've given that up and thrown everything behind low power draw x86 chips, they're really making a ton of headway.
 
2013-09-14 04:19:08 PM  

sure haven't: TuteTibiImperes: It's cool that Intel has been able to evolve Atom so that it can compete head to head with the best ARM chips in both performance and power draw.  If MS transitions the Windows Phone line to this, and makes it so that the same applications can run on your Windows Phone and Windows Desktop, this could be a game changer.

That's what they said about the current iteration of windows phone, and was the flimsy excuse they gave for not pushing WP8.0 to WP7 devices.

That'll never happen. Two reasons:

1) it'll be hard y'all to scale your apps to work both on a desktop and on a phone

2) if you can get desktop apps on your phone, then you don't need to buy their tablet.


It would be possible to do 'fat' binaries that had multiple interfaces for the same program, but I agree it wouldn't work for everything.

You can run the same apps on the iPhone as you can the iPad, and that hasn't slowed the iPad down.  People buy tablets for the larger screen.
 
2013-09-14 04:21:40 PM  

EngineerAU: Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

Wait, I've been told over and over again that Microsoft's mistake was being too late to the market but now their mistake is that they were too early to the market?


I must be backwards, I have made the move back to my gadgets and computers running Windows stuff, surface RT, Windows phone, Windows 8 laptop and am quite satisfied...

IMHO the surface makes for a good tablet that can double as a good unit for doing work on documents and spreadsheets if I need it.  People seem to want to compare it to a full computer when feature wise it should be stacked up against an iPad that it can do more than out of the box.
 
2013-09-14 04:24:53 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: that the same applications can run on your Windows Phone and Windows Desktop, this could be a game changer.


You mean the one thing people said RT had to do?  Yeah I'd say your chances of that are somewhere between slim and none.   Factoring that simple issue in and MS's simple desire to fark things up for themselves these last few decades.... yeah.

An x86 powered Windows Phone is going to have a battery life measured in femtoseconds and for no other reason than MS decided to use a CR2323 watch battery.
 
2013-09-14 04:27:41 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: You can run the same apps on the iPhone as you can the iPad, and that hasn't slowed the iPad down. People buy tablets for the larger screen.


iPhones also top out at like 3.5 inches, whereas Nokia is releasing a 6" wp in november. Getting close to tablet size.

All that aside, I'm just being cynical. I'm a WP user and love the platform, but I'm just realistic about its future. I use it for the ease and the design, but I'm well aware of it's limitations and the mismanagement of it.
 
2013-09-14 04:29:57 PM  

MrEricSir: The shocking thing is that it's taken them this long.


Regime changes at Intel and Microsoft had to happen first.
Intel was unwilling to relax their very high standards of quality and reliability simply to get to market first.  With the rapidly evolving mobile market, those two qualities took a back seat to whiz bang innovation and battery life and Intel fell behind.  When they felt that they could bring those features to market with the performance and battery life required to compete, they jumped in.  Now they are bringing their immense manufacturing capacity to bear.  This could be very interesting if Apple and Microsoft get on board with Intel at the level they should.  With the full support of the Intel factory, Apple and MS can focus on what they do best, the UX instead of constantly tweaking and compromising to get around limitations in the hardware.
 
2013-09-14 04:40:49 PM  
And, in either case, it'll probably be gathering intel on YOU..
 
2013-09-14 04:58:23 PM  
Windows RT is essentially Windows 8 running on ARM processors.  It was in development years ahead of MS entering the tablet market and it will continue to be in development if they cancel all RT tablet sales tomorrow.  Microsoft is just keeping their toes in the ARM world in case it starts taking away from Intel-based lappies and even desktops.  They can lose tons on RT tablets and still gain valuable experience with Windows on ARM.
 
2013-09-14 05:02:04 PM  

Norfolking Chance: TuteTibiImperes: cman: Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that comes down the pipeline.

No, Microsoft made two mistakes. The first was the use a cut down, ARM version of Windows 8 instead of the Windows Phone OS. The 2nd mistake was to price it the same as the iPad. No one has gone head to head price wise with the iPad and won.

If the RT used Windows Phone OS it would of helped boost the WP app ecosystem (which is the only real flaw with Windows Phone) and helped boost the Nokia and HTC WP handsets. Instead the RT was used to try boost Windows 8 and failed.


Basing the tablet off of Win Phone would also have helped perfect some of the rough edges in WP8, like Honeycomb did for Android phones, which would have made WP8 more competitive. The RT fiasco basically hurt not only Microsoft's tablet business, but it also hurt the phone side of things and inflicted desktop users with a touch interface that sucks for a keyboard and mouse. It could go down as Microsoft's worst blunder ever.
 
2013-09-14 05:22:10 PM  
anyone else read that as 'toilet' ??
 
2013-09-14 05:48:41 PM  

sure haven't: TuteTibiImperes: You can run the same apps on the iPhone as you can the iPad, and that hasn't slowed the iPad down. People buy tablets for the larger screen.

iPhones also top out at like 3.5 inches, whereas Nokia is releasing a 6" wp in november. Getting close to tablet size.

All that aside, I'm just being cynical. I'm a WP user and love the platform, but I'm just realistic about its future. I use it for the ease and the design, but I'm well aware of it's limitations and the mismanagement of it.


I'm a WP user as well.  I had one of the old Windows Mobile 6.whatever phones, which was OK for the time, but I was blown away by how good the iPhone was when I switched to that.  I went back to Windows Phone for WP8 with the Nokia 920 and I've been very happy with it.  The app ecosystem isn't as mature as Android or iOS, but that could be cured if it becomes compatible with full Windows 8 and the same OS that runs on the tablets runs on the phone, just like it does for Android and Apple.

MS isn't going to give up on the mobile space, it's just too huge a market.  They were willing to lose tons of money on the original Xbox to gain market share, they'll do the same here.
 
2013-09-14 05:50:40 PM  
It's more-or-less inevitable that x86/x86-64 tablets will dominate within the next 5 years. Being able to run Windows apps on a tablet is just too compelling. The only thing that has been holding it back is power consumption. Well, and price. They need to get it down to under $400 for a base model.
 
2013-09-14 06:08:28 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: EngineerAU: Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

Wait, I've been told over and over again that Microsoft's mistake was being too late to the market but now their mistake is that they were too early to the market?

I must be backwards, I have made the move back to my gadgets and computers running Windows stuff, surface RT, Windows phone, Windows 8 laptop and am quite satisfied...

IMHO the surface makes for a good tablet that can double as a good unit for doing work on documents and spreadsheets if I need it.  People seem to want to compare it to a full computer when feature wise it should be stacked up against an iPad that it can do more than out of the box.


The problem with Surface is that the deep app library on iOS tends to neutralize the out of box advantage the Surface RT has. Yes, it is a LOT better for Office docs than an iPad running iWork or Quick Office, and you can do some nice things with RDP, but if you want to do CAD work out in the field you don't have AutoCAD 360. If you want to use the tablet as a mobile POS, you don't have Square. The list goes on and on. The strength of iOS really isn't the operating system, because it is honestly pretty mediocre these days, the strength is that it is the most-lived mobile platforms for app development.

I seem to remember someone at Microsoft once chanting about the importance of developers. When you lose mindshare with them, your platform is doomed. I think a lot of issues that Microsoft is having now is a result of being just a little too greedy in the past, and alienating a whole generation of young programmers to the point where is it just not seen as cool to develop an app for Microsoft For example, the lack of an Instagram app for WP8 seems to be a direct result of that dev team just having an actual grudge against Microsoft. Redmond wanted to pay for an app to be developed and Instagram refused to let them do it, even though it would have opened them up to a few million more uses without them having to spend a dime.
 
2013-09-14 06:41:04 PM  
This will be the last quarter that traditional PCs outsell tablets, from now until we stop making the distinction.  Of course Intel wants in on that.

Windows on a tablet has been a miserable failure for 18 years, and apparently the problem has not been the tablet all along, but the software.  This trend will continue.

Intel has promised us cheaper than $100 Android tablets for Christmas.  This looks promising but they tend to hold back features to avoid competing with their other products, so I am in wait-and-see mode.  If I want a cheap hunk of junk with low-res capacitive display, poor performance and poor connection options I can get that already for $50 on Amazon.
 
2013-09-14 06:47:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: cman: Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that comes down the pipeline.


I think the problem is that they jumped the gun, so trying to sell a second chance item is going to be pretty iffy. They're going to have to make it one killer item and get it out there to be well known at a price point where people will buy it to win this time around.
 
2013-09-14 06:48:44 PM  

symbolset: This will be the last quarter that traditional PCs outsell tablets, from now until we stop making the distinction.  Of course Intel wants in on that.

Windows on a tablet has been a miserable failure for 18 years, and apparently the problem has not been the tablet all along, but the software.  This trend will continue.

Intel has promised us cheaper than $100 Android tablets for Christmas.  This looks promising but they tend to hold back features to avoid competing with their other products, so I am in wait-and-see mode.  If I want a cheap hunk of junk with low-res capacitive display, poor performance and poor connection options I can get that already for $50 on Amazon.


There have already been cheaper than $100 Android tablets, they've just sucked, as any device that solely targets the low end of the market will continue to do.

The Surface Pro is a pretty good device, as is the Surface RT as long as you realize the limitations going in and are willing to live with them for the new (lower) price point.

Tablets will sell well for the next several years because most people don't have them.  PCs are a saturated market and they tend to have a longer effective usable life than tablets do.  PCs are still necessary to do any real work as well as for general convenience of use, but as tablets improve the mobility they provide will always be appealing.
 
2013-09-14 06:50:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: MS isn't going to give up on the mobile space, it's just too huge a market. They were willing to lose tons of money on the original Xbox to gain market share, they'll do the same here.


Hopefully they don't. Windows 8 is, *actually* a decent OS. If I can get a platform that translates desktop apps to mobile apps, and is more stable than Android, I'm in.  I love my iPhone, but it's not as useful as my android in some ways. The Android, on the other hand, is a decent OS, but I find that it suffers a little from the crap that gets loaded on it that causes performance to degrade over time. I have to reboot my droid or restore the phone at least once a month. never had to with the iOS.
 
2013-09-14 06:53:33 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: There have already been cheaper than $100 Android tablets, they've just sucked, as any device that solely targets the low end of the market will continue to do.

The Surface Pro is a pretty good device, as is the Surface RT as long as you realize the limitations going in and are willing to live with them for the new (lower) price point.

Tablets will sell well for the next several years because most people don't have them. PCs are a saturated market and they tend to have a longer effective usable life than tablets do. PCs are still necessary to do any real work as well as for general convenience of use, but as tablets improve the mobility they provide will always be appealing.


I agree.  I would really love a device that's as transportable as a tablet, but lets me convert between laptop mode and tablet mode and still use/access all the crap on my desktop PC. Heck, I'd love a device that essentially just turns my desktop into a terminal server so I can access the apps and data on it without having to remote in or do weird stuff.
 
2013-09-14 06:56:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Of course, Intel eventually figured out they couldn't hit 10ghz with Netburst like they thought...


That's not entirely true. We had a 10Ghz Netburst processor on our bench in a tank of liquid nitrogen and a kilowatt power supply (unheard of the time) to power it. It was impressive but ultimately useless. I played with it for a while before being shuffled off to work on Xeons (dual cores! High tech!).

/retired
//NDA ran out a long time ago.
 
2013-09-14 06:58:17 PM  

Caelistis: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, Intel eventually figured out they couldn't hit 10ghz with Netburst like they thought...

That's not entirely true. We had a 10Ghz Netburst processor on our bench in a tank of liquid nitrogen and a kilowatt power supply (unheard of the time) to power it. It was impressive but ultimately useless. I played with it for a while before being shuffled off to work on Xeons (dual cores! High tech!).

/retired
//NDA ran out a long time ago.


I'd like to see a point where GPUs and CPUs are no longer entirely mutually exclusive.
 
2013-09-14 07:06:35 PM  

Kit Fister: Caelistis: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, Intel eventually figured out they couldn't hit 10ghz with Netburst like they thought...

That's not entirely true. We had a 10Ghz Netburst processor on our bench in a tank of liquid nitrogen and a kilowatt power supply (unheard of the time) to power it. It was impressive but ultimately useless. I played with it for a while before being shuffled off to work on Xeons (dual cores! High tech!).

/retired
//NDA ran out a long time ago.

I'd like to see a point where GPUs and CPUs are no longer entirely mutually exclusive.


That's starting to happen already, with CPU cores more and more integrating GPU cores.  GPUs are incredibly powerful at certain tasks.  With the right software and a task that scales well to parallel processing, GPUs can process an enormous amount of data.  For general and unpredictable tasks however, they're nowhere near as powerful as CPUs.  They're very different in design because they're tasked with doing different things.  Things like CUDA that allow the GPU to be handed tasks that it's strong with are a good step, and hopefully that eventually becomes seamless such that your OS will just let the GPU process things it should process even when it isn't graphics work while the CPU does what it should do.

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: MS isn't going to give up on the mobile space, it's just too huge a market. They were willing to lose tons of money on the original Xbox to gain market share, they'll do the same here.

Hopefully they don't. Windows 8 is, *actually* a decent OS. If I can get a platform that translates desktop apps to mobile apps, and is more stable than Android, I'm in.  I love my iPhone, but it's not as useful as my android in some ways. The Android, on the other hand, is a decent OS, but I find that it suffers a little from the crap that gets loaded on it that causes performance to degrade over time. I have to reboot my droid or restore the phone at least once a month. never had to with the iOS.


I think Windows Phone 8 is a nice middle ground.  It's more flexible than iOS, but not as fragmented as Android.  You get timely updates almost as quickly as you do with Apple, and can customize things more than iOS as well.
 
2013-09-14 07:10:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think Windows Phone 8 is a nice middle ground. It's more flexible than iOS, but not as fragmented as Android. You get timely updates almost as quickly as you do with Apple, and can customize things more than iOS as well.


I might have to trade in my Droid phone for a WPh8 phone then.

Also, I owe you an apology. I said some horrible things about you in a previous thread, and I'm sorry about that. Friends?
 
2013-09-14 07:18:03 PM  

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: I think Windows Phone 8 is a nice middle ground. It's more flexible than iOS, but not as fragmented as Android. You get timely updates almost as quickly as you do with Apple, and can customize things more than iOS as well.

I might have to trade in my Droid phone for a WPh8 phone then.

Also, I owe you an apology. I said some horrible things about you in a previous thread, and I'm sorry about that. Friends?


Was it a gun thread?  No hard feelings, sometimes I provoke that reaction.
 
2013-09-14 07:27:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Was it a gun thread? No hard feelings, sometimes I provoke that reaction.


It was indeed. We disagree on the subject, but I should've been more polite, as i think if we had an honest conversation without the emotions, we'd see each other eye to eye a lot better.
 
2013-09-14 08:03:00 PM  

EngineerAU: Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

Wait, I've been told over and over again that Microsoft's mistake was being too late to the market but now their mistake is that they were too early to the market?


I would say that's a very poor criticism to make of Microsoft's handheld efforts. It may or may not be true; it is irrelevant. They would be more successful if they delivered a better product. They're not being outsold because people think "Well, I don't think this OS is mature enough..."
 
2013-09-14 08:04:49 PM  

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: Was it a gun thread? No hard feelings, sometimes I provoke that reaction.

It was indeed. We disagree on the subject, but I should've been more polite, as i think if we had an honest conversation without the emotions, we'd see each other eye to eye a lot better.


You and I may disagree on things, but you seem like a good person. I hope for good things in your life.
 
2013-09-14 08:16:07 PM  

LavenderWolf: You and I may disagree on things, but you seem like a good person. I hope for good things in your life.


Unfortunately, my life is crap right now. Oh well. :)
 
2013-09-14 08:23:59 PM  
Your next phone or tablet may well have Intel Inside

No. No it won't.
 
2013-09-14 08:29:25 PM  

symbolset: This will be the last quarter that traditional PCs outsell tablets, from now until we stop making the distinction.  Of course Intel wants in on that.

Windows on a tablet has been a miserable failure for 18 years, and apparently the problem has not been the tablet all along, but the software.  This trend will continue.

Intel has promised us cheaper than $100 Android tablets for Christmas.  This looks promising but they tend to hold back features to avoid competing with their other products, so I am in wait-and-see mode.  If I want a cheap hunk of junk with low-res capacitive display, poor performance and poor connection options I can get that already for $50 on Amazon.


a basic Asus tablet can be had for $109 on Newegg.
 
2013-09-14 08:33:24 PM  

Kit Fister: LavenderWolf: You and I may disagree on things, but you seem like a good person. I hope for good things in your life.

Unfortunately, my life is crap right now. Oh well. :)


A few weeks ago I lost my job and cut my hand in half.

This week I have a beautiful girlfriend who has two kids that just adore me.

Things can improve, my friend. Faster than you think.
 
2013-09-14 08:51:53 PM  
A general purpose cpu will never be as efficient as an asic. Battery life matters.
 
2013-09-14 08:54:45 PM  
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

someone let me know when intel graphics are capable of rendering a turd...
 
2013-09-14 09:22:06 PM  
What the hell? AMD has been doing this for a while now. x86 has already been on these form factors.
 
2013-09-14 09:34:18 PM  

Maul555: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

someone let me know when intel graphics are capable of rendering a turd...


Unless you are doing Maya or trying to play Crysis, the newer integrated Intel graphics isn't all that bad for most users. It comparatively kind of sucks since AMD's integrated graphics can basically power the PS4 and Xbox One, but objectively they are not nearly as terrible as they were when Vista was launching and they couldn't handle Aero.
 
2013-09-15 01:30:43 AM  

Kit Fister: TuteTibiImperes: cman: Umpteenth thread that I have said this in:

Windows RT was a huge mistake. Microsoft should have waited for this Atom, which they knew was in the pipeline

I agree, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like that comes down the pipeline.

I think the problem is that they jumped the gun, so trying to sell a second chance item is going to be pretty iffy. They're going to have to make it one killer item and get it out there to be well known at a price point where people will buy it to win this time around.


I really don't think it ever should have existed. Even the Atoms at the time were getting at least semi-competitive battery life to ARM tablets. The damage was that RT confused a lot of people. I'm sure there are many out there that think Windows 8 breaks all backwards compatibility, for example.

It was a colossal marketing failure that has created a lot of avoidable FUD around Windows 8 in general, and it was also a big distraction from the issues that do (or did, depending on if you have 8.1 yet) exist.  An unnecessary, self-inflicted wound.
 
2013-09-15 11:35:23 AM  
I think...
I think that once (if) Android matures  just a little more and you see capable office apps showing up on ARM tablets and (dare I say) set top TV boxes like GoogleTV and OUYA then the old models will surely be dead dead dead.  Especially since if you're doing anything other than playing high-end AAA games or media production then you just don't need anything more than a $100 computer... especially since almost anything can be done in a web-browser anyway...r
Of course, I'm a crazy person but in the end I'm often right.

The point I'm making is in a few short years it won't matter what hardware you run, we're pretty close to that already.

/YMMV
 
2013-09-15 12:40:19 PM  

CmndrFish: I'm sure there are many out there that think Windows 8 breaks all backwards compatibility, for example.

It was a colossal marketing failure that has created a lot of avoidable FUD around Windows 8 in general


The problem and fault can be firmly put on Microsoft for that debarkle.  Their program of "Windows Everywhere" meant that what amounts to the MS iPad had to run Windows, had to refer to itself as Windows and generally speaking the only differentiator between the two offerings is the word 'Pro' in peoples minds (at least when talking about the Surface line) which isn't much of a differentiator at all.

People up to an including Microsoft's own market people can't tell the difference between Windows 8 RT and Windows 8 (home, pro, ultimate, etc).  So it's not FUD to say Windows 8 RT can't run legacy Windows applications, it's true it can't.  But people read that as Windows 8 can't run legacy Windows apps... which is a totally different thing.
 
2013-09-15 02:03:03 PM  

LavenderWolf: Kit Fister: LavenderWolf: You and I may disagree on things, but you seem like a good person. I hope for good things in your life.

Unfortunately, my life is crap right now. Oh well. :)

A few weeks ago I lost my job and cut my hand in half.

This week I have a beautiful girlfriend who has two kids that just adore me.

Things can improve, my friend. Faster than you think.


This "girlfriend with two kids"...is it actually a chopped-off section of your hand?
 
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