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2013-09-14 04:14:10 PM

Glitchwerks: phlegmmo: You're a pest; you're a pest.

I don't know if you wrote that or not, but it earns +1 internetz from me.


No, I can't take the credit.

It's by The Capitol Steps.
 
2013-09-14 04:34:55 PM

T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.


I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.
 
2013-09-14 04:40:51 PM

06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.


SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.
 
2013-09-14 04:42:27 PM
Bob Iger didn't make millions of dollars by being a responsible CEO who delivered on customer satisfaction
 
2013-09-14 04:49:02 PM

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


FWIW Tokyo Disneyland (or Tokyo Disney Resort or whatever the heck it's called these days) similarly isn't owned by Disney.  I though it was the only one, but I guess I was wrong.  I've not been there in forever but I remember when it opened, apparently it was some groundbreaking bending of the "Disney way" to allow people to bring food into the park (people bring picnic lunches to all amusement parks, so they realized it would just be bad press to try and forbid it).

skinink: Never understood why you would be in Paris, and choose to spend any time at Euro Disney. Hell, take a nice short train ride out to Versailles. The castle and the grounds are awesome! Or if anything, spend all your time in Paris. BTW, if you go to visit the catacombs, go early before opening time. The line to get in is insanely long two hours after open time.


Because you're from France or nearby countries?  Seriously I don't understand why people would go to Disneyland on any foreign vacation that's aimed at being an educational "foreign vacation," trips to the US included.  Going to a theme park is more of a local thing.

Certainly if I went to France I'd skip Disneyland, I mean, I've been to the one in Tokyo (way back when it first opened and it was just nearby) and as you say, there are plenty more "only in France" things to see, no need to go for the fake Americana.

12349876: Because you live in Europe and you want your kid to see Mickey without getting a transcontinental flight.


I.e. this.

I will say I'm surprised that a park in Europe would close the restaurants at 7:30.  People over there routinely eat quite late, don't they?  Seems that would be one obvious thing to change, similarly to how the Tokyo park let people picnic.
 
2013-09-14 04:49:07 PM
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is working just fine. Oh, wait, that's just the parking lot.
 
2013-09-14 04:55:19 PM

TheDumbBlonde: 06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.

SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.


That was the best me my brother and his wife did that a long time ago.

Years ago Disney wanted to open a park in northern Virginia. That caused a big stink, IIRC the only people that wanted it were the people that owned the land, local politicians and businesses. They were going to have to speed some big bucks on widening and making new roads.
 
2013-09-14 04:57:49 PM

06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.


They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.
 
2013-09-14 05:00:50 PM
whatshisname

Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is working just fine. Oh, wait, that's just the parking lot.

It's over man, just let it go.
 
2013-09-14 05:18:25 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: The moral of the story is, I suppose, that those who sacrifice quality for a short term earning report get there asses handed to them in the end.


Unfortunately, the spoiled-brat shareholders want to see immediate returns Their mental processes sees long term investments as something that silly old people do.

So, to please its impatient little investors, a company does its budget cuts, outsources, lays off, jacks up prices and sacrifices quality. Rinse and repeat until the company is nothing but a shell and sells off its brands, while its executives get their golden parachutes.

They really are like the farmer that killed the goose that laid to golden eggs.
What the hell are they teaching them in business school?
 
2013-09-14 05:26:52 PM
I visited Disneyland Paris last year, as well as WDW in Orlando, and just visited Disneyland/CA in Anaheim. The Paris park isn't as 'nice' as California, but then again, it's WAY ahead of whatever's behind Disney. Having been to Universal (Hollywood and Orlando) Cedar Point, Six Flags, Hershey Park, Kings Dominion, Busch Gardens (Tampa and Williamsburg), there's a definite pecking order when it comes to ride maintenance, employee training and guest experience.

Disney (any location) is at the top of the list.
2nd would be Universal
Tie for 3rd would be Hershey Park and Cedar Point (tie goes to CP for the monster coasters)
BG is next, just ahead of
Kings Dominion/Island.

At the bottom of any list has got to be ANY Six Flags park. Crappy maintenance, disinterested employees, onslaught of advertising, video commercials and upsells from the time you walk into the park, not to mention the airport-level security screening you get going into 'Six Flags over Drive-by Shooting' near DC. We just had our company picnic there, and I thought about not going, even though it was free.

Six Flags is barely one step above a traveling fair - and that's likely a slam against county fairs. The only difference are the meth-fueled carnies - which would make the fair a little more exciting than Six Flags.
 
2013-09-14 05:29:13 PM

Deece: proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?

Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans.  Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".


lulz
 
2013-09-14 05:30:22 PM

Mugato: 06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.

They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.


They closed Pleasure Island!?!?!!?!?!

And I missed the rape!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT
 
2013-09-14 05:44:20 PM

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?



Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits.
 
2013-09-14 05:46:43 PM

Mugato: 06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.

They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.


I have to admit, access to booze makes Disney a lot more fun.  Disneyland per se still doesn't sell alcohol (except for Club 33, but that ain't gonna happen), but when they redeveloped the Anaheim property and built California Adventure, they got a proper liquor license for that side.  Mommy and daddy being able to get a drink is probably the most redeeming feature of that abortion of a park.  Oh, and Downtown Disney is *right* outside the gate, with proper restaurants and bars.

Just spent last weekend there, need to go back already, Pirates of the Caribbean is really fun when you are half crocked.
 
2013-09-14 05:59:32 PM

Turbo Cojones: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Not with that legendary French work ethic and dedication to customer service!!

Yeah, anytime you need a cadre of dedicated workers ready to do-all for close to minimum wage with no benefits, look no further than the USA!  We're No, 1 !!!!!


...but enough about America's senior citizens.
 
2013-09-14 06:00:53 PM

iheartscotch: I was just pointing out that things over there tend to be run on the whole lefty utopia model.


I have never heard and don't expect ever to hear somebody refer to France as a "utopia" in any way, if they're not really really crazy about wine or chansons.

As for Disneylands, am I the only one who, despite growing up on Disney comics and movies, never as a kid had the desire to go to a place where people walk around in a Mickey or Donald suit?
 
2013-09-14 06:02:01 PM
You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.
 
2013-09-14 06:02:47 PM

Archfeld: Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits


I dunno, the Orlando parks are pretty concerned with customer service and updating their parks with new attractions, especially since they're competing with the superior Universal.
 
2013-09-14 06:07:30 PM

optikeye: Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.


Those restaurants are a part of Disney Downtown. Pleasure Island was a separate area with its own admission fee, where all the clubs were.
 
2013-09-14 06:15:55 PM
White people problems.
 
2013-09-14 06:23:09 PM

WordyGrrl: qlenfg: Six Flags Over Texas has been nasty and ghetto for 30 years -- but it is really bad now. Went there a while back on some free tickets the wife got -- it was stinky, dirty, the rides looked like old greasy farm tractors, and there was enough peeling paint to bag up and sell as potato chips. Sad.

I was there ages ago, and yeah, it wasn't nearly as neat and tidy as Fiesta Texas.  At least Fiesta Texas (a former Six Flags park) in San Antonio had some fine roller coasters last time I was there.

/Rode the Rattler on opening weekend, and it was an intense bone-shaker of a ride.
//Love the wooden coasters




Six Flags Corp went bankrupt in 2009 and just emerged last year.

/worked at Six Flags Texas back in the 80's
 
2013-09-14 06:28:22 PM

TheDumbBlonde: 06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.

SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.


Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
The only worthwhile thing to do at Epcot is the around the world pub crawl.
 
2013-09-14 06:35:58 PM

Mugato: optikeye: Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.

Those restaurants are a part of Disney Downtown. Pleasure Island was a separate area with its own admission fee, where all the clubs were.


Oh...yes. Basically they closed the Ticketed clubs and gated entry and left behind the retail and resturants. It "Feel" like just an expansion of Downtown Disney now. I think the Irish Pub, Crab house, Etc...
I'm not what they plan to do with those places
I Miss the Adventurers Club  tho. I know that some of the stuff inside when to "Trader Sam's" at the Disneyland hotel. (things like sinking bar stools and some masks etc).
 
2013-09-14 06:44:33 PM

proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?


To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.
 
2013-09-14 06:46:28 PM

optikeye: Oh...yes. Basically they closed the Ticketed clubs and gated entry and left behind the retail and resturants. It "Feel" like just an expansion of Downtown Disney now. I think the Irish Pub, Crab house, Etc...


I was let into Pleasure Islands for free by a friend who worked there when it was still open. I remember the comedy club and the 70s club. But given my tolerance and limited bank account at the time, it would have been economically prohibitive for me to get drunk. Plus, all the girls there were tourists.
 
2013-09-14 06:46:46 PM

T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.


The park only serves wine. Go to the Disney Grand bar and get tanked up. Then, and only then, are you ready to roll.
 
2013-09-14 06:49:11 PM
Relying on the french to work. That's almost as dumb as expecting the french to fight.
 
2013-09-14 06:51:22 PM
Euro Disney still sucks?

i167.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-14 07:32:33 PM

06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World


They also serve it at restaurants in Downtown Disney.  There is even a cigar shop.
 
2013-09-14 07:54:53 PM

optikeye: You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.


Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.
 
2013-09-14 08:04:45 PM

vegaswench: This has been going on for a while.  See the 2010 article noting the suicides of Disney workers in Paris:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-dark-side-of-disne y land-paris-1964505.html

 "Je ne veux pas retourner chez Mickey" (I don't want to work for Mickey any more).


I would have said that's "I don't want to go back to Mickey's house."  Telling me that I still don't get the ins and outs of French context at all.
 
2013-09-14 08:05:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: optikeye: You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.

Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.


Thank you for fully enlightening us.
 
2013-09-14 08:15:09 PM
'When Disneyland Park closes at 11pm, you would expect to be able to have a nice evening dinner, not to discover the restaurant closed at 7.30pm,' it reads.

Jesus. You want a nice evening dinner at 11 pm?
 
2013-09-14 08:22:43 PM

Publikwerks: 'When Disneyland Park closes at 11pm, you would expect to be able to have a nice evening dinner, not to discover the restaurant closed at 7.30pm,' it reads.

Jesus. You want a nice evening dinner at 11 pm?


French dinnertime doesn't really start until 8.  Paris is more like 9.
 
2013-09-14 08:24:57 PM

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


They maintain intellectual property control and have a management contract, and got a crapload of Arab oil money to keep it afloat.
 
2013-09-14 08:31:12 PM

skinink: Never understood why you would be in Paris, and choose to spend any time at Euro Disney. Hell, take a nice short train ride out to Versailles. The castle and the grounds are awesome! Or if anything, spend all your time in Paris. BTW, if you go to visit the catacombs, go early before opening time. The line to get in is insanely long two hours after open time.


I think their intended market is French or other European children, so they don't have to fly halfway across the world if they want to visit a Disney resort.  An extra demographic to give them money.
 
2013-09-14 08:33:31 PM
France's Disney Land on verge of surrendering!  How French!
 
2013-09-14 09:18:25 PM

Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".


believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'
 
2013-09-14 09:22:07 PM

saturn badger: To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.


i guess i'm a bad example, but we used to visit family in florida every summer and we somehow never felt the pull of any of disney's attractions... isn't it nicer to just sit at a beach, and have a nice meal and movie after, and not watch your parents have a heart attack at the price of a single soda (or beer, or whatever...)
 
2013-09-14 09:27:04 PM

proteus_b: saturn badger: To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.

i guess i'm a bad example, but we used to visit family in florida every summer and we somehow never felt the pull of any of disney's attractions... isn't it nicer to just sit at a beach, and have a nice meal and movie after, and not watch your parents have a heart attack at the price of a single soda (or beer, or whatever...)


I don't get the people who go every year, but it's nice to check it out once or twice, and if you have kids you owe it to them to make the pilgrimage at least once when they're old enough to handle the long days but young enough to still fall for the charm of it.

The best way to do it (Disney World in FL) is to either decide to just do one park for a day, or give yourself a few days so you aren't rushed.  There's a lot to see, and it's no fun if you try to cram it all into a single day.  Some of the bigger parks, like Epcot, you can't even really do in a single day.

Epcot is nice for adults and older teens.  It's not as ride-centric as the other parks are, but there's cool stuff to see, some nice shows, good food, and you can sample Beverly at the Wold of Coke area.
 
2013-09-14 10:27:56 PM

proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'


There's plenty of trashy, low-class people in France.  They're called British tourists.

/just kidding
//but not 100% kidding
 
2013-09-14 11:30:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.


All the parks at Disney World have alcohol. Even the Magic Kingdom now serves alcohol in the New Fantasyland. Be Our Guest Restaurant serves alcohol as does Gaston's Tavern.

Disney does not own the Swan nor the Dolphin. They are on Disney property but are not Disney owned.
 
2013-09-14 11:31:22 PM
Reading this thread while at Disney World. Wish this worked when someone posted about the Playboy Club.
 
2013-09-15 12:16:10 AM
You can tell Disney skimped on the cash outlay when building it - ride the Paris versions of the Florida/CA attractions and you can see that there's not nearly as much detail built into them.  We spent one cold, rainy day there last year; essentially just to check it off the list in case we ever get to Tokyo and can say we visited all the Disney parks.  About 80% of the people in the park walk around smoking like chimneys and EVERYTHING that you would go to Disney Paris for was closed for repairs.  Pirates of the Caribbean, the 20K Leagues Under the Sea knockoff, etc. were all closed with nary a warning given until you walked up to the farking things and found the doors closed and the pool drained.
 
2013-09-15 04:16:08 AM

proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'


It isn't targeted at Paris suburbanites any more than WDW is targeted at Florida suburbanites.
 
2013-09-15 05:37:29 AM
I went to Disneyland Orlando last year and while there are plenty of things to gripe about, it's impossible to deny the effort they put into making the park clean, the staff friendly and the atmosphere welcoming. Even compared to Universal it was on another level. I would hope Disneyland Paris was to the same standard and if its not and these complaints are genuine then someone in Disney HQ needs to kick some asses.
 
2013-09-15 07:55:15 AM

Daniels: proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'

It isn't targeted at Paris suburbanites any more than WDW is targeted at Florida suburbanites.


Pretty much.  There's a TGV station literally minutes away from the park's gates.  That's France, England, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, and Switzerland by train, and the rest of Europe is a 10 minute train ride away from Charles de Gaulle Airport.  They advertise off-season ticket sales in the Paris Métro, but that seems to be about the extent of their targeting the local market.

And it's not like it is in Florida where the place is open year-round, so you can take the kids over a long weekend in February or something.  Winters here in northern France are basically 35-40 degrees and raining five days a week.
 
2013-09-15 08:30:49 AM
Never understood why they put it in France. Germany or the UK would have been far more suited to the Disney experience. Or even Spain, where the weather is much better. Paris is the worst of both worlds, bad weather and bolshy employees. It was doomed to failure.
 
2013-09-15 08:33:49 AM

Archfeld: Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits.


They bend over backwards for us anytime we go to Orlando... their employees are practically a happy-fun-time cult.

On the contrary, Disney spares no expense... and thus, you pay for every expense.. lol.  You can spend a LOT of freaking money there, but if you've got the money to spend, I cant think of any better place to visit, whether you have kids or not.
 
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