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2013-09-14 12:49:47 PM  
Who are you to resist it, huh?! C'mon, my last paycheck bounced! My children need wine!

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2013-09-14 01:06:01 PM  
♫ It's a fail world after all... ♫
 
2013-09-14 01:25:01 PM  
Not with that legendary French work ethic and dedication to customer service!!
 
2013-09-14 02:17:12 PM  
This has been going on for a while.  See the 2010 article noting the suicides of Disney workers in Paris:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-dark-side-of-disne y land-paris-1964505.html

 "Je ne veux pas retourner chez Mickey" (I don't want to work for Mickey any more).
 
2013-09-14 02:24:46 PM  
So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.
 
2013-09-14 02:25:22 PM  
Gee, I've never heard Ms. Hilton's hoo-haa called that before.

/But I must say it isn't surprising.
//Oh... the real Disney theme park... nevermind.
 
2013-09-14 02:27:56 PM  
The park has only been open 13 years and is falling apart? Hell, Disneyland has been open since the 50's, still has a lot of the same rides and isn't falling apart. Maybe they should maintain their shiat?
 
2013-09-14 02:29:21 PM  
While it's only tangentially related, I heartily recommend the Chefs de France restaurant in Epcot's France if you're going to eat at the real Disney World.  It's easily in the running for the best restaurant in the park.
 
2013-09-14 02:30:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: While it's only tangentially related, I heartily recommend the Chefs de France restaurant in Epcot's France if you're going to eat at the real Disney World.  It's easily in the running for the best restaurant in the park.


Yeah, but I heard they have a mouse problem.

Richard Gere gave it five stars, though.
 
2013-09-14 02:31:04 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.


You do realize that their politicians think American democrats are right wing kooks? Their entire system is wayyyyyy left of ours.
 
2013-09-14 02:36:07 PM  
Wow, that's surprising, the Orlando parks are run like a tight ship.

no stage shows

That would actually be a selling point for me.
 
2013-09-14 02:36:55 PM  
Six Flags Over Texas has been nasty and ghetto for 30 years -- but it is really bad now. Went there a while back on some free tickets the wife got -- it was stinky, dirty, the rides looked like old greasy farm tractors, and there was enough peeling paint to bag up and sell as potato chips. Sad.
 
2013-09-14 02:37:05 PM  
It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?
 
2013-09-14 02:37:58 PM  
The phrase 'literally falling apart' was literally used seven times. That was figuratively the worst article I've ever read.
 
2013-09-14 02:43:15 PM  

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


That makes a little more sense. Disney controls not only all of Disney World in Orlando but a several of the surrounding hotels in the area and you can eat off the restroom floor there. You usually have to, as crowded as the restaurants are. They have some fat, fat ass tourists.
 
2013-09-14 02:43:59 PM  
So, 5000 people out of 16m visitors, 0.03% of visitors weren't happy. Yeah, I bet Bob Iger will put that in the shredder carefully read all the comments people have made.
 
2013-09-14 02:44:51 PM  
The entire video consisted of showing one missing piece of soffit. Hardly enough to be considered evidence of the park "literally falling apart". I do believe this is much ado about nothing.
 
2013-09-14 02:47:05 PM  
well, considering ~95% of everything disney related is complete shiat, i'm not surprised.
 
2013-09-14 02:49:21 PM  

skwerl: The entire video consisted of showing one missing piece of soffit. Hardly enough to be considered evidence of the park "literally falling apart". I do believe this is much ado about nothing.


THIS

I expected many examples, instead there is the missing 18 ft of soffit, no doubt the person taking the video removed it in an attempt to make his point.

Where are the conspiracy theorists?  This is a false flag video from the Universal Park folks
 
2013-09-14 02:49:47 PM  
From Day One this park was the unwanted bastard child of the Disney empire. The French hounded and harassed Disney (one of the big papers called it a 'cultural Chernobyl') demanding all sorts of concessions regarding everything from the architecture  to the employee dress code to the fact that Disney does not serve alcohol in the parks (this has since changed, sort of).  The whole thing came in late, way over budget, a giant international cluster-fark.  So what did Disney do?  They sold off a majority stake and spun off the park as its own company.  Note the article points out that that Disney only hold about a 40% share in the place anymore.  A quick look shows the other 60% is held by a Saudi prince and the general public.

So it's an autonomous entity, that may very well be getting run into the ground by a penny-pinching management.  The same thing happened in Califorina at the end of the Eisner years... the parks were turned over to a woman who had mainly worked in retail before.  They cut budgets and cheaped out on a lot of things, including maintenance...  it nearly killed the park and (arguably) actually killed a couple guests.  After that PR shaitstorm, and Eisner's boot to the curb, new management spent million uopn millions fixing the place back up.

The moral of the story is, I suppose, that those who sacrifice quality for a short term earning report get there asses handed to them in the end.
 
2013-09-14 02:50:47 PM  

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


They don't own Tokyo Disneyland and its arguably the best resort of the bunch.

Disneyland in California was pretty neglected under Eisner while he pushed the Destination Disney stuff in Orlando, back in the 90s.
 
2013-09-14 02:51:15 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.


Yes. Everything is related to US politics! Just couldn't resist shoehorning your bullshiat into something completely unrelated could you?
 
2013-09-14 02:52:51 PM  

iheartscotch: Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.

You do realize that their politicians think American democrats are right wing kooks? Their entire system is wayyyyyy left of ours.


But that could be said about any developed country.
 
2013-09-14 03:05:37 PM  
Premières problèmes mondiaux
 
2013-09-14 03:09:08 PM  
You're a pest; you're a pest.
Go away, I need my rest.
You can't buy those souvenirs with your American Express.
Don't ask me for "Bon jours,"
In France, Mickey says "UP YOURS!"
Wait on you?You must be joking.
Go away!I'm busy smoking.
You'll spit out your brioche.
Take a whiff; I never wash.
And I won't clean up that spot where Pluto messed.
Don't take his mess away; we'll serve it as pate.
So you're distressed.
Can't care less.
You're a pest.

Here in France there's no chance
Donald Duck will do his dance.
He'll call you names and sweat on you and spill wine down your pants.
Snow White hangs out in bars where she sucks upon cigars.
Sneezy, Dopey, Doc and Bashful sell your hubcaps off for cash.
While Goofy pulls out his knife, Grumpy pinches someone's wife.
Aladdin rubs - well, not his lamp - but you can guess.
We've got Walt Disney's dough, so we don't need you. GO!
Be our guest.
Be depressed.
Go home stressed.

If you tried any ride
And you did not tip your guide,
You'll be sent to "It's A Small World" and we'll lock you up inside.
You want food?
Tough!You'll wait,
While I spit upon your plate.
'Cause your taste buds are not picky, we will serve you parts of Mickey.
Buy some ears or a hat.
Sacre bleu, well look at that!
Your change fell in the pocket in my vest.
We hope your visit's through, 'cause we don't like you. Ptoo!
Are you stressed?
Can you guess
Why our place is not the best?
We detest
Every guest
From the West.
 
2013-09-14 03:10:46 PM  
I'll be in France next month. Disneyland was not even on the radar of places to go.
 
2013-09-14 03:16:54 PM  

iheartscotch: The park has only been open 13 years and is falling apart? Hell, Disneyland has been open since the 50's, still has a lot of the same rides and isn't falling apart. Maybe they should maintain their shiat?


Math isn't one of your strengths, is it?
 
2013-09-14 03:17:05 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Not with that legendary French work ethic and dedication to customer service!!


Yeah, anytime you need a cadre of dedicated workers ready to do-all for close to minimum wage with no benefits, look no further than the USA!  We're No, 1 !!!!!
 
2013-09-14 03:17:10 PM  
Never understood why you would be in Paris, and choose to spend any time at Euro Disney. Hell, take a nice short train ride out to Versailles. The castle and the grounds are awesome! Or if anything, spend all your time in Paris. BTW, if you go to visit the catacombs, go early before opening time. The line to get in is insanely long two hours after open time.
 
2013-09-14 03:18:23 PM  

iheartscotch: Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.

You do realize that their politicians think American democrats are right wing kooks? Their entire system is wayyyyyy left of ours.


I didn't know Disney Parks were run by the government.
 
2013-09-14 03:21:02 PM  
Ha ha Beiber in the sidebar with a Batman vs Superman script.  That has trainwreck written all over it, hope they give it to him.
 
2013-09-14 03:24:40 PM  

leevis: iheartscotch: The park has only been open 13 years and is falling apart? Hell, Disneyland has been open since the 50's, still has a lot of the same rides and isn't falling apart. Maybe they should maintain their shiat?

Math isn't one of your strengths, is it?


For some reason; I thought that the park was opened in the very late 90's. When I went back and reread the article; they said 20 years. All I can say is; My memory is pretty crappy and I can be wrong. Mea culpa.
 
2013-09-14 03:26:26 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'll be in France next month. Disneyland was not even on the radar of places to go.


We were in Paris recently. On our way to a diffeeent dedtination we drove near the park. The Disney park is small compared to US disney parks, didn't look as neatly maintained as them either. It was no Six Flags, mind you, but it definitely didn't exude the usual Disney atmosphere. Would never waste my limited European travel time there.
 
2013-09-14 03:26:51 PM  

phlegmmo: You're a pest; you're a pest.


I don't know if you wrote that or not, but it earns +1 internetz from me.
 
2013-09-14 03:27:45 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.


It's France numbnuts, their practicing obamanomics.
 
2013-09-14 03:28:01 PM  

CruiserTwelve: iheartscotch: Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.

You do realize that their politicians think American democrats are right wing kooks? Their entire system is wayyyyyy left of ours.

I didn't know Disney Parks were run by the government.


I was just pointing out that things over there tend to be run on the whole lefty utopia model. I felt that saying the park was using republican economic models was disingenuous at best.
 
2013-09-14 03:32:05 PM  
All of the misery of regular Disneyland combined with pissy French people. What's not to love?
 
2013-09-14 03:34:19 PM  
Disneyland, subby, as in one word.  Uno.
You had one job, subby!
 
2013-09-14 03:37:49 PM  

qlenfg: Six Flags Over Texas has been nasty and ghetto for 30 years -- but it is really bad now. Went there a while back on some free tickets the wife got -- it was stinky, dirty, the rides looked like old greasy farm tractors, and there was enough peeling paint to bag up and sell as potato chips. Sad.


I was there ages ago, and yeah, it wasn't nearly as neat and tidy as Fiesta Texas.  At least Fiesta Texas (a former Six Flags park) in San Antonio had some fine roller coasters last time I was there.

/Rode the Rattler on opening weekend, and it was an intense bone-shaker of a ride.
//Love the wooden coasters
 
2013-09-14 03:39:02 PM  
why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?
 
2013-09-14 03:41:04 PM  
I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.
 
2013-09-14 03:41:36 PM  

vegaswench: This has been going on for a while.  See the 2010 article noting the suicides of Disney workers in Paris:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-dark-side-of-disne y land-paris-1964505.html

 "Je ne veux pas retourner chez Mickey" (I don't want to work for Mickey any more).


Seemingly endless years of high school french tells me that translates to "I do not want to return to Mickey's place" (well the house of Mickey).  Work is "travailler" in french.  Is the Independent that bad at french?
 
2013-09-14 03:43:29 PM  

proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?


Agreed.
However, I don't believe they were ever aiming for the "once-in-a-lifetime" tourist dollar.
 
2013-09-14 03:43:54 PM  

proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?


Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans.  Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".
 
2013-09-14 03:51:52 PM  
Went there in 2009. If the Europeans hated it when it opened they sure don't now. It was packed and seemed just like any of the other Disney parks just on a smaller scale.
 
2013-09-14 03:56:51 PM  
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Approves.
 
2013-09-14 03:57:57 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.


Politics, really?
 
2013-09-14 04:04:19 PM  
I was there in 1993ish. Incredibly rude workers. Park closes at 6 PM...they were shuffling people out at 5PM.

"This ride is close-ed"
 
2013-09-14 04:06:39 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So Disneyland Paris is practicing Republican economic models?

Less revenues, cut maintenance and budget!
Which leads to... less revenues.


I'm Princess Ryans Knickers PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I am EVER so desperate for attention!
 
2013-09-14 04:08:38 PM  

proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?


Because you live in Europe and you want your kid to see Mickey without getting a transcontinental flight.
 
2013-09-14 04:14:10 PM  

Glitchwerks: phlegmmo: You're a pest; you're a pest.

I don't know if you wrote that or not, but it earns +1 internetz from me.


No, I can't take the credit.

It's by The Capitol Steps.
 
2013-09-14 04:34:55 PM  

T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.


I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.
 
2013-09-14 04:40:51 PM  

06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.


SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.
 
2013-09-14 04:42:27 PM  
Bob Iger didn't make millions of dollars by being a responsible CEO who delivered on customer satisfaction
 
2013-09-14 04:49:02 PM  

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


FWIW Tokyo Disneyland (or Tokyo Disney Resort or whatever the heck it's called these days) similarly isn't owned by Disney.  I though it was the only one, but I guess I was wrong.  I've not been there in forever but I remember when it opened, apparently it was some groundbreaking bending of the "Disney way" to allow people to bring food into the park (people bring picnic lunches to all amusement parks, so they realized it would just be bad press to try and forbid it).

skinink: Never understood why you would be in Paris, and choose to spend any time at Euro Disney. Hell, take a nice short train ride out to Versailles. The castle and the grounds are awesome! Or if anything, spend all your time in Paris. BTW, if you go to visit the catacombs, go early before opening time. The line to get in is insanely long two hours after open time.


Because you're from France or nearby countries?  Seriously I don't understand why people would go to Disneyland on any foreign vacation that's aimed at being an educational "foreign vacation," trips to the US included.  Going to a theme park is more of a local thing.

Certainly if I went to France I'd skip Disneyland, I mean, I've been to the one in Tokyo (way back when it first opened and it was just nearby) and as you say, there are plenty more "only in France" things to see, no need to go for the fake Americana.

12349876: Because you live in Europe and you want your kid to see Mickey without getting a transcontinental flight.


I.e. this.

I will say I'm surprised that a park in Europe would close the restaurants at 7:30.  People over there routinely eat quite late, don't they?  Seems that would be one obvious thing to change, similarly to how the Tokyo park let people picnic.
 
2013-09-14 04:49:07 PM  
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is working just fine. Oh, wait, that's just the parking lot.
 
2013-09-14 04:55:19 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: 06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.

SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.


That was the best me my brother and his wife did that a long time ago.

Years ago Disney wanted to open a park in northern Virginia. That caused a big stink, IIRC the only people that wanted it were the people that owned the land, local politicians and businesses. They were going to have to speed some big bucks on widening and making new roads.
 
2013-09-14 04:57:49 PM  

06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.


They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.
 
2013-09-14 05:00:50 PM  
whatshisname

Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is working just fine. Oh, wait, that's just the parking lot.

It's over man, just let it go.
 
2013-09-14 05:18:25 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: The moral of the story is, I suppose, that those who sacrifice quality for a short term earning report get there asses handed to them in the end.


Unfortunately, the spoiled-brat shareholders want to see immediate returns Their mental processes sees long term investments as something that silly old people do.

So, to please its impatient little investors, a company does its budget cuts, outsources, lays off, jacks up prices and sacrifices quality. Rinse and repeat until the company is nothing but a shell and sells off its brands, while its executives get their golden parachutes.

They really are like the farmer that killed the goose that laid to golden eggs.
What the hell are they teaching them in business school?
 
2013-09-14 05:26:52 PM  
I visited Disneyland Paris last year, as well as WDW in Orlando, and just visited Disneyland/CA in Anaheim. The Paris park isn't as 'nice' as California, but then again, it's WAY ahead of whatever's behind Disney. Having been to Universal (Hollywood and Orlando) Cedar Point, Six Flags, Hershey Park, Kings Dominion, Busch Gardens (Tampa and Williamsburg), there's a definite pecking order when it comes to ride maintenance, employee training and guest experience.

Disney (any location) is at the top of the list.
2nd would be Universal
Tie for 3rd would be Hershey Park and Cedar Point (tie goes to CP for the monster coasters)
BG is next, just ahead of
Kings Dominion/Island.

At the bottom of any list has got to be ANY Six Flags park. Crappy maintenance, disinterested employees, onslaught of advertising, video commercials and upsells from the time you walk into the park, not to mention the airport-level security screening you get going into 'Six Flags over Drive-by Shooting' near DC. We just had our company picnic there, and I thought about not going, even though it was free.

Six Flags is barely one step above a traveling fair - and that's likely a slam against county fairs. The only difference are the meth-fueled carnies - which would make the fair a little more exciting than Six Flags.
 
2013-09-14 05:29:13 PM  

Deece: proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?

Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans.  Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".


lulz
 
2013-09-14 05:30:22 PM  

Mugato: 06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.

They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.


They closed Pleasure Island!?!?!!?!?!

And I missed the rape!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT
 
2013-09-14 05:44:20 PM  

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?



Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits.
 
2013-09-14 05:46:43 PM  

Mugato: 06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.

They did have Pleasure Island, with clubs that served alcohol but people kept getting raped in the parking lot so they closed it. EPCOT still serves booze but for someone with my tolerance and bank account, getting drunk is prohibitive. And I'm always with my nieces so that's not an issue anyway.


I have to admit, access to booze makes Disney a lot more fun.  Disneyland per se still doesn't sell alcohol (except for Club 33, but that ain't gonna happen), but when they redeveloped the Anaheim property and built California Adventure, they got a proper liquor license for that side.  Mommy and daddy being able to get a drink is probably the most redeeming feature of that abortion of a park.  Oh, and Downtown Disney is *right* outside the gate, with proper restaurants and bars.

Just spent last weekend there, need to go back already, Pirates of the Caribbean is really fun when you are half crocked.
 
2013-09-14 05:59:32 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Not with that legendary French work ethic and dedication to customer service!!

Yeah, anytime you need a cadre of dedicated workers ready to do-all for close to minimum wage with no benefits, look no further than the USA!  We're No, 1 !!!!!


...but enough about America's senior citizens.
 
2013-09-14 06:00:53 PM  

iheartscotch: I was just pointing out that things over there tend to be run on the whole lefty utopia model.


I have never heard and don't expect ever to hear somebody refer to France as a "utopia" in any way, if they're not really really crazy about wine or chansons.

As for Disneylands, am I the only one who, despite growing up on Disney comics and movies, never as a kid had the desire to go to a place where people walk around in a Mickey or Donald suit?
 
2013-09-14 06:02:01 PM  
You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.
 
2013-09-14 06:02:47 PM  

Archfeld: Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits


I dunno, the Orlando parks are pretty concerned with customer service and updating their parks with new attractions, especially since they're competing with the superior Universal.
 
2013-09-14 06:07:30 PM  

optikeye: Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.


Those restaurants are a part of Disney Downtown. Pleasure Island was a separate area with its own admission fee, where all the clubs were.
 
2013-09-14 06:15:55 PM  
White people problems.
 
2013-09-14 06:23:09 PM  

WordyGrrl: qlenfg: Six Flags Over Texas has been nasty and ghetto for 30 years -- but it is really bad now. Went there a while back on some free tickets the wife got -- it was stinky, dirty, the rides looked like old greasy farm tractors, and there was enough peeling paint to bag up and sell as potato chips. Sad.

I was there ages ago, and yeah, it wasn't nearly as neat and tidy as Fiesta Texas.  At least Fiesta Texas (a former Six Flags park) in San Antonio had some fine roller coasters last time I was there.

/Rode the Rattler on opening weekend, and it was an intense bone-shaker of a ride.
//Love the wooden coasters




Six Flags Corp went bankrupt in 2009 and just emerged last year.

/worked at Six Flags Texas back in the 80's
 
2013-09-14 06:28:22 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: 06Wahoo: T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.

I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World, and in some areas of Epcot.  Still, as you keenly note, the American Disney parks have never needed alcohol to succeed.  They work off of being a family attraction and maintaining a high level of quality.  It might not be Versailles, but it is a good place to make memories for a young child and his or her parents.

SOME areas of Epcot? My god, we were "drinking around the world" at Epcot a hundred years ago. It's the only damn thing to do.


Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
The only worthwhile thing to do at Epcot is the around the world pub crawl.
 
2013-09-14 06:35:58 PM  

Mugato: optikeye: Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.

Those restaurants are a part of Disney Downtown. Pleasure Island was a separate area with its own admission fee, where all the clubs were.


Oh...yes. Basically they closed the Ticketed clubs and gated entry and left behind the retail and resturants. It "Feel" like just an expansion of Downtown Disney now. I think the Irish Pub, Crab house, Etc...
I'm not what they plan to do with those places
I Miss the Adventurers Club  tho. I know that some of the stuff inside when to "Trader Sam's" at the Disneyland hotel. (things like sinking bar stools and some masks etc).
 
2013-09-14 06:44:33 PM  

proteus_b: why the hell would you go to visit paris and then decide that, of all things, you want to be in an overpriced amusement park?


To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.
 
2013-09-14 06:46:28 PM  

optikeye: Oh...yes. Basically they closed the Ticketed clubs and gated entry and left behind the retail and resturants. It "Feel" like just an expansion of Downtown Disney now. I think the Irish Pub, Crab house, Etc...


I was let into Pleasure Islands for free by a friend who worked there when it was still open. I remember the comedy club and the 70s club. But given my tolerance and limited bank account at the time, it would have been economically prohibitive for me to get drunk. Plus, all the girls there were tourists.
 
2013-09-14 06:46:46 PM  

T.rex: I remember when it opened, it was bombing, but then they made the simple decision to serve wine within the park (the French love their wind), and it instantly became the #1 tourist destination in Europe.  Ironic, because they don't serve alcohol in the US parks, except for California Adventure.


The park only serves wine. Go to the Disney Grand bar and get tanked up. Then, and only then, are you ready to roll.
 
2013-09-14 06:49:11 PM  
Relying on the french to work. That's almost as dumb as expecting the french to fight.
 
2013-09-14 06:51:22 PM  
Euro Disney still sucks?

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2013-09-14 07:32:33 PM  

06Wahoo: I think they also serve alcohol at some of the night clubs on their Boardwalk at Walt Disney World


They also serve it at restaurants in Downtown Disney.  There is even a cigar shop.
 
2013-09-14 07:54:53 PM  

optikeye: You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.


Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.
 
2013-09-14 08:04:45 PM  

vegaswench: This has been going on for a while.  See the 2010 article noting the suicides of Disney workers in Paris:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-dark-side-of-disne y land-paris-1964505.html

 "Je ne veux pas retourner chez Mickey" (I don't want to work for Mickey any more).


I would have said that's "I don't want to go back to Mickey's house."  Telling me that I still don't get the ins and outs of French context at all.
 
2013-09-14 08:05:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: optikeye: You can have wine and beer in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyworld as part of a meal at "Be our Guest" resturant. This is a new policy change and has been very popular.
Pleasure Island isn't closed but incorporated into an retail expansion of Downtown Disney. They still have clubs: House of Blues and Bongo's. And Planet Hollywood.
All the other Disney Parks in Disney World (EPCOT, Studios, Animal Kingdom) serve booze almost everywhere.

And you can bring your own picnic lunch to the Magic Kingdom, but they really don't have picnic areas and storage for a cooler is limited and expensive and restricted by size. A lot of people go to the Polynesian's beach area where they do have picnic table (Although this might change)..but a small cooler with sandwiches can be brought in the MagicKingdom No booze or glass bottles. No picnic on the grassy area tho.

Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.


Thank you for fully enlightening us.
 
2013-09-14 08:15:09 PM  
'When Disneyland Park closes at 11pm, you would expect to be able to have a nice evening dinner, not to discover the restaurant closed at 7.30pm,' it reads.

Jesus. You want a nice evening dinner at 11 pm?
 
2013-09-14 08:22:43 PM  

Publikwerks: 'When Disneyland Park closes at 11pm, you would expect to be able to have a nice evening dinner, not to discover the restaurant closed at 7.30pm,' it reads.

Jesus. You want a nice evening dinner at 11 pm?


French dinnertime doesn't really start until 8.  Paris is more like 9.
 
2013-09-14 08:24:57 PM  

Dinki: It has been addressed to Bob Iger, chief executive of the California-based Walt Disney Company, which owns 39.8 per cent of the French resort.
 That could be the problem right there- Why would Disney allow their name to be put on a park that they don't have full control over?


They maintain intellectual property control and have a management contract, and got a crapload of Arab oil money to keep it afloat.
 
2013-09-14 08:31:12 PM  

skinink: Never understood why you would be in Paris, and choose to spend any time at Euro Disney. Hell, take a nice short train ride out to Versailles. The castle and the grounds are awesome! Or if anything, spend all your time in Paris. BTW, if you go to visit the catacombs, go early before opening time. The line to get in is insanely long two hours after open time.


I think their intended market is French or other European children, so they don't have to fly halfway across the world if they want to visit a Disney resort.  An extra demographic to give them money.
 
2013-09-14 08:33:31 PM  
France's Disney Land on verge of surrendering!  How French!
 
2013-09-14 09:18:25 PM  

Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".


believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'
 
2013-09-14 09:22:07 PM  

saturn badger: To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.


i guess i'm a bad example, but we used to visit family in florida every summer and we somehow never felt the pull of any of disney's attractions... isn't it nicer to just sit at a beach, and have a nice meal and movie after, and not watch your parents have a heart attack at the price of a single soda (or beer, or whatever...)
 
2013-09-14 09:27:04 PM  

proteus_b: saturn badger: To be fair I can see how those who live just across the channel and have been to Paris many times might want to go. They have seen everything else. I agree if it was the first few times but you can only enjoy that tower so many times and a chunnel train ride away would make it inviting.

i guess i'm a bad example, but we used to visit family in florida every summer and we somehow never felt the pull of any of disney's attractions... isn't it nicer to just sit at a beach, and have a nice meal and movie after, and not watch your parents have a heart attack at the price of a single soda (or beer, or whatever...)


I don't get the people who go every year, but it's nice to check it out once or twice, and if you have kids you owe it to them to make the pilgrimage at least once when they're old enough to handle the long days but young enough to still fall for the charm of it.

The best way to do it (Disney World in FL) is to either decide to just do one park for a day, or give yourself a few days so you aren't rushed.  There's a lot to see, and it's no fun if you try to cram it all into a single day.  Some of the bigger parks, like Epcot, you can't even really do in a single day.

Epcot is nice for adults and older teens.  It's not as ride-centric as the other parks are, but there's cool stuff to see, some nice shows, good food, and you can sample Beverly at the Wold of Coke area.
 
2013-09-14 10:27:56 PM  

proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'


There's plenty of trashy, low-class people in France.  They're called British tourists.

/just kidding
//but not 100% kidding
 
2013-09-14 11:30:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Most of the sit down places in Epcot (if not all of them, I haven't been inside them all) serve beer and wine, plus the Disney owned hotels like the Boardwalk, Yacht Club, Contemporary, Swan & Dolphin, etc, all have full bars.


All the parks at Disney World have alcohol. Even the Magic Kingdom now serves alcohol in the New Fantasyland. Be Our Guest Restaurant serves alcohol as does Gaston's Tavern.

Disney does not own the Swan nor the Dolphin. They are on Disney property but are not Disney owned.
 
2013-09-14 11:31:22 PM  
Reading this thread while at Disney World. Wish this worked when someone posted about the Playboy Club.
 
2013-09-15 12:16:10 AM  
You can tell Disney skimped on the cash outlay when building it - ride the Paris versions of the Florida/CA attractions and you can see that there's not nearly as much detail built into them.  We spent one cold, rainy day there last year; essentially just to check it off the list in case we ever get to Tokyo and can say we visited all the Disney parks.  About 80% of the people in the park walk around smoking like chimneys and EVERYTHING that you would go to Disney Paris for was closed for repairs.  Pirates of the Caribbean, the 20K Leagues Under the Sea knockoff, etc. were all closed with nary a warning given until you walked up to the farking things and found the doors closed and the pool drained.
 
2013-09-15 04:16:08 AM  

proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'


It isn't targeted at Paris suburbanites any more than WDW is targeted at Florida suburbanites.
 
2013-09-15 05:37:29 AM  
I went to Disneyland Orlando last year and while there are plenty of things to gripe about, it's impossible to deny the effort they put into making the park clean, the staff friendly and the atmosphere welcoming. Even compared to Universal it was on another level. I would hope Disneyland Paris was to the same standard and if its not and these complaints are genuine then someone in Disney HQ needs to kick some asses.
 
2013-09-15 07:55:15 AM  

Daniels: proteus_b: Deece: Believe it or not, Disneyland Paris was not built for the exclusive use of touring Americans. Amazingly, there are in fact people who live in places that are not the US, and some of those people even live in a country called "France", which is apparently not all that far away from "Paris".

believe it or not, not all people in the world who visit paris are from either france or america. obviously i've been to france and i'm aware that there are french people lacking in class, dignity and intelligence, and that therefore a "paris disneyworld" is bound to be a huge success there. i nonetheless question the need for a paris disneyworld--even a paris suburbanite can probably take their state-subsidized crotch-fruits to the alps, or at least the riviera, for cheaper than a few orders of mayonaisse slathered fried potatoes at paris disne'

It isn't targeted at Paris suburbanites any more than WDW is targeted at Florida suburbanites.


Pretty much.  There's a TGV station literally minutes away from the park's gates.  That's France, England, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, and Switzerland by train, and the rest of Europe is a 10 minute train ride away from Charles de Gaulle Airport.  They advertise off-season ticket sales in the Paris Métro, but that seems to be about the extent of their targeting the local market.

And it's not like it is in Florida where the place is open year-round, so you can take the kids over a long weekend in February or something.  Winters here in northern France are basically 35-40 degrees and raining five days a week.
 
2013-09-15 08:30:49 AM  
Never understood why they put it in France. Germany or the UK would have been far more suited to the Disney experience. Or even Spain, where the weather is much better. Paris is the worst of both worlds, bad weather and bolshy employees. It was doomed to failure.
 
2013-09-15 08:33:49 AM  

Archfeld: Disney has only ONE concern, PROFIT$. At one point in time Disney was very concerned with customer satisfaction, that time has long since passed. Disney is now concerned with PROFIT and their ability to make it...everything else takes a distant back seat, excluding of course the potential liability which affects profits.


They bend over backwards for us anytime we go to Orlando... their employees are practically a happy-fun-time cult.

On the contrary, Disney spares no expense... and thus, you pay for every expense.. lol.  You can spend a LOT of freaking money there, but if you've got the money to spend, I cant think of any better place to visit, whether you have kids or not.
 
2013-09-15 08:39:35 AM  
Try Parc Asterix if you want the authentic French theme park experience.
 
2013-09-15 08:58:35 AM  

happhazzard: Never understood why they put it in France. Germany or the UK would have been far more suited to the Disney experience. Or even Spain, where the weather is much better. Paris is the worst of both worlds, bad weather and bolshy employees. It was doomed to failure.


And I'm sure Walt is still spinning in his cryo-freezer over that turd Eisner putting his name anywhere near those dirty, surrender monkey French.
 
2013-09-15 11:43:40 AM  
Uncle Carl Hiaasen approves
Wait, what?
 
2013-09-15 01:35:42 PM  
Such a Mickey Mouse place
 
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