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(Guardian)   Indonesia threatens to deport Harrison Ford for "harassing state institutions," trying to collect all the Sankara stones   (theguardian.com ) divider line
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2013-09-14 02:38:23 PM  
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"I can understand that this is the first time for this American to come here and see Tesso Nilo. It seems that what he wants to see is any perpetrators involved in the damage immediately arrested."

That is usually how that works. Somebody illegally logging in a national forest should elicit some response. But I suppose that would interfere with the bribery and whatnot.
2013-09-14 12:49:49 PM  
2 votes:

enry: It belongs in a museum!


i.imgur.com

You gotta do the cooking by the book.

You know you can't be lazy.
2013-09-15 03:06:15 AM  
1 vote:

Ficoce: Oh, for criss sakes, if those guys are cutting down too many trees - plant some someplace else. Not like we don't share the same atmosphere. The BLM manages over 200 million acres of scrub land that isn't doing much anyway. If anyone has a problem with logging and doesn't plant trees, well, they are part of the problem.



Note that different kinds of trees in different areas may not be interchangeable. Not to mention the associated biotic communities, habitat, local ecosystem services and larger processes.

You may not be seeing the forest for the trees in as literal of a way as one is likely to get.
2013-09-14 09:04:34 PM  
1 vote:
If your butt is so hurting Minister, might I suggest palm oil with a splash of freshly squeezed baby orangutan extract?
2013-09-14 06:40:08 PM  
1 vote:
Do you believe a tree farm is the same as a forest?

I'm really interested in your ways to solve the world's problems. Plant a tree!
2013-09-14 06:35:02 PM  
1 vote:

Ficoce: Oh, for criss sakes, if those guys are cutting down too many trees - plant some someplace else. Not like we don't share the same atmosphere. The BLM manages over 200 million acres of scrub land that isn't doing much anyway. If anyone has a problem with logging and doesn't plant trees, well, they are part of the problem.


Here we see how a simple man solves difficult issues. Hey! Plant a tree or shut up! Durrr! I smart man!
2013-09-14 03:19:18 PM  
1 vote:
What in farking blazes happened to my formatting?! That's a nightmare to read.
2013-09-14 03:17:19 PM  
1 vote:
Here's a simple exercise.
Pretend there's a small forest with a river flowing thru it right next to a small city
It's used and loved by a large percentage of the population.
It produces untold benefits. It holds down the topsoil, prevents erosion, critters have a place to live. The city population is more active and healthier than the national average, the forest is a factor in intangibles such as the mental wellbeing of the population. How is a hike in the forest gonna do anything but cheer you up?
Now pretend that any individual in the population can start a company and apply for a logging permit from the state to chop down half the trees and that individual will make a SHIAT-TON OF MONEY.
Let's say it's owned by the state, not the city, and it's not a protected national park. Whatever. This is hypothetical.
All that individual has to do is be a really determined, rule massaging, pain-in-the-ass lobbyist to get the logging permit. And be smart enough to organize the manpower and machinery to get the job done. Erm, and to possess a thick brass neck not to care about the ensuing protests.
They make themselves a shiat-ton of money. How many people would be willing to be that guy?
"Timbeeerrrrrrr....."
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Lots. I know skeezy mega-rich white collar guys that will do anything for money. That's how they got mega-rich. Complete sociopaths.
And hey, sociopaths running big companies?! Pretty accepted theory nowadays.
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That's what Harrison Ford is up against on a larger scale. Politicians and timber company owners are willing to team up and chop down swathes of Tesso Nilo national park. Betcha they'd chop down the whole damn thing if they could, as long as they keep making SHIAT-TONS OF MONEY. "And get the hell out of my country for even asking me questions about it!"
And I have to say, Asians are particularly ruthless when it comes to raping the natural habitat wherever they can.
2013-09-14 02:49:46 PM  
1 vote:
Minister:  So, what sorts of questions will you be asking.

Ford:  Lets just do it in front of the camera.  I like to shoot first.
2013-09-14 02:38:05 PM  
1 vote:
Is subby trying to start an Austria / Australia thing between India / Indonesia?
2013-09-14 02:35:30 PM  
1 vote:
They really are clearling a lot (so is Malaysia) just to plant monoculture palm oil plantations.  Supposedly it is meant to entrich the poor locals but the facts seem to be that it enriches a handful by HEAPS (and they tend not to be locals.)  The law enforcement in these places are underfunded and hence suppliment their incomes through bribary, so regulations are easy to get around (as is throwing out any local subsistance farmers who get in the way.

And oh poo poo on the Minister - someone asked me difficult questions *cry* imagine if Ford had asked him how such destruction continues to occur under his watch or how close are his relationships with the plantation holders or even something as simple as "I see your annual income is only $A and yet I your total weath seems to be $A x 1000, could you explain the orgins of your family fortune?"
2013-09-14 12:52:43 PM  
1 vote:

Somacandra: Walker: Yeah, that's what interviews are moran. Most people interviewed are not given the questions beforehand

Its highly unlikely that most State leaders worldwide would consent to interviews without advance questions. I'm surprised.

Also, is that a f*cking earring you're wearing, Dr. Jones?


He's not a state leader, he's a f*cking Forestry minister.
2013-09-14 12:47:22 PM  
1 vote:
It belongs in a museum!
2013-09-14 12:45:34 PM  
1 vote:
The forestry minister, Zulkifi Hasan, said he was left shocked by Ford's emotionally charged interview techniques and complained there was no time to go over the questions before filming began, local media reported

"I suddenly had my face made up and was then interviewed," Hasan told the state news agency Antara.


Yeah, that's what interviews are moran. Most people interviewed are not given the questions beforehand.
2013-09-14 12:37:01 PM  
1 vote:

resources2.news.com.au

"It's crystal-clear that Solo shot first, Harrison."

 
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