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2013-09-14 03:25:32 PM

nucrash: Yes, because they are defensive missile systems.  We shouldn't allow any country to own defensive missile systems.  Not like most of the Eastern block countries that currently are customers of the U.S. list of military industrial complex of corporations, should Iran or any other nation own defensive missiles that could knock out planes that might be flying overhead.


The theory goes:
If Iran's air defense network gets too good, it will make it so Israel can no longer strike them safely, which would make Iran more likely to directly attack Israel or provide more toys for their proxy groups to attack Israel.
 
2013-09-14 03:38:12 PM
He should know that the United States is the only country allowed to sell weapons to others.
 
2013-09-14 03:52:31 PM

jjorsett: vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?

The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


Aircraft are worth more than pilots. Large sums of money, like a jet, can save more than one life.

I expect people to shiat all over me for saying this.
 
2013-09-14 03:57:50 PM

vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


Remember when the National Inquirer exposed John Edwards? Oh the irony, it only took a year and a half for the "real news organizations" to even look at it.
 
2013-09-14 03:59:01 PM
So if Iran is going to buy weapons what alternative does Iran have?  They can't buy them from the US.  Meanwhile these same members of Congress had no problems with the US selling weapons to Georgia or basing a missile defense system in Eastern Europe.  This is just the way the world operates.
 
2013-09-14 04:01:12 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Well, that'll give the US something to Grumble about.


+1

Would laugh again
 
2013-09-14 04:07:09 PM

Brick-House: Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.


BOB?
 
2013-09-14 04:12:08 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Brick-House: Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.

BOB?


That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.
 
2013-09-14 04:16:17 PM

super_grass: He's the online equivalent of a picky eating toddler.

BUT I WANT MY CHICKEN NUGGETS FROM MCDONALDS!!!!!!


This from a guy who once said "It's a black people dish, black people aren't necessarily southern." I believe that was the last time you commented on chicken.
 
2013-09-14 04:17:20 PM

MustangFive: That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.


I get that he's either an idiot or working to convince everyone that he is. I was just wondering what the fark the last 'B' was supposed to be. Personally, I prefer his given name: Balrog HUSSEIN Fartbongo.
 
2013-09-14 04:19:01 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


Iranian air defense would probably not pose too much of an obstacle for Israeli air assets. Iran can't win such a war. They can win the diplomatic phase, but the war? Probably not.
 
2013-09-14 04:22:27 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: MustangFive: That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.

I get that he's either an idiot or working to convince everyone that he is. I was just wondering what the fark the last 'B' was supposed to be. Personally, I prefer his given name: Balrog HUSSEIN Fartbongo.


Well, if you study it out, the "H" in Barack H. Obama is an abbreviation for Hitler. Turns out that this
hulshofschmidt.files.wordpress.com
Is an actual portrait.
 
2013-09-14 04:23:22 PM

super_grass: jjorsett: veale728: *clicks About Us*

The  Washington Free Beacon, a project of the 501(c)4 Center for American Freedom, is a nonprofit online newspaper that began publication on February 7, 2012. Dedicated to uncovering the stories that the professional left hopes will never see the light of day, the Free Beacon produces in-depth and investigative reporting on a wide range of issues, including public policy, government affairs, international security, and media criticism. Whether it's exposing cronyism, dissecting the relationship between the progressive movement and the mainstream media, finding out just who is shaping our domestic and foreign policy and why, or highlighting the threats to American security and peace in a dangerous world, the  Free Beaconis committed to serving the public interest by reporting news and information that currently is not being fully covered by other news organizations.

Go away, subs.

Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

He's the online equivalent of a picky eating toddler.

BUT I WANT MY CHICKEN NUGGETS FROM MCDONALDS!!!!!!


I'll be sure to reference you on this the next time a conservative complains about Daily KOS.
 
2013-09-14 04:27:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Really, Free Bacon?  Really?


I was disappointed at the lack of bacon, free or otherwise.
 
2013-09-14 04:51:10 PM

jjorsett: vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.

What's your evidence that this is an unreliable source, that they espouse a political ideology you disapprove of? Did you bother to click on the link that goes to a house.gov page containing a letter sent by some Congressmen to John Kerry? I'm guessing not.

Here's the start of it:
September 12, 2013

The Honorable John Kerry
U.S. Secretary of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington DC, 20520

Dear Secretary Kerry,

We are writing to express our deep concern over reports that Russia may be renewing
their agreement to supply Iran with five S-300 air defense systems. This potential arms
transfer would have devastating implications for Middle East regional security.


I get it, The Beacon is your rag of a paper. Your defense of it makes more sense.
 
2013-09-14 04:51:39 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


So when do we start bombing Israel?
 
2013-09-14 04:51:43 PM

jjorsett: The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


Wait.

So you're thinking missiles based in Iran that have a limited range will stop Obama from attacking Syria?
 
2013-09-14 04:59:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: nucrash: Yes, because they are defensive missile systems.  We shouldn't allow any country to own defensive missile systems.  Not like most of the Eastern block countries that currently are customers of the U.S. list of military industrial complex of corporations, should Iran or any other nation own defensive missiles that could knock out planes that might be flying overhead.

The theory goes:
If Iran's air defense network gets too good, it will make it so Israel can no longer strike them safely, which would make Iran more likely to directly attack Israel or provide more toys for their proxy groups to attack Israel.


How dare a sovereign nation make it slightly more difficult for Israel to bomb them.  It's like that girl who dressed kinda slutty, but then she had mace so you couldn't rape her so easily - entirely her fault.
 
2013-09-14 05:00:11 PM
Iran and Russia have been fiddle-farking around on the S-300 sale since 2007. Two 'concerned' congressmen writing a letter at this stage of the game is nothing to get excited about. This story may have come up because the author is a pro-Israeli extremist.
 
2013-09-14 05:05:08 PM

El Pachuco: How dare a sovereign nation make it slightly more difficult for Israel to bomb them. It's like that girl who dressed kinda slutty, but then she had mace so you couldn't rape her so easily - entirely her fault.


Yep.  While I agree with you, keep in mind that Iran is pretty openly arming tons of terrorist groups that have no problem with attacking civilian targets in Israel.
 
2013-09-14 05:30:44 PM

jjorsett: vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?

The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-09-14 05:31:47 PM
vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


but that's unpossible because they're all leftists!
 
2013-09-14 05:33:53 PM
While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.
 
2013-09-14 05:48:39 PM

clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.


Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.
 
2013-09-14 05:53:09 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


When your neighbors have a nasty habit of conducting surprise invasions of your country, and you are handed absolute proof they are going to do it again in a matter of days, you'd jump on their ass first if you could.
 
2013-09-14 06:02:04 PM

Tremolo: clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.

Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.


OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.
 
2013-09-14 06:04:24 PM
I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.
 
2013-09-14 06:06:08 PM

Nasty Celt: I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.


Nice troll.
 
2013-09-14 06:10:01 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Right.  Which is why all those planes we lost in Vietnam just crashed themselves.  Because the Russians are just SO stupid.  Why, their weapons are more likely to kill their users.

Our magic Jesus blessed weapons make us invincible, which is why no US soldier has died in combat in decades.
 
2013-09-14 06:13:14 PM

vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


RT is denying it, so that lends the story some credibility.  If RT reported that the earth revolved around the sun, I would question it.

Another more reliable source.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2013/0911/Is-Russia-toying-with-US-Mi ss ile-sale-to-Iran-raises-question
 
2013-09-14 06:15:28 PM

Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

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Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.



You do know that posting comics from Stilton Jarlsberg, a known racist and general asshole does not win you any hearts and minds here right?

You neither strengthen your argument or convince anyone.

Hope and Change is a sick and sad little place full of people who hate crackers eaters, thinly veiled racism
and just a general hate.
but you know what... keep on keeping on. Every time you post really dumb stuff like this Im sure you get on a few more ignore lists... with just a little more effort and steadfast whaargarble and herp you can be on everyones ignore list in no time.
Heres a little gem from Hope and Change for people who havent has the misfortune to see it.

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2013-09-14 06:22:27 PM

jjorsett: LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.

Remember when Mitt Romney brought up that Russia was America's biggest geopolitical foe during the campaign and Obama attacked him, saying 1980 called and wanted its foreign policy back and the cold war has been over for 20 years? That's how much of a hero Putin is to conservatives, and what an idiot Obama was and is in foreign policy.


Romney tried to warn us but we didn't listen?

OMG, that's like the funniest thing I've read on Fark all day so far.

Gud jerb!

And yeah if Putin were an American and a Republican he would be their nom for POTUS in 2016.
 
2013-09-14 06:22:51 PM

vpb: Or we could use cruise missiles or destroy the S-300s with HARMs.  Or both.


Or just float on in there with stealth aircraft and bomb what we want anyway.
 
2013-09-14 06:32:32 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art." Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Don't discount Russia so much.  Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.

I only recently found out that Stoli was made in Latvia and not Russia, but that's still a product of the former Soviet Union and you can shove your Grey Goose and your Belvedere and your Absolut up your ass (I hear that makes you drunk faster anyway).

Nobody under the age of 50 wears wristwatches anyway and the only people who do, do it because wearing a $6000 Rolex is a status symbol.

Laugh at Russia all you like (there is plenty to laugh at, just like there's plenty to laugh at in the US), but they're still a major player and I don't see Iran making their own missiles.

Russian fashion?  I don't even give a flying fark about American fashion, but I do think those fur hats they make in Russia are pretty cool and I bet they use real fur which should piss off the PETA crowd, so that's a bonus.
 
2013-09-14 06:36:21 PM

Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x309]

Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.


That cartoon series is less funny than Family Circus. Anybody that has a hand in its continued creation and distribution should be put down.
 
2013-09-14 06:51:45 PM

tin_man: Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x309]

Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.

That cartoon series is less funny than Family Circus. Anybody that has a hand in its continued creation and distribution should be put down.


It's funny simply knowing that it pisses you off.
But you're right about Family Circus- christian, family values makes poor fodder for humor.
 
2013-09-14 06:53:42 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."


Russia makes some dang fine optics.  I wouldn't think twice about buying a telescope with Russian ground mirrors and lenses.  All the other components of the telescope I'd want made elsewhere in the world but the optics can be Russian made.
 
2013-09-14 06:54:39 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.


You're both right and wrong.

You are RIGHT about their space program.  Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


You are WRONG about their weapons.  Iraq I & II proved you wrong.


Obama made us reliant on it?

So... You really DON'T know what you're talking about, do you?
 
2013-09-14 06:58:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: You are RIGHT about their space program. Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


I think Bushy boy was hoping some invisible hands would replace NASA's space program.
 
2013-09-14 06:58:40 PM
 
2013-09-14 06:59:46 PM

Neighborhood Watch: dinch: Obama made us reliant on it?  So... You really DON'T know what you're talking about, do you?


So... the U.S. hasn't been relying on Russia to lift payloads into space for the last 5 years?

Please enlighten me.


Yes, we've been using Russia to loft astronauts and payload to the iss ever since the shuttle was decommissioned. Are you saying Obama decommissioned the shuttle?
 
2013-09-14 07:02:15 PM
What I find hilarious is all the righties that we're clamoring to defund NASA are suddenly upset about NASA having the Constellation funds dry up. Hilarious
 
2013-09-14 07:06:15 PM
freak 7  Nasty Celt  I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.

Nice troll.

I take it you hate those damned inconvenient truths. You sound like a politician and yes that's an insult.
 
2013-09-14 07:16:01 PM

clowncar on fire: It's funny simply knowing that it pisses you off.


The thing is, it's so obviously racist and poorly executed that it doesn't even piss me off. It's like being angry at a kid with downs syndrome because he can't do calculus, you know he's simply not capable so there's no point in getting angry when can't. You can't expect any better from ignorant racists so really it's more pity than anything else.
 
2013-09-14 07:17:10 PM

PsiChick: Even if this is true, uh...has anyone else forgotten that Putin  isn't a hero? He's just the villain you can honestly respect.

/Seriously. People. Can we try and have an attention span greater than that of a duck?


AFLAC!
 
2013-09-14 07:18:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.


You're both right and wrong.

You are RIGHT about their space program.  Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


You are WRONG about their weapons.  Iraq I & II proved you wrong.


Russia usually just sells cheaper less advanced weapons to other countries.  Sure, they may not have anything that can go up against an M1-Abrams tank or our best fighter jets (whatever that is these days), but a war between the US and Russia would be pretty ugly even if neither nation pulled out their nukes.

Iraq's weapons never stood a chance against the US.  We have a bigger military and spend way more money than any other country in the world.  Were they even top of the line Russian issue when we went to war in '91?  I doubt it, but I'm sure they weren't when we invaded them in '03.

And did we even "win" the 2nd round with Iraq?  Sure, we got Saddam Hussein, but there's still a war going on in Iraq.  It's not as bad as Syria, but it's still pretty ugly.  Just yesterday there were 50 people killed. We're not even halfway through September and over 450 civilians have been killed this month according to one site on the internet.

Can you imagine the shiatstorm that would ensue if a proportionate number (based on population) were killed in the US?  Iraq has about 1/10th the population of the US.  What if 500 people were killed in the US in one day mostly by IEDs?

We didn't win despite our overwhelming firepower.
 
2013-09-14 07:23:14 PM

clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.


The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.
 
2013-09-14 07:34:26 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: We didn't win despite our overwhelming firepower.


Yes.  You are right.

Do you know why?


Well, it's kind of complicated and can't easily be summed up in a Fark post.  Or can it?  Is there a limit to the number of characters?

At any rate, I suppose you could say we won the war, but lost the peace.  There's only so much that technology can do.

You seem to be diverting the discussion.  Who besides the US makes the best weapons?   Is it China?  France?  The UK?

Oh well.  At least we should be able to agree that Russia makes the best Krokodil
 
2013-09-14 07:36:14 PM

Target Builder: clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.

The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.


Transistor radios, rock 'n' roll, fast food and blue jeans. If there was a profit in space we'd have gone there, but instead we had a token government space program. Not because space was too difficult for private enterprise, but because space is hard to make a profit from.
 
2013-09-14 07:43:00 PM

clambam: Tremolo: clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.

Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.

OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Give me a break, your line of reasoning was farking stupid. Don't blame me for it. Russia didn't become a superpower by having shiat weaponry.
 
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