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(Washington Free Beacon)   Vladimir Putin, clearly out of farks to give, sells S-300 missiles to Iran   (freebeacon.com) divider line 133
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2013-09-14 12:16:58 PM
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2013-09-14 12:25:22 PM
Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?
 
2013-09-14 12:36:31 PM
He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-14 12:37:42 PM

AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?


The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?
 
2013-09-14 12:38:03 PM

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?
 
2013-09-14 12:38:37 PM
Iranian President Hassan Rowhani was scheduled to meet with New York Times contributor Vladimir Putin on Friday

Really, Free Bacon?  Really?  That's what Putin is mainly known as / his main occupation, a NYT contributor?
 
2013-09-14 12:39:32 PM

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


Now go away before I taunt you a second time!
 
2013-09-14 12:45:41 PM

LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.


Remember when Mitt Romney brought up that Russia was America's biggest geopolitical foe during the campaign and Obama attacked him, saying 1980 called and wanted its foreign policy back and the cold war has been over for 20 years? That's how much of a hero Putin is to conservatives, and what an idiot Obama was and is in foreign policy.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-14 12:47:24 PM

jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.
 
2013-09-14 12:50:02 PM
Even if this is true, uh...has anyone else forgotten that Putin  isn't a hero? He's just the villain you can honestly respect.

/Seriously. People. Can we try and have an attention span greater than that of a duck?
 
2013-09-14 12:50:50 PM

vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?


The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.
 
2013-09-14 12:51:22 PM
Well, that'll give the US something to Grumble about.
 
2013-09-14 12:51:32 PM

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


They freely admit they cover stories the "mainstream media" won't report on, or the "professional left" don't want reported on. So yeah I guess it is my habit to ignore "facts" like those that come from yet another "hurrr librul media" site.
 
2013-09-14 01:01:07 PM

jjorsett: LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.

Remember when Mitt Romney brought up that Russia was America's biggest geopolitical foe during the campaign and Obama attacked him, saying 1980 called and wanted its foreign policy back and the cold war has been over for 20 years? That's how much of a hero Putin is to conservatives, and what an idiot Obama was and is in foreign policy.


He's such an idiot he got what he wanted while Putin backed down?

Tell us more.
 
2013-09-14 01:02:22 PM

vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


What's your evidence that this is an unreliable source, that they espouse a political ideology you disapprove of? Did you bother to click on the link that goes to a house.gov page containing a letter sent by some Congressmen to John Kerry? I'm guessing not.

Here's the start of it:
September 12, 2013

The Honorable John Kerry
U.S. Secretary of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington DC, 20520

Dear Secretary Kerry,

We are writing to express our deep concern over reports that Russia may be renewing
their agreement to supply Iran with five S-300 air defense systems. This potential arms
transfer would have devastating implications for Middle East regional security.
 
2013-09-14 01:02:42 PM
Yes, because they are defensive missile systems.  We shouldn't allow any country to own defensive missile systems.  Not like most of the Eastern block countries that currently are customers of the U.S. list of military industrial complex of corporations, should Iran or any other nation own defensive missiles that could knock out planes that might be flying overhead.
 
2013-09-14 01:05:15 PM

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Go away, subs.

Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

They freely admit they cover stories the "mainstream media" won't report on, or the "professional left" don't want reported on. So yeah I guess it is my habit to ignore "facts" like those that come from yet another "hurrr librul media" site.


Well how's the Jerusalem Post and International Business Times? They're both reporting the same thing.

IBT:
Vladimir Putin is to hold talks with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rohani over Russia's supply of advanced S-300 missile defence systems to Tehran.

A Kremlin source, cited in Kommersant Daily, claims the Russian leader will propose the renewal of an $800m (£508m) supply agreement between the two countries, when he meets Rohani on the sidelines of an economic summit in Kyrgyzstan.

 Jerusalem Post:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has approved the transfer of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran, according to the prestigious Russian daily newspaper  Kommersant.

The newspaper reported on Wednesday that the Russian government will revive the transfer three years after it canceled the original transaction.
 
2013-09-14 01:07:48 PM
 
2013-09-14 01:11:45 PM
John Kerry may not be the best person to deal with issues that require intelligence, diplomacy or common sense.

Lets have Europe or ME countries deal with these issues for a couple of years.     America is in no position to do anything.
 
2013-09-14 01:12:56 PM
Russia is so much better than us. and it gives defense systems to the Legitimate Governing Dicktatorships that really  need it most. I mean Iran... they try so hard to give their people food, water, health, education, liberties, forced abortions, rape, censorship, torture, murder... you know, the basics that Bush won't give people!! I mean Obama who is now President, but Bush is the one behind it all. Obama has to appear on The Daily Show, how can he possibly have time to run our country, idiots? You can tell Bush never had to spend more than three hours in warddrobe. Who does this jerk think he is?? Anyways, Iran hates Republicans and wants to kill all those morans who goto church on sunday mornings (JUDGING US ALL THE WHILE! THEY JUDGING US!) and that is alright with me, so Iran is warranted to do whatever it wants to do.Go hitler!
 
2013-09-14 01:15:44 PM

xkillyourfacex: Russia is so much better than us. and it gives defense systems to the Legitimate Governing Dicktatorships that really  need it most. I mean Iran... they try so hard to give their people food, water, health, education, liberties, forced abortions, rape, censorship, torture, murder... you know, the basics that Bush won't give people!! I mean Obama who is now President, but Bush is the one behind it all. Obama has to appear on The Daily Show, how can he possibly have time to run our country, idiots? You can tell Bush never had to spend more than three hours in warddrobe. Who does this jerk think he is?? Anyways, Iran hates Republicans and wants to kill all those morans who goto church on sunday mornings (JUDGING US ALL THE WHILE! THEY JUDGING US!) and that is alright with me, so Iran is warranted to do whatever it wants to do.Go hitler!


Someone shove a wallet in his mouth before he swallows his own tongue!
 
2013-09-14 01:17:52 PM

netcentric: John Kerry may not be the best person to deal with issues that require intelligence, diplomacy or common sense.

Lets have Europe or ME countries deal with these issues for a couple of years.     America is in no position to do anything.


Did you say all that with a straight face, or with complete cynicism?
 
2013-09-14 01:20:52 PM
Newsflash: the right has had a raging war-boner for Iran for quite a while now, and they successfully managed to dupe the whole country into invading the last country who dressed all slutty and acted like they wanted it.. The S-300 is a defensive system. This is Iran buying a can of mace.
 
2013-09-14 01:23:44 PM

jjorsett: Well how's the Jerusalem Post and International Business Times?


That's fine as long as it's not THIS SOURCE, which should be completely avoided except by right wing nutjob idiots who can't discern a valid source of information and think that BECAUSE something isn't reported in the "mainstream" media, it is automatically true, which is a great way for ignorable morons to out themselves, so I can ignore the words they fart out of their mouths and move on with my life.
 
2013-09-14 01:37:20 PM

vpb: If it's correct then real news organizations will report it 3 days ago.


Good point.
 
2013-09-14 01:39:17 PM

costermonger: Newsflash: the right has had a raging war-boner for Iran for quite a while now, and they successfully managed to dupe the whole country into invading the last country who dressed all slutty and acted like they wanted it.. The S-300 is a defensive system. This is Iran buying a can of mace.

i.i.cbsi.com
So in your extended metaphor, US foreign policy is a donut-loving UC Davis cop?
 
2013-09-14 01:45:43 PM

jjorsett: The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots.


How dare a sovereign nation resist a US invasion Freedom VisitTM!   It'd be likeif the Poles had had the gall to oppose Germany in 1939.
 
2013-09-14 01:49:56 PM

jjorsett: LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.

Remember when Mitt Romney brought up that Russia was America's biggest geopolitical foe during the campaign and Obama attacked him, saying 1980 called and wanted its foreign policy back and the cold war has been over for 20 years? That's how much of a hero Putin is to conservatives, and what an idiot Obama was and is in foreign policy.


This.

Obama also said Detroit could be saved. Romney said it had to go through bankruptcy.  Romney may have been smarter than Obama, despite being out of touch with the common welfare mom.
 
2013-09-14 01:58:05 PM
The US always argues that air defense and missle defense are purely passive and pose no threat to other countries.

Boot, meet other foot.
 
2013-09-14 01:58:24 PM
The right now hates Obama so much, they are venerating an ex-KGB officer and genuine illegitimate president (Putin is in his third term, which the Russian constitution does not allow), who has jailed dissidents and admittedly murdered opponents.

What's next, they decide Mugabe is a decent capitalist?
 
2013-09-14 01:59:30 PM

PsiChick: Even if this is true, uh...has anyone else forgotten that Putin  isn't a hero?


Well...
 
2013-09-14 02:00:16 PM
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-14 02:03:56 PM

jjorsett: The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


Or we could use cruise missiles or destroy the S-300s with HARMs.  Or both.
 
2013-09-14 02:05:42 PM
We really do hate competition in our arms dealing racket don't we?

/By we, I mean the US gov.
 
2013-09-14 02:09:32 PM

Nemo's Brother: Obama also said Detroit could be saved. Romney said it had to go through bankruptcy


That's quite the disingenuous argument, since neither of them were talking about the government of the city of Detroit and were instead talking about the automotive companies that operate nearby.

despite being out of touch with the common welfare mom.

Oh, never mind
 
2013-09-14 02:10:16 PM

vpb: jjorsett: The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.

Or we could use cruise missiles or destroy the S-300s with HARMs.  Or both.


Or if we only had some kind of unmanned aerial vehicle, like a drone or something....
 
2013-09-14 02:13:47 PM
Cuz that's what global villians do, dawg.

Be a real shame if some Stingers ended up in Chechen hands now, wouldn't it?
 
2013-09-14 02:41:28 PM
and one to Michelle...

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Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.
 
2013-09-14 02:43:25 PM

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I was unaware "professionalism" was the Right's latest Threat to AmericaTM
 
2013-09-14 02:46:49 PM
FTFA:   "We urge you to send Russia a clear message that this kind of irresponsible provocation will not be tolerated by the United States and the international community."

While I don't think its a good idea to send arms to Iran, its an even worse idea to threaten not to "tolerate" Russian arms sales. What is the U.S. supposed to do----attack Russia over this?
 
2013-09-14 02:49:11 PM
It would be un-American to deny Iran its right to bear arms, and to keep Russia from making money. Why do you hate freedom and capitalism, subby?
 
2013-09-14 02:57:03 PM

LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.


Why can't we have HIM for President?  ('Cause bein' forign sure ain't a problem!)
 
2013-09-14 03:00:05 PM

Somacandra: While I don't think its a good idea to send arms to Iran, its an even worse idea to threaten not to "tolerate" Russian arms sales. What is the U.S. supposed to do----attack Russia over this?


Set up more "defensive weapons installations" in the former Soviet republics? Since it violates NATO treaties it ALWAYS pisses them off.
 
2013-09-14 03:03:49 PM
And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.
 
2013-09-14 03:06:08 PM

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liberals hate him!
 
2013-09-14 03:15:14 PM

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There's an article on there about how great Gohmert is.

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


The site contains an article that goes into in depth praise of Gohmert. As such it's opinion on anything can safely be ignored. As can the opinions of any of its supporters. So yes.
 
2013-09-14 03:15:19 PM

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


He's the online equivalent of a picky eating toddler.

BUT I WANT MY CHICKEN NUGGETS FROM MCDONALDS!!!!!!
 
2013-09-14 03:15:25 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


So how are things in the mirror universe ? in ours, it's Iran who threatens Israel on a regular basis and arab nations have the habit of attempting to destroy Israel multiple times. Last time i checked it was Iranian proxy terrorists who actually invaded Israel but don't let pesky facts like that confuse you.
 
2013-09-14 03:16:14 PM

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Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?


Attempt 2: The site contains an article that goes into in depth praise of Gohmert. As such it's opinion on anything can safely be ignored. As can the opinions of any of its supporters. So yes.
 
2013-09-14 03:21:35 PM

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The relationship between the progressive movement and the mainstream media?  Antagonism and disdain?
 
2013-09-14 03:25:32 PM

nucrash: Yes, because they are defensive missile systems.  We shouldn't allow any country to own defensive missile systems.  Not like most of the Eastern block countries that currently are customers of the U.S. list of military industrial complex of corporations, should Iran or any other nation own defensive missiles that could knock out planes that might be flying overhead.


The theory goes:
If Iran's air defense network gets too good, it will make it so Israel can no longer strike them safely, which would make Iran more likely to directly attack Israel or provide more toys for their proxy groups to attack Israel.
 
2013-09-14 03:38:12 PM
He should know that the United States is the only country allowed to sell weapons to others.
 
2013-09-14 03:52:31 PM

jjorsett: vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?

The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


Aircraft are worth more than pilots. Large sums of money, like a jet, can save more than one life.

I expect people to shiat all over me for saying this.
 
2013-09-14 03:57:50 PM

vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


Remember when the National Inquirer exposed John Edwards? Oh the irony, it only took a year and a half for the "real news organizations" to even look at it.
 
2013-09-14 03:59:01 PM
So if Iran is going to buy weapons what alternative does Iran have?  They can't buy them from the US.  Meanwhile these same members of Congress had no problems with the US selling weapons to Georgia or basing a missile defense system in Eastern Europe.  This is just the way the world operates.
 
2013-09-14 04:01:12 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Well, that'll give the US something to Grumble about.


+1

Would laugh again
 
2013-09-14 04:07:09 PM

Brick-House: Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.


BOB?
 
2013-09-14 04:12:08 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Brick-House: Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.

BOB?


That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.
 
2013-09-14 04:16:17 PM

super_grass: He's the online equivalent of a picky eating toddler.

BUT I WANT MY CHICKEN NUGGETS FROM MCDONALDS!!!!!!


This from a guy who once said "It's a black people dish, black people aren't necessarily southern." I believe that was the last time you commented on chicken.
 
2013-09-14 04:17:20 PM

MustangFive: That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.


I get that he's either an idiot or working to convince everyone that he is. I was just wondering what the fark the last 'B' was supposed to be. Personally, I prefer his given name: Balrog HUSSEIN Fartbongo.
 
2013-09-14 04:19:01 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


Iranian air defense would probably not pose too much of an obstacle for Israeli air assets. Iran can't win such a war. They can win the diplomatic phase, but the war? Probably not.
 
2013-09-14 04:22:27 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: MustangFive: That's Brick Shiat House's way of saying Barack Obama. He's been using that for several years now, hoping it will resonate with others, somehow find its way into the common vernacular and go down in the annals of history as the greatest insult that was ever delivered.

This - in addition to the fact that he's dumber than paint - is the reason I have him on ignore.

I get that he's either an idiot or working to convince everyone that he is. I was just wondering what the fark the last 'B' was supposed to be. Personally, I prefer his given name: Balrog HUSSEIN Fartbongo.


Well, if you study it out, the "H" in Barack H. Obama is an abbreviation for Hitler. Turns out that this
hulshofschmidt.files.wordpress.com
Is an actual portrait.
 
2013-09-14 04:23:22 PM

super_grass: jjorsett: veale728: *clicks About Us*

The  Washington Free Beacon, a project of the 501(c)4 Center for American Freedom, is a nonprofit online newspaper that began publication on February 7, 2012. Dedicated to uncovering the stories that the professional left hopes will never see the light of day, the Free Beacon produces in-depth and investigative reporting on a wide range of issues, including public policy, government affairs, international security, and media criticism. Whether it's exposing cronyism, dissecting the relationship between the progressive movement and the mainstream media, finding out just who is shaping our domestic and foreign policy and why, or highlighting the threats to American security and peace in a dangerous world, the  Free Beaconis committed to serving the public interest by reporting news and information that currently is not being fully covered by other news organizations.

Go away, subs.

Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

He's the online equivalent of a picky eating toddler.

BUT I WANT MY CHICKEN NUGGETS FROM MCDONALDS!!!!!!


I'll be sure to reference you on this the next time a conservative complains about Daily KOS.
 
2013-09-14 04:27:23 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Really, Free Bacon?  Really?


I was disappointed at the lack of bacon, free or otherwise.
 
2013-09-14 04:51:10 PM

jjorsett: vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.

What's your evidence that this is an unreliable source, that they espouse a political ideology you disapprove of? Did you bother to click on the link that goes to a house.gov page containing a letter sent by some Congressmen to John Kerry? I'm guessing not.

Here's the start of it:
September 12, 2013

The Honorable John Kerry
U.S. Secretary of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington DC, 20520

Dear Secretary Kerry,

We are writing to express our deep concern over reports that Russia may be renewing
their agreement to supply Iran with five S-300 air defense systems. This potential arms
transfer would have devastating implications for Middle East regional security.


I get it, The Beacon is your rag of a paper. Your defense of it makes more sense.
 
2013-09-14 04:51:39 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


So when do we start bombing Israel?
 
2013-09-14 04:51:43 PM

jjorsett: The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


Wait.

So you're thinking missiles based in Iran that have a limited range will stop Obama from attacking Syria?
 
2013-09-14 04:59:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: nucrash: Yes, because they are defensive missile systems.  We shouldn't allow any country to own defensive missile systems.  Not like most of the Eastern block countries that currently are customers of the U.S. list of military industrial complex of corporations, should Iran or any other nation own defensive missiles that could knock out planes that might be flying overhead.

The theory goes:
If Iran's air defense network gets too good, it will make it so Israel can no longer strike them safely, which would make Iran more likely to directly attack Israel or provide more toys for their proxy groups to attack Israel.


How dare a sovereign nation make it slightly more difficult for Israel to bomb them.  It's like that girl who dressed kinda slutty, but then she had mace so you couldn't rape her so easily - entirely her fault.
 
2013-09-14 05:00:11 PM
Iran and Russia have been fiddle-farking around on the S-300 sale since 2007. Two 'concerned' congressmen writing a letter at this stage of the game is nothing to get excited about. This story may have come up because the author is a pro-Israeli extremist.
 
2013-09-14 05:05:08 PM

El Pachuco: How dare a sovereign nation make it slightly more difficult for Israel to bomb them. It's like that girl who dressed kinda slutty, but then she had mace so you couldn't rape her so easily - entirely her fault.


Yep.  While I agree with you, keep in mind that Iran is pretty openly arming tons of terrorist groups that have no problem with attacking civilian targets in Israel.
 
2013-09-14 05:30:44 PM

jjorsett: vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?

The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-09-14 05:31:47 PM
vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


but that's unpossible because they're all leftists!
 
2013-09-14 05:33:53 PM
While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.
 
2013-09-14 05:48:39 PM

clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.


Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.
 
2013-09-14 05:53:09 PM

jakomo002: And since Israel has undeclared nukes, undeclared chemical and biological weapons  (including sarin), and a habit of invading her neighbors while constantly threatening Iran, it would be irresponsible of the Iranian military NOT to load up on air defense.


When your neighbors have a nasty habit of conducting surprise invasions of your country, and you are handed absolute proof they are going to do it again in a matter of days, you'd jump on their ass first if you could.
 
2013-09-14 06:02:04 PM

Tremolo: clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.

Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.


OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.
 
2013-09-14 06:04:24 PM
I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.
 
2013-09-14 06:06:08 PM

Nasty Celt: I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.


Nice troll.
 
2013-09-14 06:10:01 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Right.  Which is why all those planes we lost in Vietnam just crashed themselves.  Because the Russians are just SO stupid.  Why, their weapons are more likely to kill their users.

Our magic Jesus blessed weapons make us invincible, which is why no US soldier has died in combat in decades.
 
2013-09-14 06:13:14 PM

vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.


RT is denying it, so that lends the story some credibility.  If RT reported that the earth revolved around the sun, I would question it.

Another more reliable source.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2013/0911/Is-Russia-toying-with-US-Mi ss ile-sale-to-Iran-raises-question
 
2013-09-14 06:15:28 PM

Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

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Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.



You do know that posting comics from Stilton Jarlsberg, a known racist and general asshole does not win you any hearts and minds here right?

You neither strengthen your argument or convince anyone.

Hope and Change is a sick and sad little place full of people who hate crackers eaters, thinly veiled racism
and just a general hate.
but you know what... keep on keeping on. Every time you post really dumb stuff like this Im sure you get on a few more ignore lists... with just a little more effort and steadfast whaargarble and herp you can be on everyones ignore list in no time.
Heres a little gem from Hope and Change for people who havent has the misfortune to see it.

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2013-09-14 06:22:27 PM

jjorsett: LarryDan43: He hates gays and he showed up Obama. That makes him a great man and conservative hero.

Remember when Mitt Romney brought up that Russia was America's biggest geopolitical foe during the campaign and Obama attacked him, saying 1980 called and wanted its foreign policy back and the cold war has been over for 20 years? That's how much of a hero Putin is to conservatives, and what an idiot Obama was and is in foreign policy.


Romney tried to warn us but we didn't listen?

OMG, that's like the funniest thing I've read on Fark all day so far.

Gud jerb!

And yeah if Putin were an American and a Republican he would be their nom for POTUS in 2016.
 
2013-09-14 06:22:51 PM

vpb: Or we could use cruise missiles or destroy the S-300s with HARMs.  Or both.


Or just float on in there with stealth aircraft and bomb what we want anyway.
 
2013-09-14 06:32:32 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art." Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Don't discount Russia so much.  Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.

I only recently found out that Stoli was made in Latvia and not Russia, but that's still a product of the former Soviet Union and you can shove your Grey Goose and your Belvedere and your Absolut up your ass (I hear that makes you drunk faster anyway).

Nobody under the age of 50 wears wristwatches anyway and the only people who do, do it because wearing a $6000 Rolex is a status symbol.

Laugh at Russia all you like (there is plenty to laugh at, just like there's plenty to laugh at in the US), but they're still a major player and I don't see Iran making their own missiles.

Russian fashion?  I don't even give a flying fark about American fashion, but I do think those fur hats they make in Russia are pretty cool and I bet they use real fur which should piss off the PETA crowd, so that's a bonus.
 
2013-09-14 06:36:21 PM

Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

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Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.


That cartoon series is less funny than Family Circus. Anybody that has a hand in its continued creation and distribution should be put down.
 
2013-09-14 06:51:45 PM

tin_man: Brick-House: and one to Michelle...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x309]

Have you ever thought that perhaps BOB's Leadership and Management skill sets might have peaked way back when he was a mediocre community organizer?  Recent events do seem to suggest that.

That cartoon series is less funny than Family Circus. Anybody that has a hand in its continued creation and distribution should be put down.


It's funny simply knowing that it pisses you off.
But you're right about Family Circus- christian, family values makes poor fodder for humor.
 
2013-09-14 06:53:42 PM

clambam: OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."


Russia makes some dang fine optics.  I wouldn't think twice about buying a telescope with Russian ground mirrors and lenses.  All the other components of the telescope I'd want made elsewhere in the world but the optics can be Russian made.
 
2013-09-14 06:54:39 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.


You're both right and wrong.

You are RIGHT about their space program.  Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


You are WRONG about their weapons.  Iraq I & II proved you wrong.


Obama made us reliant on it?

So... You really DON'T know what you're talking about, do you?
 
2013-09-14 06:58:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: You are RIGHT about their space program. Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


I think Bushy boy was hoping some invisible hands would replace NASA's space program.
 
2013-09-14 06:58:40 PM
 
2013-09-14 06:59:46 PM

Neighborhood Watch: dinch: Obama made us reliant on it?  So... You really DON'T know what you're talking about, do you?


So... the U.S. hasn't been relying on Russia to lift payloads into space for the last 5 years?

Please enlighten me.


Yes, we've been using Russia to loft astronauts and payload to the iss ever since the shuttle was decommissioned. Are you saying Obama decommissioned the shuttle?
 
2013-09-14 07:02:15 PM
What I find hilarious is all the righties that we're clamoring to defund NASA are suddenly upset about NASA having the Constellation funds dry up. Hilarious
 
2013-09-14 07:06:15 PM
freak 7  Nasty Celt  I suppose the US could lead by example and stop arming Israel who keeps threatening to attack Iran.

Nice troll.

I take it you hate those damned inconvenient truths. You sound like a politician and yes that's an insult.
 
2013-09-14 07:16:01 PM

clowncar on fire: It's funny simply knowing that it pisses you off.


The thing is, it's so obviously racist and poorly executed that it doesn't even piss me off. It's like being angry at a kid with downs syndrome because he can't do calculus, you know he's simply not capable so there's no point in getting angry when can't. You can't expect any better from ignorant racists so really it's more pity than anything else.
 
2013-09-14 07:17:10 PM

PsiChick: Even if this is true, uh...has anyone else forgotten that Putin  isn't a hero? He's just the villain you can honestly respect.

/Seriously. People. Can we try and have an attention span greater than that of a duck?


AFLAC!
 
2013-09-14 07:18:36 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: Their space program is pretty good and they're also pretty good at making weapons.  They may not be quite as good as American weapons, but they're still nothing to be trifled with.


You're both right and wrong.

You are RIGHT about their space program.  Obama has now made us reliant upon it.


You are WRONG about their weapons.  Iraq I & II proved you wrong.


Russia usually just sells cheaper less advanced weapons to other countries.  Sure, they may not have anything that can go up against an M1-Abrams tank or our best fighter jets (whatever that is these days), but a war between the US and Russia would be pretty ugly even if neither nation pulled out their nukes.

Iraq's weapons never stood a chance against the US.  We have a bigger military and spend way more money than any other country in the world.  Were they even top of the line Russian issue when we went to war in '91?  I doubt it, but I'm sure they weren't when we invaded them in '03.

And did we even "win" the 2nd round with Iraq?  Sure, we got Saddam Hussein, but there's still a war going on in Iraq.  It's not as bad as Syria, but it's still pretty ugly.  Just yesterday there were 50 people killed. We're not even halfway through September and over 450 civilians have been killed this month according to one site on the internet.

Can you imagine the shiatstorm that would ensue if a proportionate number (based on population) were killed in the US?  Iraq has about 1/10th the population of the US.  What if 500 people were killed in the US in one day mostly by IEDs?

We didn't win despite our overwhelming firepower.
 
2013-09-14 07:23:14 PM

clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.


The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.
 
2013-09-14 07:34:26 PM

Neighborhood Watch: gfid: We didn't win despite our overwhelming firepower.


Yes.  You are right.

Do you know why?


Well, it's kind of complicated and can't easily be summed up in a Fark post.  Or can it?  Is there a limit to the number of characters?

At any rate, I suppose you could say we won the war, but lost the peace.  There's only so much that technology can do.

You seem to be diverting the discussion.  Who besides the US makes the best weapons?   Is it China?  France?  The UK?

Oh well.  At least we should be able to agree that Russia makes the best Krokodil
 
2013-09-14 07:36:14 PM

Target Builder: clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.

The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.


Transistor radios, rock 'n' roll, fast food and blue jeans. If there was a profit in space we'd have gone there, but instead we had a token government space program. Not because space was too difficult for private enterprise, but because space is hard to make a profit from.
 
2013-09-14 07:43:00 PM

clambam: Tremolo: clambam: While this is a possibly dangerous situation, can anyone here give an example of Russian-armed force going up against an American-armed force and the Russian side winning by dint of superior technology? I didn't think so. There's a reason the Soviets backed down during the Cuban missile crisis, why American fighter jets routinely shot down MiGs during the Viet Nam war, and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been. Accepting technology from the Russians means a) accepting a large contingent of Russian technical advisers to help make sure a drunken technician in Vladivostok didn't accidentally switch the red and the blue wires and b) never being quite sure it's going to do what it';s supposed to do when you want to do it, or simply explode on the launch pad.

Right, if something was true in the 70's then of course it's true forty years later. Especially when we're talking about technology.

OK, please give me an example of anything, anything Russian-made, in any area of technology, that is top notch, premium quality "state of the art."  Do you drive a fine Russian automobile? Is that a sleek Russian wristwatch I see you wearing? Is your computer made in Russia, running one of those efficient Russian operating systems? Do you purchase Russian fashions, or even their vodka? About the only thing the Russkies excel at these days seems to be writing computer viruses and even that the average 16 year old American hacker can probably beat.

Gimme a break.


Give me a break, your line of reasoning was farking stupid. Don't blame me for it. Russia didn't become a superpower by having shiat weaponry.
 
Ab3
2013-09-14 08:17:29 PM

Heliovdrake: Hope and Change


This comic strip is so not funny!You would think it would hit a decent punchline at least once. I am not even saying this as a liberal or a conservative I am just.... ye gods it's  the MANOS THE HANDS OF FATE of comic strips...
 
2013-09-14 08:47:52 PM

vygramul: He's such an idiot he got what he wanted while Putin backed down?


Right on schedule.  I recently posted here that it won't be long before we start hearing that Obama never wanted a military strike on Syria.
 
2013-09-14 08:48:16 PM

Target Builder: clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.

The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.



First rover on moon and on mars and first to venus. And the list goes on.

People seem to forget that the Russians beat us to pretty much everything in those days other than landing people on the moon.
 
2013-09-14 10:04:45 PM

crab66: Target Builder: clambam:  and why the Russians never quite made it to the moon. Their technology is clumsy and unreliable, and always has been.

The Russians got:

First satellite in space
First animal in space
First man in space
First woman in space
First inhabited space station

The US got the first man on the moon, which hasn't been revisited for many decades, while the Russians built the first space station that was in operation for over a decade and from which we (humans) learned a lot and were able to build a better ISS cooperatively between nations.


First rover on moon and on mars and first to venus. And the list goes on.

People seem to forget that the Russians beat us to pretty much everything in those days other than landing people on the moon.




But that was the one that counted, as it was an order of difficulty far higher than sending out rudimentary probes. This made it the event to one up us on, and it was the thing they failed at because the true state of their program couldn't (and never did) boost the payload sized needed to start.

Russia has a habit of making things good enough and then producing them in numbers to be feared. This works with rifles and tanks and ships, and even jets to some extent.
Not so much for space exploration vehicles or highly advanced weapon systems.

You've got to be willing to bite the developmental bullet to get those.
 
2013-09-14 10:15:43 PM
way south:
But that was the one that counted, as it was an order of difficulty far higher than sending out rudimentary probes. This made it the event to one up us on, and it was the thing they failed at because the true state of their program couldn't (and never did) boost the payload sized needed to start.

Russia has a habit of making things good enough and then producing them in numbers to be feared. This works with rifles and tanks and ships, and even jets to some extent.
Not so much for space exploration vehicles or highly advanced weapon systems.


why was it the one that counted? It certainly wasn't the one that gave rise to a lot of the technology we use in space exploration today. TBH - it sounds like it the one that 'counted' because we want it to be the one that counted so we can say the US 'won', but when it comes down to it their work on initial space exploration combined with their work on Mir was a lot more valuable to space exploration than landing on the moon.
 
2013-09-14 10:18:47 PM

TV's Vinnie: Cuz that's what global villians do, dawg.

Be a real shame if some Stingers ended up in Chechen hands now, wouldn't it?


The Chechens have had Stingers since the mujahideen began sending them to Iran to copy after they ran the Soviets out of Afghanistan the first time. Ours.
 
2013-09-14 10:44:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: How dare a sovereign nation make it slightly more difficult for Israel to bomb them. It's like that girl who dressed kinda slutty, but then she had mace so you couldn't rape her so easily - entirely her fault.

Yep.  While I agree with you, keep in mind that Iran is pretty openly arming tons of terrorist groups that have no problem with attacking civilian targets in Israel.


Now why would they want to do that?  The Iranian reason why, not the strawman why we see in US media.  Why would Iran do that?
 
2013-09-14 10:44:47 PM

paygun: vygramul: He's such an idiot he got what he wanted while Putin backed down?

Right on schedule.  I recently posted here that it won't be long before we start hearing that Obama never wanted a military strike on Syria.


He wanted the military strike as a means to an end. He got the end he wanted. He doesn't care about the means. You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference.
 
2013-09-14 10:47:18 PM

Smackledorfer: jjorsett: vpb: AngryDragon: Who cares?  The more armed to the teeth they are over there the better.  As long as we stay out of it.  Let them blow each other to hell.

Oh, and am I to assume that arming third parties is only insidious military dick waving when THEY do it?

The Israelis have nukes, they can handle it for us.  That's why we give them all that military aid right?

The S-300 is an air defense missile, and it makes it tougher for anyone to "handle it," nukes or not. The next time Obama thinks about attacking Syria, if these are in place we might lose some aircraft, and more importantly, pilots. That's one reason to care.

Aircraft are worth more than pilots. Large sums of money, like a jet, can save more than one life.

I expect people to shiat all over me for saying this.


It's positively Un'Murican!
 
2013-09-14 11:02:48 PM

El Pachuco: Now why would they want to do that? The Iranian reason why, not the strawman why we see in US media. Why would Iran do that?


Because they don't like Israel?

Wait, are you actually trying to imply that Iran DOESN'T arm terrorist groups?
 
2013-09-14 11:22:50 PM

Spare Me: vpb: jjorsett: Is it your customary habit to ignore verifiable facts when they're reported by a source that you don't like?

If it's an unreliable source yes.  If it's correct then real news organizations will report it.

Remember when the National Inquirer exposed John Edwards? Oh the irony, it only took a year and a half for the "real news organizations" to even look at it.


Apparently you missed their HUGE expose on false equivalencies!
 
2013-09-14 11:56:05 PM

vygramul: paygun: vygramul: He's such an idiot he got what he wanted while Putin backed down?

Right on schedule.  I recently posted here that it won't be long before we start hearing that Obama never wanted a military strike on Syria.

He wanted the military strike as a means to an end. He got the end he wanted. He doesn't care about the means. You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference.


I guess that's why he said from the beginning that he wanted Syria to hand over their chemical weapons to Russia.  lol
 
2013-09-14 11:56:09 PM

Neighborhood Watch: So... the U.S. hasn't been relying on Russia to lift payloads into space for the last 5 years?

Please enlighten me.


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You are referring to ferrying astronauts to the ISS in low-earth orbit and ignoring the rest of the space program.
NASA's budget has been declining since 1966, and it is controlled by congress. Do you really think Presidents control the budget?
 
2013-09-15 12:14:28 AM

Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: Now why would they want to do that? The Iranian reason why, not the strawman why we see in US media. Why would Iran do that?

Because they don't like Israel?

Wait, are you actually trying to imply that Iran DOESN'T arm terrorist groups?


[eyeroll]

Iran bankrolls terrorists (or "insurgents") for the same reason the US does. And for the same reason we supported fascist thugs in the 70's and 80's so long as they professed themselves to be anti-Communist. One ALWAYS supports one's allies under the somewhat dubious theory of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." (Which is usually wrong; the enemy of your enemy is usually just not your enemy yet, at least not until your money runs out; but have no thought for the morrow)

Yes, Iran hates Israel. Yes, they'd be happy if Israel were to suddenly vanish. But Iran has a great deal to lose if the balance of power were to shift in the Middle East, and nothing at all to gain with an open war with Israel, mostly because, being the focus of Shi'a Islam, they are surrounded quite literally by Sunni Muslims who mostly  hate them. If Israel--the focus of Muslim hate in the region--were to disappear, the next logical target would be Iran, as the most visible stronghold of Shi'ite Muslims.

But of course, since Americans think "all them Mooslimbs are the same" and can't fathom the genuine tribal hatreds going on in Islam, the idea that, for instance, the only thing keeping Pakistan and Iraq from uniting against Iran is their mutual hatred of Israel is just too much to parse.
 
2013-09-15 12:20:00 AM

Target Builder: way south:
But that was the one that counted, as it was an order of difficulty far higher than sending out rudimentary probes. This made it the event to one up us on, and it was the thing they failed at because the true state of their program couldn't (and never did) boost the payload sized needed to start.

Russia has a habit of making things good enough and then producing them in numbers to be feared. This works with rifles and tanks and ships, and even jets to some extent.
Not so much for space exploration vehicles or highly advanced weapon systems.

why was it the one that counted? It certainly wasn't the one that gave rise to a lot of the technology we use in space exploration today. TBH - it sounds like it the one that 'counted' because we want it to be the one that counted so we can say the US 'won', but when it comes down to it their work on initial space exploration combined with their work on Mir was a lot more valuable to space exploration than landing on the moon.




Its a sour grapes argument.

Going to the moon needed Heavy lift space vehicles four times more powerful than the biggest Russian launchers. It required very accurate and portable Internal navigation and electronic flight control computers. We had to develop the suits, tools, skills and all of the extras it takes to not only launch from earth but to also launch a rocket from moon with no outside intervention. Doing it right the first time, every time.

Sometime after you're done launching the first satellite, dog, man, woman, and block of cheese you've got to advance your game to the next step.
The technology to send men somewhere and bring them back seems like a simple task now, but without this capability the continued exploration or militarization of space would be impossible. It was an obvious hurdle the Russians failed to clear when their heavy lift rockets started going boom.

As a result their program was trapped in orbit. They could only dock a few capsules together and call it a station, with modules small enough to fit inside Skylab or a shuttle cargo bay.

They found a good design in Soyuz, but one good thing doesn't get you anywhere. They needed to keep pushing boundaries.
 
2013-09-15 12:24:09 AM

paygun: vygramul: paygun: vygramul: He's such an idiot he got what he wanted while Putin backed down?

Right on schedule.  I recently posted here that it won't be long before we start hearing that Obama never wanted a military strike on Syria.

He wanted the military strike as a means to an end. He got the end he wanted. He doesn't care about the means. You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference.

I guess that's why he said from the beginning that he wanted Syria to hand over their chemical weapons to Russia.  lol


What are you, 12?
 
2013-09-15 12:31:48 AM

Brick-House: BOB


I'm f*cking serious. Stop that. It invalidates your arguments and makes you look like an idiot. I've seen you display some genuine wit now and then, but you're wasting it the rest of the time.

Do you like looking like an idiot, or do you wanna earn kitty's respect?
 
2013-09-15 12:45:13 AM

Neighborhood Watch: Libya fiasco?


Fiasco?

A dictator was toppled without one American boot on the ground at a cost that wouldn't pay for a day in Iraq. If anything Libya was an example of American foreign policy done right in the region.

Just because RW news sources repeat something endlessly for year on end doesn't mean it isn't complete and utter BS.
 
2013-09-15 12:56:45 AM

Neighborhood Watch: How did Obama find the money to pay for the 'leading from behind' Libya fiasco?  Congress didn't have anything to do with it, that's for sure.  That billion dollars (chump change, right?) had to come from SOMEWHERE, didn't it?

Like, where did it come from?


/what could NASA do with an extra BILLION dollars?


Are you suggesting that money spent on Libya would have gone to NASA? Seriously?
Presidential powers allow for some leeway in foreign policy but NASA funding is under congressional control.
If you want to talk about Libya I think you are in the wrong thread. If you think NASA is underfunded then you and I agree. NASA's funding has been decreasing for decades under several administrations. Like it or not, NASA's heyday was at the height of the cold war when the "space race" was a form of brinkmanship. The international political climate has changed and investment in huge rockets is no longer a priority, but the USA is doing wonders with remotely controlled vehicles, such as the Mars Rover and UAVs.

Greece has had the Russian S-300 air defense system since 1998. The S-300 program dates back to 1978, under the Soviets. Two congressmen writing a letter about the S-300 doesn't constitute an emergency. Iran and the Russians have been going around and around on this proposed sale for six years, and Iran has sued the Russian national military export company for non-delivery/breach of contract. The Russians may cobble something together for Iran, in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, and access to favorable oil deals.
 
2013-09-15 01:38:14 AM

vygramul: What are you, 12?


I guess I'm just gullible enough to take John Kerry on his word:   http://www.trust.org/item/20130909200515-5ncvm
 
2013-09-15 01:40:56 AM
Here's another piece of the brilliant Obama/Kerry strategy.  It's either one of the most carefully orchestrated political moves ever, well either that or it's just what it appears to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_KBRJYQyY
 
2013-09-15 02:06:52 AM

red5ish: Greece has had the Russian S-300 air defense system since 1998. The S-300 program dates back to 1978, under the Soviets. Two congressmen writing a letter about the S-300 doesn't constitute an emergency. Iran and the Russians have been going around and around on this proposed sale for six years, and Iran has sued the Russian national military export company for non-delivery/breach of contract. The Russians may cobble something together for Iran, in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, and access to favorable oil deals.


There's several dozen versions of the S-300 series, you know.  It's not like it's unchanged since the 70's.
 
2013-09-15 03:06:01 AM

Satanic_Hamster: red5ish: Greece has had the Russian S-300 air defense system since 1998. The S-300 program dates back to 1978, under the Soviets. Two congressmen writing a letter about the S-300 doesn't constitute an emergency. Iran and the Russians have been going around and around on this proposed sale for six years, and Iran has sued the Russian national military export company for non-delivery/breach of contract. The Russians may cobble something together for Iran, in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, and access to favorable oil deals.

There's several dozen versions of the S-300 series, you know.  It's not like it's unchanged since the 70's.


I know, and every client country gets a different version. The Russians, a few years ago, took apart the units intended for Iran when the the UN was enforcing sanctions against Iran, and the Russians have used that to defend themselves in the lawsuit over non-delivery. Now the Russians don't have an Iranian version and may build or cobble together a new one if they intend to go through with the sale. My point is that this controversy about selling the S-300 to Iran has been going on for six years. That these two congressmen have written a letter at this point in time is of little or no importance. The author of the article is a pro-Israel extremist and has blown the importance of this very minor event out of proportion. I imagine the congressmen came up with the idea over drinks and had a press release sent to every name on a long list of news outlets. Only this guy thought it was news.
 
2013-09-15 03:51:02 AM

Gyrfalcon: Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: Now why would they want to do that? The Iranian reason why, not the strawman why we see in US media. Why would Iran do that?

Because they don't like Israel?

Wait, are you actually trying to imply that Iran DOESN'T arm terrorist groups?

[eyeroll]

Iran bankrolls terrorists (or "insurgents") for the same reason the US does. And for the same reason we supported fascist thugs in the 70's and 80's so long as they professed themselves to be anti-Communist. One ALWAYS supports one's allies under the somewhat dubious theory of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." (Which is usually wrong; the enemy of your enemy is usually just not your enemy yet, at least not until your money runs out; but have no thought for the morrow)

Yes, Iran hates Israel. Yes, they'd be happy if Israel were to suddenly vanish. But Iran has a great deal to lose if the balance of power were to shift in the Middle East, and nothing at all to gain with an open war with Israel, mostly because, being the focus of Shi'a Islam, they are surrounded quite literally by Sunni Muslims who mostly  hate them. If Israel--the focus of Muslim hate in the region--were to disappear, the next logical target would be Iran, as the most visible stronghold of Shi'ite Muslims.

But of course, since Americans think "all them Mooslimbs are the same" and can't fathom the genuine tribal hatreds going on in Islam, the idea that, for instance, the only thing keeping Pakistan and Iraq from uniting against Iran is their mutual hatred of Israel is just too much to parse.


No no no.  It's simply because Iran hates Israel for no reason at all, like he said, and like the US media always tells us.  You Do. Not. Need to think any deeper about the why.
 
2013-09-15 04:33:06 AM

paygun: Here's another piece of the brilliant Obama/Kerry strategy.  It's either one of the most carefully orchestrated political moves ever, well either that or it's just what it appears to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_KBRJYQyY


I dunno....after half a dozen of Obama's henchmen speaking off the cuff about key policy decisions that wound up being EXACTLY what the administration subsequently did, I'm becoming convinced Obama is the most brilliant scriptwriter and genius troll ever to sit in the Oval Office.

"Hey, Joe, I need to test America's opinion about gay rights before I repeal DOMA and DADT. Make some casual remark about being gay, okay?"
"John, make a long impassioned speech about why we need to bomb Syria, then drop in a line about the way we're not going to do it. Get the heat off me."
"Sue, this is going to hurt, but I need you to appear misspeak on Benghazi, so the dummies will attack your nom for Secretary. I need you for National Security Adviser instead."

Genius!
 
2013-09-15 04:35:30 AM
Just checking in with you politics tab morons, and holy shiat was this thread full of asinine comments and trolls. New low for Fark.
 
2013-09-15 08:12:42 AM

paygun: Here's another piece of the brilliant Obama/Kerry strategy.  It's either one of the most carefully orchestrated political moves ever, well either that or it's just what it appears to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_KBRJYQyY


"Assad can go fark himself."

Russia has issued a statement that Assad has agreed to go fark himself. Putin says he has brokered a deal that will see the self-farking through, and that the UN will videotape the whole thing and sell the video under the Vivid Video label.

"When I said Assad can go fark himself, I didn't mean it as an actual proposal. That he said he'll go and do it doesn't mean I think he'll follow through, but I think it's a great idea. His track record of making realistic statements aren't great, but if he actually does indeed go fark himself, everyone will be quite pleased."

Paygun, in the meantime, has decided this self-farking is a total win for Putin and Assad, as self-farking is apparently considered by some to be quite enjoyable.
 
2013-09-15 09:54:12 AM

El Pachuco: No no no. It's simply because Iran hates Israel for no reason at all, like he said, and like the US media always tells us. You Do. Not. Need to think any deeper about the why.


Never said "no reason at all."  But to claim that Iran doesn't fund terrorist and insurgent groups and it's all a smear campaign by the media is just moronic.
 
2013-09-15 11:57:38 AM

vygramul: "Assad can go fark himself."


You're right, that video never happened.  It must be another vast right-wing conspiracy.
 
2013-09-15 01:32:20 PM

Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: No no no. It's simply because Iran hates Israel for no reason at all, like he said, and like the US media always tells us. You Do. Not. Need to think any deeper about the why.

Never said "no reason at all."  But to claim that Iran doesn't fund terrorist and insurgent groups and it's all a smear campaign by the media is just moronic.


I'm not claiming that in the slightest - you presented that strawman and I ignored it.

But I won't do that to you - are you saying that the reasons why Iran might want to support anti-Israeli resistance movements is a topic thoroughly discussed and examined in the US media?  In my opinion, that question is dismissed as "they just hate teh jooz to pieces" without any further examination, which makes it easy for you to use it as a reason why Iran should not have air defense capabilities against an Israeli act of war.

"What's wrong with Iran buying anti-air missiles from Russia?"
"It would make it harder for Israel to attack Iran."
"Okay, so?"
"Well, Iran gives money and small arms to the Palestinian resistance."
"...and for that they should remain vulnerable to Israeli airstrikes?"
"Yes! "
"Well, why on earth would the Iranians risk all that just to support a resistance movement?"
"Because they hate Israel.  End of story.  Nothing more to see here, move along."
 
2013-09-15 01:57:52 PM

El Pachuco: Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: No no no. It's simply because Iran hates Israel for no reason at all, like he said, and like the US media always tells us. You Do. Not. Need to think any deeper about the why.

Never said "no reason at all."  But to claim that Iran doesn't fund terrorist and insurgent groups and it's all a smear campaign by the media is just moronic.

I'm not claiming that in the slightest - you presented that strawman and I ignored it.

But I won't do that to you - are you saying that the reasons why Iran might want to support anti-Israeli resistance movements is a topic thoroughly discussed and examined in the US media?  In my opinion, that question is dismissed as "they just hate teh jooz to pieces" without any further examination, which makes it easy for you to use it as a reason why Iran should not have air defense capabilities against an Israeli act of war.

"What's wrong with Iran buying anti-air missiles from Russia?"
"It would make it harder for Israel to attack Iran."
"Okay, so?"
"Well, Iran gives money and small arms to the Palestinian resistance."
"...and for that they should remain vulnerable to Israeli airstrikes?"
"Yes! "
"Well, why on earth would the Iranians risk all that just to support a resistance movement?"
"Because they hate Israel.  End of story.  Nothing more to see here, move along."


I am with you on this one.  The number of people who don't even bother to figure out why people and countries do what they do is absurd.

Not only is your average criminal not the evil dog deserving to be put down, but there is no way entire countries are full of them.  People vastly underestimate their ability to remain morally/ethically superior if put in the same circumstances as others.  

We have farkers posting in this very thread who are convinced that no muslim or arab, by way of religion and ethnicity, could possibly govern themselves or be accepting of other cultures. Meanwhile these people have had all the benefits of growing up in a peaceful place with a strong middle class, secluded from a lifetime of skirmishes between cultures, and still can't overcome the very things they would critique the arab/muslim nations for.

Which obviously is not to say one should accept bad behavior, but you can't fix it if you don't understand it.
 
2013-09-15 02:58:26 PM

paygun: vygramul: "Assad can go fark himself."

You're right, that video never happened.  It must be another vast right-wing conspiracy.


That's exactly what that video said. But, then, reality has a liberal bias. So go ahead and continue to make shiat up while tears stream down your face and snot bubbles out of your knows because people won't just accept your wishful thinking as reality.
 
2013-09-15 06:06:30 PM
Oh...now just what the heck am I gonna Farky paygun with??

Anybody got any suggestions? I'm tapped.
 
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