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(PBS)   Not news: Little boy demands his bedroom be modeled after bridge of Starship Enterprise. News: Little boy is actually Gen. Alexander, NSA head. Fark: Lawmakers, officials loved to sit in Captain's chair   (pbs.org) divider line 59
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2013-09-14 01:53:44 PM
Tax dollars hard at work.
 
2013-09-14 01:54:23 PM
This is at least 10 years old.  For a war room, the layout isn't horrible
 
2013-09-14 01:56:41 PM
Main viewer to screen saver 3.
 
2013-09-14 01:56:50 PM
"Sir, please stop referring to the President as 'Number Two' "
 
2013-09-14 01:57:04 PM
There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.
 
2013-09-14 01:57:47 PM
NERDS!!!!!
 
2013-09-14 02:01:49 PM
At least I know where the line between fantasy and reality lies, unlike Gen. Alexander and the entirety of Congress.
 
2013-09-14 02:03:41 PM
Nothing wrong with the idea - and actually it's a decent model for the job, provided it can be done with the limited bodies such space permits.

Think about Mission Control - the old one you see in Apollo 13 - that was something like 5% of the people actually working on the flight controlling - most of them did not sit in the hot seats, but were in myriad other places doing their jobs.  Only certain outputs were shown when their data was critical to the mission.

Probalby did not cost much more than the average war room so really, I'm not going to go with massive outrage, more admiration for his cleverness.
 
2013-09-14 02:03:55 PM
For some reason this doesn't bother me and I would usually holler about my tax dollars at work....but the layout would work for a war room, the equipment was necessary to the job, and it sounds like it was a good political move that probably helped him grease the wheels a bit. Now I don't know if I really wanted those wheels greased but I am guessing no. So all-in-all, sounds like a geeky project that worked.
 
2013-09-14 02:06:43 PM

Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.


It's based off of the TNG bridge.  Except it's nicer since it's not a prop.
 
2013-09-14 02:07:57 PM
I'm sure the new version will be based off of the Helicarrier bridge from the Avengers.
 
2013-09-14 02:11:20 PM

Drake Maijstral: At least I know where the line between fantasy and reality lies, unlike Gen. Alexander and the entirety of Congress.


on one hand, it's concerning that there are such freaks that high up in the government.  On the other hand, it's kind of encouraging to know that, as one, there are such wonderful advancement opportunities out there.
 
2013-09-14 02:13:22 PM
"I like it!"

i.adultswim.com
 
2013-09-14 02:13:43 PM

Deedeemarz: For some reason this doesn't bother me and I would usually holler about my tax dollars at work....but the layout would work for a war room, the equipment was necessary to the job, and it sounds like it was a good political move that probably helped him grease the wheels a bit. Now I don't know if I really wanted those wheels greased but I am guessing no. So all-in-all, sounds like a geeky project that worked.


Was the $42,000 lotion and paper towel dispenser really necessary?
 
2013-09-14 02:14:04 PM
I wonder if they 3D printed the captain's chair? Anyone know?
 
2013-09-14 02:15:25 PM
The IRS did it better.
 
2013-09-14 02:20:14 PM
It's a classroom. That's the basis of the model. Really, if you want to go further back, it's probably church. Big display up front, workstations facing it. Before moving pictures, maps were the primary displays.

The only weird thing is the captain's chair. But According to multiple people, Reagan wanted to know where the Dr Strangelove bunker was during his first days in office. He was disappointed. He may have built it for all we know.

And the doors that go whoosh? Like you see at any grocery store?
 
2013-09-14 02:26:58 PM
PainfulItching
And the doors that go whoosh? Like you see at any grocery store?

I want my doors to make a nice klink, like a Klingon ship.
 
2013-09-14 02:34:24 PM

hardinparamedic: I wonder if they 3D printed the captain's chair? Anyone know?


Is it the size of a sugar cube with the same durability?
 
2013-09-14 02:43:33 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Is it the size of a sugar cube with the same durability?


Good morning to you too.
 
2013-09-14 02:43:37 PM

Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.


Well, there's a pic from TNG, and a reference to people wanting to be "Jean-Luc Picard".  I think the writer assumed that from this evidence, someone would be able to figure it out.  Apparently he was wrong.
 
2013-09-14 02:48:21 PM

Drake Maijstral: At least I know where the line between fantasy and reality lies, unlike Gen. Alexander and the entirety of Congress.


Ahhh yes...

Lets remember those good times when General Alexander lied under oath to Congress...


Rep. Johnson: Does the NSA intercept Americans' cell phone conversations?

Director Alexander: No.

Google searches?

No.

Text messages?

No.

Amazon.com orders?

No.

Bank records?

No.

What judicial consent is required for NSA to intercept communications and information involving American citizens?

Within the United States, that would be the FBI lead. If it were a foreign actor in the United States, the FBI would still have to lead. It could work that with NSA or other intelligence agencies as authorized. But to conduct that kind of collection in the United States it would have to go through a court order, and the court would have to authorize it. We're not authorized to do it, nor do we do it.


Thank goodness he hasn't been fired and charged with a felony for lying under oath to Congress like that baseball player who lied about steroid use.

It's important to know that the rich and powerful can never be prosecuted for their crimes.

Here's another occasion when he merely lied at a public conference, but was not under oath.

"To think we're collecting on every U.S. person... that would be against the law"

Oh, look. He does know he's breaking the law after all. He just doesn't care when he lies to the people and when he commits a felony offense by lying under oath to Congress.
 
2013-09-14 02:51:43 PM

hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: Is it the size of a sugar cube with the same durability?

Good morning to you too.


I am so tempted to go all "singing in the rain"; but, I think this is funnier.

An old blind man went to the fish market; early one Saturday morning. He filled his lungs with air and said, "Good morning, ladies".
 
2013-09-14 03:02:45 PM

Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.


Um, there were 7 enterprises pictured in the shows/movies (not counting alternate universes or sea wessels). At least 11 existed if we assume all letters between E and J were used. We never saw the bridge of the Enterprise J, but the other 6 we did.
 
2013-09-14 03:07:34 PM
I wonder if the government could make a killing off building one of these in a public space and letting the public in for an entry fee, and renting it out for people who need exclusive access for a day.
 
2013-09-14 03:16:55 PM

serial_crusher: Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.

Um, there were 7 enterprises pictured in the shows/movies (not counting alternate universes or sea wessels). At least 11 existed if we assume all letters between E and J were used. We never saw the bridge of the Enterprise J, but the other 6 we did.


Thank you for a useful and informative post.  But this being fark, I hereby dub thee Serial_Wesley_Crusher.  But seriously, this is nothing new for the NSA.  They were doing what's best for the public, whether they like it or not since their inception.  James Bamford's The Puzzle Palace documents intelligence sharing agreements to bypass national restrictions going back for decades and that book was published in the 80's.

I'm sure NSA employs a lot of really, very smart people.  But if you're stick in an echo chamber all day where the only opinion you hear is your own, it can justify behavior that is simply inappropriate.  We need real oversight, not a toothless court that rubber stamps every request and doesn't sanction the NSA when even the few limitations they do have are routinely violated.
 
2013-09-14 03:23:12 PM

Drake Maijstral: At least I know where the line between fantasy and reality lies, unlike Gen. Alexander and the entirety of Congress.


The only reason these megalomaniacs can keep doing this sort of thing, is because we keep believing in the fantasy of their authority.
 
2013-09-14 03:27:10 PM

Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.


I agree. It should be from TNG.
 
2013-09-14 03:27:31 PM

serial_crusher: Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.

Um, there were 7 enterprises pictured in the shows/movies (not counting alternate universes or sea wessels). At least 11 existed if we assume all letters between E and J were used. We never saw the bridge of the Enterprise J, but the other 6 we did.


Nerd!

...I'm actually only mad cuz you beat me to it >_>
 
2013-09-14 03:39:10 PM
I guess all government work should be done in the basement of an old furniture store, a single 100 watt lightbulb hanging from a cord as employees huddle around a table made from an old door while sitting on upright orange crates.

http://helablog.com/2013/09/congress-plays-star-trek-replica-enterpri s e-bridge-used-to-sell-surveillance/

It doesn't look that bad.  I'm sure it cost a few bucks more than a cubicle farm, but it's not some insane extravagance that makes the director look mentally challenged.

Well, okay, maybe the "captains" chair does a little bit.
 
2013-09-14 03:40:39 PM
Let's try that link again, shall we?

http://helablog.com/2013/09/congress-plays-star-trek-replica-enterpri s e-bridge-used-to-sell-surveillance/
 
2013-09-14 03:41:53 PM
goddammit!  Just go find hela blog (one word) and scroll down.

 
2013-09-14 03:47:28 PM
What's the point in getting prestige and not getting a room but like the enterprise?
 
2013-09-14 03:50:01 PM
I am not feeling it.
www.giga.de

Too many liberties were taken.
 
2013-09-14 03:55:54 PM
... and now people are getting all butthurt about this. How quaint.

Folks, back when Roddenberry and Matt Jeffries were designing the show, they consulted with experts to design a bridge that actually *was* an efficient command and control center. While TOS was still on the air, the Navy studied the bridge set as a model for a communications center.

Old news, no call for outrage here.
 
2013-09-14 04:26:09 PM

serial_crusher: Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.

Um, there were 7 enterprises pictured in the shows/movies (not counting alternate universes or sea wessels). At least 11 existed if we assume all letters between E and J were used. We never saw the bridge of the Enterprise J, but the other 6 we did.


fark.  8 that we've seen, 7 whose bridges we saw.
NX-01. NCC-1701, NCC-1701-A, -B, -C, -D, -E, ... -J
I really want to pretend the NX-01 was the one I skipped in my earlier count, but alas, it was the NCC-1701.  I always want to start counting at A for some reason.
 
2013-09-14 04:34:59 PM

Enemabag Jones: PainfulItching
And the doors that go whoosh? Like you see at any grocery store?

I want my doors to make a nice klink, like a Klingon ship.


I want my doors to give a satisfied sigh, like on the Heart of Gold.
 
2013-09-14 04:44:07 PM
I'll take "Things you can do with tax money when no one is allowed to ask what you're doing with tax money" for $1000, Alex.
 
2013-09-14 04:45:41 PM

bmwericus: Nothing wrong with the idea - and actually it's a decent model for the job, provided it can be done with the limited bodies such space permits.

Think about Mission Control - the old one you see in Apollo 13 - that was something like 5% of the people actually working on the flight controlling - most of them did not sit in the hot seats, but were in myriad other places doing their jobs.  Only certain outputs were shown when their data was critical to the mission.

Probalby did not cost much more than the average war room so really, I'm not going to go with massive outrage, more admiration for his cleverness.


Yeah, I can't imagine that ANY war room design at that high a level is going to be cheap.  Having it look like the bridge of the enterprise - which I will point out allowed almost the entire main cast to perform simultaneously without getting in each other's way - maybe, MAYBE increased the cost by 10%.

Here's what I'm betting happened: the guy took a look at the projected cost for the war room, thought "shiat, I could build the bridge of the Enterprise for that kind of money" as a joke.  Then he started looking into it in a half-humorous kind of way, where he discovered that, yeah, it probably wouldn't really add much to the already large budget.  Hell, depending on when this was built it might have decreased the cost since he'd be using one or two Hollywood designers recreating an old design rather than some frou-frou weirdo new age jackass who would be paid out the ass to design a "one-of-a-kind post-modern meeting room" that winds up looking like every other meeting room BUT WITH MORE CURVES AND STUFF.
 
2013-09-14 04:51:04 PM
So, he's an asshole AND a dork?
 
2013-09-14 05:05:01 PM
Meh. I built out my bedroom as a starship stateroom. Easy peasy...
 
2013-09-14 05:28:30 PM

Treize26: Bslim: There are at least 4 different Enterprises with differnt bridge designs (without counting JJ Abrams's parody). Which supposed Enterprise bridge did he use? This article is useless.

Well, there's a pic from TNG, and a reference to people wanting to be "Jean-Luc Picard".  I think the writer assumed that from this evidence, someone would be able to figure it out.  Apparently he was wrong.


Too bad so much of the TNG moral code seems to have gotten lost in translation. Actually, all of the Star Trek series/movies have a moral code superior to that of our...

/Going back to my quarters.
 
2013-09-14 05:32:55 PM

mark12A: Meh. I built out my bedroom as a starship stateroom. Easy peasy...


Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2013-09-14 05:34:31 PM

Enemabag Jones: I am not feeling it.
[www.giga.de image 529x314]

Too many liberties were taken.


Agreed. Looks expensive and crude -- all of those seams and rivets look very pedestrian.
 
2013-09-14 05:42:28 PM
Um...so like, is this supposed to make us not want to hate the NSA or something?  What's the point of this article?
 
2013-09-14 06:01:44 PM
How quickly we forget the previous article about "trekkies" being pedophiles. Connection..?
 
2013-09-14 06:11:09 PM

buzzkill037: How quickly we forget the previous article about "trekkies" being pedophiles. Connection..?


Well, you collect that big of a chunk of internet traffic, you're bound to collect that stuff too.
 
2013-09-14 06:21:38 PM
In other news, lawmakers were in the NSA chief's bedroom.
 
2013-09-14 06:22:35 PM

lilbjorn: In other news, lawmakers were in the NSA chief's bedroom.


Seems fair. He's already been in theirs.
 
2013-09-14 06:53:38 PM
HighlanderRPI

"Sir, please stop referring to the President as 'Number Two' "

You can think of a more accurate term for that piece of sh_t?
 
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