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2013-09-14 12:41:03 PM  
Best MMQB article I've read.  I had all but given up on that site.
 
2013-09-14 01:12:06 PM  
So they glossed over the fact newsome ignored his "class" rule when selecting Lewis, he's always been a piece of shiat and that's why he fit in at Miami SL well.
 
2013-09-14 01:17:49 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Best MMQB article I've read.  I had all but given up on that site.


Importantly, not written by King. There is talent on that site, but its not at the top
 
2013-09-14 01:46:44 PM  
I still love Ozzie Newsome.

/Browns fan
 
2013-09-14 01:51:00 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-14 01:59:58 PM  

steamingpile: So they glossed over the fact newsome ignored his "class" rule when selecting Lewis, he's always been a piece of shiat and that's why he fit in at Miami SL well.


Which Lewis are you talking about? There are three important Ravens figures in that story named Lewis. Something tells me you're not talking about the only one ever convicted of a crime.

/and that crime was, I think, letting someone use his cell phone to move some coke. Someone think of the children.
 
2013-09-14 02:17:14 PM  
Something that Browns fans conveniently forget, when talking about how the Ravens stole their Super Bowls, that the article makes abundantly clear is that the Browns wouldn't have drafted Ogden and Lewis.  Belichick wouldn't have done it.  Ozzie, Marchibroda, and Marvin Lewis did.
 
2013-09-14 02:20:03 PM  

Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: So they glossed over the fact newsome ignored his "class" rule when selecting Lewis, he's always been a piece of shiat and that's why he fit in at Miami SL well.

Which Lewis are you talking about? There are three important Ravens figures in that story named Lewis. Something tells me you're not talking about the only one ever convicted of a crime.

/and that crime was, I think, letting someone use his cell phone to move some coke. Someone think of the children.


You mean like Ray "I'll get out of murder charges by testifying and taking a guilty plea to lesser charges" Lewis?

Ravens fans ignore he was a snitch(a bad one but a snitch) and he took a plea deal to get charges dropped.
 
2013-09-14 02:46:32 PM  

steamingpile: Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: So they glossed over the fact newsome ignored his "class" rule when selecting Lewis, he's always been a piece of shiat and that's why he fit in at Miami SL well.

Which Lewis are you talking about? There are three important Ravens figures in that story named Lewis. Something tells me you're not talking about the only one ever convicted of a crime.

/and that crime was, I think, letting someone use his cell phone to move some coke. Someone think of the children.

You mean like Ray "I'll get out of murder charges by testifying and taking a guilty plea to lesser charges" Lewis?

Ravens fans ignore he was a snitch(a bad one but a snitch) and he took a plea deal to get charges dropped.


Not exactly. Ravens fans (and anyone that ever actually looked at the facts surrounding the prosecution) understand that rather than risk imprisonment from a prosecutor that was hungry to put a high-profile celebrity behind bars, Ray Lewis took a plea to avoid any potential prison time. Of course he was willing to testify against his friends, because they were confident they weren't going to jail. The first violent act that night was one of the eventually-dead guys hitting one of Lewis' friends in the back of the head with an empty champagne bottle. That's attempted murder, or at the least, assault with a deadly weapon. And if you look at the result of the case, you'll see that the state of Georgia concurs that the two guys that died that night were the attackers, not the victims, and the two men on trial were found not guilty by the jury. Justifiable homicide. Self-defense.

In short: nobody was murdered that night. The State of Georgia says to. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts of the case, whether intentionally or unintentionally so.

I know it's fun to continue the myth that Ray Lewis and his friends decided, right at the apex of his career and the moment when he had the most to lose, to just kill some people in cold blood because, what, he's black, went to Miami, and that makes him a gangster I guess. But the truth is two wannabe tough guys jumped a crew of dudes and ended up dead for it. And the state ruled that it was a reasonable outcome.

I hope that if you and your friends ever get harassed and people try to kill you that you end up so lucky as to fight them off and live out the rest of your life.
 
2013-09-14 02:58:40 PM  
Waaaaah somebody insulted a football player that I like!!!
 
2013-09-14 03:06:54 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Not exactly. Ravens fans (and anyone that ever actually looked at the facts surrounding the prosecution) understand that rather than risk imprisonment from a prosecutor that was hungry to put a high-profile celebrity behind bars, Ray Lewis took a plea to avoid any potential prison time. Of course he was willing to testify against his friends, because they were confident they weren't going to jail. The first violent act that night was one of the eventually-dead guys hitting one of Lewis' friends in the back of the head with an empty champagne bottle. That's attempted murder, or at the least, assault with a deadly weapon. And if you look at the result of the case, you'll see that the state of Georgia concurs that the two guys that died that night were the attackers, not the victims, and the two men on trial were found not guilty by the jury. Justifiable homicide. Self-defense.

In short: nobody was murdered that night. The State of Georgia says to. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts of the case, whether intentionally or unintentionally so.

I know it's fun to continue the myth that Ray Lewis and his friends decided, right at the apex of his career and the moment when he had the most to lose, to just kill some people in cold blood because, what, he's black, went to Miami, and that makes him a gangster I guess. But the truth is two wannabe tough guys jumped a crew of dudes and ended up dead for it. And the state ruled that it was a reasonable outcome.

I hope that if you and your friends ever get harassed and people try to kill you that you end up so lucky as to fight them off and live out the rest of your life.


I don't think Ray Lewis killed anyone but your account of that evening is incredibly one-sided.  The altercation had already been going once and broken up before the champagne bottle incident happened.  It's well-documented that Lewis told everyone not to talk to anybody about the incident.  The white suit he was wearing that evening has never been found.  And he lied to the police, saying that he didn't know his two friends and that he wasn't at the scene of the incident.  That misdemeanor is the incident he eventually pled guilty to.  Again, by all accounts that evening he didn't kill anyone, but I find it incredible that Lewis' defenders try to portray this as a situation where Lewis was completely uninvolved when it's well-established that he was actively trying to destroy evidence and confound law enforcement's ability to get to the bottom of the incdent.

I'm not sure where you read that it was established that everything happened completely in self-defense.  The only thing I've ever read about this case is that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute anybody.  That's not the same thing.
 
2013-09-14 03:13:21 PM  
does the article include any mention of giving away anquan boldin?
 
2013-09-14 03:19:28 PM  

Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: So they glossed over the fact newsome ignored his "class" rule when selecting Lewis, he's always been a piece of shiat and that's why he fit in at Miami SL well.

Which Lewis are you talking about? There are three important Ravens figures in that story named Lewis. Something tells me you're not talking about the only one ever convicted of a crime.

/and that crime was, I think, letting someone use his cell phone to move some coke. Someone think of the children.

You mean like Ray "I'll get out of murder charges by testifying and taking a guilty plea to lesser charges" Lewis?

Ravens fans ignore he was a snitch(a bad one but a snitch) and he took a plea deal to get charges dropped.

Not exactly. Ravens fans (and anyone that ever actually looked at the facts surrounding the prosecution) understand that rather than risk imprisonment from a prosecutor that was hungry to put a high-profile celebrity behind bars, Ray Lewis took a plea to avoid any potential prison time. Of course he was willing to testify against his friends, because they were confident they weren't going to jail. The first violent act that night was one of the eventually-dead guys hitting one of Lewis' friends in the back of the head with an empty champagne bottle. That's attempted murder, or at the least, assault with a deadly weapon. And if you look at the result of the case, you'll see that the state of Georgia concurs that the two guys that died that night were the attackers, not the victims, and the two men on trial were found not guilty by the jury. Justifiable homicide. Self-defense.

In short: nobody was murdered that night. The State of Georgia says to. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts of the case, whether intentionally or unintentionally so.

I know it's fun to continue the myth that Ray Lewis and his friends decided, right at the apex of his career and the moment when he had the most to lose, to just kill some people in cold blood because, what, he's black, went to Miami, and that makes him a gangster I guess. But the truth is two wannabe tough guys jumped a crew of dudes and ended up dead for it. And the state ruled that it was a reasonable outcome.

I hope that if you and your friends ever get harassed and people try to kill you that you end up so lucky as to fight them off and live out the rest of your life.


Yes typical ravens fan response, no there was a murder and investigated as such for a while, after Lewis and his lawyer got done so many people changed their stories he was offered a deal and was such a bad witness the state couldn't get a straight answer and let a murder go unpunished.

Argue it all you want but Ray murdered a man that night, the evidence pointed towards him but when people started changing their accounts he was set free. The man paid off the family which is a huge admission of guilt and before you scream "they just came after him cause he's rich" the bar owner had more money that Ray ever dreamed of and was cited for inadequate security.

Ravens fans are always in denial, first a bit of irony, they stole a team from a better fan base because the city would rework the stadium deal so he left and is loved, while the colts left town for the same reason and are hated. Second, that Ray Lewis got away with murder, he's a scumbag and has been since he was in high school.
 
2013-09-14 03:22:12 PM  

balki1867: Scrotastic Method: Not exactly. Ravens fans (and anyone that ever actually looked at the facts surrounding the prosecution) understand that rather than risk imprisonment from a prosecutor that was hungry to put a high-profile celebrity behind bars, Ray Lewis took a plea to avoid any potential prison time. Of course he was willing to testify against his friends, because they were confident they weren't going to jail. The first violent act that night was one of the eventually-dead guys hitting one of Lewis' friends in the back of the head with an empty champagne bottle. That's attempted murder, or at the least, assault with a deadly weapon. And if you look at the result of the case, you'll see that the state of Georgia concurs that the two guys that died that night were the attackers, not the victims, and the two men on trial were found not guilty by the jury. Justifiable homicide. Self-defense.

In short: nobody was murdered that night. The State of Georgia says to. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts of the case, whether intentionally or unintentionally so.

I know it's fun to continue the myth that Ray Lewis and his friends decided, right at the apex of his career and the moment when he had the most to lose, to just kill some people in cold blood because, what, he's black, went to Miami, and that makes him a gangster I guess. But the truth is two wannabe tough guys jumped a crew of dudes and ended up dead for it. And the state ruled that it was a reasonable outcome.

I hope that if you and your friends ever get harassed and people try to kill you that you end up so lucky as to fight them off and live out the rest of your life.

I don't think Ray Lewis killed anyone but your account of that evening is incredibly one-sided.  The altercation had already been going once and broken up before the champagne bottle incident happened.  It's well-documented that Lewis told everyone not to talk to anybody about the incident.  The white suit he was wearing that evening has never been found.  And he lied to the police, saying that he didn't know his two friends and that he wasn't at the scene of the incident.  That misdemeanor is the incident he eventually pled guilty to.  Again, by all accounts that evening he didn't kill anyone, but I find it incredible that Lewis' defenders try to portray this as a situation where Lewis was completely uninvolved when it's well-established that he was actively trying to destroy evidence and confound law enforcement's ability to get to the bottom of the incdent.

I'm not sure where you read that it was established that everything happened completely in self-defense.  The only thing I've ever read about this case is that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute anybody.  That's not the same thing.


Yeah he, like every other ravens fan are delusional all because a scumbag helped them win, a murder did take place and he was the suspect, turned snitch, then paid off the family later.

Oh and the whole stealing a team from Cleveland.
 
2013-09-14 03:48:48 PM  
Oh for farks sake. Let it GO already.

This well-written piece is about Ozzie, not killer Ray (though he is part of it)

Take that other argument shiat someplace else.
 
2013-09-14 04:22:33 PM  

xaks: Oh for farks sake. Let it GO already.

This well-written piece is about Ozzie, not killer Ray (though he is part of it)

Take that other argument shiat someplace else.


Did you read it, they talked about drafting class individuals which was why they didn't take Lawrence Phillips, using the same logic Ray shouldn't have been taken.
 
2013-09-14 04:30:59 PM  

steamingpile: xaks: Oh for farks sake. Let it GO already.

This well-written piece is about Ozzie, not killer Ray (though he is part of it)

Take that other argument shiat someplace else.

Did you read it, they talked about drafting class individuals which was why they didn't take Lawrence Phillips, using the same logic Ray shouldn't have been taken.


Yes I did read it.

As I said, this is about Ozzie. Turns out, he was correct. That doesn't gloss over the incident that Ray was involved in. It simply means that Ozzie drafted the guy that should be a better addition to the team, and he was right. Phillips would have been a disaster pick in that place for them.

So, taking out the whole Ray-Ray did he/didn't he shiat, this is about Ozzie. Leave it at that. I appreciate your opinion of Lewis and what you think happened, and that's fine. But that isn't what this piece is about. Ray is named, yes, because he turned out to be one of the best middle linebackers in history. Again, a great pick by Ozzie.
 
2013-09-14 04:41:42 PM  
I was sure it would be about Rick Smith
 
2013-09-14 04:59:01 PM  

steamingpile: Did you read it, they talked about drafting class individuals which was why they didn't take Lawrence Phillips, using the same logic Ray shouldn't have been taken.


Have you looked at Lawrence Phillips arrest record?
 
2013-09-14 06:17:04 PM  
steamingpile: things that aren't facts ...

Read:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57565623/commentary-five-misconce p tions-about-ray-lewis-murder-trial/

Or:  http://www.policymic.com/articles/23665/did-ray-lewis-kill-someone-th e -definitive-account-of-the-case-that-s-confused-football-fans-for-over -a-decade

About lying to the police and destroying a suit...the cops aren't your friends. He had so much to lose, what would you have said? The best thing you can ever do is shut the hell up and let your lawyer do the talking, sure, and he didn't do that, but when people die in a fight that by all accounts he wasn't involved in, lying and saying you were nowhere near the act isn't a reaction that's hard to understand.
 
2013-09-14 06:17:54 PM  

MugzyBrown: Waaaaah somebody insulted a football player that I like!!!


No, more like, "holy shiat, people still treat lies as facts when all this info is well established?"
 
2013-09-14 06:58:37 PM  

xaks: steamingpile: xaks: Oh for farks sake. Let it GO already.

This well-written piece is about Ozzie, not killer Ray (though he is part of it)

Take that other argument shiat someplace else.

Did you read it, they talked about drafting class individuals which was why they didn't take Lawrence Phillips, using the same logic Ray shouldn't have been taken.

Yes I did read it.

As I said, this is about Ozzie. Turns out, he was correct. That doesn't gloss over the incident that Ray was involved in. It simply means that Ozzie drafted the guy that should be a better addition to the team, and he was right. Phillips would have been a disaster pick in that place for them.

So, taking out the whole Ray-Ray did he/didn't he shiat, this is about Ozzie. Leave it at that. I appreciate your opinion of Lewis and what you think happened, and that's fine. But that isn't what this piece is about. Ray is named, yes, because he turned out to be one of the best middle linebackers in history. Again, a great pick by Ozzie.


Jesus christ peoples, unclinch your buttholes already.

FTFA:

"If we take Phillips, you will never be able to put your head on a pillow at night and be certain of what he's up to," Savage said. "If we take the other guy [Ogden], not only is he an awesome player, but you will never have that concern. Class act all the way."

It isnt about what the guy's up to, it's about whether Ravens personnel would have to worry about whether he'd be available to make plays on Sunday.  Clearly, they knew Ray would be able to cover his tracks and show up on Sunday.
 
2013-09-14 07:40:33 PM  

Scrotastic Method: No, more like, "holy shiat, people still treat lies as facts when all this info is well established?"


The Sports tab is a lot more fun when you ignore the trolls.

/Good article is good.
 
2013-09-14 07:59:26 PM  

Well damn, I was sure that was going to be an article about Jeff Ireland getting raped by a dolphin and run over by a speed boat.


Fark the Ravens.
 
2013-09-14 08:14:18 PM  
Newsome is a great GM. They have had great drafts under his stewardship and make smart moves in free agency. Which, not surprisingly, explains why the Ravens are always contenders while other teams cycle from contending to sucking and back every couple years.

The only thing I can say against the man is he GMs a team in the Steelers division which really pisses me off. I kinda wish we had three awful management teams in the division instead of just Cleveland and Cincinnati. It would be easier to win the North every year.

/though Cinncy has really been drafting well lately, did they get a new GM recently?
//respect to Ozzie, even though I hope his team never wins another game against the Steelers
 
2013-09-14 09:00:11 PM  
js34603:
//respect to Ozzie, even though I hope his team never wins another game against the Steelers

In appreciation: it does kinda stink that PIT seems to be struggling. We like the rivalry a lot better when everyone's at full strength. Please come back strong -- we miss the war, and I really don't want to have to start getting hyped for CIN. Good luck man.
 
2013-09-14 09:11:09 PM  
Oh, it's about the Ravens?

I need to read no more.
Fark the Ravens.
 
2013-09-14 09:17:29 PM  

xaks: steamingpile: xaks: Oh for farks sake. Let it GO already.

This well-written piece is about Ozzie, not killer Ray (though he is part of it)

Take that other argument shiat someplace else.

Did you read it, they talked about drafting class individuals which was why they didn't take Lawrence Phillips, using the same logic Ray shouldn't have been taken.

Yes I did read it.

As I said, this is about Ozzie. Turns out, he was correct. That doesn't gloss over the incident that Ray was involved in. It simply means that Ozzie drafted the guy that should be a better addition to the team, and he was right. Phillips would have been a disaster pick in that place for them.

So, taking out the whole Ray-Ray did he/didn't he shiat, this is about Ozzie. Leave it at that. I appreciate your opinion of Lewis and what you think happened, and that's fine. But that isn't what this piece is about. Ray is named, yes, because he turned out to be one of the best middle linebackers in history. Again, a great pick by Ozzie.


So ignoring the whole article was about using class as a determining factor when picking players goes out the window if he's great? If Ogden had sucked and Phillips been trouble but more talented would that have made it worse?
 
2013-09-14 09:52:23 PM  
Obviously op is a ravens fan
 
2013-09-14 10:05:25 PM  

Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: things that aren't facts ...

Read:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57565623/commentary-five-misconce p tions-about-ray-lewis-murder-trial/

Or:  http://www.policymic.com/articles/23665/did-ray-lewis-kill-someone-th e -definitive-account-of-the-case-that-s-confused-football-fans-for-over -a-decade

About lying to the police and destroying a suit...the cops aren't your friends. He had so much to lose, what would you have said? The best thing you can ever do is shut the hell up and let your lawyer do the talking, sure, and he didn't do that, but when people die in a fight that by all accounts he wasn't involved in, lying and saying you were nowhere near the act isn't a reaction that's hard to understand.


Its that he told people to lie about the case, then paid off a limo driver about ditching his clothes, then had other people change their stories, then he turned states evidence to get charges dropped(at his lawyers advice), then testified so badly his friends never could have gotten convicted. As years go on actual incidents become fuzzy, one he was involved in a murder, two he did get charged and had to pay a million dollar bail, three nobody was ever convicted, four he paid off the victims a huge settlement but they can never speak of the case or settlement.

Ray is a murderer but ravens fans ignore that as long as he was winning.
 
2013-09-14 10:09:09 PM  
Damn, I was hoping it was Jerry Jones's obit.
 
2013-09-14 10:14:05 PM  
steamingpile still completely ignoring facts to spew more bullsh*t? Yup, it's a Fark thread.
 
2013-09-14 10:22:27 PM  

steamingpile: Scrotastic Method: steamingpile: things that aren't facts ...

Read:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57565623/commentary-five-misconce p tions-about-ray-lewis-murder-trial/

Or:  http://www.policymic.com/articles/23665/did-ray-lewis-kill-someone-th e -definitive-account-of-the-case-that-s-confused-football-fans-for-over -a-decade

About lying to the police and destroying a suit...the cops aren't your friends. He had so much to lose, what would you have said? The best thing you can ever do is shut the hell up and let your lawyer do the talking, sure, and he didn't do that, but when people die in a fight that by all accounts he wasn't involved in, lying and saying you were nowhere near the act isn't a reaction that's hard to understand.

Its that he told people to lie about the case, then paid off a limo driver about ditching his clothes, then had other people change their stories, then he turned states evidence to get charges dropped(at his lawyers advice), then testified so badly his friends never could have gotten convicted. As years go on actual incidents become fuzzy, one he was involved in a murder, two he did get charged and had to pay a million dollar bail, three nobody was ever convicted, four he paid off the victims a huge settlement but they can never speak of the case or settlement.

Ray is a murderer but ravens fans ignore that as long as he was winning.


Where you there the night it happened as an eye witness?
 
2013-09-14 10:53:21 PM  

Scrotastic Method: js34603:
//respect to Ozzie, even though I hope his team never wins another game against the Steelers

In appreciation: it does kinda stink that PIT seems to be struggling. We like the rivalry a lot better when everyone's at full strength. Please come back strong -- we miss the war, and I really don't want to have to start getting hyped for CIN. Good luck man.


It was going to be a "rebuild" year for them anyway, but they've been drafting pretty well lately so
I think they have another run with Ben in them.

With Pouncey out it could be a top five draft pick kinda year, and that could be good for the rebuilding effort.

/yes already looking forward to the draft after the first week of the season
//this must be what it's like to be a Browns fan
 
2013-09-14 11:27:23 PM  

Scrotastic Method: About lying to the police and destroying a suit...the cops aren't your friends. He had so much to lose, what would you have said? The best thing you can ever do is shut the hell up and let your lawyer do the talking, sure, and he didn't do that, but when people die in a fight that by all accounts he wasn't involved in, lying and saying you were nowhere near the act isn't a reaction that's hard to understand.


Well.. when people put you at the scene of a fight and you deny it, but then rely on many of those same accounts to belie the fact that you totally weren't involved, your credibility gets shot just a little.  And then aside from all of that, it's found out that you were directing the destruction of evidence in the aforementioned altercation-- that only makes the situation worse.

In the grand scheme of things, it's an absolute joke that anyone thinks Ray Lewis was some sort of victim that night.
 
2013-09-15 04:55:03 AM  

apacheco: Obviously op is a ravens fan


or Browns
or Alabama
or a fan of decent individuals.

Any of the above really.

Every once in a while a sport story is about more than just the team the person currently works for, but it appears that a few people don't actually realize that.
 
2013-09-15 08:22:27 AM  

degenerate-afro: apacheco: Obviously op is a ravens fan

or Browns
or Alabama
or a fan of decent individuals.

Any of the above really.

Every once in a while a sport story is about more than just the team the person currently works for, but it appears that a few people don't actually realize that.


I didn't realize this was supposed to be a srs conversation? How long have smug fark users been around
 
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