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(BBC)   The UK's Labour party seeking to eliminate the Bedroom Tax, but its lips are sealed on the Backseat Tax, Kitchen Table Tariff, Hotel Levy, Hot Tub Charge, or Your Mum User's Fee   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 22
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2013-09-14 11:48:35 AM
If it's Will's mum, then on with the user fee...

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2013-09-14 12:29:52 PM
I thought it was just a joke about taxing "thingy"?
 
2013-09-14 01:18:56 PM
Not having heard of the "bedroom tax" I did some research. What it is is that people who are deemed to have a "spare bedroom" can have their housing subsidy reduced. So in the UK, if they don't fork over as much subsidy money to you as they formerly did, that's now a "tax" to some people. That mindset must be what you get when your welfare state goes on long enough.

Incidentally, here's what you get when government starts paying for your upkeep. This is how many bedrooms you're entitled to in subsidized housing:

The size criteria in the social rented sector will restrict housing benefit to allow for one bedroom for each person or couple living as part of the household, with the following exceptions:

Two children under 16 of same gender expected to share

Two children under 10 expected to share regardless of gender

Disabled tenant or partner who needs non-resident overnight carer will be allowed an extra bedroom

Approved foster carers will be allowed an additional room so long as they have fostered a child, or become an approved foster carer in the last 12 months.

Adult children in the Armed Forces will be treated as continuing to live at home when deployed on operations.

In addition, local councils have been advised to allow an extra bedroom for children who are unable to share because of their severe disabilities.
 
2013-09-14 01:24:50 PM

jjorsett: Not having heard of the "bedroom tax" I did some research. What it is is that people who are deemed to have a "spare bedroom" can have their housing subsidy reduced. So in the UK, if they don't fork over as much subsidy money to you as they formerly did, that's now a "tax" to some people. That mindset must be what you get when your welfare state goes on long enough.

Incidentally, here's what you get when government starts paying for your upkeep. This is how many bedrooms you're entitled to in subsidized housing:

The size criteria in the social rented sector will restrict housing benefit to allow for one bedroom for each person or couple living as part of the household, with the following exceptions:

Two children under 16 of same gender expected to share

Two children under 10 expected to share regardless of gender

Disabled tenant or partner who needs non-resident overnight carer will be allowed an extra bedroom

Approved foster carers will be allowed an additional room so long as they have fostered a child, or become an approved foster carer in the last 12 months.

Adult children in the Armed Forces will be treated as continuing to live at home when deployed on operations.

In addition, local councils have been advised to allow an extra bedroom for children who are unable to share because of their severe disabilities.


OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?
 
2013-09-14 01:26:23 PM
CSB time!

When I was in Dublin; I went on the 1913 Easter rising tour.

One of the big things that was actually a large factor in the incident was a widow tax. Apparently; when most of the buildings, that had been built at that time, they had very few windows. The reason? There was a window tax. Basically, the revolutionaries walked into the post office and said, "we've formed a republic". The Brits shelled the post office so much that only the entrance pillars were left.

It was a pretty neat tour; plus, we got to see a lot of the sites.
 
2013-09-14 01:44:48 PM
I would tax Raquel Welch ...

... and have a feeling she would tax me.
 
2013-09-14 01:47:08 PM

iheartscotch: One of the big things that was actually a large factor in the incident was a widow tax. Apparently; when most of the buildings, that had been built at that time, they had very few windows. The reason? There was a window tax. Basically, the revolutionaries walked into the post office and said, "we've formed a republic". The Brits shelled the post office so much that only the entrance pillars were left.


Shouldn't you finish one thought before moving on to another because the cows came in the barn and all hell broke loose!
 
2013-09-14 01:55:58 PM

Quackadam: iheartscotch: One of the big things that was actually a large factor in the incident was a widow tax. Apparently; when most of the buildings, that had been built at that time, they had very few windows. The reason? There was a window tax. Basically, the revolutionaries walked into the post office and said, "we've formed a republic". The Brits shelled the post office so much that only the entrance pillars were left.

Shouldn't you finish one thought before moving on to another because the cows came in the barn and all hell broke loose!


Sorry, I need moar coffee.

Anyway, I should probably explain why the Brits shelled the post office all to hell.

The revolutionaries decided to hold up in the post office. The reasons being; Dublin castle was occupied by 200-300 British troops; the Irish parliament was out, because it didn't have any widows thanks to the widow tax. They tried to take Trinity College, but, it was held by protestant loyalists during the incident.

/ all in all; it really didn't work out for the revolutionaries. But; it did lead, eventually, to Irish independence.
 
2013-09-14 02:07:10 PM
Would loved to have unsealed her lips back in the 80s.  Not so much now - bad plastic surgery et cetera.

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2013-09-14 02:27:30 PM

meat0918: I thought it was just a joke about taxing "thingy"?


POO-POOS?
 
2013-09-14 02:28:46 PM

Roshamon: I would tax Raquel Welch ...

... and have a feeling she would tax me.




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"I would put a tax on all people who stand in water."

 
2013-09-14 03:36:57 PM
Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.
 
2013-09-14 04:06:36 PM
wot the fok did ye just say 2 me m8?il bash ye fookin ead in i sware on me mum
 
2013-09-14 06:37:04 PM
No back door tax?
 
2013-09-14 08:07:29 PM

Mayhem_2006: Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.


So, I don't get it. Is this "cutting" a reduction in a housing benefit that is to be used to procure housing or is it a reduction in some other benefit that has nothing to do with housing and that is how it gets called a tax?
 
2013-09-15 05:58:21 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Mayhem_2006: Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.

So, I don't get it. Is this "cutting" a reduction in a housing benefit that is to be used to procure housing or is it a reduction in some other benefit that has nothing to do with housing and that is how it gets called a tax?


They call it a tax because calling it a tax is a good way to create public outrage.
 
2013-09-15 08:23:38 AM

DerAppie: Benjimin_Dover: Mayhem_2006: Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.

So, I don't get it. Is this "cutting" a reduction in a housing benefit that is to be used to procure housing or is it a reduction in some other benefit that has nothing to do with housing and that is how it gets called a tax?

They call it a tax because calling it a tax is a good way to create public outrage.


True.

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2013-09-15 10:47:03 AM

DerAppie: Benjimin_Dover: Mayhem_2006: Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.

So, I don't get it. Is this "cutting" a reduction in a housing benefit that is to be used to procure housing or is it a reduction in some other benefit that has nothing to do with housing and that is how it gets called a tax?

They call it a tax because calling it a tax is a good way to create public outrage.


Yeah. I'm not too outraged. It sounds like these people were being given BxR in benefits with B being the benefit amount and R being the number or rooms. Now, they want to change it to BxP with P being the number of people in the family. Sounds reasonable to me. If I give you $100 a head to go rent someplace to live and you have three people, you get $300. If you want to put that towards a 5 bedroom place, that's your business but don't come back to me about how I need to give you $200 more and if I don't, then it's the same as taking $200 from you.
 
2013-09-15 12:24:14 PM

Benjimin_Dover: jjorsett: Not having heard of the "bedroom tax" I did some research. What it is is that people who are deemed to have a "spare bedroom" can have their housing subsidy reduced. So in the UK, if they don't fork over as much subsidy money to you as they formerly did, that's now a "tax" to some people. That mindset must be what you get when your welfare state goes on long enough.

Incidentally, here's what you get when government starts paying for your upkeep. This is how many bedrooms you're entitled to in subsidized housing:

The size criteria in the social rented sector will restrict housing benefit to allow for one bedroom for each person or couple living as part of the household, with the following exceptions:

Two children under 16 of same gender expected to share

Two children under 10 expected to share regardless of gender

Disabled tenant or partner who needs non-resident overnight carer will be allowed an extra bedroom

Approved foster carers will be allowed an additional room so long as they have fostered a child, or become an approved foster carer in the last 12 months.

Adult children in the Armed Forces will be treated as continuing to live at home when deployed on operations.

In addition, local councils have been advised to allow an extra bedroom for children who are unable to share because of their severe disabilities.

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?


Maybe you're okay with bureaucrats and politicians telling you what you "need," and making sure that's all that you get, but some of us have a problem with putting others in charge of every aspect of our lives.
 
2013-09-15 01:02:20 PM

Benjimin_Dover: DerAppie: Benjimin_Dover: Mayhem_2006: Benjimin_Dover:

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

The reason this reduction is much reviled is that it is being taken from vulnerable people for living in community housing that is deemed "too large" for them - when there is no smaller community housing available.  So, these folks, already struggling, are suddenly having their income cut for reasons that are utterly out of their power to change.  Most of them would probably prefer to downsize rather than lose much needed income, but there is literally nowhere else for them to go.  Except, I guess, the streets.

So, I don't get it. Is this "cutting" a reduction in a housing benefit that is to be used to procure housing or is it a reduction in some other benefit that has nothing to do with housing and that is how it gets called a tax?

They call it a tax because calling it a tax is a good way to create public outrage.

Yeah. I'm not too outraged. It sounds like these people were being given BxR in benefits with B being the benefit amount and R being the number or rooms. Now, they want to change it to BxP with P being the number of people in the family. Sounds reasonable to me. If I give you $100 a head to go rent someplace to live and you have three people, you get $300. If you want to put that towards a 5 bedroom place, that's your business but don't come back to me about how I need to give you $200 more and if I don't, then it's the same as taking $200 from you.


That would be true for new cases. The way I read the article they are planning to apply it across the board. This would mean that people who had been living in a house for years suddenly get less money to pay for rent because the government decided that the children should be able to share a room. Another piece of insanity is that children up to 10 are supposed to share but after that, depending on the gender, they are allowed separate rooms. What is the family to do? Keep shopping around for houses that fit the bill? Just institute a flat amount based on an interaction between family income and the amount of rent owed. None of this spare bedroom bullshiat.
 
2013-09-15 03:28:18 PM

jjorsett: Benjimin_Dover: jjorsett: Not having heard of the "bedroom tax" I did some research. What it is is that people who are deemed to have a "spare bedroom" can have their housing subsidy reduced. So in the UK, if they don't fork over as much subsidy money to you as they formerly did, that's now a "tax" to some people. That mindset must be what you get when your welfare state goes on long enough.

Incidentally, here's what you get when government starts paying for your upkeep. This is how many bedrooms you're entitled to in subsidized housing:

The size criteria in the social rented sector will restrict housing benefit to allow for one bedroom for each person or couple living as part of the household, with the following exceptions:

Two children under 16 of same gender expected to share

Two children under 10 expected to share regardless of gender

Disabled tenant or partner who needs non-resident overnight carer will be allowed an extra bedroom

Approved foster carers will be allowed an additional room so long as they have fostered a child, or become an approved foster carer in the last 12 months.

Adult children in the Armed Forces will be treated as continuing to live at home when deployed on operations.

In addition, local councils have been advised to allow an extra bedroom for children who are unable to share because of their severe disabilities.

OMG! The horror that people only get to have one bedroom each. What is the world coming to?

Maybe you're okay with bureaucrats and politicians telling you what you "need," and making sure that's all that you get, but some of us have a problem with putting others in charge of every aspect of our lives.


There is a difference between telling somebody what they need and paying for what they want. If you determine for yourself that you "need" two bedrooms for every person in the house then you are free to rent a place like that with your money. You are even free to take your money and pool it together with the money that taxpayers graciously give you to get a place like that. But don't expect others to give you more than what is given others because of your "need" for two bedrooms a piece.

I have a "need" for two bedrooms for myself. One to use as my office. I ask nobody else to supply it to me. When I made less, I still had the need. But guess what. It went unsatisfied and my desk and computer were in the living room until I could afford more place. Nobody ever heard me crying that I needed to find some charitable people to give me money so I could get it. If I ever get to the point where I had to get assistance, I can guarantee nobody will ever here me biatch at the people giving me that assistance that they aren't doing enough. I'll be thankful for it and do what I could to get off it as soon as possible.
 
2013-09-15 07:24:50 PM

jjorsett: Maybe you're okay with bureaucrats and politicians telling you what you "need," and making sure that's all that you get, but some of us have a problem with putting others in charge of every aspect of our lives.


They're only telling you what they are going to pay for when you go to them asking for money. These people are quite literally asking the government to get involved in their life. Don't want big bad government telling you what to do? Simple. Don't ask big government to pay for stuff. Go and get a job and pay for it yourself! Then you can have as many bedroom as you want.
 
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