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(CNN)   California school district hires firm to monitor middle & high school students' social media posts   (cnn.com) divider line 78
    More: Scary, California, high schools, school districts, Chris Frydrych, Hermosa Beach, Studebaker, truancy, consumer rights  
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2013-09-14 04:34:03 PM  
Don't worry folks, this will just be temporary until this generation gets to college.  Then we need to add monitors for college.  Then when they enter the workforce, they'll need some monitoring there, you know, just in case.
Once they're in the work force in general monitoring there own posts is pretty useless unless you monitor their older workers and family members social media too, you know, to see what they're agreeing with or "liking".
Some of the stuff they "like" could be real dangerous like, Al Qaeda or worse The Tea Party or the NRA or any position  or opinion not officially declared "OK" by our new thought police.
 
2013-09-14 04:53:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: digitalrain: Any constitutional law buffs out there want to weigh in? Isn't this an invasion of privacy? Or do they get a pass because the
posts are already public?

If it's open and accessible to the public, then it's open season for them to read it. Now if you set your privacy to not show anything, I don't believe they can force you to show your page or accept a friend request from the Facebook Hall Monitors.


Yep, and so long as this is where it stops I'm okay with it.  If you want your Facebook posts to be private then you should mark your profile as private.  If you do, then all contact should be treated like a phone call: private, and not to be snooped on without a warrant of some kind.

The inverse of this though is that if you DON'T mark it as private then you're doing the internet equivalent of shouting things to your friend across an open, crowded room.  I wouldn't have a problem if a teacher happened to be in that crowd when Jackass A shouted "hey bro, I totally stole the answers for the test next week" to Jackass B, even if said teacher came there all the time specifically to overhear student conversations.  It's a public place, you should expect that someone might overhear what you say.  If you say something dumb like that where you know an authority figure could hear it... well you deserve to get caught.
 
2013-09-14 05:22:50 PM  
You can stop now libs, you've won. You can't pussify this country any more. At this point it's no longer destructive, it's just a waste if time and money
 
2013-09-14 05:46:39 PM  

skinink: It's a nice way to to find out which male students have slept with that hot English teacher.


It's the only way to find out who to get give the "luckiest boy in the world" award to.  NICE...
 
2013-09-14 05:55:50 PM  
I'll be blunt; this idea makes me see red. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

BRB, knock at the door...
 
2013-09-14 05:58:57 PM  

digitalrain: Not sure how I feel on this one.

On the one hand, it's about time *someone* gives enough of a damn about these kids to wonder  whatthey are up to.

On the other hand, what students (and teachers for that matter) do and say away from school should  be their own business.

Any constitutional law buffs out there want to weigh in? Isn't this an invasion of privacy? Or do they get a pass because the
posts are already public?

Why aren't the parents keeping tabs on what their kids are doing / saying online? You know, PARENTING????


Legality doesn't even enter into this discussion, the data the firm is patrolling is posted PUBLICALLY on social media. If you don't want someone reading your stuff or 'spying' on you, don't POST IT IN A PUBLIC PLACE,or make it private.
 
2013-09-14 06:05:34 PM  
That sounds like a wonderful idea.  Lets get people with no context to judge others by the content of their online posts and then ruin their lives with force.  Anybody that disagrees with this is a terrorist, a racist and a homophobe.  I bet you're a pedophile too.  Yeah, you just oppose it because you don't want anybody to monitor your child enticement ways.  I'm on to you asshole.  Consequences will never be the same.
 
2013-09-14 06:16:26 PM  

jumac: my oldest just got his own facebook  account.  Everything he post has to be ok by ether me or his mother(depending on who's house hes at when he dose the post).


Your oldest has another facebook account that you don't know about.
 
2013-09-14 06:35:30 PM  

digitalrain: Not sure how I feel on this one.

On the one hand, it's about time *someone* gives enough of a damn about these kids to wonder  whatthey are up to.

On the other hand, what students (and teachers for that matter) do and say away from school should  be their own business.

Any constitutional law buffs out there want to weigh in? Isn't this an invasion of privacy? Or do they get a pass because the
posts are already public?

Why aren't the parents keeping tabs on what their kids are doing / saying online? You know, PARENTING????


Right up to the point where they are bullying kids in school and threatening violence.
Turns out your freedom of speech is not universal.
PLUS, kids have close to zero rights. Their parents own them.
 
2013-09-14 06:42:40 PM  
They should all just post about banging the hot social media monitor.
 
2013-09-14 06:55:51 PM  
God helo us, they'll try everything under the Sun except teaching Character ...
 
2013-09-14 06:56:26 PM  
God help us, they'll try everything under the Sun except teaching Character ...
 
2013-09-14 07:02:37 PM  

Oblio13: Apparently I need to be educated as well. What are the "dangers" of posting pics of a fake gun? Or a real gun? I need to know soon, deer season is right around the corner. I don't want an "inquiry", let alone "discipline".


post a picture of a gun
caption it with something like
"I AM GOING HUNTING at Reagan High School"

Someone will be right by to help educate you.
 
2013-09-14 07:10:09 PM  

namegoeshere: I'll be blunt; this idea makes me see red. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

BRB, knock at the door...


why?
there is nothing illegal, nor questionable about people looking at public data.
If crotch spawn are so stupid that they will post illegal and immoral activity on FB, and they get caught, GOOD.
 
2013-09-14 07:31:21 PM  
FTFA:  "Honestly, we're not spying on kids. Can we focus back on the problem: The problem is we're not listening effectively," Frydrych said.

No, you ARE spying on kids.  That's exactly what you're doing.  That's the whole point of whole point of what you're doing.  How is that even deniable?

I can't really see this as a privacy issue, since it's public information they're monitoring.  What bothers me is that they're using public funds to pay someone to spy on their students.  Especially when the article says that they have reduced mental health services in the schools.

"So, we have this $40,500 we can spend.  Think we should try to bring the mental health services back up so we can help some of the kids with problems?"

"Naw, let's use it to spy on their Facebook comments instead."

Nice decision making skills you've got there, administrators.
 
2013-09-14 07:37:25 PM  

namatad: namegoeshere: I'll be blunt; this idea makes me see red. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

BRB, knock at the door...

why?
there is nothing illegal, nor questionable about people looking at public data.
If crotch spawn are so stupid that they will post illegal and immoral activity on FB, and they get caught, GOOD.


Better?
 
2013-09-14 09:09:42 PM  
1. Post things on the web.
2. biatch when people see them.
3. ???
4. Profit!

/If you don't want it seen, don't post it. Duh.
 
2013-09-14 09:14:06 PM  
Parents biatch an moan about bullying, then biatch and moan some more when the school is forced to do the monitoring they won't.
 
2013-09-14 09:21:44 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: That sounds like a wonderful idea.  Lets get people with no context to judge others by the content of their online posts and then ruin their lives with force.  Anybody that disagrees with this is a terrorist, a racist and a homophobe.  I bet you're a pedophile too.  Yeah, you just oppose it because you don't want anybody to monitor your child enticement ways.  I'm on to you asshole.  Consequences will never be the same.


Wow, I've never seen such a slippery slope. More like a greased cliff, really. Well done!
 
2013-09-14 09:25:45 PM  
Little Bobby Tables is going to have a LOT of social media activity
 
2013-09-14 10:09:51 PM  

Gdalescrboz: You can stop now libs, you've won. You can't pussify this country any more. At this point it's no longer destructive, it's just a waste if time and money


[shrug]

Think that if you like, but it's got nothing to do with libs or conservitards, really. It's hovering helicopter parents who want to protect their darling snowflakes from the harshness of life; but refuse to do so by actually, you know, stopping them from vomiting their lives all over Facebook, or disciplining their bullying brats (because it's never MY darling who is being a bully, he/she was forced into it by all those OTHER horrible little monsters), or taking time to discover why Junior or Sissy cries for half an hour every morning before school but says "nothing" when they ask what's wrong.

So the school has to step in somehow; but they've got less than zero clue about how to interact with kids when those same parents screech "LAWSUIT" whenever a teacher tries to actually suspend a bully, or restrict computer access at schools, or do anything that might actually address the problem. And those same schools get blasted whenever a weapon shows up at school--but by the same token it's never MY sweet innocent child who had a gun/knife/bomb/wolverine, and if he did, why didn't you suspend those OTHER kids with their guns/knives/bombs/wolverines, and why does it matter that that was a drawing of a wolverine?!?

This is not a libby-lib or retardicon problem. It is an ossification of a lawsuit-driven zero-tolerance policy that has finally hardened to the point of absurdity.
 
2013-09-14 10:16:14 PM  
Aside from the truancy, why would the schools appoint themselves the worriers about all this other crap? Don't we have other taxpayer funded organizations to worry about stuff like drug use, for instance? I believe they're called the police.

Just another stupid wast of money.
 
2013-09-14 10:43:48 PM  

qorkfiend: digitalrain: Any constitutional law buffs out there want to weigh in? Isn't this an invasion of privacy? Or do they get a pass because the
posts are already public?

Probably the latter; I think the school monitoring out-of-school communications by students or punishing them for actions that occur off school grounds and outside school time is really dodgy, but I don't think there's any constitutional problems because (as you say) it's all public anyway.


Back in the late 80s, I was suspended from extracurricular activities (band, yes I was a band geek) for smoking a cigarette while playing pool in a bar on a Saturday night.  One of the teachers was in there having a drink and she saw me and reported me on Monday.  They couldn't suspend me from actual school, but I was suspended for 3 months from being able to participate in any band activities.

/CSB
 
2013-09-14 11:05:32 PM  
I used to think that being a bill collector would have to be one of the most soul-sucking, shiatty jobs out there.
And now, a challenger appears.
 
2013-09-15 06:04:23 AM  

Kahabut: How I feel about this comes down to three things.
1)What happens when your profile is private?


Then they can only look at the things your friends repost/share/like(?). The school can't actually force the children to add anyone to their facebook friends list. But stupid kids being stupid kids, there will be hundreds in every school who see a friend request from some "Jennifer" and will click accept.
 
2013-09-15 12:37:40 PM  
So when the kids switch the sharing web site they are using to something else, then what?
 
2013-09-15 03:47:30 PM  

DerAppie: Kahabut: How I feel about this comes down to three things.
1)What happens when your profile is private?

Then they can only look at the things your friends repost/share/like(?). The school can't actually force the children to add anyone to their facebook friends list. But stupid kids being stupid kids, there will be hundreds in every school who see a friend request from some "Jennifer" and will click accept.


Well, hypothetically, the school could force you to add someone, or divulge your log in details.

I've seen employers ask for that same information, and expect it.

The world is changing, and just because you hold that EULA as sacred doesn't mean anyone else does.
 
2013-09-15 04:05:37 PM  

Kahabut: DerAppie: Kahabut: How I feel about this comes down to three things.
1)What happens when your profile is private?

Then they can only look at the things your friends repost/share/like(?). The school can't actually force the children to add anyone to their facebook friends list. But stupid kids being stupid kids, there will be hundreds in every school who see a friend request from some "Jennifer" and will click accept.

Well, hypothetically, the school could force you to add someone, or divulge your log in details.

I've seen employers ask for that same information, and expect it.

The world is changing, and just because you hold that EULA as sacred doesn't mean anyone else does.


I know that some states in the US have made it illegal to request that kind of information. I know my government did. So they could ask, and I could refuse. They could then refuse to hire me, but that is not a piece of leverage schools have. If I understand the US system correctly children are pretty much assigned a school in the neighbourhood, so there isn't really any position for schools to deny entry.
 
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